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Gustavo Kuerten
04-08-2010, 07:31 AM
HOUSTON -- Eduardo Schwank was fined $1,000 for his erratic and unusual play after losing 6-1, 6-7 (5), 6-1 to fellow Argentine Juan Ignacio Chela in the second round of the U.S. Men's Clay Court Championships.

Schwank, the seventh seed, says a back problem caused him to use numerous drop shots and lobs in his Wednesday match. The crowd booed him after he foot-faulted on match point.

"The problem with my back, it affected me mentally so it didn't help the match," Schwank said through an interpreter. "I was doing drop shots to shorten the point so to not exert my back so much and also to make him run and get him tired."

Chela said it was difficult to play at such an inconsistent pace.

"It's hard to keep concentration when two points are very well played and two points are poorly played," Chela said through an interpreter. "He kept doing those drop shots so it was really hard to focus. I tried to stay on course and play my best tennis."

Schwank said his back had bothered him for a few days. He planned to return home and expects to play at Barcelona.

"Well I don't like to retire, that's why I just played until the end," Schwank said. "For me it was the same, retiring or not. At the end it's the same. I'd rather stay on the court and lose on court."

Chela disagreed with the strategy.

"I think if you have any sort of pain, where you don't feel well and aren't able to give 100 percent on the court, it's better to just retire," he said.That's pretty ******** stuff from the ATP, if you ask me... Why shouldn't a player be able to choose his own game plan?

Markov
04-08-2010, 07:37 AM
That's really weird. I think the ATP is doing that because they want to keep the spectators (get money)

TooTallIvo
04-08-2010, 07:50 AM
Would like to see what rule he broke. There are no rules concerning style.

drakulie
04-08-2010, 07:53 AM
LOL, Chela has a hard time against pushers. Perhaps he should read some of the advice given here on TW on how to beat these type of players. Hehehe.

Anyway, I don't see how the ATP could justify fining Schwank, being that he broke no rules.

rudester
04-08-2010, 08:00 AM
Are drop shots not part of the game, who knows when another shot could fall into disfavor, overhead smash? swing volley? Bad Precedent.

woodrow1029
04-08-2010, 08:07 AM
Well that article doesn't really tell the whole story.

What I heard is that he was hitting full swing drop shots on return of serves and then in the last game was just deliberately sailing balls way out. Then on match point, he was called for a foot fault on first serve. So on the second serve, he stepped way into the court (like both feet) to deliberately foot fault to lose the match. So, it was definitely a fine based on the "best efforts" conduct violation.

h) Best Efforts

i)
A player shall use his best efforts during the match when competing in a tournament.
Violation of this section shall subject a player to a fine up to $10,000
for each violation.
ii)

For purposes of this rule, the supervisor and/or the chair umpire shall have
the authority to penalize a player in accordance with the Point Penalty
Schedule. In circumstances that are flagrant and particularly injurious to the
success of a tournament, or are singularly egregious, a single violation of this
section shall also constitute the player Major Offense of Aggravated Behavior.

mandy01
04-08-2010, 08:11 AM
^^ thanks for the explanation woodrow.Definitely clears things up.

drakulie
04-08-2010, 08:28 AM
Well that article doesn't really tell the whole story.

What I heard is that he was hitting full swing drop shots on return of serves and then in the last game was just deliberately sailing balls way out. Then on match point, he was called for a foot fault on first serve. So on the second serve, he stepped way into the court (like both feet) to deliberately foot fault to lose the match. So, it was definitely a fine based on the "best efforts" conduct violation.

h) Best Efforts

i)
A player shall use his best efforts during the match when competing in a tournament.

Violation of this section shall subject a player to a fine up to $10,000
for each violation.
ii)



For purposes of this rule, the supervisor and/or the chair umpire shall have

the authority to penalize a player in accordance with the Point Penalty
Schedule. In circumstances that are flagrant and particularly injurious to the
success of a tournament, or are singularly egregious, a single violation of this


section shall also constitute the player Major Offense of Aggravated Behavior.




well, I wish the ATP would take a hard stance like this on players who purposely violate the time rule.

Schwank easily has a case to beat this, being that he said he was injured. Therefore, he could claim he was giving it his best efforts.

drakulie
04-08-2010, 08:29 AM
agreed. the ATP needs to pull its head out of its ***. as long as those shots are legal, who cares if he uses them more often than normal? maybe Chela should not be such a mental midget, the atp should fine HIM for lack of mental effort.


LOL. Imagine giving him a fine for being a mental midget, and as a result, not giving his "best effort".

defrule
04-08-2010, 08:42 AM
Right idea but executed poorly. If you're looking to fight to the end, fight, not hand it away.

Sentinel
04-08-2010, 09:06 AM
They should start fining Federer and Rafa for losing. Period.

Djokovicfan4life
04-08-2010, 09:09 AM
They should start fining Federer and Rafa for losing. Period.

Novak hasn't exactly been a winning machine either. Time for the ATP to take action. $1000 for every double fault/first serve missed by more than 4 feet.

drakulie
04-08-2010, 09:13 AM
^^^ or fining rafa for every butt pick. :)

Max G.
04-08-2010, 09:17 AM
well, I wish the ATP would take a hard stance like this on players who purposely violate the time rule.

Schwank easily has a case to beat this, being that he said he was injured. Therefore, he could claim he was giving it his best efforts.

No. Injured or not, there's no way you can claim that stepping a foot inside the line to deliberately footfault on matchpoint is "giving his best effort."

Anaconda
04-08-2010, 09:24 AM
ATP are a joke. Let's just fine player like Gulbis for just hitting flat shots. Let's fine Roddick for slicing too much.

Maybe the guys down at the ATP will go into coaching and tell them how to play. :roll:

Gorecki
04-08-2010, 09:35 AM
ATP should fine Karlo for blasting 70 aces per match. clearly not giving his best effort...

Anaconda
04-08-2010, 09:36 AM
Safin has been fined a few times for 'not trying' during his career. Also picked up a few warnings in matches too.

hyperwarrior
04-08-2010, 09:36 AM
ATP should fine Karlo for blasting 70 aces per match. clearly not giving his best effort...

TW should ban gorecki for this ugly avatar!

Gorecki
04-08-2010, 09:42 AM
TW should ban gorecki for this ugly avatar!

:(

really?

it the cover of one of the greatest world music record of all time (imho)

"La Llorona", by the late "Lhasa de Sela"...

joeri888
04-08-2010, 10:01 AM
He was injured in his back he said. I think it's great he went out there and played a tactic.

Jchurch
04-08-2010, 10:20 AM
:(

really?

it the cover of one of the greatest world music record of all time (imho)

"La Llorona", by the late "Lhasa de Sela"...

The cover doesn't equate to the quality of the music all the time. And yes that cover is ugly.

Gorecki
04-08-2010, 10:26 AM
The cover doesn't equate to the quality of the music all the time. And yes that cover is ugly.

well... it is kind of a homage to her since her death was one of the big losses of this year so far imo.

but lets get back on topic...

rk_sports
04-08-2010, 10:31 AM
Now this brings a good old debate .. to retire or play until the end? I think in few polls the TW'ers voted to play until the end..here is one effects of that.. isn't it? ;)

"Well I don't like to retire, that's why I just played until the end," Schwank said. "For me it was the same, retiring or not. At the end it's the same. I'd rather stay on the court and lose on court."

Chela disagreed with the strategy.

"I think if you have any sort of pain, where you don't feel well and aren't able to give 100 percent on the court, it's better to just retire," he said.

jackson vile
04-08-2010, 10:33 AM
That worst part was that his back was hurt!

So should he have just quit and walked off the court in the middle of the first set?? Then he gets fined and booed for that?

sureshs
04-08-2010, 10:37 AM
Why don't they fine Federer was losing to Berdych and Baggy (due to lung infection)? And he also executed some drop shots.

drakulie
04-08-2010, 11:01 AM
^^^^^ exactly, or fine chang for serving underhanded in the French open??

Chadwixx
04-08-2010, 11:07 AM
"The crowd booed him after he foot-faulted on match point."

The crowd were racist and this was no time to call a foot fault since it was an important point.

Bahrami would be sad at this ruling

Markov
04-08-2010, 11:10 AM
The ATP should just fine anyone who loses a match. Even dropping a set could be penalized... So that everyone would play for their lives.

West Coast Ace
04-08-2010, 11:26 AM
You people are forgetting the Davy - Betfair issue. And apparently missed Woodrow's post - pain in back doesn't force one to double fault with two foot faults on match point.

Did he have a trainer out? If not then his behavior and excuse are even shakier. And if you say 'he knew the trainer couldn't help' then he definitely should have retired.

I don't have any problem with the ATP having some enforcement policy to prevent guys from acting in an unprofessional manner.

Love Game
04-08-2010, 12:21 PM
That worst part was that his back was hurt!

So should he have just quit and walked off the court in the middle of the first set?? Then he gets fined and booed for that?

especially since "a fine up to $10,000 for each violation" ... that means the longer he played, the more chance he would have to be in violation again and again

otoh, you can see by the scoreline that he started feeling a lot better in the second set: 6-1, 6-7 (5), 6-1

not having suffered it, I don't know enough about back injuries, but does back pain often decrease enough to allow a player to take it to a tiebreaker and beyond? :?:

Gimmick
04-08-2010, 01:19 PM
Just think of the fines the WTA could rack up using this rule for substandard play.

JoshDragon
04-08-2010, 01:26 PM
Well that article doesn't really tell the whole story.

What I heard is that he was hitting full swing drop shots on return of serves and then in the last game was just deliberately sailing balls way out. Then on match point, he was called for a foot fault on first serve. So on the second serve, he stepped way into the court (like both feet) to deliberately foot fault to lose the match. So, it was definitely a fine based on the "best efforts" conduct violation.

h) Best Efforts

i)
A player shall use his best efforts during the match when competing in a tournament.
Violation of this section shall subject a player to a fine up to $10,000
for each violation.
ii)

For purposes of this rule, the supervisor and/or the chair umpire shall have
the authority to penalize a player in accordance with the Point Penalty
Schedule. In circumstances that are flagrant and particularly injurious to the
success of a tournament, or are singularly egregious, a single violation of this
section shall also constitute the player Major Offense of Aggravated Behavior.



But he still played to the best of his ability, given the injury.

Love Game
04-08-2010, 01:30 PM
Just think of the fines the WTA could rack up using this rule for substandard play.

for example, WTA players serve is substandard compared to the serve of the ATP players! :mad:

Love Game
04-08-2010, 01:32 PM
But he still played to the best of his ability, given the injury.

but was did the "best of his ability" flat in the first, raised to tiebreak in the second, then flat in the third? :confused:

is that the way it works with back injuries? :?:

MotherMarjorie
04-08-2010, 02:03 PM
Well that article doesn't really tell the whole story.

What I heard is that he was hitting full swing drop shots on return of serves and then in the last game was just deliberately sailing balls way out. Then on match point, he was called for a foot fault on first serve. So on the second serve, he stepped way into the court (like both feet) to deliberately foot fault to lose the match. So, it was definitely a fine based on the "best efforts" conduct violation.

h) Best Efforts

i)
A player shall use his best efforts during the match when competing in a tournament.
Violation of this section shall subject a player to a fine up to $10,000
for each violation.
ii)

For purposes of this rule, the supervisor and/or the chair umpire shall have
the authority to penalize a player in accordance with the Point Penalty
Schedule. In circumstances that are flagrant and particularly injurious to the
success of a tournament, or are singularly egregious, a single violation of this
section shall also constitute the player Major Offense of Aggravated Behavior.


Mother Marjorie's assumption would be that this rule was made for people who purposefully and appearantly would be tanking a match.

In Eduardo's case, he should have just retired due to injury during the match and not even attempted to play with injury.

Given the tournament or the chair referee never penalized Educardo on-court, I'm very surprised that the ATP could levy a fine for something that supposedly happened on-court that was not penalized.

Rhino
04-08-2010, 02:16 PM
Safin has been fined a few times for 'not trying' during his career. Also picked up a few warnings in matches too.

Yeah didn't he actually gets thrown out of the Australian Open for not trying once?

GS
04-08-2010, 02:18 PM
A few years ago, there was a guy who was later fined by the ATP for not giving-his-all during a match. C'mon, you experts, who was this player?

rovex
04-08-2010, 02:19 PM
A few years ago, there was a guy who was later fined by the ATP for not giving-his-all during a match. C'mon, you experts, who was this player?

Davydenko?

P_Agony
04-08-2010, 02:20 PM
^^^ or fining rafa for every butt pick. :)

Or fine Federer for every tear, or Nadal for every second he wastes, or Djokovic for every ball bounce, or Murray for every slam final he makes and losses to Federer.

GS
04-08-2010, 02:46 PM
Davydenko?

Yes, Davydenko.
Did you know this first-hand, or did you google this info?

KAndersonFan
04-08-2010, 02:55 PM
LOL, is there videos of this somewhere? I mean, I don't think it got TV coverage, but maybe someone was taping in the crowd?

THUNDERVOLLEY
04-08-2010, 02:59 PM
I'm not a big fan of people playing ugly tennis but what the ATP did is pretty ******** indeed.

Agreed. There's no logic in taking official action against someone for a lack of strategy--which is what this case seems to be.

rovex
04-08-2010, 03:01 PM
Yes, Davydenko.
Did you know this first-hand, or did you google this info?

Can't quite exactly remember what happened, but i do remember that he was involved.

tacou
04-08-2010, 03:04 PM
weird. lame.

David123
04-08-2010, 03:07 PM
for sure to get money... spectators..

Kobble
04-08-2010, 03:07 PM
If they want to make tennis more ralley friend, just go to clay. Have rubberized clay, red clay, clay with cut grass mixed in, and hard clay. No need for fines.

r2473
04-08-2010, 03:34 PM
Well that article doesn't really tell the whole story.

What I heard is that he was hitting full swing drop shots on return of serves and then in the last game was just deliberately sailing balls way out. Then on match point, he was called for a foot fault on first serve. So on the second serve, he stepped way into the court (like both feet) to deliberately foot fault to lose the match. So, it was definitely a fine based on the "best efforts" conduct violation.

h) Best Efforts

i)
A player shall use his best efforts during the match when competing in a tournament.
Violation of this section shall subject a player to a fine up to $10,000
for each violation.
ii)

For purposes of this rule, the supervisor and/or the chair umpire shall have
the authority to penalize a player in accordance with the Point Penalty
Schedule. In circumstances that are flagrant and particularly injurious to the
success of a tournament, or are singularly egregious, a single violation of this
section shall also constitute the player Major Offense of Aggravated Behavior.



Will the ATP fine Somdev Devvarman for his performance in the 2nd set today against Hewitt? In his 6-0 loss, he managed only 2 points.

http://www.protennislive.com/frameset.asp?year=2010&wkno=14&lang=en&tabno=2&eventid=0717&ref=www.atpworldtour.com

Check out the completed matches tab and check out the 2nd set stats for this match.

Don't Let It Bounce
04-08-2010, 03:59 PM
LOL. Imagine giving him a fine for being a mental midget, and as a result, not giving his "best effort".Hmmm... You know, if a precedent were established for fining professional tennis players for being mental midgets, the ATP and WTA could afford to bail out the entire world economy.

tacou
04-08-2010, 04:30 PM
Can't quite exactly remember what happened, but i do remember that he was involved.

