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safin_protege
05-08-2005, 05:59 PM
Pretty simple, who will win the French Open, and why?

TwistServe
05-08-2005, 06:18 PM
This poll sux and its rigged. The following people have about .000000001% chance of winning.

David nalbandian - out of form
Gaston Guadio - out of form, was never a FO contender, should have lost to coria last year if coria didn't choke, and basically he's a 1 hit wonder
Carlos Moya - out of form
Marat Safin - mental case
Llyeton Hewitt - injured

gugafanatic
05-08-2005, 06:18 PM
I like your list of contenders, but would have thought Ferrer and Gasquet also deserve a mention. Im voting Nadal providing he does not burn-out in Hamburg. Moreover, hes attitude and mental toughness is immense for an 18 year old. This leads me to believe he can go all the way.

gugafanatic
05-08-2005, 06:21 PM
This poll sux and its rigged. The following people have about .000000001% chance of winning.

David nalbandian - out of form
Gaston Guadio - out of form, was never a FO contender, should have lost to coria last year if coria didn't choke, and basically he's a 1 hit wonder
Carlos Moya - out of form
Marat Safin - mental case
Llyeton Hewitt - injured

I agree with you, but comeon Gaudio is the former champ and has beaten Nadal over 3 sets this year on clay. I doubt he could beat Nadal or Coria based on current form but I consider him a dark-horse.

VictorS.
05-08-2005, 06:26 PM
Nadal is definitely the favorite right now, with Coria being a close second based on the results in the past two TMS tourneys. Federer though definitely has a chance provided he gets healthy and has a favorable draw. Also, I wouldn't count Gaudio out just yet. He was playing some of the best clay court tennis down in South America earlier in the year. He's still a threat.

TwistServe
05-08-2005, 06:30 PM
Nadal is definitely the favorite right now, with Coria being a close second based on the results in the past two TMS tourneys. Federer though definitely has a chance provided he gets healthy and has a favorable draw. Also, I wouldn't count Gaudio out just yet. He was playing some of the best clay court tennis down in South America earlier in the year. He's still a threat.

Yes he was playing some good tennis vesus subpar top 30-50 players. Yes he did beat Nadal but every player has a few matches where they're in the zone: they'll beat anyone!.. But to win 7 straight matches for the FO is a totally different story..

The only person that will win the FO is someone with a very consistent performance.. No erratics!

Grinder
05-08-2005, 06:30 PM
Solid contenders are Rafael Nadal, Guillermo Coria, Roger Federer, David Nalbandian and possibly Gaston Gaudio.

As for the dark horses, I have a ton ::
Igor Andreev (Took Nadal out in straight sets on clay this year en route to the title. He also made it to the Gstaad final last year and took a set of Federer in that match.)
Alberto Martin (A solid baseline grinder and clay court specialist.)
David Ferrer (Had a surprise run in Miami AMS and made it to the semi's. Also took out Gaudio 6-0 6-1 and gave Nadal a heck of a time on Friday.)
Albert Costa, Juan Carlos Ferrero, Felix Mantilla, Carlos Moya, Alex Corretja, Gustavo Kuerten (might sound like a little wild pick, but never count out a champion)

gugafanatic
05-08-2005, 06:34 PM
Yeah dont count out trichampion GUSTAVO, he is capable of rolling back the years at RG. He was very close to making the semis last yr.

obackvalobasha
05-08-2005, 06:43 PM
no way guga is winning this year. no way hosey

Prince_of_Tennis
05-08-2005, 06:45 PM
Guga or Safin

gugafanatic
05-08-2005, 07:10 PM
Guga needs some desperate form, hes match against Pavel will provide an indication of hes progress.

Exile
05-08-2005, 07:13 PM
Honestly, can we count federer out already?

Unless nadal has a mental problem, he will most likely win, unless guga feels serious.

TwistServe
05-08-2005, 07:21 PM
Honestly, can we count federer out already?

