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Chris Rizutto
04-05-2010, 08:54 AM
Gees,

Fed, Nadal, Murray Djokovic all in slumps at the same time what a bummer. I can relate with that I stay in a slump.

KAndersonFan
04-05-2010, 08:55 AM
Their tennis careers are a metaphor, except it's actually happening

swordtennis
04-05-2010, 08:57 AM
I really dont think Nadal is slumping like the others. He is in good form 4 clay. He is getting into Semi and Quarters. He will most likely start winning titles now on clay with this good form. The others are not even coming close.

KAndersonFan
04-05-2010, 09:00 AM
I really dont think Nadal is slumping like the others. He is in good form 4 clay. He is getting into Semi and Quarters. He will most likely start winning titles now on clay with this good form. The others are not even coming close.

True, but he's also not beating top 10 players other than mental clown Tsonga. Once the top players start applying consistent attacking pressure on him, he folds. He'll prolly win the FO, but I don't think he'll completely dominate the clay season again.. too many players know they can beat him, even on clay.

Chris Rizutto
04-05-2010, 09:00 AM
I really dont think Nadal is slumping like the others. He is in good form 4 clay. He is getting into Semi and Quarters. He will most likely start winning titles now on clay with this good form. The others are not even coming close.

True, if he can get to the semis on a hardcourt tourney he will likely do better on clay and grass.

Chris Rizutto
04-05-2010, 09:01 AM
True, but he's also not beating top 10 players other than mental clown Tsonga. Once the top players start applying consistent attacking pressure on him, he folds. He'll prolly win the FO, but I don't think he'll completely dominate the clay season again.. too many players know they can beat him, even on clay.

What players know they can beat him on clay?

swordtennis
04-05-2010, 09:02 AM
Question:
U all think he will get favorable draws in the clay tournies?
I think he will win the French too. But your right there are more players out there who will not freeze up against him now so I can see more 3, 4 and 5 setters. Gonna be a fun clay season for sure. Like to see some big hitters winding it up!

KAndersonFan
04-05-2010, 09:07 AM
What players know they can beat him on clay?

Federer and Soderling, obviously. And Djokovic has gotten extremely close to doing it in the past. Davydenko has a leading H2H with Nadal (although not on clay), but I'm not sure if he'll even be ready for clay. Delpony has crushed Nadal in their last two meetings, and he has a bigger and more consistent game than Soderling.. with as many semis and quarters that he made on clay last year, Del Potro has proven he can more than handle the surface.

I don't think guys are afraid of him any more.

decades
04-05-2010, 09:08 AM
Gees,

Fed, Nadal, Murray Djokovic all in slumps at the same time what a bummer. I can relate with that I stay in a slump.

not just that. del po is out. And davy is injured. it was a great time for someone to step up.

Chris Rizutto
04-05-2010, 09:10 AM
Federer and Soderling, obviously. And Djokovic has gotten extremely close to doing it in the past. Davydenko has a leading H2H with Nadal (although not on clay), but I'm not sure if he'll even be ready for clay. Delpony has crushed Nadal in their last two meetings, and he has a bigger and more consistent game than Soderling.. with as many semis and quarters that he made on clay last year, Del Potro has proven he can more than handle the surface.

I don't think guys are afraid of him any more.

Are you kidding. Everyone is afraid of Rafa on clay.

Chris Rizutto
04-05-2010, 09:10 AM
not just that. del po is out. And davy is injured. it was a great time for someone to step up.

Yeah injuries to it sucks huh?

KAndersonFan
04-05-2010, 09:11 AM
Are you kidding. Everyone is afraid of Rafa on clay.

Yep, which is why he was blown out of the water by Soderling. Good call. :roll:

Chris Rizutto
04-05-2010, 09:12 AM
Yep, which is why he was blown out of the water by Soderling. Good call. :roll:

1 match dude did you forget about the other thousand matches he has one on clay or are you going to just think about 1 effing match?

swordtennis
04-05-2010, 09:15 AM
Are you kidding. Everyone is afraid of Rafa on clay.

Afraid? Not really afraid anymore. More like they respect him and what he can do on clay. But they dont seem to be stiffening up like a greek statue anymore when they face him and it gets tight. I have seen him win clay matches like 6-1, 6-2 and the opponent froze up like an iceberg. They could have at least made it closer if they fought. Not doing that as much the top guns.

KAndersonFan
04-05-2010, 09:16 AM
1 match dude did you forget about the other thousand matches he has one on clay or are you going to just think about 1 effing match?

