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el sergento
04-22-2010, 06:22 PM
Love your O3's but hate stringing them? Well here's my method of doing the crosses. I only just figured it out, but with all the guru's around here I'm sure someone has already thought of this.

So, as you all know, to do the crosses properly on an O3 you need a special tool or you either need to hold the racquet in place or lock the swivel. I don't have that fancy tool and my Silent Partner doesn't lock well so I came up with the following solution:

Using a flying clamp to straighten the cross string before pulling tension.


Here's what the problem is when pulling tension on the crosses of an O3:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_zViWo4-zQoU/S9Dz6KhgvXI/AAAAAAAAADQ/ixtLv1G_dFw/s800/IMG00003.jpg

As you can see, the cross is off to one side and pulling tension this way is not recomended. My solution is to straighten out the cross string before pulling tension by using a flying clamp. To do so, you'll need a flying clamp, obviously (although fixed clamps would probably work too), and to follow these simple steps:

1) Place an open clamp as follows using the adjacanct cross string to keep it in place:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_zViWo4-zQoU/S9Dz7D1karI/AAAAAAAAADY/Eo61vAGUL8I/s800/IMG00004.jpg

2) Pull tension, slowly at first, and you'll notice that the tension will keep the clamp in place and that the pulled string will be straight instead of off at an angle:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_zViWo4-zQoU/S9D0EepZkmI/AAAAAAAAADg/FNCdIfzOXyk/s800/IMG00005.jpg

3) Once you obtain your desired tension, remove your first clamp, as usual, and simply close the clamp you used to keep the cross string in the right position:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_zViWo4-zQoU/S9D0FDoQutI/AAAAAAAAADk/yz4o00wndxs/s800/IMG00006.jpg

Wash, rinse, repeat!

There you go, it's quite easy, the method doesn't really take more time than a normal racquet and there's no fooling around with home made tools or strange acrobatics to hold the racquet in place while you pull tension.

Quick note:
Depending on the location of your mains, you might notice that the clamp isn't flush against the frame. If you think this can affect your tension simply increase the desired tension by 1 pound.

Hope this helps!

jcstennis
04-22-2010, 07:51 PM
What is rince? ;)

el sergento
04-22-2010, 07:59 PM
What is rince? ;)

D'oh! I'm only just getting the pictures to work. Give me some time to fix my spectacular spelling.:)

zapvor
04-22-2010, 08:50 PM
when i cant find someone to stand still for me when i pull tension, i stand myself in position and twist around to get it to go. but yea its a pain.

el sergento
04-22-2010, 09:10 PM
when i cant find someone to stand still for me when i pull tension, i stand myself in position and twist around to get it to go. but yea its a pain.

Wow, so it's a two person job for you? I almost lost it the first time I strung an o3. I ended up standing myself in position like you do. My back was actually sore the next day.

zapvor
04-22-2010, 09:13 PM
no i can do it myself but i rather not. so i just grab whoever happens to be close to me and get them to stand still for 5 min :)

but yea if noones around i just stand myself and go to work

el sergento
04-22-2010, 09:24 PM
no i can do it myself but i rather not. so i just grab whoever happens to be close to me and get them to stand still for 5 min :)

but yea if noones around i just stand myself and go to work

Give my method a try. It's astoundingly easy.:)

zapvor
04-22-2010, 09:36 PM
i am sure it is but i like to get a person so we can chat and stuff :P

strungup
04-23-2010, 05:28 AM
Doesn't this method increase the risk of scoring/ damaging the string across the clamp?, or am I not following you procedure.

Irvin
04-23-2010, 06:45 AM
Really not much different than other suggestions like placing a Sharpie cap between the strings to hold them off so you can clamp them.

Irvin

el sergento
04-23-2010, 07:13 AM
Doesn't this method increase the risk of scoring/ damaging the string across the clamp?, or am I not following you procedure.

Not really because the clamp is open when you pull tension. The added benefit of doing this is that you'll actually save some time because the clamp will already be in place when you're done pulling tension.

el sergento
04-23-2010, 07:14 AM
Really not much different than other suggestions like placing a Sharpie cap between the strings to hold them off so you can clamp them.

Irvin

The sharpie cap didn't work for me. Maybe I didn't have the right size, but the one I used would fly out when pulling tension. I was stringing at 60lbs, maybe at lower tensions it works fine.

Either way, the point of my method is to not have to rely on special tools, obviously other methods work just fine.

