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R.Federer
04-07-2010, 06:53 PM
http://siteground148.com/~mallorca/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=15134:toni-nadal-qrafa-ha-jugado-a-un-buen-nivelq&catid=16:tenis&Itemid=471

this is when nadal was banging his knee vs roddick

translated:I think he [Rafa] played at a high level. It was a pity losing to Ljubicic, where I think we needed more calmness to win the match, and then in Miami he had a problem with his left knee that prevented him from playing at its highest level. “

“Our intention is rest on Wednesday and Thursday. On Friday we’ll go to Monte Carlo. This stretch of the season has less wear on the body as clay is less taxing on the joints, but it’s also most important

decades
04-07-2010, 06:55 PM
every time he loses he is going to trot out the bad knee problem just like he did in Oz and now Miami. If you are out there playing then don't have any excuses. I like Rafa but the knee excuses are getting tiresome.

AM95
04-07-2010, 07:00 PM
i am so sick of this...

he needs to grow a pair and stop complaining. if he's that injured..do what del po did and skip tournaments..

drakulie
04-07-2010, 07:10 PM
I thought the excuse was his wisdom tooth this time around??

Then again, he'd look awfully dumb banging his face, the way he banged his knees.

CanadianChic
04-07-2010, 07:14 PM
every time he loses he is going to trot out the bad knee problem just like he did in Oz and now Miami. If you are out there playing then don't have any excuses. I like Rafa but the knee excuses are getting tiresome.

No more tiresome than the 'Mono' excuses or the 'too hot and dry' excuses. At least Roddick owns it when he eats too much fast food that cause his bowels to explode mid-match. I don't think Nadal was making an excuse...I think he was frustrated at a lingering injury.

TennisandMusic
04-07-2010, 07:15 PM
Haha...well go read the match thread vs. Roddick, I even stated during the match, something looked wrong, he wasn't moving to the balls like normal. Makes sense. But it's his own fault if he keeps getting hurt. He might as well be banging his face, it's practically just as dumb.

abraxas21
04-07-2010, 09:33 PM
This is what the article says btw... It's an interview to Toni Nadal.

I think he's played to a great level, let's say that of the top 4, he's been the most regular. It was a pity that he lost to Ljubicic where I think he lacked a bit of calm to win the match and then in Miami he had troubles with his left knee that didn't allow him to play to his best level

When asked by the issues with his knee, Toni Nadal stated that he doesn't believe the problems are too important and that starting on Wednesday they will try to trat at 100%. "Our goal is to fully train on Wednesday and Thursday. On Friday we will be leaving to MC. This part of the season is the one that's less phyisically demanding because players have to play on clay which is less dramatic for the joints, but it's also the most important period"

Following that, the coach of the Mallorca tennis player didn't rule out changing the treatment to avoid ijnuries in his knees, in case that problems remaing re-appearing during the present season. Finally, Toni Nadal stated that the equality in tennis is diminishing every day, and that proof of this were the bad results obtained by Federer, Djokovic and Murray en these past weeks in the USA, where none of the three managed to get into the final rounds.

decades
04-07-2010, 10:04 PM
No more tiresome than the 'Mono' excuses or the 'too hot and dry' excuses. At least Roddick owns it when he eats too much fast food that cause his bowels to explode mid-match. I don't think Nadal was making an excuse...I think he was frustrated at a lingering injury.

that's tough. he is a professional athlete. How long will he use his knee as an excuse. Why didn't the knee bother him when he was dismantling Tsonga? Nadal was running like a Gazelle vs Tsonga. It's only when he is losing does he look to his knee as an issue.

dmt
04-07-2010, 10:10 PM
he didnt even mention knees in the post match conference, he said roddick surprised him which is true. Uncle Toni is another story, just because he says something doesnt mean Nadal is saying it.

Nadal will (most likely) be fine for the clay court season, he loves it there.

namelessone
04-07-2010, 10:36 PM
Gotta love the knee jerk reactions and all the trolls pitching in to say that this is an excuse on Nadal's part when he DID NOT MENTION IT in his presser. I'm sorry for Rafa,that his body is breaking down but I'm sickened by all the trollish behaviour who will take any of Rafa's problems and make them "excuses" just so they can troll some more.

That being said,let's look at the issue at hand. My opinion is that Rafa can't go two consecutive HC tourneys without some problems anymore. It's sad but true. Rafa was moving great for about two weeks until his Roddick match when he looked sluggish from the end of the second onwards. As TennisandMusic said he had problems with his left knee,even going so far as to hit it in a changeover. Even with these new adjustments Rafa's knees can't take two weeks. That frustration you saw on the bench(besides him losing) was Rafa realising that his knee can't take it like in the old days.

