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Mansewerz
04-02-2010, 09:20 PM
He just randomly hits his leg, once with a towel. What exactly happened? Or was it all frustration?

OddJack
04-02-2010, 09:36 PM
Is there a vid of this already?

namelessone
04-02-2010, 09:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJnYfz6tSuo

Go to 5:25 to see Nadal angry.

OddJack
04-02-2010, 09:41 PM
Here it is at 5:30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJnYfz6tSuo&feature=player_embedded

OddJack
04-02-2010, 09:44 PM
Miami does that for some reason. Rodge smashed his Racket Rafa hit his knee



Poor ball boy goes back one step, scared.


What happened was frustration, what else? It has been too long since he won a title, he wanted it really bad, with his uncle looking on.

Rodge was able to come back from his mental break down. Can Nadal do the same?

We will know soon, it is clay season after all.

bertrevert
04-02-2010, 09:53 PM
Seems to me he was p'd off about the way the match was going, he wasn't gesturing to his opponent, but rather looking across the court from where he was seated to prob his team, Uncle T et al?

OddJack
04-02-2010, 10:02 PM
^^^ Or could it be he is hitting his knee because it's what is failing him?
Maybe he was in pain, couldnt move the way he wanted to because of injury.

namelessone
04-02-2010, 10:04 PM
Miami does that for some reason. Rodge smashed his Racket Rafa hit his knee



Poor ball boy goes back one step, scared.


What happened was frustration, what else? It has been too long since he won a title, he wanted it really bad, with his uncle looking on.

Rodge was able to come back from his mental break down. Can Nadal do the same?

We will know soon, it is clay season after all.

I did not see Tony at this tourney or at least they did not show him.

OddJack
04-02-2010, 10:10 PM
I did not see Tony at this tourney or at least they did not show him.

You are right, Toni was not there, it was actually Sebastian, his father.

namelessone
04-02-2010, 10:38 PM
^^^ Or could it be he is hitting his knee because it's what is failing him?
Maybe he was in pain, couldnt move the way he wanted to because of injury.

I don't think so,he moved fine,it is just that he looked as flat as andy's forehand in the third set and he was all like "come on,why the hell are you losing like this again". Sure,I guess he could have been looking at his box and hitting his knee in desperation while having some hidden problem but he did not show it in this match or in the previous rounds.

Nadal himself knows that Nadal 2007(nevermind 08') would not have lost three straight SF/F while being one set up. It doesn't mean it can't happen but doha,IW and Miami were basically identical scenarios with Rafa failing mentally.
He probably wanted to hit his head but decided against it:)

Also,from what I know,he is highly critical of himself and has been taught as a kid that when he misses/loses it is always his fault,so this outburst might be Nadal "punishing" himself since he has no one to blame.

Funny bit: on the changeover after Rafa's incident,Andy was giving him somespace,he could see how ****ed off Rafa was. I did not see this bit but I saw it was reported on a couple of tennis sites.

OddJack
04-02-2010, 11:04 PM
I don't think so,he moved fine,it is just that he looked as flat as andy's forehand in the third set and he was all like "come on,why the hell are you losing like this again". Sure,I guess he could have been looking at his box and hitting his knee in desperation while having some hidden problem but he did not show it in this match or in the previous rounds.

Nadal himself knows that Nadal 2007(nevermind 08') would not have lost three straight SF/F while being one set up. It doesn't mean it can't happen but doha,IW and Miami were basically identical scenarios with Rafa failing mentally.
He probably wanted to hit his head but decided against it:)

Also,from what I know,he is highly critical of himself and has been taught as a kid that when he misses/loses it is always his fault,so this outburst might be Nadal "punishing" himself since he has no one to blame.

Funny bit: on the changeover after Rafa's incident,Andy was giving him somespace,he could see how ****ed off Rafa was. I did not see this bit but I saw it was reported on a couple of tennis sites.

You know, I am not convinced that his problems are only mental. This guys game is built around grinding and he looks pale and smaller to me. Why does he win the first and then goes down on the second and 3rd?
people praised his game against Tsonga the other night and labeled it his best performance this year, but I disagreed. He struggled in almost each an every of his service games, looked out of breath and exhausted. Tsonga actually had more break point chances in 2 sets than Roddick had in three, yet he couldnt convert even one. Nadal received too much help from him.

Nadal is going to take his frustration with him on clay, thinking it is now his domain and tries to steam roll each and every opponent which will work against him.
This Nadal cannot last for best of 5 for 7 matches and not because of his mental issues, but because of his physical ones.

Knightmace
04-02-2010, 11:24 PM
Miami does that for some reason. Rodge smashed his Racket Rafa hit his knee



Poor ball boy goes back one step, scared.


What happened was frustration, what else? It has been too long since he won a title, he wanted it really bad, with his uncle looking on.

Rodge was able to come back from his mental break down. Can Nadal do the same?