Irvin
04-23-2010, 09:20 AM
The sharpie cap didn't work for me. Maybe I didn't have the right size, but the one I used would fly out when pulling tension. I was stringing at 60lbs, maybe at lower tensions it works fine.

Either way, the point of my method is to not have to rely on special tools, obviously other methods work just fine.

That is why I do not use a Sharpie cap but many stringers do.

Irvin

zapvor
04-23-2010, 09:25 AM
i dont like the sharpie either

David123
04-23-2010, 01:26 PM
i wish i had a prince racket to experiment with lol.

Lakers4Life
04-23-2010, 01:44 PM
Using a brake is the only recomended way to string a Prince O3 racket. Prince no longer sends out the boomerangs. Using you hip or body puts undue stress on the racket.

Every one suggests the Sharpie method, but they don't say which sharpie size? And where do you stick it in? The only one that seem to work for me is the Chisel Tip Sharpie that is oblong.

Irvin
04-24-2010, 04:46 AM
Using a brake is the only recomended way to string a Prince O3 racket...

And when you are using a light table top stringer with no break what do you do? I have a Wise tension head and when I use the break or hip method the Wise starts jumping. I do not think it is wise to pull tension at the angles created by rotation the racket.

Irvin

Lakers4Life
04-24-2010, 12:02 PM
And when you are using a light table top stringer with no break what do you do? I have a Wise tension head and when I use the break or hip method the Wise starts jumping. I do not think it is wise to pull tension at the angles created by rotation the racket.

Irvin

These Prince rackets were not desigend to be strung on table top stringers without brakes. It's the machine that conforms to rackets not the other way around. Take glide bar machine, they can't do fan patterns. A brake can be upgraded to most table top machines. Here is an example of one:
http://i45.tinypic.com/4j5gtg.jpg

IanRichardson
04-24-2010, 12:09 PM
Cool method, but won't prince just send you a boomerang for free if you call them up? They did for me, but that was a few years ago.

Steve Huff
04-24-2010, 07:54 PM
Since many clamps are "diamond dusted", or roughened up a little to hold the string better, I'd worry about damaging the string too. Irvin, I know what you mean about the Wise not liking to pull at an angle.

el sergento
04-24-2010, 09:17 PM
Cool method, but won't prince just send you a boomerang for free if you call them up? They did for me, but that was a few years ago.

I read somewhere around here that they don't offer that service anymore. Maybe someone else can confirm this.

el sergento
04-24-2010, 09:23 PM
Since many clamps are "diamond dusted", or roughened up a little to hold the string better, I'd worry about damaging the string too. Irvin, I know what you mean about the Wise not liking to pull at an angle.

Obviously I can't speak for every single type of clamp, but on mine it didn't do any detectable damage. With this method you pull tension when the clamp is open, therefore there really isn't that much friction. Also, the string only makes contact with the edge of the clamp teeth, it doesn't go in deeper into the clamp where the clamp could be "diamond dusted'.

All I can say is that I used the method for two O3's strung with a soft cross string, Gosen Sheep 17, and both have been played with without any problems for going on 10+ hours. YMMV

Irvin
04-25-2010, 05:11 AM
Since many clamps are "diamond dusted", or roughened up a little to hold the string better, I'd worry about damaging the string too. Irvin, I know what you mean about the Wise not liking to pull at an angle.

I have seen on other posts in this forum that doing too many rackets using the brake or hip method damaged the tension head on other stringers. As soon as mine started having problems I never again tried either of those methods. I have my doubts that pulling the string at an angle is giving you a consistent tension also.

Irvin

Renfrow
04-25-2010, 07:38 AM
Can anyone post a picture of the "Sharpie Method" in action?

Irvin
04-25-2010, 07:51 AM
Can anyone post a picture of the "Sharpie Method" in action?

This is not an O port racket but this is how the cap is used. Placing the cap between the strings like this holds the string off so it can be clamped in a horizontal position.

http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp304/Irvin44_2008/Sharpie%20Cap/HPIM29351.jpg

Irvin

LttlElvis
04-25-2010, 08:25 AM
Thanks Irvin. I've never had any issues stringing O racquets. I don't like the brake on my Gamma but it works well enough. For some reason I thought the Sharpie method was to put it in the O port like a boomerang tool, but your method looks much simpler.

jim e
04-25-2010, 08:36 AM
I have seen on other posts in this forum that doing too many rackets using the brake or hip method damaged the tension head on other stringers. As soon as mine started having problems I never again tried either of those methods. I have my doubts that pulling the string at an angle is giving you a consistent tension also.