Nadal's knee did not lose his roddick match(had roddick played a bit worse he could have lost),just like his stomach did not lose the delpo match. Ditto for his AO match wit Murray. They merely reduced his level somewhat and in the murray match it was at the end so it did not matter.

This is very frustrating for Rafa IMO and I don't see what he can do to make it better. He cut his practice short(yeah yeah he played doubles but that's less tiring than singles),he tried to play more aggressive tennis(in doha-AO-IW-Miami) and still he has had problems in two out of four tourneys this year(AO-Miami). And the worse part about this was the sudden-ness of it all. Rafa was moving great in AO,did a bad move on a dropper,boom right knee and out for two weeks. He moved good in Miami but in the semifinals his left knee this time did not respond like in the past(note:this might not be a injury,just a sign that Rafa's tendons aren't holding out,they are weakened).
Personally I think Rafa is still given painkillers and while I genuinely believe that he was feeling very good at the start of doha-AO-IW-Miami,as the tourney goes on and those knees get pounded on HC,problems start to arise.

The only solution to his knee issues is to take half a year-one year off and get surgery IMO. I mean,ok,let's say he goes through the clay season with no problems(whatever the results). Then he has grass(has to bend a lot) and after that it's HC all the way. How is he gonna handle that ?

OrangeOne
04-07-2010, 10:48 PM
Gotta love the knee jerk reactions

No puns intended, right?

The only solution to his knee issues is to take half a year-one year off and get surgery IMO. I mean,ok,let's say he goes through the clay season with no problems(whatever the results). Then he has grass(has to bend a lot) and after that it's HC all the way. How is he gonna handle that ?

Err, tendinitis-tendonosis is the widely agreed prognosis from what I'm aware. Neither related problem has surgical remedies from what I have read. Rest and non-invasive therapies are normally prescribed, making the first half of your 'treatment plan' viable - rest, but the second half - surgery - questionable.

Are you aware that the problem is somewhat different? Or are there surgical options i'm not aware of? Neither would surprise me, though if either were really the case, i'm surprised he hasn't opted for it earlier.

angiebaby
04-07-2010, 11:05 PM
he didnt even mention knees in the post match conference, he said roddick surprised him which is true. Uncle Toni is another story, just because he says something doesnt mean Nadal is saying it.

Nadal will (most likely) be fine for the clay court season, he loves it there.


Exactly. But people don't let the facts get in the way of a good ****ging off. :roll:

dmt
04-07-2010, 11:15 PM
every time he loses he is going to trot out the bad knee problem just like he did in Oz and now Miami. If you are out there playing then don't have any excuses. I like Rafa but the knee excuses are getting tiresome.

what excuses? Nadal DID NOT say anything about his knees in the post match conference. These comments were made by UNCLE TONI. last time i checked uncle toni and nadal are two different people. Just because Uncle Toni says something doesnt mean Nadal is saying it.

Lsmkenpo
04-07-2010, 11:31 PM
Gotta love the knee jerk reactions and all the trolls pitching in to say that this is an excuse on Nadal's part when he DID NOT MENTION IT in his presser. I'm sorry for Rafa,that his body is breaking down but I'm sickened by all the trollish behaviour who will take any of Rafa's problems and make them "excuses" just so they can troll some more.

That being said,let's look at the issue at hand. My opinion is that Rafa can't go two consecutive HC tourneys without some problems anymore. It's sad but true. Rafa was moving great for about two weeks until his Roddick match when he looked sluggish from the end of the second onwards. As TennisandMusic said he had problems with his left knee,even going so far as to hit it in a changeover. Even with these new adjustments Rafa's knees can't take two weeks. That frustration you saw on the bench(besides him losing) was Rafa realising that his knee can't take it like in the old days.

Nadal's knee did not lose his roddick match(had roddick played a bit worse he could have lost),just like his stomach did not lose the delpo match. Ditto for his AO match wit Murray. They merely reduced his level somewhat and in the murray match it was at the end so it did not matter.