We will know soon, it is clay season after all.
Federer has also smashes his racquet at miami 2005

forthegame
04-03-2010, 12:12 AM
Angry, releasing pent up emotion and stress.
Now that he's had a vent, sure he'll be better.
He has to believe, maybe play a 'lesser tournament' to gain much needed victory.

rovex
04-03-2010, 01:05 AM
lol. Never seen Nadal do that before!

I think he realises how many Semis his made but still can't win a title even if he's played his best.

Oh, and LOL at the kid holding the umbrella moving back a step in order to "keep" a safe distance. :lol:

batz
04-03-2010, 01:30 AM
You are right, Toni was not there, it was actually Sebastian, his father.

I'm pretty sure they were both there last night.

CMM
04-03-2010, 01:32 AM
I'm pretty sure they were both there last night.

His uncle wasn't in Miami.

batz
04-03-2010, 01:48 AM
His uncle wasn't in Miami.

Fair enoguh. I won't argue with you mate - I thought I saw the camera pannning in on Tony sitting next to the other Spanish guy that travels with them.

TheNatural
04-03-2010, 02:17 AM
You know, I am not convinced that his problems are only mental. This guys game is built around grinding and he looks pale and smaller to me. Why does he win the first and then goes down on the second and 3rd?
people praised his game against Tsonga the other night and labeled it his best performance this year, but I disagreed. He struggled in almost each an every of his service games, looked out of breath and exhausted. Tsonga actually had more break point chances in 2 sets than Roddick had in three, yet he couldnt convert even one. Nadal received too much help from him.

Nadal is going to take his frustration with him on clay, thinking it is now his domain and tries to steam roll each and every opponent which will work against him.
This Nadal cannot last for best of 5 for 7 matches and not because of his mental issues, but because of his physical ones.

I think you're right, which is why he should upgrade that plastic toy racket that he uses. hes not physically fit enough to overcome the disadvantage of playing with that hollow plastic toy any more. He needed to be 50% fitter than everyone else to be able to do it in the first place. He needs to upgrade to a more traditional solid racket that gives him more value for his shots(Give Agassi a call?-Agassi said that when he tried Nadal's racket it was like swinging a noodle or something along those lines) so that he doesn't burn himself out swinging like crazy with that toy. Roddick was just grinding and Nadal still couldn't finish him. Nadal cant get enough THUMP on the ball consistently over a long match with that hollow toy racket he uses, even against guys like Roddick which he should be blowing off the court from the baseline, and its frustrating him and making him lose confidence

Lotto
04-03-2010, 02:28 AM
He should really play Estoril...even though Roger is playing he'd probably make the final and then it would be interesting given Roger's recent form. Hopefully that will pick up.

dmt
04-03-2010, 02:31 AM
he should play Monte Carlo and Rome and thats it. Then the french open. No need to overplay unlike last season.

roundiesee
04-03-2010, 02:31 AM
I think you're right, which is why he should upgrade that plastic toy racket that he uses. hes not physically fit enough to overcome the disadvantage of playing with that hollow plastic toy any more. He needed to be 50% fitter than everyone else to be able to do it in the first place. He needs to upgrade to a more traditional solid racket that gives him more value for his shots(Give Agassi a call?-Agassi said that when he tried Nadal's racket it was like swinging a noodle or something along those lines) so that he doesn't burn himself out swinging like crazy with that toy. Roddick was just grinding and Nadal still couldn't finish him. Nadal cant get enough THUMP on the ball consistently over a long match with that hollow toy racket he uses, even against guys like Roddick which he should be blowing off the court from the baseline, and its frustrating him and making him lose confidence

But he's been using this Babolat model for so long, is he able to/willing to change to a different one? Pros in general are animals of habit. Look how Sampras stubbornly stuck to his small headed Wilson for the French Open, only to finally admit his "mistake" in his later years in his biography.

rafan
04-03-2010, 02:53 AM
^^^ Or could it be he is hitting his knee because it's what is failing him?
Maybe he was in pain, couldnt move the way he wanted to because of injury.

Afraid that's what I thought

rovex
04-03-2010, 02:56 AM
He hit the same place where he had the knee problem in the AO QF against Murray. It's strange, because it seems as though the pain is above knee and the lower part of the leg.

TooTallIvo
04-03-2010, 05:30 AM
It is Shakira's fault...

KSJ1979
04-03-2010, 05:51 AM
I think you're right, which is why he should upgrade that plastic toy racket that he uses. hes not physically fit enough to overcome the disadvantage of playing with that hollow plastic toy any more. He needed to be 50% fitter than everyone else to be able to do it in the first place. He needs to upgrade to a more traditional solid racket that gives him more value for his shots(Give Agassi a call?-Agassi said that when he tried Nadal's racket it was like swinging a noodle or something along those lines) so that he doesn't burn himself out swinging like crazy with that toy. Roddick was just grinding and Nadal still couldn't finish him. Nadal cant get enough THUMP on the ball consistently over a long match with that hollow toy racket he uses, even against guys like Roddick which he should be blowing off the court from the baseline, and its frustrating him and making him lose confidence

Personally I don't think it is the racquet....it is either/both between the ears or a physical problem...Rafa's camp is good at keeping things vague so we will never know. When Fed had his problems last year, people were saying "the racquet, the racquet, he needs to use a midplus". Since then after winning 2 slams, not a peep about his racquet. I think the same goes for Rafa. There is something clearly going on between Rafa's ears....divorce...tendonitis....maybe...no?