Irvin

A couple years back on the gss site, someone there made a block with a pin going through it. It works nice, but the majority of the time, I still just use the brake as it is the easiest. The brake on my machine holds great!For those interested the block is 1 inch wide, 1/2 thick, and 1 1/2 inches long with a small pin going through it to stop it from falling through.

Irvin
04-25-2010, 10:10 AM
Thanks Irvin. I've never had any issues stringing O racquets. I don't like the brake on my Gamma but it works well enough. For some reason I thought the Sharpie method was to put it in the O port like a boomerang tool, but your method looks much simpler.

LOL I did too the first time I heard of it. But no way ever a Sharpie cap will fit in any of th O ports that I know of and if it did it would fly out in a heartbeat. But you are correct the boomerang tool does fit into the O port.

Irvin

Irvin
04-25-2010, 10:17 AM
Want to make your own tool for stringing Prince O port rackets?

http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/articles/2008/09/homemade_boomerang_tool.html

Irvin

iplaybetter
04-25-2010, 11:10 AM
You will eventually sheer a string that way, just remind me even more of how awesome my 3000 is

Lakers4Life
04-25-2010, 12:03 PM
Thanks Irvin. I've never had any issues stringing O racquets. I don't like the brake on my Gamma but it works well enough. For some reason I thought the Sharpie method was to put it in the O port like a boomerang tool, but your method looks much simpler.

+1 That's a large Sharpie cap.

LittlE, The brake on my older 5003 was a PITA to lock down, but on my newer 6004 (not 2010 series brake), works quite well.

Irvin
04-25-2010, 01:07 PM
+1 That's a large Sharpie cap...

The cap looks large because it is a macro picture. The cap came off a Sharpie fine point standard size Sharpie and is 1/2 inch outside diameter.

Irvin

Irvin
04-25-2010, 01:09 PM
You will eventually sheer a string that way, just remind me even more of how awesome my 3000 is

I am confused here which method are you saying will sheer a string?

Irvin

iplaybetter
04-25-2010, 01:59 PM
I am confused here which method are you saying will sheer a string?

Irvin

the clamp method, the edge of that clamp is not a nice large diameter circle, if anything is maybe a slightly rounded corner at best

sruckauf
04-25-2010, 02:35 PM
Just throwing in my $.02.

I have found using a Chapstick is better than the sharpie cap on some Ozone/O3/EXO3 racquets. It's a more solid instrument than the sharpie cap, and it's a nice smooth surface for the string to be up against.

I'm not saying it's the end-all replacement for the methods described here, but I've found it useful sometimes.

I'm still personally a fan of the 50/50 method described by Irvin.

Lakers4Life
04-25-2010, 02:47 PM
That flying clamp gave me an idea, but I have no Prince O3 to string at the moment. If you clamped the last main string right the Teeth or Tines of the clamp could be enough to keep the cross separated. I also have an extra set of Gamma clamps I can use, too. I'll post pictures when I get a O3 for re-stringing.

Irvin
04-25-2010, 03:33 PM
Just throwing in my $.02.

I have found using a Chapstick is better than the sharpie cap on some Ozone/O3/EXO3 racquets.
...
I'm still personally a fan of the 50/50 method described by Irvin.

If I string two piece I always use the 50/50 method. If I am stringing one piece my first choice is the boomerang. If I don't have the boomerang I need, I use a 3/8 inch socket extension between the strings and not a sharpie cap. That is smooth steel and seems to work very well.

Irvin

lionel_101
04-25-2010, 03:42 PM
This is not an O port racket but this is how the cap is used. Placing the cap between the strings like this holds the string off so it can be clamped in a horizontal position.

http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp304/Irvin44_2008/Sharpie%20Cap/HPIM29351.jpg

Irvin

Some times a picture is worth a 1000 words. I was trying to put the sharpie cap inside the hole, so it never work.

Irvin
04-25-2010, 03:49 PM
You know I was just thinking all these make shift tools and techniques work OK on the O port rackets but not on the ones that have the pin holes on the sides like the one below:

http://img.tennis-warehouse.com/new_big/PXOR-3.JPG

Place a Sharpie cap between the crosses on one of those racket and you run the chance of ripping the grommet out. If you use the two piece 50/50 method or the boomerang tools you never have to worry about that.