This is very frustrating for Rafa IMO and I don't see what he can do to make it better. He cut his practice short(yeah yeah he played doubles but that's less tiring than singles),he tried to play more aggressive tennis(in doha-AO-IW-Miami) and still he has had problems in two out of four tourneys this year(AO-Miami). And the worse part about this was the sudden-ness of it all. Rafa was moving great in AO,did a bad move on a dropper,boom right knee and out for two weeks. He moved good in Miami but in the semifinals his left knee this time did not respond like in the past(note:this might not be a injury,just a sign that Rafa's tendons aren't holding out,they are weakened).
Personally I think Rafa is still given painkillers and while I genuinely believe that he was feeling very good at the start of doha-AO-IW-Miami,as the tourney goes on and those knees get pounded on HC,problems start to arise.

The only solution to his knee issues is to take half a year-one year off and get surgery IMO. I mean,ok,let's say he goes through the clay season with no problems(whatever the results). Then he has grass(has to bend a lot) and after that it's HC all the way. How is he gonna handle that ?

Boo Hoo! Just as bad as the *******s who act as if Nadal is the only player on tour who ever has an injury that effects performance.

He has tendonitis, join the club,half the players on tour have it at one time or another.

Roddick had a more serious knee injury than Nadal just a few months ago,a partial tear of his MCL yet I don't see him or his coach whining about it now.

I think Roddick's knee was hurting him the first set otherwise he would have won in 2.

namelessone
04-07-2010, 11:47 PM
Boo Hoo! Just as bad as the *******s who act as if Nadal is the only player on tour who ever has an injury that effects performance.

He has tendonitis, join the club,half the players on tour have it at one time or another.

Roddick had a more serious knee injury than Nadal just a few months ago,a partial tear of his MCL yet I don't see him or his coach whining about it now.

I think Roddick's knee was hurting him the first set otherwise he would have won in 2.

Right on time with another oh so classic comment.

Yeah,he has tendonitis in his KNEES. Both of them. For the last three years or so(he had it in one knee at first). And he is heavily dependent on his movement so you can see how this is a problem. And he plays 60% of the time on HC. So again,you can see how this is a problem.

Others have injuries as well but Nadal's have been constant and have been nagging him since he was a teenager. He has been the most injured high profile player in the last 5 years or so. Constantly taking breaks because of his problems(missed the whole clay season in 04'),missing three GS by age 23(RG 04',AO 06',WB 09'),almost always having problems either at the end or the beginning of the season and so on. Other high profile players have had nagging problems in the last few years but they have healed themselves and moved on or had certain advantages in their game which allowed them to overcome their problems(example: a good serve can easy tendinitis because it help you win free points,thus shortening matches thus giving your tendons more rest). There have been guys who have had worse injuries than Rafa but they weren't close to Rafa's level(in the top two for five years running) when they started having problems. They were more guys on the rise who had their careers stopped at the worse times because of injuries(see haas,nalbandian).

Nadal is a top guy who is struggling with this thing because he is a guy of groundstrokes and nothing else and he is forced to play on knee pounding HC 2/3 of the year.

It is easier to deal with injuries(well somewhat easier,injuries are still a pain in the ***) when you are near the top10-top20 or even further than it is to deal with them CONSTANTLY when you are the nr.3(and former nr.2 player for four years+nr.1 for almost a year) in the world. People have high expectations,you know you have to win titles but at the same time you have to keep yourself healthy enough to achieve these things. Nadal's problems isn't that he is losing matches and confidence,it is that he is losing tourneys while his body can't go for more than two HC tourneys before his knees give in(doha-AO-injury-IW-Miami-left knee problems according to tony). It is easier to deal with losses when you are healthy at the end of the day.

Lsmkenpo
04-08-2010, 12:05 AM
Right on time with another oh so classic comment.

Yeah,he has tendonitis in his KNEES. Both of them. For the last three years or so(he had it in one knee at first). And he is heavily dependent on his movement so you can see how this is a problem. And he plays 60% of the time on HC. So again,you can see how this is a problem.

Others have injuries as well but Nadal's have been constant and have been nagging him since he was a teenager. He has been the most injured high profile player in the last 5 years or so. Constantly taking breaks because of his problems(missed the whole clay season in 04'),missing three GS by age 23(RG 04',AO 06',WB 09'),almost always having problems either at the end or the beginning of the season and so on. Other high profile players have had nagging problems in the last few years but they have healed themselves and moved on or had certain advantages in their game which allowed them to overcome their problems(example: a good serve can easy tendinitis because it help you win free points,thus shortening matches thus giving your tendons more rest). There have been guys who have had worse injuries than Rafa but they weren't close to Rafa's level(in the top two for five years running) when they started having problems. They were more guys on the rise who had their careers stopped at the worse times because of injuries(see haas,nalbandian).

Nadal is a top guy who is struggling with this thing because he is a guy of groundstrokes and nothing else and he is forced to play on knee pounding HC 2/3 of the year.