Yep, I should probably refer to matches Nadal played in 2005, 2006 etc. instead of a MORE RECENT ONE which was HIGHLY SIGNIFICANT in terms of tennis history. Look, I already said, I think Nadal will be the victor in Paris, but to sustain the kind of dominance on clay that he has done in the past is just asking for your knees to break down.

swordtennis
04-05-2010, 09:16 AM
1 match dude did you forget about the other thousand matches he has one on clay or are you going to just think about 1 effing match?

You started a thread but now your blasting peoples answers. Are you looking for just one specific answer that you like and want? Nadal will do well on the clay ok?

KAndersonFan
04-05-2010, 09:23 AM
Nadal is 2-12 in his last fourteen meetings with opponents in the top ten. These kind of troubles have a tendency to bleed into areas where you think it should affect players the least (clay & Nadal, for example).

forzamilan90
04-05-2010, 09:33 AM
just wait till the french, the big guns will return to normalcy, even murray

Chris Rizutto
04-05-2010, 09:36 AM
You started a thread but now your blasting peoples answers. Are you looking for just one specific answer that you like and want? Nadal will do well on the clay ok?

No just reacting to nonsense here and there.

forzamilan90
04-05-2010, 09:37 AM
del potro from all the big guys though is in the biggest need of waking from the slump, french could be the stairway to heaven, but he needs to enter healthy

KAndersonFan
04-05-2010, 09:41 AM
No just reacting to nonsense here and there.

Ok, good strategy, call it nonsense instead of refuting anything I said. Troll tactics at their best.

Chris Rizutto
04-05-2010, 09:46 AM
Whatever and Kevin Anderson effing sucks.

KAndersonFan
04-05-2010, 09:48 AM
Whatever and Kevin Anderson effing sucks.

:lol: Man, you really ARE unhappy..good luck with your personal problems.

cknobman
04-05-2010, 10:13 AM
Whatever and Kevin Anderson effing sucks.

Although a little harsh I have to agree with you on this one.

Chris Rizutto
04-05-2010, 10:38 AM
Yeah sorry the guy wouldn't let up so I had to slam dunk him.

KAndersonFan
04-05-2010, 11:49 AM
Yeah sorry the guy wouldn't let up so I had to slam dunk him.

LOL, still haven't responded to ANYTHING RELEVANT TO THIS TOPIC. The following is a summery of what has so far transpired:

You: Nadal is UNBEATABLE ON CLAY.
Me: Well no, he has been beaten in the past and is vulnerable right now and looks like others aren't afraid, but he's still favorite for the french.
You: WELL THEY SHOULD BE AFRAID, HE'S WON LIKE A THOUSAND MATCHES ON CLAY SO STFU.
Me: Uh what?
You: KEVIN ANDERSON EFFING SUCKS!!!1!!1!one!1!!1

If you you're obsessed with how much Kevin Anderson sucks, start a thread about it. It's pretty bad when you're trolling your own thread. Idiot. :lol:

Chris Rizutto
04-05-2010, 11:56 AM
I wonder if any of these guys that are slumping are just so sick of playing that they couldn't possibly be winning. I realize its their livelihood but do they loathe it secretely?

AM95
04-05-2010, 01:33 PM
Gees,

Fed, Nadal, Murray Djokovic all in slumps at the same time what a bummer. I can relate with that I stay in a slump.

Federer is in a slump? You call winning the Australian Open a slump?

Chris Rizutto
04-05-2010, 01:37 PM
Federer is in a slump? You call winning the Australian Open a slump?

Currently.

coloskier
04-05-2010, 02:38 PM
Question:
U all think he will get favorable draws in the clay tournies?
I think he will win the French too. But your right there are more players out there who will not freeze up against him now so I can see more 3, 4 and 5 setters. Gonna be a fun clay season for sure. Like to see some big hitters winding it up!

Now that he is ranked 3rd, he will definitely get a better draw. The higher the seed, the better the draw. He just better hope that Sod isn't in his half. Sod now has the confidence to beat him on clay, to go along with the game. Many players have the skill to beat Nadal, but very few have the confidence to carry it out.

TheTruth
04-05-2010, 10:25 PM
Gees,

Fed, Nadal, Murray Djokovic all in slumps at the same time what a bummer. I can relate with that I stay in a slump.

True, they can't even take advantage of each other's slump.

Polaris
04-05-2010, 10:27 PM
Federer is in a slump? You call winning the Australian Open a slump?
:) People on TT have (extraordinarily) short term memories.

Chris Rizutto
04-06-2010, 06:38 AM
:) People on TT have (extraordinarily) short term memories.

Maybe so, there are so many tournaments. Sometimes you are wasted while posting, sometimes your wife is screeching in your ear, and sometimes recalling facts seems damn near impossible.

Can you relate?

Polaris
04-13-2010, 08:53 PM
Sometimes you are wasted while posting, sometimes your wife is screeching in your ear, and sometimes recalling facts seems damn near impossible.

Can you relate?
Yes, I can. Hope things become better soon.

Lsmkenpo
04-13-2010, 09:10 PM
What players know they can beat him on clay?

This guy seems to think he has a chance for some reason.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/05/31/article-0-0528E330000005DC-20_468x529.jpg
http://crackofdawn.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/29.jpg

Olorin
04-13-2010, 10:42 PM
Is Federer in a slump ? If so, I'm sure everyone wished they were in a similar predicament. After all, he did win the Australian Open.

Agassifan
04-13-2010, 10:44 PM
Only one of those guys has won anything this year.

namelessone
04-13-2010, 10:45 PM
Right now only Rafa,Djoker and Murray are in a slump. Federer is just chillin the best way he knows,by not giving his all in non-GS tourneys and cleaning up when GS come so to me he isn't slumping.

angiebaby
04-13-2010, 11:02 PM
This guy seems to think he has a chance for some reason.




I'm really baffled by this 'Soderling is Nadal's nemesis' mumbo jumbo. Do you guys really think Rafa is sitting in a corner somewhere rocking back and forth and whimpering at the mere mention of Soderling's name? It's ludicrous how many people trot out this nonsense.

EVERYONE has a chance against the top guys and there WILL be upsets and streaks will be ended. That's not just tennis, that's life. Sod's victory was a big deal but please put it into context. He is far, far from being a metaphorical achilles' heel for Nadal.

devila
04-14-2010, 01:24 AM
Federholics can't accept that he was lucky always.
That's why they cried forever after Canas beat him week after week,
without any matchplay in 2 years.

Mortifier
04-14-2010, 07:12 AM
Sod's victory was a big deal but please put it into context. He is far, far from being a metaphorical achilles' heel for Nadal.

To beat Nadal you need to believe in yourself, actually beating Nadal. The mental game is bigger than the tennis itself, and therefor Sod may be one of the few, unique players on tour that actually see themselves beating Rafa on clay.

I'd like to put him in the top 4 at beating Rafa on clay, along with Roggah, Djoker and Del Potro (due to the fact that he is good on clay, and that he has a similar gamestyle to Sod).

Lsmkenpo
04-14-2010, 01:31 PM
I'm really baffled by this 'Soderling is Nadal's nemesis' mumbo jumbo. Do you guys really think Rafa is sitting in a corner somewhere rocking back and forth and whimpering at the mere mention of Soderling's name? It's ludicrous how many people trot out this nonsense.

EVERYONE has a chance against the top guys and there WILL be upsets and streaks will be ended. That's not just tennis, that's life. Sod's victory was a big deal but please put it into context. He is far, far from being a metaphorical achilles' heel for Nadal.


I will attempt to explain why he and players with the same style are an achilles heal to Nadal.

You need some basic understanding of the technical aspects of the game to grasp this, tennis is about matchups, just as Nadal's style is a bad match up for Federer. The players who hit flat strokes and take away Nadal's time to setup to hit heavy topspin strokes are the bad matchups for Nadal.

These players would include: Soderling,Davydenko,Del Potro, Cilic, Aggressive Murray,Blake, Berdych,Nalbandian.
all can hit flat and take the ball early, as a result Nadal's forehand can be attacked by these players. His best weapon becomes a liabilty.

Soderling's high forehand is the best on tour, anything bouncing shoulder high he absolutely clobbers, this puts a lot of pressure on Nadal, to keep the ball deep against him, any short ball he hits Soderling steps into the court and hits a winner.
Nadal's basic strategy to hit topspin to the opponents backhand doesn't bother
Soderling and other tall players with 2 handed backhands at all. On top of that he has a 140mph serve. Finally we have Soderling's demeanor he is not in the least bit intimidated by Nadal's displays on court and will not allow Nadal to get his way so easily.

Nadal, like a coward, decided to take some shots at Soderling using the media. Soderling has been a man about it, stating if Nadal had a problem with him he should have came to him personally instead of talking to the press. Soderling has said some good things about Nadal recently, but I can tell you for certain there is no player on tour he loves to beat more than Nadal.
When they play it is personal.