Fedfan1234
04-03-2010, 06:16 AM
The fact that he hit his leg is probably because he was just angry at the way he was moving on the court. The fact that he hasn't won a tournament in such a long time and that he is fit and this close to winning one again made a little angry. I can understand his frustration.
I don't think he was moving that bad,
I just think players like Murray, Djoker, Roddick, Del Potro etc. will always be better on HC when they are playing well. The fact that Nadal did this good on HC up to now is amazing, but this does not make him better on this surface than these HC specialists.
Nadal will make a good recovery on clay, that is IF he does not get injured again. He will probably win RG again this season.

samprasvsfederer123
04-03-2010, 06:57 AM
it was obviously frustration that he tried so hard he hasnt won in a long time and he had a good run but it was ended unexpectendly by the former world's number 1 and former us open champion ANDY RODDICK.

Mansewerz
04-03-2010, 08:00 AM
Rafa will lose 2nd round in Monte Carlo, semis of Rome, and win Madrid, defeating Roger 6-4 6-4. Thomaz Belluci will defeat Roger in the 4th rd of RG in 4 sets, and Rafa will straight set Belluci in the final. Then, he will play Djokovic in an epic 5 setter at the Wimbledon final, only to have Djokovic lose and feel the pain once again.

namelessone
04-03-2010, 08:03 AM
Rafa will lose 2nd round in Monte Carlo, semis of Rome, and win Madrid, defeating Roger 6-4 6-4. Thomaz Belluci will defeat Roger in the 4th rd of RG in 4 sets, and Rafa will straight set Belluci in the final. Then, he will play Djokovic in an epic 5 setter at the Wimbledon final, only to have Djokovic lose and feel the pain once again.

Role revearsal much:) ?

But seriously,Nadal needs a break on clay.

Atherton2003
04-03-2010, 08:04 AM
Rafa lost due to the following reasons: a). His wisdom tooth bothered him b). Shakira was not in the crowd and he lost focus c). The bugs on the court were distracting him d). His underpants were too tight and he had trouble picking the wedgie out.

NamRanger
04-03-2010, 08:10 AM
I think you're right, which is why he should upgrade that plastic toy racket that he uses. hes not physically fit enough to overcome the disadvantage of playing with that hollow plastic toy any more. He needed to be 50% fitter than everyone else to be able to do it in the first place. He needs to upgrade to a more traditional solid racket that gives him more value for his shots(Give Agassi a call?-Agassi said that when he tried Nadal's racket it was like swinging a noodle or something along those lines) so that he doesn't burn himself out swinging like crazy with that toy. Roddick was just grinding and Nadal still couldn't finish him. Nadal cant get enough THUMP on the ball consistently over a long match with that hollow toy racket he uses, even against guys like Roddick which he should be blowing off the court from the baseline, and its frustrating him and making him lose confidence




I seriously do wonder if you even watch these matches or even play tennis. Nadal recently already made a string change from Duralast to whatever string he has, very likely to add a little bit of power to his game.

Atherton2003
04-03-2010, 08:12 AM
Perhaps Nadal can switch to his right hand if he continues to lose as a lefty.

Mansewerz
04-03-2010, 08:46 AM
Role revearsal much:) ?

But seriously,Nadal needs a break on clay.

How could you tell? :D

aprilfool
04-03-2010, 09:08 AM
Fair enoguh. I won't argue with you mate - I thought I saw the camera pannning in on Tony sitting next to the other Spanish guy that travels with them.

You are correct. I saw him too. They held the image for a few long seconds and he looked concerned. Perhaps he was "officially" not there.

Fedace
04-03-2010, 09:17 AM
What's worse is that rafa actually looked tentative and scared in the 3rd set.

dennis1188
04-03-2010, 09:27 AM
looked like alot of closely played points. Roddick more effective on his approaches (down the middle and deep) w/ much less angle for Nadel to hit his favorite passing shots. Also, Nadel seemed to b a little bit slower than before injury.

CMM
04-03-2010, 09:35 AM
You are correct. I saw him too. They held the image for a few long seconds and he looked concerned. Perhaps he was "officially" not there.

No, he wasn't there. I think you saw his father.

MichaelNadal
04-03-2010, 09:43 AM
What's worse is that rafa actually looked tentative and scared in the 3rd set.