It is easier to deal with injuries(well somewhat easier,injuries are still a pain in the ***) when you are near the top10-top20 or even further than it is to deal with them CONSTANTLY when you are the nr.3(and former nr.2 player for four years+nr.1 for almost a year) in the world. People have high expectations,you know you have to win titles but at the same time you have to keep yourself healthy enough to achieve these things. Nadal's problems isn't that he is losing matches and confidence,it is that he is losing tourneys while his body can't go for more than two HC tourneys before his knees give in(doha-AO-injury-IW-Miami-left knee problems according to tony). It is easier to deal with losses when you are healthy at the end of the day.

Sorry, I disagree, majority of your post is ridiculous, somehow you seem to think Nadal's higher ranking makes his injuries more significant than any other players, this is a borderline *******istic.

Nadal's injuries are minor compared to a lot of other players, those other players seem to be able to handle it easier than your boy.

I get a feeling from the way you think you just don't follow the rest of the tour as closely as you do Nadal, otherwise you would know how many top ten players have serious injuries which effect their play the entire year, you just focus on Nadal and buy into to all the media overhype far too much, step back and take a broader look at the picture for a change.

rafan
04-08-2010, 12:15 AM
Any Rafa watcher will know that Roddick did not play that incredibly well. I have seen a few in the top hundred give the top ten a very similar go over so something happened in the last set that made it obvious Rafa could not get up to his first set standard - and no it wasn't Roddick

CMM
04-08-2010, 12:23 AM
Sorry, I disagree, majority of your post is ridiculous, somehow you seem to think Nadal's higher ranking makes his injuries more significant than any other players, this is a borderline *******istic.

Yes, it does. I don't see any thread about Davydenko's injuries. Or about any other player. Keep in mind that this thread was started by a Federer fan, but at the same time they are the ones who complain about Nadal's fans talking too much about his injuries.
If someone is tired of "Nadal's constant excuses", ignore them!

Lsmkenpo
04-08-2010, 12:35 AM
Yes, it does. I don't see any thread about Davydenko's injuries. Or about any other player. Keep in mind that this thread was started by a Federer fan, but at the same time they are the ones who complain about Nadal's fans talking too much about his injuries.
If someone is tired of "Nadal's constant excuses", ignore them!

No, you fail to grasp the point, being popular does not make any injury more significant or worse than another players from a performance standpoint.

It is only more significant in the mind of that fans favorite, not in reality. Whether the player is Rafa or Roger or any other fan favorite.

The hype surrounding the player escalates the issue past the point of reason.

namelessone
04-08-2010, 12:36 AM
Sorry, I disagree, majority of your post is ridiculous, somehow you seem to think Nadal's higher ranking makes his injuries more significant than any other players, this is a borderline *******istic.

Nadal's injuries are minor compared to a lot of other players, those other players seem to be able to handle it easier than your boy.

I get a feeling from the way you think you just don't follow the rest of the tour as closely as you do Nadal, otherwise you would know how many top ten players have serious injuries which effect their play the entire year, you just focus on Nadal and buy into to all the media overhype far too much, step back and take a broader look at the picture for a change.

I had no idea Rafa was my son:)

Nadal's injuries are minor. Yeah,everyone has tendinits. But with Nadal it affects his main strength,groundstrokes and movements. Roddick,Venus also have tendinits but they have great serves. Did you like how Soderling was serving when he had troubles with his elbow?

Let me see the big picture:

delpo: already had a big break,USO,is now injured but will probably get back before RG with a lot of hunger.

davydenko: had the best year of his life probably in 09,the height of that being TMC. Got a bad break with the wrist and but he will probably come back just as delpo.

Soderling had problems in the beginning of 2010.

Federer had a bug which he caught in Africa but is now over it and will probably kick *** again soon.

You are right regarding one thing: I don't follow most guys injuries,just the top guys and I can safely say that Nadal has suffered most because of his injuries throughout his career,not to mention the year that passed. Davy got his,DelPo won USO,Fed got everything he wanted in 2009,Soderling too. Regardless of their problems now they had a good year. Nadal had a crap year and now has problems AGAIN,the same problem he had before,which just won't go away.

Tehnically,there are guys who have had it worse,who had major surgery but who are alive and kicking afterwards. Nadal has to deal with this while playing,knowing that it can come back at any time to affect his biggest strength and knowing that there isn't much he can do about it. And he has to do it while struggling to go for nr.2 again,on HC most of the time. And again,it does matter where you are in the ranking because it determines how much you fall and it puts pressure on you. A good analogy would be roddick having a condition which affects his serve if he plays too much and if 2/3 of the tour would be played on clay.

It is one thing to have a problematic condition while you aren't cutting the top20 and not making it far into tourneys and quite another to have to deal with this constantly while people are expecting titles on all surfaces from you,not to mention getting your nr.2 ranking back(if not nr.1). The height of the fall matters so to speak.

Oh,and another thing: Nadal's situation is particularly painful for him because he is gonna be 24 this year. Sure,his knees may be older,but Rafa does not seem to see it this way. If we were talking about a 26-27 year old who was slipping in the rankings because of injuries,then it would not be a big deal. But this is a guy who is one year older that djoker/murray(who are relatively healthy) and he has already had many,many stops in his career.

CMM
04-08-2010, 12:47 AM
being popular does not make any injury more significant or worse than another players from a performance standpoint.

And where did I say that it does? :neutral:
All I'm saying is that people who are tired of Nadal making excuses or talking about injuries, should find something else to do and not start threads about that, since apparently it bothers them so much.

Lsmkenpo
04-08-2010, 01:07 AM
I had no idea Rafa was my son:)

Nadal's injuries are minor. Yeah,everyone has tendinits. But with Nadal it affects his main strength,groundstrokes and movements. Roddick,Venus also have tendinits but they have great serves. Did you like how Soderling was serving when he had troubles with his elbow?

Let me see the big picture:

delpo: already had a big break,USO,is now injured but will probably get back before RG with a lot of hunger.

davydenko: had the best year of his life probably in 09,the height of that being TMC. Got a bad break with the wrist and but he will probably come back just as delpo.

Soderling had problems in the beginning of 2010.

Federer had a bug which he caught in Africa but is now over it and will probably kick *** again soon.

You are right regarding one thing: I don't follow most guys injuries,just the top guys and I can safely say that Nadal has suffered most because of his injuries throughout his career,not to mention the year that passed. Davy got his,DelPo won USO,Fed got everything he wanted in 2009,Soderling too. Regardless of their problems now they had a good year. Nadal had a crap year and now has problems AGAIN,the same problem he had before,which just won't go away.

Tehnically,there are guys who have had it worse,who had major surgery but who are alive and kicking afterwards. Nadal has to deal with this while playing,knowing that it can come back at any time to affect his biggest strength and knowing that there isn't much he can do about it. And he has to do it while struggling to go for nr.2 again,on HC most of the time. And again,it does matter where you are in the ranking because it determines how much you fall and it puts pressure on you. A good analogy would be roddick having a condition which affects his serve if he plays too much and if 2/3 of the tour would be played on clay.

It is one thing to have a problematic condition while you aren't cutting the top20 and not making it far into tourneys and quite another to have to deal with this constantly while people are expecting titles on all surfaces from you,not to mention getting your nr.2 ranking back(if not nr.1). The height of the fall matters so to speak.

Two different perspectives, I surmise that you feel injuries are the only thing keeping Nadal from winning more majors on surfaces other than clay and returning to 2008 level.

I on the other hand believe the small loss of performance would make little difference in the outcome at this point in time, Nadal overachieved in 2008, it was a great year but not the constant he should be judged against.

I don't expect 2008 performance from Nadal.
That was his best , he has now leveled off and the field has risen substantially, there are now many more players who are a legitimate threat to beat him than in 2008.It is not all due to the play of Nadal or any injury he may or may not have. Players other than Nadal and Roger can and do improve, change is eminent.

Lsmkenpo
04-08-2010, 01:14 AM
And where did I say that it does? :neutral:
All I'm saying is that people who are tired of Nadal making excuses or talking about injuries, should find something else to do and not start threads about that, since apparently it bothers them so much.

Yes, because his team clearly does not want the fans or public to know or talk about it, since they keep it such a secret.

I could see your point if not for the fact that they constantly bring it to attention in the media.

It is all in how you take it, I don't see it as an attack on Nadal, when his team is the one giving out the info.

CMM
04-08-2010, 01:31 AM
Yes, because his team clearly does not want the fans or public to know or talk about it, since they keep it such a secret.

I could see your point if not for the fact that they constantly bring it to attention in the media.

It is all in how you take it, I don't see it as an attack on Nadal, when his team is the one giving out the info.

They don't have to keep it a secret because his fans want to know what's happening to him.
If you're not interested in this, you should simply ignore it.

Lsmkenpo
04-08-2010, 02:01 AM
They don't have to keep it a secret because his fans want to know what's happening to him.
If you're not interested in this, you should simply ignore it.

Ok, you want Nadal fans to take interest in it, but any other fans should ignore it, do you ignore any injury or perceived excuse you may hear from other players, or do you only follow Nadal? The info is for fans of the game not solely for Nadal fans, the general tennis fan is not as polarized as hardcore fans on this board.

Spider
04-08-2010, 03:23 AM
Nothing is wrong with him. I saw the match and he was perfectly fine. Nadal said after the match that he was fine and there is nothing wrong with him. Toni Nadal has this tendency to make excuses for every Nadal match. Therefore most of us don't take his comments or interviews seriously.

Nadal is winning atleast 3 events from Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Rome and French Open. You can bank on that.

Markov
04-08-2010, 07:32 AM
knee knee knee knee knee....

swordtennis
04-08-2010, 09:22 AM
This is hilarious. WTH! This BS excuse thing still coming out of the Nadal camp?
I have never seen this type of behavior since I have been watching tennis with my Gandpa in the 70's.
Something is definately amiss on the Fantasy Island.
Lsmkenpo has logical answers. Logic good.
Well he looked darn good to me. Roddick just played a smart and tactically logical game plan. If Nadal is hurt its because of Andy punishing him on the court. Oh well.
Just take this stuff with a grain of salt with the Nadal camp. Nothing can be taken seriously.
LOL!

swordtennis
04-08-2010, 09:24 AM
Nothing is wrong with him. I saw the match and he was perfectly fine. Nadal said after the match that he was fine and there is nothing wrong with him. Toni Nadal has this tendency to make excuses for every Nadal match. Therefore most of us don't take his comments or interviews seriously.

Nadal is winning atleast 3 events from Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Rome and French Open. You can bank on that.

Xactly. Just watch the "injuries" will be miraculously all gone as soon as he wins a big tourney. Bet on it!
:)

CMM
04-08-2010, 09:34 AM
This is hilarious.
If you think that injuries are a funny thing, you have a problem.

swordtennis
04-08-2010, 09:41 AM
If you think that injuries are a funny thing, you have a problem.

It is the excuses after losses that are humorous.
I have had massive amounts of injuries. Also tendinitis in both knees. Right now I am healing from a 3rd degree bruise and 1st degree muscle tear in my quad from snowboarding. Leg filled up like baloon with blood. all the way down to my ankles. Leg turned black with blood.
Yep real funny.
But I aint making excuses. Also had all my wisdom teeth pulled. No painkillers and no mouthpiece.
Real funny.

OKUSA
04-08-2010, 09:51 AM
maybe nadal should do some leg strengthening exercises, whatever he is doing now isn't working. time to change it up toni

CMM
04-08-2010, 09:55 AM
It is the excuses after losses that are humorous.

I agree...

Q: A la fin du match, c'était quasiment obscur. Regrettez-vous que le match n'ait pas été interrompu ?

R: "C'était impossible de jouer. C'est dur pour moi, de perdre le plus grand tournoi du monde sur une question de lumière. Mais c'est comme ça... (...) Je ne voyais presque plus contre qui je jouais."

http://www.france24.com/fr/20080707-tennis-wimbledon-federer-finale-defaite-nadal

swordtennis
04-08-2010, 10:01 AM
Its his camp. Not Rafa Nadal! I stated that many times. Very rarely do I have a problem with Nadal. I back him up and give him props especially during clay season.
Its his camp and that uncle Toni. Something about that Uncle Toni dude. Not sure what it is...something shady.

namelessone
04-08-2010, 10:50 AM
Its his camp. Not Rafa Nadal! I stated that many times. Very rarely do I have a problem with Nadal. I back him up and give him props especially during clay season.
Its his camp and that uncle Toni. Something about that Uncle Toni dude. Not sure what it is...something shady.

Definitely something shady going on:)

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7805/tiotony.jpg

Markov
04-08-2010, 11:03 AM
Its his camp. Not Rafa Nadal! I stated that many times. Very rarely do I have a problem with Nadal. I back him up and give him props especially during clay season.
Its his camp and that uncle Toni. Something about that Uncle Toni dude. Not sure what it is...something shady.

It's funny how I've been thinking about that exactly same Uncle Toni thing.. He's suspicious in some way. He's very similar to "world's best soccer coach" Jose Mourinho.

swordtennis
04-08-2010, 11:14 AM
It's funny how I've been thinking about that exactly same Uncle Toni thing.. He's suspicious in some way. He's very similar to "world's best soccer coach" Jose Mourinho.

4 sure. Uncle Toni compares to Mourinho. I have always wondered if Uncle Toni has pressured Nadal into things that are not good for him and his future. It would not surprise me. He is like those tennis parents who will run their kids into the ground all for the sake of glory. Do anything at any cost kinda thing.

TheNatural
04-09-2010, 12:08 PM
Nadal looked like he was at half pace v Roddick. He chased down a lob at jogging speed to protect the knee, so something must've been up..

JennyS
04-09-2010, 01:05 PM
Why does Toni always seem to know more about the state of Rafa's knees than Rafa himself?

angiebaby
04-09-2010, 02:10 PM
Why does Toni always seem to know more about the state of Rafa's knees than Rafa himself?


Surely you meant to say, 'why does Toni seem to say more about the state of Rafa;s knees than Rafa himself?' :-|

sureshs
04-09-2010, 02:14 PM
If Nadal can reach semifinals with a bum knee and a toothache, Fed better watch out in the clay season.

JoshDragon
04-09-2010, 02:38 PM
http://siteground148.com/~mallorca/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=15134:toni-nadal-qrafa-ha-jugado-a-un-buen-nivelq&catid=16:tenis&Itemid=471

this is when nadal was banging his knee vs roddick

translated:I think he [Rafa] played at a high level. It was a pity losing to Ljubicic, where I think we needed more calmness to win the match, and then in Miami he had a problem with his left knee that prevented him from playing at its highest level. “

“Our intention is rest on Wednesday and Thursday. On Friday we’ll go to Monte Carlo. This stretch of the season has less wear on the body as clay is less taxing on the joints, but it’s also most important

No, I don't think injuries cost Nadal the match. Roddick just played great and sometimes you get outplayed. Even by players, you should normally beat. Obviously that's what happened with Ljubo.

IMO, injuries had nothing to do with Nadal losing. He was just outplayed. I think he'll do great in the clay court season though.

ruerooo
04-09-2010, 04:41 PM
i am so sick of this...

he needs to grow a pair and stop complaining. if he's that injured..do what del po did and skip tournaments..

I can't even believe I'm getting in this discussion but ...

the man skipped Wimbledon when he was the defending champion.

I don't know if you've ever dealt with tendinitis, but it's something that's chronic. That means it doesn't go away.
:roll:

NamRanger
04-09-2010, 05:07 PM
I can't even believe I'm getting in this discussion but ...

the man skipped Wimbledon when he was the defending champion.

I don't know if you've ever dealt with tendinitis, but it's something that's chronic. That means it doesn't go away.
:roll:



lol, he skipped Wimbledon because a little tendon inflamation in his knees. That's a good one. Goran had a busted shoulder and still won Wimbledon.

Anaconda
04-09-2010, 05:11 PM
^^^Muster got ran over.

Anyways i don't think for 1 second Nadal was injured. Ljubicic played awsome and Roddick was having a good day at the office.

CanadianChic
04-09-2010, 07:15 PM
that's tough. he is a professional athlete. How long will he use his knee as an excuse. Why didn't the knee bother him when he was dismantling Tsonga? Nadal was running like a Gazelle vs Tsonga. It's only when he is losing does he look to his knee as an issue.

I disagree.

abmk
04-09-2010, 08:10 PM
oh no ! quit whining, will ya, uncle tony ? this is getting ridiculous, injury excuses whenever he loses !!!! why don't we hear about any of these when he is winning ?

Cesc Fabregas
04-10-2010, 01:40 AM
lol, he skipped Wimbledon because a little tendon inflamation in his knees. That's a good one. Goran had a busted shoulder and still won Wimbledon.

Goran had never won Wimbledon, if he had a Wimbledon title he wouldn't have played.

reversef
04-10-2010, 01:44 AM
oh no ! quit whining, will ya, uncle tony ? this is getting ridiculous, injury excuses whenever he loses !!!! why don't we hear about any of these when he is winning ?

Actually, you hear about this even when he wins. We learned he won matches with injections, then had to stop.
He really had something in his knees in Miami. Look at his outburst. Since I can't understand Catalan, I couldn't understand that he was talking about his knees. But now, we got subtitles. It's very clear.
Besides that, Nadal is not the only player who gets many injuries. A lot of players are injury prone and it's normal: the game is tough. Some players could have built a wonderful career but were stopped by injuries and never recovered.
Nadal has already played more than 500 matches at a very high level. He's injury prone, has always been and will get more and more with the years and the mileage.
Nadal's fans know or should know that the injuries are a real problem for him and know or should know that his career will be short. We have known it from the beginning of his career.
And the non fans know it. I'm sure that the problem for some people is that he's still there. I know that you would have liked to see him disappear at 21 years old. It didn't happen, sorry for you.
Let's get real : he's really plagued by injuries. Not that he is the only one. I'm sure that at the end of their career, when you will compare Nadal to Del Potro, the player whose career will have suffered from injuries the most won't be Rafa.

