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fedhingis515
04-03-2010, 12:47 PM
I think both have the same number of titles on hardcourts, and both have 2 US Open titles. Discuss!!

samprasvsfederer123
04-03-2010, 01:17 PM
winner: Hingis

lol jk

i take venus

davey25
04-03-2010, 01:27 PM
I would need to dig up all their stats to know for sure. I think Clijsters has the overall better record on hard courts career wise though so objectively speaking I would probably go with her.

The funny thing is Venus has had far and way a better career than Clijsters yet it might be the only surface she is better on is grass. Yet the enormous chasm on that surface still puts her as far ahead overall at this moment.

fedhingis515
04-03-2010, 09:56 PM
I would need to dig up all their stats to know for sure. I think Clijsters has the overall better record on hard courts career wise though so objectively speaking I would probably go with her.

The funny thing is Venus has had far and way a better career than Clijsters yet it might be the only surface she is better on is grass. Yet the enormous chasm on that surface still puts her as far ahead overall at this moment.

Never even thought of that. Take grass away from Venus (Wimbledon) and they'll both have the same number of grand slams!

YouJaySoup
04-03-2010, 10:00 PM
Venus in her prime on hardcourts beats Kim in her prime on hardcourts.

But currently I'd say Kim is better as Venus has been inconsistent lately,though still one of the best in the WTA

davey25
04-03-2010, 10:10 PM
Venus in her prime on hardcourts beats Kim in her prime on hardcourts.

But currently I'd say Kim is better as Venus has been inconsistent lately,though still one of the best in the WTA

It is pretty hard to define when the "prime" of both these women was. What years would you earmark as their prime years exactly.

egn
04-03-2010, 10:24 PM
I give the edge slightly to venusthey have the same amount of slams but venus has one more final and but Venus has one more tier 1 title plus the year end championship so Venus gets the slight edge at the moment

LameTennisPlayer
04-03-2010, 10:27 PM
i would say venus

thalivest
04-03-2010, 10:41 PM
I give the edge slightly to venusthey have the same amount of slams but venus has one more final and but Venus has one more tier 1 title plus the year end championship so Venus gets the slight edge at the moment

Kim won the WTA year end Championships twice.

YouJaySoup
04-03-2010, 11:05 PM
It is pretty hard to define when the "prime" of both these women was. What years would you earmark as their prime years exactly.

I would probably define Venus's prime during 2000 to 2002,where she successfully defended her US Open title(2000 and 2001),winning Stanford,San Diego and New Haven en route to the US Open and winning the Olympic singles gold medal,reaching the semis of the AO for the first time,defending her titles in 2000 successfully and winning Miami in 2001,winning 7 titles in 2002 and reaching the final of the US Open again,only losing to Serena in the final.

As for Kim,I'd think she was at her best between end of 2002 to 2003,and 2005. Won her 1st YEC in 2002,defending it in 2003,won Indian Wells and reached the USO final. In 2005,won IW and Miami in a row and the USO title.

I think the prime of Kim is pretty hard to define because in between years she's had injuries/inconsistent results that resulted in a year that could be defined as "either good or bad" and in fact from the way she's playing right now I don't even think her prime is past. But for Venus,she's still playing well now(winning Dubai,reaching the final of Miami,QF of AO) but as compared to her prime in 2000-2002 she isn't as good or dominating in tournaments as she used to be.

THUNDERVOLLEY
04-04-2010, 02:27 AM
Venus; winning back-to-back USO titles (especially in the way she performed) stands above any other hardcourt achivement.

thalivest
04-04-2010, 03:16 AM
Venus; winning back-to-back USO titles (especially in the way she performed) stands above any other hardcourt achivement.

I think all her Miami wins are a good tiebreaker when compared to other 2 slam winners as well. That is probably the biggest non slam on hard courts. The WTA Championships are often indoors which are kind of another surface.

samprasvsfederer123
04-04-2010, 06:48 AM
i retract kim is better

hcb0804
04-05-2010, 02:59 PM
Well, I thoroughly enjoyed being there in person at the Miami final and watching V get her butt KICKED by Kim. I also heard from someone behind the scenes that V was anything but gracious in defeat when she got off court out of view of most. She was pitchin' a ***** and it was ugly according to him.

egn
04-05-2010, 08:48 PM
Kim won the WTA year end Championships twice.

Yes that is correct I overlooked that..hmm that makes things a bit more level..now I can't decide.