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thalivest
04-04-2010, 02:10 PM
I am hoping Nadal skips Madrid this year. I dont want him to take any chances on injuring or fatiguing himself going into the French. Plus the clay is not even very good clay and does not help with preperation or rythym at all.

ruerooo
04-04-2010, 02:13 PM
I am hoping Nadal skips Madrid this year. I dont want him to take any chances on injuring or fatiguing himself going into the French. Plus the clay is not even very good clay and does not help with preperation or rythym at all.

Wasn't there some concern also about the altitude?

thalivest
04-04-2010, 02:14 PM
Wasn't there some concern also about the altitude?

Yeah I think so. I hope this time he does the sensible thing and cans Madrid from his schedule. I have a feeling he will and I hope I am right. If he plays Madrid I doubt he will win the French to be honest.

Gizo
04-04-2010, 02:17 PM
The only problem with Nadal skipping Madrid, is that if he does he'll go 3 weeks without any competitive match practice ahead of the French. Yes he won both tournaments, but I believe that he said he was uncomfortable going into the French in 2005 and 2006 after a 2 week break.
Of course he isn't going to skip Barcelona. That tournament means an awful lot to him and has lot of history. It's pretty well known that the surface and conditions at Monte-Carlo are more similar to those at the French than the other big clay warm-up events. Maybe he should skip Rome instead of Madrid, although Rome is another tournament that he loves and has many special memories at.

ruerooo
04-04-2010, 02:20 PM
Yeah I think so. ... If he plays Madrid I doubt he will win the French to be honest.

Oh please don't say that.

I'd like to think the risk of injury is going to be lessened just from his switching surfaces. (You know most of the really difficult injuries have come on hard court.)

You know Rafa is a very competitive guy, and he has his finalist points to defend.

JeMar
04-04-2010, 02:28 PM
I hear he'll play it so he has an excuse at the French.

thalivest
04-04-2010, 02:30 PM
Oh please don't say that.

I'd like to think the risk of injury is going to be lessened just from his switching surfaces. (You know most of the really difficult injuries have come on hard court.)

You know Rafa is a very competitive guy, and he has his finalist points to defend.

Winning the French will give him more points than being in the finals of Madrid and crashing out in the 4th round of the French like last year. Of course Rafa is competitive but I would like to think he isnt stupid and will learn from past mistakes.

Augustus
04-04-2010, 02:45 PM
Of course Nadal won't skip Madrid, his home MS event. He probably wants to win the only clay MS that he hasn't already, especially in his own country.

soyizgood
04-04-2010, 02:49 PM
Gees....
Federer played Madrid and the FO. Won them both...:confused:

Now maybe Nadal should consider skipping Monte Carlo and/or Barcelona if he's so worried about his health. :rolleyes: Then again that would cost him 1500 points with no guarantee he'd win the French.

ruerooo
04-04-2010, 02:52 PM
Winning the French will give him more points than being in the finals of Madrid and crashing out in the 4th round of the French like last year. Of course Rafa is competitive but I would like to think he isnt stupid and will learn from past mistakes.

Well, if he does decide to play in Madrid, I don't think that exactly establishes that he's stupid.

As Augustus said, there are other factors -- I kind of thought myself that the biggest reason he didn't skip it last year is because it's a Spanish tournament; and I'd forgotten it is the only clay Masters he hasn't won.

(Yet.)

West Coast Ace
04-04-2010, 02:57 PM
I hear he'll play it so he has an excuse at the French.Well played!

Gees....
Federer played Madrid and the FO. Won them both...:confused:
Thought I remembered it that way too... how'd he do that?

Wasn't there some concern also about the altitude?As much as I respect Rafa that was one of the lamest excuses ever. I think the Williams Sisters would say "WTF?" to that one...

davey25
04-04-2010, 03:03 PM
Gees....
Federer played Madrid and the FO. Won them both...:confused:


Federer went out early in Monte Carlo and Rome, and didnt play Barcelona or any smaller clay events.

Mustard
04-04-2010, 05:16 PM
I am hoping Nadal skips Madrid this year. I dont want him to take any chances on injuring or fatiguing himself going into the French. Plus the clay is not even very good clay and does not help with preperation or rythym at all.

Reminds me of something Manchester United manager, Alex Ferguson, once said about his decision to drop goalkeeper, Jim Leighton, in the 1990 FA Cup final replay. Fergie said "The easy decision would have been to play him. The hard decision won us the cup".

The scenario is similar for Rafa, the easy decision is to play Madrid and make the fans and organisers happy, as he did last year. The hard decision could win him the French Open.

samprasvsfederer123
04-04-2010, 05:20 PM
Reminds me of something Manchester United manager, Alex Ferguson, once said about his decision to drop goalkeeper, Jim Leighton, in the 1990 FA Cup final replay. Fergie said "The easy decision would have been to play him. The hard decision won us the cup".