I agree, he was barely hitting the ball and looked totally confused.

bolo
04-03-2010, 09:57 AM
Some frustration there. Roddick changed up his game (more net approaches, flatter forehand) and nadal had no good response. He needed a few more free points on his serve yesterday.

rocket
04-03-2010, 10:04 AM
I think you're right, which is why he should upgrade that plastic toy racket that he uses. hes not physically fit enough to overcome the disadvantage of playing with that hollow plastic toy any more. He needed to be 50% fitter than everyone else to be able to do it in the first place. He needs to upgrade to a more traditional solid racket that gives him more value for his shots(Give Agassi a call?-Agassi said that when he tried Nadal's racket it was like swinging a noodle or something along those lines) so that he doesn't burn himself out swinging like crazy with that toy. Roddick was just grinding and Nadal still couldn't finish him. Nadal cant get enough THUMP on the ball consistently over a long match with that hollow toy racket he uses, even against guys like Roddick which he should be blowing off the court from the baseline, and its frustrating him and making him lose confidence

That "hollow plastic toy" has a SW of 356 or thereabout, same as Federer's.

Atherton2003
04-03-2010, 10:05 AM
Nadal had an off-day - simple as that. It may have been his wisdom tooth, constipation, or some other type of distraction or injury.

rocket
04-03-2010, 10:09 AM
Roddick just raised his game, played tactically smart, won the match.

nn
04-03-2010, 11:25 AM
yes after watching final set rafa had his chances in third set but he wasn't confident or confuse or not 100&.. god & he knows what it is..

but one thing is for sure if roddick hit his forehand like that only chance of winning another major

Semi-Pro
04-03-2010, 11:59 AM
Nadal had a break down, so what? Federer had one last year incidentally at the same tournament. Tennis players are humans also, they have nerves, feelings and have the right to get ****ed off in which ever way they like.

Talker
04-03-2010, 01:04 PM
Probably nothing more than being frustrated, he's shown that emotion a few times now, once during the UO against JDMP he hit his leg with his fist after missing a shot.
Not really an outburst though.

Olorin
04-03-2010, 01:13 PM
Nadal showed arrogance with his outburst. How dare he show frustration when he played like ****.

Arrogant son of a *****.

Atherton2003
04-03-2010, 01:27 PM
So what do you call Serena then? and her "outburst" at the US Open last year? Nadal is a gem compared to that.

decades
04-03-2010, 01:29 PM
rafa injured his thigh in the Shakira video and he was angry that it was the reason he lost in the Semis again....

ronalditop
04-03-2010, 03:38 PM
I think you're right, which is why he should upgrade that plastic toy racket that he uses. hes not physically fit enough to overcome the disadvantage of playing with that hollow plastic toy any more. He needed to be 50% fitter than everyone else to be able to do it in the first place. He needs to upgrade to a more traditional solid racket that gives him more value for his shots(Give Agassi a call?-Agassi said that when he tried Nadal's racket it was like swinging a noodle or something along those lines) so that he doesn't burn himself out swinging like crazy with that toy. Roddick was just grinding and Nadal still couldn't finish him. Nadal cant get enough THUMP on the ball consistently over a long match with that hollow toy racket he uses, even against guys like Roddick which he should be blowing off the court from the baseline, and its frustrating him and making him lose confidence

This is one of the most ridiculous posts I've seen.

swordtennis
04-03-2010, 03:45 PM
I think you're right, which is why he should upgrade that plastic toy racket that he uses. hes not physically fit enough to overcome the disadvantage of playing with that hollow plastic toy any more. He needed to be 50% fitter than everyone else to be able to do it in the first place. He needs to upgrade to a more traditional solid racket that gives him more value for his shots(Give Agassi a call?-Agassi said that when he tried Nadal's racket it was like swinging a noodle or something along those lines) so that he doesn't burn himself out swinging like crazy with that toy. Roddick was just grinding and Nadal still couldn't finish him. Nadal cant get enough THUMP on the ball consistently over a long match with that hollow toy racket he uses, even against guys like Roddick which he should be blowing off the court from the baseline, and its frustrating him and making him lose confidence

This post deserves a place in the TTHOF. LMAO!:)

edberg505
04-03-2010, 03:57 PM
I think you're right, which is why he should upgrade that plastic toy racket that he uses. hes not physically fit enough to overcome the disadvantage of playing with that hollow plastic toy any more. He needed to be 50% fitter than everyone else to be able to do it in the first place. He needs to upgrade to a more traditional solid racket that gives him more value for his shots(Give Agassi a call?-Agassi said that when he tried Nadal's racket it was like swinging a noodle or something along those lines) so that he doesn't burn himself out swinging like crazy with that toy. Roddick was just grinding and Nadal still couldn't finish him. Nadal cant get enough THUMP on the ball consistently over a long match with that hollow toy racket he uses, even against guys like Roddick which he should be blowing off the court from the baseline, and its frustrating him and making him lose confidence

Actually I believe Agassi said, "I couldn't break an egg with this thing."

vincent_tennis
04-03-2010, 03:58 PM
Its the Rodds. ;)

AJK1
04-03-2010, 04:08 PM
He did it so we here at TW would go nuts trying to figure out why he did it?