Irvin

sruckauf
04-25-2010, 04:10 PM
3/8 inch socket extension...

Excellent.. as always, thank you for that tip!!

jim e
04-25-2010, 05:20 PM
You know I was just thinking all these make shift tools and techniques work OK on the O port rackets but not on the ones that have the pin holes on the sides like the one below:

http://img.tennis-warehouse.com/new_big/PXOR-3.JPG

Place a Sharpie cap between the crosses on one of those racket and you run the chance of ripping the grommet out. If you use the two piece 50/50 method or the boomerang tools you never have to worry about that.

Irvin

Those racquets always gets the brake!I must be fortunate that the brake holds well with the machine that I have.

leafscat
04-25-2010, 05:45 PM
Just throwing in my $.02.



I'm still personally a fan of the 50/50 method described by Irvin.


Couldn't agree more. I struggled with the hip method, sharpie cap and socket extension. None seemed to promote consistent stringing (I realize this is likely operator error). I have had great success and less headaches with the 50/50 method described by Irvin in other posts.

btw - not a huge fan of the YULitle 50/50 method as it seems a bit tedious.

struggle
04-25-2010, 05:57 PM
Those racquets always gets the brake!I must be fortunate that the brake holds well with the machine that I have.

Jim_e/Irvin,

i just strung my 03 sp black (string hole grommets, like the yellow ones Irvin posted) and didn't bother with any braking/hipping/boomeranging/sharpie lids.

i figured it was ok with the hole grommets. should i NOT do this?
seemed to work fine.

thanks.

Irvin
04-26-2010, 04:29 AM
Jim_e/Irvin,

i just strung my 03 sp black (string hole grommets, like the yellow ones Irvin posted) and didn't bother with any braking/hipping/boomeranging/sharpie lids.

i figured it was ok with the hole grommets. should i NOT do this?
seemed to work fine.

thanks.

I would not do that you are putting a lot of string on the grommets to hold the string off so you can clamp it like that. I would guess sooner or later you are going to rip or pull the grommets out of the frame.

Irvin

Irvin
04-26-2010, 04:48 AM
...btw - not a huge fan of the YULitle 50/50 method as it seems a bit tedious.

Actually the method YULitle uses is the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QJxPjoH1_I

But what 'YULitle' is trying to do is balance the stress on the crosses by weaving and tensioning the crosses from the center up and down similar to what is done on the mains.

When I string an o port racket I string from the center up and then after the top half is complete I string from the center down. I do it this way for a completely different reason that what 'YULitle' is trying to explain in his video. If you want to balance the stress you could do it his way too. Except that his method is tedious and will take longer they are really the same.

Irvin

struggle
04-26-2010, 07:07 AM
I would not do that you are putting a lot of string on the grommets to hold the string off so you can clamp it like that. I would guess sooner or later you are going to rip or pull the grommets out of the frame.

Irvin

STRESS on the grommets, you mean?

so use the brake, i'd reckon?

i do also have boomerang tools en route.

thx

David123
04-26-2010, 12:02 PM
Actually the method YULitle uses is the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QJxPjoH1_I

But what 'YULitle' is trying to do is balance the stress on the crosses by weaving and tensioning the crosses from the center up and down similar to what is done on the mains.

When I string an o port racket I string from the center up and then after the top half is complete I string from the center down. I do it this way for a completely different reason that what 'YULitle' is trying to explain in his video. If you want to balance the stress you could do it his way too. Except that his method is tedious and will take longer they are really the same.

Irvin

Sorry i haven't been really reading the last pages of post but what's the point of 50 50 for cross strings?

Sublime
04-26-2010, 01:32 PM
Sorry i haven't been really reading the last pages of post but what's the point of 50 50 for cross strings?

In the case of the O3s, doing a 50/50 makes it so that all the crosses are being pulled away from 3 and 9 o'clock. So the strings get pulled against the port hole edges they will lay on.

Unless you have a good brake, this is the only way to do an O3 racket IMHO.

Irvin
04-27-2010, 05:08 AM
STRESS on the grommets, you mean?

so use the brake, i'd reckon?

i do also have boomerang tools en route.

thx

Yes I think it would stress the grommets. Do use the boomerang tool I would not use the break because when you do that you are pulling the string from the tension head at an angle instead of straight as you can see in the picture below. Many many people do that but I would not.

http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp304/Irvin44_2008/Sharpie%20Cap/th_HPIM29361.jpg

The closer to the top of the racket you are the greater the angle the closer to the center you are the less the angle. I do not think pulling from an angle like that is good for the tension head on your machine.