I believe this was right around the time of the gambling thing. Nothing unusual, he just played poorly against a player ranked waaaayy below him. I remember he was pretty bewildered and somewhat insulted for receiving the fine

tacou
04-08-2010, 04:32 PM
Further controversy had also surrounded Davydenko after one of his matches at St. Petersburg Open in October 2007. During his 1–6, 7–5, 6–1 defeat by Marin Cilic he was given a code violation by umpire Jean-Philippe Dercq for not giving his best effort. He was later fined $2000 (987) by the governing body of men's Tennis, the ATP, but the fine was rescinded upon appeal.[17] The following week, he lost 6–2, 6–2 to Marcos Baghdatis at the Paris Masters. This generated some controversy, as Davydenko was cautioned by the umpire to do his best during the match.[18]

weird, it was Cilic! he's top 10 now...someone should pay Davy back

split-step
04-08-2010, 08:02 PM
LOL, is there videos of this somewhere? I mean, I don't think it got TV coverage, but maybe someone was taping in the crowd?

I was there and taped some of the match and got some of the drop shots. They were pretty excellent drop shots. The guy is a spin doctor.

He hit this dropshot that completely died on the bounce. It hit the clay and spun on its axis till it stopped. It didn't bounce. My jaw dropped lol.
He also would throw in the deep forehand slice. The thing is it was really working against Chela. Chela was a mess out there in the 2nd set and couldn't figure him out.

In the 3rd Schwank wasn't dropshotting as much and the ones he did hit were regular and didn't have a lot of spin so Chela didn't have much problem with those.

I think he was fined for the last service game, because there was nothing wrong with the dropshots or the way he played. Yes, he hit dropshots off the return of serve. But Hewitt did it to, same tournament. Hit a bigger second serve if you don't want that.

Anyway, the last service game he basically tanked. He just hit the balls way long. But he looked tired. He was always sitting down whenever he could. He sat down on the change of ends after the 1st game in the 3rd set and Steve Ulrich (chair umpire) was like 'get up' lol. And he would go for the towel and really take his time. Something was bothering him.

And more than once he threw in the 'pattycake' serve. He just threw the ball up and tapped it into the service box. I believe the first time he did it on a first serve and it was a fault.

He did it on his last second serve but he totally stepped into the court. He obviously was tanking which is why he was fined I guess, but I think that's silly.
At least he finished the match.

2nd set was entertaining with all those drop shots and Chela looking confused lol.

JeMar
04-08-2010, 08:50 PM
So, did everyone miss Woodrow's post?

surfvland
04-08-2010, 10:27 PM
No wayyyyy complete BS.

Gustavo Kuerten
04-09-2010, 03:37 AM
I was there and taped some of the match and got some of the drop shots. They were pretty excellent drop shots. The guy is a spin doctor.

He hit this dropshot that completely died on the bounce. It hit the clay and spun on its axis till it stopped. It didn't bounce. My jaw dropped lol.
He also would throw in the deep forehand slice. The thing is it was really working against Chela. Chela was a mess out there in the 2nd set and couldn't figure him out. Can you upload the footage on Youtube?

Mortifier
04-09-2010, 08:06 AM
I got really impressed by Schwanks dropshots last year in Bucharest I think it was, he was literally returning the serve with dropshots. Excellent ones too, some of them were clean winners. I also thought he was much older, he has a kind of rugged style.

Sentinel
04-09-2010, 09:04 AM
Will the ATP fine Somdev Devvarman for his performance in the 2nd set today against Hewitt? In his 6-0 loss, he managed only 2 points.

http://www.protennislive.com/frameset.asp?year=2010&wkno=14&lang=en&tabno=2&eventid=0717&ref=www.atpworldtour.com

Check out the completed matches tab and check out the 2nd set stats for this match.

aha, Dr Fedace's curse has finally come true. Or was it sobad's ???

Anaconda
04-09-2010, 05:16 PM
:(

really?

it the cover of one of the greatest world music record of all time (imho)

"La Llorona", by the late "Lhasa de Sela"...

Never heard of it. Of course, the greatest record goes to the Chairman Of The Board Frankie with 'My Way'.