Tdot
04-10-2010, 02:08 AM
Rafa was running around the court like a bunny during the Roddick match. I saw no hickups in his movements whatsoever. Injuries ? Pfft, uncle Tony can kiss my ***.

reversef
04-10-2010, 02:11 AM
Rafa was running around the court like a bunny during the Roddick match. I saw no hickups in his movements whatsoever. Injuries ? Pfft, uncle Tony can kiss my ***.

No, he was not moving well at all and moved worse and worse as the match went by.

Anaconda
04-10-2010, 02:52 AM
Here's what Nadal fans think happen

1) He came out swinging in the Miami SF.
2) Completely dominates the first set.
3) Nadal gets injured
4) Nadal proceedes to lose, because of this 'bad' leg.

However i like to live in reality, and his losses to Ljubicic and Roddick were down to them raising there games and not going away. Of course people will disagree with me but i didn't see Nadal hurting; i saw his opponents stepping up and winning.

I don't blame Nadal fans for making excuses. I've made excuses for Safin's career. Hell the Feddie fans are still blaming his loss at the 2008 Wimbledon final on his monoglandular fever.

All-rounder
04-10-2010, 04:31 AM
No, he was not moving well at all and moved worse and worse as the match went by.
So what happened to his movement against Tsonga????? :roll:

DRII
04-10-2010, 06:45 AM
There are obvious Nadal haters here and to reason with them is nearly futile.

Essentially given Nadal's physical ailments injuries condition, he will have to learn to play more efficiently to consistently threaten to win on hardcourts again.

Clay and grass should be easier for him.

We all know health is apart of the game but I hate when it overshadows talent and ability. I wish all the players were healthy all the time then we could see who is really the best. Naive pipe dream, I know...

DRII
04-10-2010, 06:46 AM
Sorry. Repeat

Carsomyr
04-10-2010, 11:08 AM
There are obvious Nadal haters here and to reason with them is nearly futile.

Essentially given Nadal's physical ailments injuries condition, he will have to learn to play more efficiently to consistently threaten to win on hardcourts again.

Clay and grass should be easier for him.

We all know health is apart of the game but I hate when it overshadows talent and ability. I wish all the players were healthy all the time then we could see who is really the best. Naive pipe dream, I know...

The best player in the world is the guy who has been number one in the world for five of the past six years.

Tdot
04-10-2010, 02:14 PM
No, he was not moving well at all and moved worse and worse as the match went by.

I don't know what match you watched but in the match playing Roddick, he was running like an energizer bunny.

Face it, he was outplayed by Roddick.

Slazenger07
04-13-2010, 02:10 PM
what excuses? Nadal DID NOT say anything about his knees in the post match conference. These comments were made by UNCLE TONI. last time i checked uncle toni and nadal are two different people. Just because Uncle Toni says something doesnt mean Nadal is saying it.

Exactly, you guys need to read before making comments. Nadal doesnt make excuses, he's not a whiner like Djokovic, Nadal wins matches and if he's not winning his opponent probably played great.

Justdoit10
04-13-2010, 07:10 PM
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/5456/screenshot20100413at101.png

Semi-Pro
04-13-2010, 07:25 PM
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/5456/screenshot20100413at101.png

I'm liking those photo shop skills. Oh, and Nadal's slick back flow.

Justdoit10
04-13-2010, 07:29 PM
I'm liking those photo shop skills. Oh, and Nadal's slick back flow.
Thanks a lot, sir. Im working on em. I believe this is one of the most versatile pictures on earth. It can be used for anything. :lol:

Rjtennis
04-13-2010, 08:52 PM
Uncle Toni should not try to cheapen Roddick's win. I don't think Rafa could say with a straitght face that he lost that match because of an injury. He movement was not hampered in the match, Roddick just played aggresive and took it to him. He served well and executed a strategy that works against Nadal.

OddJack
04-13-2010, 09:21 PM
Left knee, right knee, abdomen muscle, tendinitis, confidence, second serve, short balls...

The problem is not one or two.

Roddicks H2h on HC before that match was 2-2, so it's not like Nadal owned him before he was injured.