Irvin

Irvin
04-27-2010, 05:17 AM
Sorry i haven't been really reading the last pages of post but what's the point of 50 50 for cross strings?

You start the crosses in the center of the racket and string up to the top and down to the bottom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QJxPjoH1_I

Irvin

The_Question
04-27-2010, 11:11 AM
Jim_e/Irvin,

i just strung my 03 sp black (string hole grommets, like the yellow ones Irvin posted) and didn't bother with any braking/hipping/boomeranging/sharpie lids.

i figured it was ok with the hole grommets. should i NOT do this?
seemed to work fine.

thanks.

You're risking the string ripping out of the string hole grommet...

JavierP.R
04-27-2010, 10:53 PM
I definetly need to get into stringing...

toeknee
04-28-2010, 01:23 AM
I simply use a pen/sharpie.

Irvin
04-28-2010, 05:30 AM
Sorry i haven't been really reading the last pages of post but what's the point of 50 50 for cross strings?

Sorry I did not understand your question the first time I read it. When you string a racket the higher the cross is the greater the pull angle is toward the top of the racket. The lower the cross the greater the pull angle is toward the bottom of the racket. In the Prince O ported racket there is a large hole the strings go through instead of a small grommet hole. When you are stringing the racket normally the string goes in the top of the O port and out the bottom of the O port. Tension is pulled on the string as it comes out of the O port. Because of the pull angle and and how the O port is made in the racket if you string top to bottom with no special tools (see first picture in thread for what happens.) The string you are pulling tension on is pulled toward the top of the racket port because of the pull angle. The causes a problem when you try to clamp the string. If you are able to clamp it up that high it is too high and when you release the clamp you will lose a lot of tension when the string slides back.

When you string 50/50 the string go into the bottom of the O port on the top half of the racket and out the top. The pull angle on the top half of the racket forces the strings to lay perfectly straight so they can be clamped. On the bottom half you have just the opposite and he string are perfectly straight again.

Even if you use a boomerang the strings will not be straight. The string will bend around the boomerang, around the O port, and around the boomerang again. It has been tested and proven you will lose tension using this method. If you use other make shift tools (like a Sharpie cap) your string will bend just past the tool. If you have a racket with a pin hole you are begging for trouble all the others should be ok.

If you use a brake or hip method you are putting an abnormal pulling stress on your tension head. I have read on this forum that stringers that use that method a lot have broken their tension head. But until it breaks (if it ever does) it is perfectly fine. Maybe - When you pull tension on a string if it is not in the center of the racket there has got to be a pivot point somewhere. Normally that pivot point is on the racket where it comes out of the grommet. If you turn the racket so the pivot point is at the tip of the tension head what are you changing? Is the tension the same? Will it break your machine? I know I have a Wise tension head and it will not work this way.

There are some drawbacks to the 50/50 method though I must admit. It is like you are stringing the bottom half of the crosses two times. It takes a little longer because you can not weave the crosses as fast, but that is of little concern to me.

If I were going to recommend one pattern for the Prince O Port and Wilson Roller rackets it would be the two piece 50/50 hands down. It is the only method that holds the cross string perfectly straight while stringing through the O port and or pin hole grommet, it is an acceptable method verified by Prince, it does not pull any abnormal stress on your tension head, it can be used on any and all stringing machines (try using the hip method on a table top machine with no brake,) requires no special tools caps or spacers, and you don't have to worry about starting your crosses on the wrong side. It is impossible to start the crosses on the wrong side.

Irvin

Lakers4Life
04-29-2010, 02:31 PM
Yes I think it would stress the grommets. Do use the boomerang tool I would not use the break because when you do that you are pulling the string from the tension head at an angle instead of straight as you can see in the picture below. Many many people do that but I would not.

http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp304/Irvin44_2008/Sharpie%20Cap/th_HPIM29361.jpg

The closer to the top of the racket you are the greater the angle the closer to the center you are the less the angle. I do not think pulling from an angle like that is good for the tension head on your machine.

Irvin

I just strung a Prince EXO3 Graphite on my 6004 with a Wise 2086 Pro. You mentioned it makes a knocking sound when pulling a more than 10% angles. If you use the diablo correctly, it does not make that sound. In your picture above the diablo is missing. I highly suggest to anyone using a Wise 2086 Pro to string a Prince O3 type racket, use the brake and the diablo.