Unless nadal has a mental problem, he will most likely win, unless guga feels serious.

Oh guga is not going to feel serious.. He is just coming to poke around at the frenchmen, and maybe get some autographs...

VashTheStampede
05-08-2005, 07:24 PM
I'd bet on Nadal, he's just too much on fire right now. For second I'd pick Coria, who I'll root for to win it.

Jack the Hack
05-08-2005, 07:42 PM
How about Andy Roddick? He won the US Clay Court Championships a couple weeks ago...








MWAHHHH HAAAAA, HAAAAAAA, HAAAAA.....


Just kidding! :)

(I like the guy, but would be surprised if he got past the 4th round... and he will need a good draw to get that far.)


I think Federer, Coria, Ferrero, Safin, Nalbandian, and Nadal have the best chances. However, the French can be brutal and guys like Ferrer, Costa, Guga, Gaudio, and Hewitt... they can rise up at any moment and not necessarily to win the whole tournament, but to certainly knock one of the favorites out of contention.

Exile
05-08-2005, 07:46 PM
Best joke ever, roddick win the FO LOL I'll eat natural gut strings if he wins the FO.

splink779
05-08-2005, 07:53 PM
Should have at least put Ferrero on the poll. He's had a tough year so far, but did get to the final in Barcelona among other things. I don't think he'll do that well but I want him to win. Fact is Nadal or Coria is going to win, unless someone throws a bear trap on the court.

safin_protege
05-09-2005, 01:59 PM
Sorry for the missed players on the poll, but the limit was 10, and these are some good choices.

I agree that Nadal has a great chance; he has been playing well on clay and in general. He's mentally tough and will be going into the Open with a lot of momentum.

And for the first reply; Yes, we all know that Safin is a headcase...but did he not just play to his ability? He won the Australian Open and something has obviously snapped into place in his...immensly talented but messed up mind. I wouldn't count him out :)

Feņa14
05-09-2005, 02:04 PM
I'll go for Gonzalez, everyone loves an underdog.

I believe that he will win it one day, why not this year?

He is a real dark horse but has pushed Federer and Coria on clay and been unlucky with his clay TMS draws.

I'll be keeping an eye out anyway

Rodzilla
05-09-2005, 02:08 PM
Andy Roddick should be in there. Despite not fairing so well he still has his hopes up and a #1 fan like me. Andy proclaims he is in the best shape that he has ever been going into the French and he has no excuse this year for not doing well. As long as Andy is confident and trusts in himself, the work with Dean Goldfine and off court will pay off. We will have to see.... I can not really pick who will win but Nadal, Federer, Gaudio, and Coria on the top of my list.

safin_protege
05-09-2005, 02:17 PM
Andy Roddick will not win the French Open; not because he is not in good enough shape, or that his strokes need work...The fact is, his game is just not suited for clay. In case you don't know, clay is the slowest of all surfaces, so Roddick, a power hitter, will have his biggest weapon eliminated.

Jonnyf
05-09-2005, 02:20 PM
Andy Roddick All The Way

Rodzilla
05-09-2005, 02:21 PM
Andy Roddick will not win the French Open; not because he is not in good enough shape, or that his strokes need work...The fact is, his game is just not suited for clay. In case you don't know, clay is the slowest of all surfaces, so Roddick, a power hitter, will have his biggest weapon eliminated.

Pete Sampras's game was not suited for clay and he still managed to get to the semifinals best. Who is saying that Andy can't win two more matches more than that?

Pushmaster
05-09-2005, 02:27 PM
I'll go for Gonzalez, everyone loves an underdog.

I believe that he will win it one day, why not this year?

He is a real dark horse but has pushed Federer and Coria on clay and been unlucky with his clay TMS draws.

I'll be keeping an eye out anyway
I would love to see it, but I don't think it's going to happen. With his "go for broke" style even if he does get on a hot streak, I can't see him being able to maintain it to the end.