rudester
04-03-2010, 04:11 PM
Perhaps Rafa was frustrated because of a combination of things, he Could not return Roddicks serve consistently, even though for the most part he was winning the greater percentage of baseline rallies, and then after all of that work Roddick turns on the afterburners just long enough to Break and win the set. I think the energy Roddick displayed out of nowhere just shocked Rafa. Nadal's inability to return serve was the key issue, Without Roddick's usual incredible serving display, Nadal wins easily. such is tennis

Slazenger07
04-03-2010, 04:16 PM
This Nadal cannot last for best of 5 for 7 matches and not because of his mental issues, but because of his physical ones.[/QUOTE]

Nadal's one of if not the fittest guy on tour, if he cant last in best of 5 format for 7 matches than no one can. I dont think anything physical was bothering him, it was Roddick's game that was bothering him.

The-Champ
04-03-2010, 04:49 PM
he should play Monte Carlo and Rome and thats it. Then the french open. No need to overplay unlike last season.


This would be the best decision.

RCizzle65
04-03-2010, 05:10 PM
I seriously do wonder if you even watch these matches or even play tennis. Nadal recently already made a string change from Duralast to whatever string he has, very likely to add a little bit of power to his game.

Out of all the things to pick on in the bolded part of the post, you choose that? How about Roddick wasn't grinding the ball when he broke Nadal at luv in the second set.

TheTruth
04-03-2010, 05:43 PM
I did not see Tony at this tourney or at least they did not show him.

He wasn't. They made mention of it. His dad came with him.

babbette
04-03-2010, 05:47 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! People have translated rafa's outburst and what he was saying was "...No puc. El put genoll... El put genoll" "I can't... The f***ing knee... the f***ing knee"
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! http://emoticons4u.com/sad/014.gif

Oh please god...comeon.:(

decades
04-03-2010, 05:52 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! People have translated rafa's outburst and what he was saying was "...No puc. El put genoll... El put genoll" "I can't... The f***ing knee... the f***ing knee"
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! http://emoticons4u.com/sad/014.gif

Oh please god...comeon.:(

I feared this moment ever since I learned he was trying to keep up with Shakira....:shock:

OddJack
04-03-2010, 05:53 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! People have translated rafa's outburst and what he was saying was "...No puc. El put genoll... El put genoll" "I can't... The f***ing knee... the f***ing knee"
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! http://emoticons4u.com/sad/014.gif

Oh please god...comeon.:(

Translate this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fogqtqIV05c

Li Ching Yuen
04-03-2010, 05:58 PM
The gesture means more of "It's because of these damn knees and them giving up on me that I start loosing against these guys"

TennisandMusic
04-03-2010, 06:04 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if his knee or knees was bothering him. Look at how badly he is moving at least in the last set. That last passing shot they show in that highlight thing, look how he takes little tiny steps after he's done, before the fist pump. It seriously looks goofy. Oh well. I mean, maybe that's not it, but it certainly doesn't LOOK right.

babbette
04-03-2010, 06:04 PM
Translate this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fogqtqIV05c
apparently

Rafael Nadal accumulated 11 months of drought, 11 months without any title, it's bit normal in the career of the manacori he hopes to re form to his surface now.

Clay season begins and still Nadal has not been seen lift a trophy, so far at this stage of the season he always had won at least one, but we found an exception, the year of 2008 that began with drought and finished the season brilliantly. Before Monte Carlo Rafa played 6 tournaments results are very similar, Nadal has made a final and two semi-finals.

So nothing new here but because the matches that he had control and lost them and have vanished in the occasions the Spaniard scored a commanding win in the first set in the Doha final against Davydenko, Nadal started with a 6-0 and had 2 match points and unable to take it. In Indian Wells he had Ljubacic on the ropes but could not win the tie-break and just yesterday against Roddick also gave up, it seems that the pressure and the need to win surpass at the key moments or are injuries that have come at a desperate moments.

Yesterday alarms rang, now is the left knee just as Nadal started to return

decades
04-03-2010, 06:10 PM
if he has another knee problem his body is more tempremental than a british sports car....

Commando Tennis Shorts
04-03-2010, 06:49 PM
The gesture means more of "It's because of these damn knees and them giving up on me that I start loosing against these guys"

Hmmm, if this is an accurate translation, what does he mean by "these guys"?

OddJack
04-03-2010, 07:02 PM
Hmmm, if this is an accurate translation, what does he mean by "these guys"?

Lubicic is one of the guys

Commando Tennis Shorts
04-03-2010, 07:10 PM
^^^Yeah, but the connnotation seems like a negative one, like he's losing to inferior players or something---which isn't the case.

namelessone
04-04-2010, 12:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qk_BN01ido

Go to 1:20 to see the translation

He basically says "I can't,the knees,the goddam knees"(or something along those lines,he was cursing apparently) while gesturing to someone from his camp. I really really really hope it is nothing physical with the clay season coming up next. Rafa has probably gotten to a point where he would have pushed hard on that knee in the past to get back into the game with andy but while in the field,he realizes he can't do that anymore and it is frustrating him big time.