The scenario is similar for Rafa, the easy decision is to play Madrid and make the fans and organisers happy, as he did last year. The hard decision could win him the French Open.

i hope federer takes both, and nadal waits till next year till the MAN Federer gets his clendar grand slam,

lol jk


i am a fed fan though, if he knows his limits then he wont play but he has made the mistakes before, i dont know..

Mustard
04-04-2010, 05:22 PM
i hope federer takes both, and nadal waits till next year till the MAN Federer gets his clendar grand slam,

lol jk


i am a fed fan though, if he knows his limits then he wont play but he has made the mistakes before, i dont know..

I think we can safely assume that Federer will be ready for the French Open. He has an uncanny knack of being ready for the slams.

veroniquem
04-04-2010, 09:39 PM
The only thing I'm hoping for is that his frigging body will hold up. Everything else is secondary at the moment.

Jonny S&V
04-04-2010, 09:43 PM
Federer went out early in Monte Carlo and Rome, and didnt play Barcelona or any smaller clay events.

He won Estoril, didn't he?

ruerooo
04-04-2010, 09:44 PM
He won Estoril, didn't he?

I don't think Roger played Estoril last year.

OddJack
04-04-2010, 10:15 PM
Not a chance, he wants it even more.

abmk
04-04-2010, 10:58 PM
Federer went out early in Monte Carlo and Rome, and didnt play Barcelona or any smaller clay events.

he lost in the semis to djoker at rome. that is not early ...

But yeah, rafa needs to cut down his schedule

Anaconda
04-05-2010, 03:42 AM
I think it will all depend on how he does on the other clay court events. He's got quite a few points to defend in Madrid so if he wants to A) Keep his #3 ranking or B) Get to #2 then he will have to play it.

drakulie
04-05-2010, 05:01 AM
He'll most likely play it, including signing up for the doubles, mixed doubles, USTA Madrid Leagues, Wheelchair tennis, Beach Tennis, etc. Cause he is stupid like that.

NamRanger
04-05-2010, 06:08 AM
Considering the fact that the FO was blazing fast last year, I think Madrid was actually a pretty good warm-up tournament.

TMF
04-05-2010, 06:15 AM
Yeah I think so. I hope this time he does the sensible thing and cans Madrid from his schedule. I have a feeling he will and I hope I am right. If he plays Madrid I doubt he will win the French to be honest.

But skipping Madrid and then not winning the FO would be even more damaging.

forzamilan90
04-05-2010, 08:27 AM
I think we can safely assume that Federer will be ready for the French Open. He has an uncanny knack of being ready for the slams.

true. but i think to defeat nadal there, he really needs to get down and dirty in these warm up clay events.

Cyan
04-05-2010, 09:40 AM
He should skip Madrid. It's gaudy trash.

TMF
04-05-2010, 09:56 AM
He should skip Madrid. It's gaudy trash.


I donít think whether if heís playing Madrid or not will have any impact at RG. He did played Hamburg in the past which was being replaced by Madrid now, but still won the FO. Itís either you show up or you donít. Iíll guarantee you if Rafa loses the FO, the excuse will comes from his fans will be skipping(or not) Madrid was a terrible move!

All-rounder
04-05-2010, 10:30 AM
If he fails to win Monte Carlo and Rome then no he won't skip Madrid

ksbh
04-05-2010, 10:34 AM
ROFL X 100, D! Not too far from the truth! :)

He'll most likely play it, including signing up for the doubles, mixed doubles, USTA Madrid Leagues, Wheelchair tennis, Beach Tennis, etc. Cause he is stupid like that.

ksbh
04-05-2010, 11:24 AM
I don't think it's got anything to do with clay. Rafa is ahead of the rest of the pack on any clay. It's the scheduling that does him in and hopefully he's learnt from past mistakes.

I am hoping Nadal skips Madrid this year. I dont want him to take any chances on injuring or fatiguing himself going into the French. Plus the clay is not even very good clay and does not help with preperation or rythym at all.

Marius_Hancu
05-01-2010, 06:06 PM
He said in Miami:

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Q. Ian [sic] Tiriac said this week that he doesn't understand why you don't play Madrid. The tournament will continue to be a great tournament without you. What's your opinion?

RAFAEL NADAL: Ian [sic] Tiriac probably doesn't know if I play Madrid, or not because it's in my schedule, so...

Q. When you take a decision if you played Madrid or not?

RAFAEL NADAL: I play Madrid. I told you before. I said Madrid is in my schedule. Probably or Ian Tiriac don't know about my schedule, or you understand bad from him.

http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=62555
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Now let's see if Tiriac was well-informed in advance about Nadal's plans.

hondas2k
05-01-2010, 06:52 PM
He wont because its in his home country.
he already skipped home tourney which was barcelona. I dont think he would skipping home tourney this time.