It would be tough for me to bet against Nadal the way he's playing right now.
Moya would be my "dark horse" pick, even though he's a former winner.

safin_protege
05-09-2005, 02:33 PM
Pete Sampras's game was not suited for clay and he still managed to get to the semifinals best. Who is saying that Andy can't win two more matches more than that?

No, Sampras's game was not, but it is my belief, and I'm sure others would agree, that Sampras was more talented than Roddick. Where are Roddick's game is 80% power, Sampras could hit with sometimes as much power, but he had more control and could set up points better than Roddick. Sampras could overcome his ill-suited clay game because of overall talent, whereas Roddick cannot.

Rodzilla
05-09-2005, 02:39 PM
yes, very good point made safin_protege. you know your stuff.

tennis-n-sc
05-09-2005, 04:06 PM
Roddick probably has as good a chance as Fed Man but I don't think either will win. Nadal should be favored but I look for a dark horse to pull it out, someone not even considered. Just don't ask me who, haven't a clue.

need2paint
05-09-2005, 04:19 PM
andre agassi

Exile
05-09-2005, 04:21 PM
Best joke ever, roddick win the FO LOL I'll eat natural gut strings if he wins the FO.


Enough said.

federerhoogenbandfan
05-09-2005, 06:16 PM
I think Federer and Nadal will play in the final, and Nadal will come in overconfident because he almost beat Federer on hard courts, and Fed will win out.

Ronaldo
05-09-2005, 06:20 PM
A-Rod, to dream the impossible dream, eh? As long as he avoids Massu, the Roddick-killer

federerhoogenbandfan
05-09-2005, 06:21 PM
Pete Sampras's game was not suited for clay and he still managed to get to the semifinals best. Who is saying that Andy can't win two more matches more than that?

Even if you believe Andy Roddick can win the French Open(which I personaly think is ridiculous, but you are entitled your opinion)I find this example interesting to say the least. The part Sampras did this and is not suited to clay, so even if Andy is not suited to clay.......I understand. However the part about so why can't Andy win two more matches than that is amusing. There is a huge difference between making the semis of a slam, and winning a grand slam, the two are not even close at all. Well in some rare cases they are but not in this case(Sampras lost 7-6, 6-0, 6-2 in the semis).

I said it before and I will stand by it, Andy Roddick I expect to lose in the 3rd round or sooner of the French, and will be very surprised if he passes that round.

gugafanatic
05-09-2005, 06:22 PM
It would be a fariytale if Guga won a fourth french open crown. If he continues to play agressive, like he did against Pavel he has a chance to go deep. The reason I am confident in Gugas ability is that last year he made the quarters playing against the pain barrier. This year Guga is playing pain free with better mobility. However he serious lacks match rhytham. He's match against Robredo will give a good indication of hes chances.

Exile
05-09-2005, 06:23 PM
as much as i love him, federer won't make it. nadal will win.

gugafanatic
05-09-2005, 06:25 PM
I said it before and I will stand by it, Andy Roddick I expect to lose in the 3rd round or sooner of the French, and will be very surprised if he passes that round.[/QUOTE]


Yeah A.ROD seeding will protect him in the early rds, but he is likely to be shot down by a clay court specialist in rd 3.

Chadwixx
05-09-2005, 06:27 PM
Roddick probably has as good a chance as Fed Man but I don't think either will win. Nadal should be favored but I look for a dark horse to pull it out, someone not even considered. Just don't ask me who, haven't a clue.

Federer has established himself by winning big clay court tournaments in the past, and his dominace over the tour. ppl in the top 100 are good, if they are playing really good on a given day and fed is average they will beat him, but barely as proven.

id say the usually clay courters. costa (never goes down easy there), coria, nadal, federer, gaudio (similiar to costa), hewitt (but he would have to work his butt off, and would need a good draw vs short point players).

moya is hurt, roddick and agassi dont have it mentally, safin (won his tournament of the year, rest is vacation).

federerhoogenbandfan
05-09-2005, 06:32 PM
Yeah A.ROD seeding will protect him in the early rds, but he is likely to be shot down by a clay court specialist in rd 3.

Please dont agree with me. It isnt any fun anymore then. :mrgreen:

gugafanatic
05-09-2005, 06:35 PM
I think Agassi is more likely to advance further then Roddick at RG. I would like to see young guns like Gasquet and Monfils pull put some big wins by using the home crowd advantage. Infact the French have a good field at RG this year: Monfils, Gasquet, Santoro, Grosjean. Do you think a home-grown player can take the FO crown??

federerhoogenbandfan
05-09-2005, 06:37 PM
The French players are good but they are not good enough to win the FO. Grosjean has probably played his last Grand Slam semi, he is a good player and will continue to post some good results, but his career has already seen its best days. Santoro will get overpowered at some stage. Gasquet nor Monfils are definitely not ready for that kind of a run in a slam, to do it in a slam with best 3-out-of-5 sets and the atmosphere and intensity of a slam, is totally different than a Masters Series event(eg-Gasquet at Monte Carlo).

AJK1
05-09-2005, 06:53 PM
Gugoo has no hope

federerhoogenbandfan
05-09-2005, 07:04 PM
Neither does an Aussie. :)

Docalex007
05-09-2005, 08:30 PM
Nadal, Federer, Coria have the best chances along with the being the safe bet.

Dark Horse: Ferrer (i'm telling you guys....this man is heating up)

SydW
05-10-2005, 03:04 AM
Roddick probably has as good a chance as Fed Man but I don't think either will win. Nadal should be favored but I look for a dark horse to pull it out, someone not even considered. Just don't ask me who, haven't a clue.

This is a joke right? How does Roddick has as good as chance as Federer on clay? They both won't win this year but Federer can be in the list as the dark horse, Roddick? No way.

Aykhan Mammadov
05-10-2005, 03:46 AM
Federer, Federer wil win FO.

federerhoogenbandfan
05-10-2005, 07:46 AM
I think one of the things that makes clay harder for Fed and Roddick, is that they dont win as many free points off of their serves. While both have very good groundstrokes, especially Federer, there are many others who, who feel they can win enough of the baseline rallies to win if they are getting every serve back; plus psychologically it is difficult for them to get used to being used to winning so many free points off their serves on faster courts.

Rabbit
05-10-2005, 08:27 AM
I think at present, Nadal is the man to beat. He's hungry, he's young, and he's in terrific condition (save his hand). His game is very well suited to dirt and his youth enables him the patience that older players lose. He's willing to stay out there all day if needed.

NScat23
05-10-2005, 08:41 AM
You forgot to put Guga on there. He'll pull thorugh

Dedans Penthouse
05-10-2005, 11:06 AM
Nadal. No problem with that, although I wish there were a larger number of TRUE dirt-ball contenders besides Coria and Gaudio.

Fed's always a threat in my book.....funny though, remember how just a year ago Federer was touted as a guaranteed lock to win the Grand Slam?....and how Sampras on his best day wasn't in the same universe as the Roger? Anyway, let's hope Fed gets his game going, because this cowboy does not want to see a repeat of the b.s. from last year's final.

Anyone have any Kentucky Derby type darkhorse threats out there?

safin_protege
05-10-2005, 12:18 PM
I think one of the things that makes clay harder for Fed and Roddick, is that they dont win as many free points off of their serves.

I would agree that the clay will take the power off Roddick's serve, and therefore will cripple him, but I disagree that the slower surface will affect Federer's serve more than anyone. Yes, Federer can hit with power, but, on the serve, he has exceptional placement, and can set up points just as well as he can hit by someone.

Vlad
05-10-2005, 01:33 PM
It remains to be seen what kind of weather it will be in Paris... if it is going to be warm, sunny days than I see Roddick and Agassi making few good wins, while clay courters will suffer.. but if it's rainy, cloudy, cold than Roddick, Agassi might not win a match.. Fed can play in cold conditions, he won Hamburg (the slowest) couple of times afterall...

@wright
05-10-2005, 01:45 PM
I'd say Coria, Federer, Nadal in that order. Federer is hungry and just took a couple weeks off, which he usually comes back strong from. Coria has been playing well enough to make finals, I think his experience gives him a better shot than Nadal...Nadal could definitely win it though, he doesn't seem to get nervous, although I expect him to on such a big stage.

Rabbit
05-10-2005, 01:47 PM
Fed's always a threat in my book.....funny though, remember how just a year ago Federer was touted as a guaranteed lock to win the Grand Slam?....and how Sampras on his best day wasn't in the same universe as the Roger?

I remember. I remember before that how McEnroe on his best day couldn't hang with Sampras. I remember how before that Laver couldn't hang with McEnroe on his best day. It's funny how 12 short months of perspective will change the perception of a player from the best player of all times to a guy who had an exceptional year. Not that this situation is the same, but anybody else remember Matts Wilander in '88...how about '89?

Kevin Patrick
05-10-2005, 03:01 PM
Actually Vlad, weather rarely affects the play of true claycourters. If it's clay, they play well regardless. But weather does help the fastcourt players. Even if it's hot though, a great claycourter will be favored against fastcourt players.

Rabbit,
not to hijack the thread or anything, but I've found a copy of that McEnroe-Ancic superset match from last year that got quite a bit of attention on the boards. You should check it out on *********s.net, I've bought from there before, great service & quality. I think that match shows that as much as we think the game has evolved(& it has) it hasn't evolved as much as we think. Mac would have done fine had he been born 10-20 years later.

I remember Mats. Fine player, but he never was considered a potential GOAT, even in '88. Becker, Mac, Sampras, Fed, all have the big games/talent that get more respect. I was watching the '88 Wilander-Cash Australian Open Final recently. In the pre-match commentary, Cliff Drysdale said he was sure that Mats would burn out soon due to his very mentally & physically demanding game. He was right.

Dedans, would Robredo or Verdasco count as darkhouse threats?

Rabbit
05-11-2005, 06:22 AM
Kevin Patrick - as usual, you're right on the money. I saw the same thing on TTC and came to the exact same conclusion. Does the DVD you have also have the match against Murray? That was a total and complete route.

Dedans Penthouse
05-11-2005, 07:37 AM
Dedans, would Robredo or Verdasco count as darkhouse threats?

Good call; yeah, come to think of it, those two could jump outta the pack (esp. if there's a upset early in the tourney that would result in "opening up" the draw for them).

I recall that Aussie Open with Cash vs. Willander. It was broadcast "live" and being the knucklehead that I am, I stayed up until around 4 a.m. to watch the end of it. Cash was holding serve pretty easily in the 5th set, and Mats was holding serve as well but having a tougher time of it. But Mats showed some quiet "bulldog" in him.....he hung in and hung in and eventually found the opening to break Cash and win 8-6. When you think of that match and the 6 hour Davis Cup match vs. McEnroe in St. Louis, you get an appreciation of Willander's body of work, even though he really wasn't an "all-time" great in my opinion. BUT, he did incorporate a slice backhand (approach shot and "changeup") and worked on his 1st serve in order to beat Lendl for the U.S. Open title, winning 3 of the 4 majors. Even though he was still a "youngster" when he played Noah at Roland Garros, his loss to Noah was a bummer in my opinion. Yeah Noah was a good athlete and all, but Noah's groundstrokes were garbazh.
But I digress.... ;-)

federerhoogenbandfan
05-11-2005, 09:53 AM
Not that this situation is the same, but anybody else remember Matts Wilander in '88...how about '89?

Wilander is no Federer in talent and potential, even though he was a great player. You will not see a Wilander 89 from Federer this year. He has already won two Masters Series titles.