Oh,and I don't think he considers roddick or ljubicic inferior players but Rafa knows,his fans know,even his haters know that Rafa of old(not even 2008 Nadal) does not lose three big games in a row while being up a set(and having a break in the third or MP's in some) and certainly does not drop his level so suddenly in the second and third acts,not to mention being pathetic on BP's. Roddick had not won a HC match with Rafa since 08' in dubai(on very fast HC),the previous one being in 2004 at USO when Rafa was just a kid. This match-up favours Roddick on fast HC and maybe grass just a bit. Everywhere else Rafa is favourite.

Rafa had not lost a match to ljubicic since 2005 even though ivan is a very good player.

And while Davy owns Rafa on HC if he bageled Davydenko,had 2 MP's and broke first in the third,he must have been doing something right but again when push came to shove he failed to close out.

We,Nadal fans,are not looking at these individual matches or the players that have beat Rafa but more at the big picture and the truth is Rafa has lost three matches is a very similar fashion and one that is unlike him since he was one of the best frontrunners in the game. It is more than just opponents changing their tactics throughout the match. Guys did that in the past as well(see Rafa's numerous beatdowns on HC) but Nadal would always find a way to push back into the match so to speak. Nowadays he finds it hardest to play when he is leading,when he has to close it out. If that is not a mental thing I don't know what is.

CMM
04-04-2010, 03:48 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qk_BN01ido

Go to 1:20 to see the translation

:cry: ................

malakas
04-04-2010, 04:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qk_BN01ido

Go to 1:20 to see the translation

He basically says "I can't,the knees,the goddam knees"(or something along those lines,he was cursing apparently) while gesturing to someone from his camp. I really really really hope it is nothing physical with the clay season coming up next. Rafa has probably gotten to a point where he would have pushed hard on that knee in the past to get back into the game with andy but while in the field,he realizes he can't do that anymore and it is frustrating him big time.

oh wow.When I first saw it I thought it was a general outburst,still very uncharacteristic of him.But now this is actually more worrying.

The clay season will be very telling for sure,not for just this year but for the whole future of his carreer, imo.

AllDownTheLine
04-04-2010, 04:21 AM
Rafa lost due to the following reasons: a). His wisdom tooth bothered him b). Shakira was not in the crowd and he lost focus c). The bugs on the court were distracting him d). His underpants were too tight and he had trouble picking the wedgie out.

Wrong! In Indian Wells Uncle Tony bought him some boxer shorts in XL.
It hasn't stopped the wedgie picking but Nadal himself reported that
it made it much easier to clear out the wedge area between points.

sh@de
04-04-2010, 04:32 AM
LOL what's this I'm hearing about Nadal's knees? He lost fair and square. If he says it's his knees again... wow, just wow.

babbette
04-04-2010, 04:40 AM
LOL what's this I'm hearing about Nadal's knees? He lost fair and square. If he says it's his knees again... wow, just wow.
Idiota, he didn't mention it in his presser or anywhere. He was shouting to himself it's everybody else that went on a mission to find out what was said...now you know.

with the way everybody goes on about his health I don't he will be keen to mention anymore problems in the future. There might come a point where we won't know what's going on with him when it happens. :(

babbette
04-04-2010, 04:46 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qk_BN01ido

Go to 1:20 to see the translation

He basically says "I can't,the knees,the goddam knees"(or something along those lines,he was cursing apparently)
yup the quote I posted a few post above yours was translated by a Spanish speaker.

rovex
04-04-2010, 04:51 AM
Maybe Nadal should consider some form of surgery? It may well benefit him for the long term.

samprasvsfederer123
04-04-2010, 06:46 AM
poor rafa, i want him to win grand slams, but i want and know and believe tat federer will destroy everyone in his path to win the calendar grand slam.

namelessone
04-04-2010, 07:14 AM
oh wow.When I first saw it I thought it was a general outburst,still very uncharacteristic of him.But now this is actually more worrying.

The clay season will be very telling for sure,not for just this year but for the whole future of his carreer, imo.

I don't think there is need to panic just yet. Maybe he was upset with his knee because he could not push off it like in the past and this was a time(after being broken) where he could have used that. As TennisandMusic said he was moving slower in the third set and even one of the good passing shots he had in the third looked cumbersome and didn't have that flow that Rafa brings in his passing shot. He knows he needs to push his body again to beat the best but it is not responding,even with rest. And I don't think it can withstand the rigors of a tourney a full week with no rest. Watch Nadal's movement in the early rounds in IW and Miami and watch his semifinals. As the match goes on his legs seem to give out a bit,not tired mind you,just not as quick. Ok he isn't 19 anymore but still,how can one man move so good in the early rounds and have lazy feet in the SF in the last sets? I hope it is just Rafa getting older and not some other knee problem because that would really end him.

Him not being able to push off his knees might also explain some of those frequent short balls in the SF. I finally got around to watching the first set of the semi and Rafa was still giving plenty of short ball even when he was hanging around the baseline. He gives the impression of not being able to generate as much power and depth,even though the new strings are supposed to help. And for those he is "way skinnier",don't give me that BS argument. He can't be hitting great fh in one match and throw a lot of short ones in the next.

Also,maybe the translation was wrong,I didn't hear rodillas in Rafa's little speech to himself and I would not be suprised if the press made s**t up. I already pity him for the questions he will have to answer about his knees.

I can't wait for clay season to get a final verdict on which way Rafa's career is going.

angiebaby
04-04-2010, 07:45 AM
I think Rafa still has a little way to go in regaining his mental confidence. He's still doubting that his knees can take his usual 'all out' style and it's making him hesitant and he's overthinking out there. I think the problem isn't so much that his knees can't take it, it's that Rafa THINKS they can't.

Getting back on clay will go a long way to helping him sort it all out in his head. No need for panic just yet.

sh@de
04-04-2010, 08:11 AM
Idiota, he didn't mention it in his presser or anywhere. He was shouting to himself it's everybody else that went on a mission to find out what was said...now you know.

with the way everybody goes on about his health I don't he will be keen to mention anymore problems in the future. There might come a point where we won't know what's going on with him when it happens. :(

Ok fair enough then, if Nadal really says its his knees, all I can say is that I am reaaallly dubious as to whether it's real or not, but of course, I'll still trust him, because, after all, I really don't think he would lie about this stuff..

Another issue though is, are people overreacting to this knee thing maybe? I for one don't think it's his knees, and I'll admit I overreacted when I heard it at first, but really, is there any need to jump to conclusions based on such thin evidence we have? I think not. Let's just wait and see.

clayman2000
04-04-2010, 08:12 AM
I think Rafa still has a little way to go in regaining his mental confidence. He's still doubting that his knees can take his usual 'all out' style and it's making him hesitant and he's overthinking out there. I think the problem isn't so much that his knees can't take it, it's that Rafa THINKS they can't.

Getting back on clay will go a long way to helping him sort it all out in his head. No need for panic just yet.

I tend to agree. If he can win Roland Garros, it will increase both his confidence, and his belief tenfold.

Looking at Nadal in the past month, you can see he is regaining some of his old shots back. The DTL forhand that was a pure weapon in the Wimby final in 08 is coming back. His loopy forhand passes are returning, as is his ability to fend of BP's.

All he needs now is consistency. This isnt like the end of 09 where the top players were dismantling him, its Nadal loosing games he should win.

rafan
04-04-2010, 08:41 AM
Well I cannot but think SOMETHING strange happened during this match because Roddick looked quite scared in the first set and Rafa was definitely in control. He was the Rafa of old. Come the second, and worse, third set he was not the same player. Some may insist it was Roddick playing better but I have looked at a recording of this match and Rafa was just not there somehow. God I just hope he wasn't in pain and taking more time out next tournament

rocket
04-04-2010, 09:30 AM
I think Rafa still has a little way to go in regaining his mental confidence. He's still doubting that his knees can take his usual 'all out' style and it's making him hesitant and he's overthinking out there. I think the problem isn't so much that his knees can't take it, it's that Rafa THINKS they can't.

Getting back on clay will go a long way to helping him sort it all out in his head. No need for panic just yet.

Don't you worry about his head, he's the fiercest & most tenacious fighter out there. His knees however are another story. Had to give up the fight in the AO, very unlike him. When the pain shoots right up, there's nothing one can do.

Rhino
04-04-2010, 09:44 AM
The outburst looked pretty mild to me, I barely even noticed it.

veroniquem
04-04-2010, 09:23 PM
Afraid that's what I thought
That's what I thought as well (that there was a problem with his knee again). It also seems he said something like "I can't" in Catalan (Mallorquin TV reported about it). The place where he hit was very deliberate and he also gestured at his camp. I hope it's not anything serious though. He didn't say anything about it in his press conf. Right now there's nothing else to do than wait for more news and keep fingers crossed.

ruerooo
04-04-2010, 09:27 PM
I think Rafa still has a little way to go in regaining his mental confidence. He's still doubting that his knees can take his usual 'all out' style and it's making him hesitant and he's overthinking out there. I think the problem isn't so much that his knees can't take it, it's that Rafa THINKS they can't.

He talks about exactly that in this article here.

http://www.espn.co.uk/tennis/sport/story/13699.html

Getting back on clay will go a long way to helping him sort it all out in his head. No need for panic just yet.

I like to think that since so many of the injuries are aggravated by hardcourt, and that's where the wear and tear is worst, that the coming of clay season will alleviate some of these concerns for him -- so he can focus on extending that repertoire of deadly shots.

rafan
04-04-2010, 10:56 PM
He talks about exactly that in this article here.

http://www.espn.co.uk/tennis/sport/story/13699.html



I like to think that since so many of the injuries are aggravated by hardcourt, and that's where the wear and tear is worst, that the coming of clay season will alleviate some of these concerns for him -- so he can focus on extending that repertoire of deadly shots.

This is a really sad state of affairs. The block here is so human and understandable - not knowing if his knee trouble will just begin at any part of the tournament. Whereas his fans live in fear of the next "announcement". If only he could find a way out of all this!

rafan
04-04-2010, 10:59 PM
That's what I thought as well (that there was a problem with his knee again). It also seems he said something like "I can't" in Catalan (Mallorquin TV reported about it). The place where he hit was very deliberate and he also gestured at his camp. I hope it's not anything serious though. He didn't say anything about it in his press conf. Right now there's nothing else to do than wait for more news and keep fingers crossed.


I was really shocked Veroniquem at his outburst because I half thought this was just a routine match that if he lost he wouldn't worry. Just a sort of pre clay tournament. It was so sad to see him give way like this.

Lsmkenpo
04-04-2010, 11:37 PM
He has become too extreme in his emotions on court, it is never a good thing for a tennis player.

He needs to quit celebrating every winner like he just won the tournament, and not show so much negativity or disgust if he makes an error or his opponent hits a winner.

Once you put yourself on this roller coaster of emotions,ones ego starts to take control over play and you simply can not play your best tennis when this occurs.

veroniquem
04-05-2010, 05:31 AM
I was really shocked Veroniquem at his outburst because I half thought this was just a routine match that if he lost he wouldn't worry. Just a sort of pre clay tournament. It was so sad to see him give way like this.
I felt sad more than shocked. It's one thing to be outplayed by an opponent, it's another thing to have your own body restrict your movement and your abilities.
Rafa will endure though, he's gone this far, he's not gonna give in now. Semis at IW and Miami is far from a crappy result and he's bound to do better on clay.
BTW according to the American master swing the 3 best players on hard are Roddick (1 final and 1 win), Nadal and Soderling (2 semis). Not bad for a "handicapped" man...

valiant
04-05-2010, 05:37 AM
He has become too extreme in his emotions on court, it is never a good thing for a tennis player.

He needs to quit celebrating every winner like he just won the tournament, and not show so much negativity or disgust if he makes an error or his opponent hits a winner.

Once you put yourself on this roller coaster of emotions,ones ego starts to take control over play and you simply can not play your best tennis when this occurs.

Young fed full of emotions and winning nothing for example.

drakulie
04-05-2010, 05:40 AM
It's one thing to be outplayed by an opponent, it's another thing to have your own body restrict your movement and your abilities.

Rafa has never been outplayed,,,,,,,,, he is always injured when he loses.

veroniquem
04-05-2010, 05:44 AM
Not always but sometimes. The knee thing is not exactly an injury, it's a chronic thing that can impair his movement and get worse at times.

reversef
04-05-2010, 06:03 AM
Also,maybe the translation was wrong,I didn't hear rodillas in Rafa's little speech to himself and I would not be suprised if the press made s**t up. I already pity him for the questions he will have to answer about his knees.



He was talking in catalan. Knee=genoll (don't know if the spelling is correct).

drakulie
04-05-2010, 06:13 AM
The knee thing is not exactly an injury, it's a chronic thing that can impair his movement and get worse at times.


exaclty, but only when he loses.

sh@de
04-05-2010, 06:30 AM
Not always but sometimes. The knee thing is not exactly an injury, it's a chronic thing that can impair his movement and get worse at times.

It only comes out when he loses right? Well that's what *******s say anyway. Pretty lame excuse if you ask me. I mean, so Nadal never loses if his knees are alright? Seriously...

EDIT: LOL I replied before I read what drak said. Drak's right...

ronalditop
04-05-2010, 06:49 AM
So according to Nadal fans there is just no way in hell Nadal can lose a match when he's fully healthy. If he loses, it has to be because his knees are injured, and not because the other player played better.

reversef
04-05-2010, 06:56 AM
No, Nadal's fans don't find an injury each time he loses. At least not me. But let's say that we are worried. The fact is that he pronounced the word in his outburst. With his knees problems, you could understand that it's worrying.

Luke22
04-05-2010, 09:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwu1Cz8ZaHs

dthomas
04-05-2010, 04:51 PM
I feel sorry for Nadal. I believe this is the beginning of the end for him. It reminds of Andrew Toney from the Philadelphia 76er's in 1983 when they won the NBA championship. He was completely on stoppable and helped Dr. J and Moses Malone win the NBA championship, but then the following year he began to have knee problems. He was never again the player he was in 1983and shortly left the game. The 76er's were never the same team after his injury even though they had Dr. J and Moses Malone.
I feel Nadal lost that match because the knee was bothering him, and causing him pain. It will be interesting to see how he does on the clay courts. Maybe the surface will be more forgiving on his knees, but I believe he will continue having this pain in his knee. It sounds like a chronic knee injury that only goes away with rest.