World Beater
05-01-2010, 08:20 PM
what fatigue...nadal will have at least one week rest before madrid.

its not like nadal has been playing back to back weeks...and he has been destroying ppl. his matches have been quick for his standards.

no fatigue issue here.

OddJack
05-01-2010, 08:25 PM
He cant. He;s thirsty for points. cant afford losing any. It is his season after all

Blinkism
05-01-2010, 08:48 PM
Well, he skipped Barcelona and Davis Cup this year so if he skips Madrid he'd be going into the French Open with only 2 claycourt tourneys for practice.

I'm not sure that'll be enough for him. He'll probably play this year, when you consider that almost all of his matches have been a breeze since Miami.

Spider
05-01-2010, 09:09 PM
I don't think he should skip it. He has crushed the field in MC and Rome so far (having lost just one set, and will most likely thrash Ferrer in the final).

He should play Madrid.

Dimension
05-01-2010, 09:10 PM
I don't think he should skip it. He needs to keep up his momentum and carry forward to the FO. Besides, with his better scheduling this year, I think he will have enough rest before the big show time.

paulorenzo
05-01-2010, 09:53 PM
Considering the fact that the FO was blazing fast last year, I think Madrid was actually a pretty good warm-up tournament.

second this.

Bud
05-02-2010, 01:13 AM
I am hoping Nadal skips Madrid this year. I dont want him to take any chances on injuring or fatiguing himself going into the French. Plus the clay is not even very good clay and does not help with preperation or rythym at all.

The altitude also screws up the ball action/trajectory. It's a poor tournament to lead into a GS.

tahiti
05-02-2010, 01:45 AM
I think he should skip Madrid and just concentrate on RG. Health and knees first.

TheNatural
05-02-2010, 01:50 AM
No need to skip it even if it plays more like the US open than the FO. He gets a week rest between each tournament( Monte Carlo, Rome, Madrid, FO). It would have been a big problem to play Barcelona as it would have been 3 weeks tennis without a rest.

Cyan
05-02-2010, 12:48 PM
He should skip Madrid.

Rhino
05-02-2010, 01:11 PM
He's a professional athlete for crissakes. There are three weeks until RG and Madrid will only take up one of those, so of course he won't skip it.

However if he were to skip it, it would probably help Federer beat Pete's record of 286 weeks, because their points total will be very close at the end of RG.

Markov
05-02-2010, 02:09 PM
I honestly don't think that Nadal will be around for a long time. So maybe he should just risk and try to win everything in sight. Because he might have already gone too far in terms of punishing his own body. He has a good chance now that the other top guys are weak (I'm pretty sure he would win Madrid even if others were at their normal level, but he could do it now with less work and save his body)

thalivest
05-02-2010, 02:17 PM
I made this thread before Barcelona. I would have never imagined him skipping Barcelona. Now that he has things are totally different regarding needing to skip Madrid.

sjam316
05-02-2010, 02:19 PM
People talk about Madrid affecting Nadal last year because of the altitude, or it being to close to the French Open. They forget that the real reason he was affected by it was that epic semi-final he played against Djokovic, neither player was the same after that match. So unless that happens again this year, playing Madrid shouldn't hurt his French Open chances too much

thalivest
05-02-2010, 02:25 PM
The biggest problem with Madrid was playing all 5 of Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Rome, Madrid, and the French. I couldnt imagine him skipping any of the previous 3 which is why I suggested Madrid. He did shockingly skip Barcelona so this thread is irrelevant now.

clayman2000
05-02-2010, 02:44 PM
People talk about Madrid affecting Nadal last year because of the altitude, or it being to close to the French Open. They forget that the real reason he was affected by it was that epic semi-final he played against Djokovic, neither player was the same after that match. So unless that happens again this year, playing Madrid shouldn't hurt his French Open chances too much

It didnt help that Federer was absolutely clutch against Rafa in the final

TheTruth
05-02-2010, 06:40 PM
The biggest problem with Madrid was playing all 5 of Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Rome, Madrid, and the French. I couldnt imagine him skipping any of the previous 3 which is why I suggested Madrid. He did shockingly skip Barcelona so this thread is irrelevant now.

Absolutely, I knew Verdasco was going to run out of steam this week with Ferrer due to playing two finals in a row, and then getting to the semis of the third one. He was running on fumes.

That was a huge mistake for Rafa, so glad he's not repeating that.

CMM
05-04-2010, 05:24 AM
deleted post...

babbette
05-04-2010, 05:28 AM
posted here
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=326134

looks like big butt is going. :( Sad day for me. If I hear anything about the knees afterwards I swear....:evil::evil: