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TheLambsheadrep
04-23-2010, 05:20 AM
No matter what string I use, I like contact of the tennis ball to feel very crisp and make that nice pop sound. I try to get this feel by using worm dampeners, and they seem to do the trick. but is there another method that works better at drastically reducing vibration? please vote in the poll then explain in the forum. thanks


oh, one more thing. I was demoing a Head Flexpoint Radical OS, and contact felt very soft and cushiony, kinda the opposite of what I described I like. Except, I kinda did like it. how would you get a racket to feel like this?

Orion
04-23-2010, 07:19 AM
Rubber bands do it for me. They take the "pingy" sound out of the stringbed.

I liked the Head UltraTour string that Head pre-strung the Agassi LE Tour with. Maybe someone can chime in on what demo string Head uses. Their strings are serviceable but you'll be hard-pressed to upgrade and start experimenting with hybrids. That being said, I still use prefer UltraTour in the Agassi LE.

pvaudio
04-23-2010, 07:56 AM
#64 rubber band on the center mains. Nothing else better for the money or the performance.

spectrablue
04-23-2010, 07:59 AM
#64 rubber band on the center mains. Nothing else better for the money or the performance.

Rubber band is the best. Cheap but very effective.

SpinDog
04-23-2010, 08:08 AM
I haven't found anything better than a #64 RB

Sizz
04-23-2010, 08:36 AM
Prince "The Silencer" hands down for these reasons:

1. $2.50
2. Will never break because it's solid rubber, no plastic hooks or liquid goop to ooze out.
3. O ring ends hold it in place between cross&main junctions. This keeps it in place and rarely pops out. Had one side pop off 2 times over the last 4 years. Even then it stays in place because it's woven in the strings.
4. Dampens well with minimal weight.
4. Looks better than a rubberband.

Sizz
04-23-2010, 08:39 AM
Forgot to mention, I'm not talking about the Prince NXG Silencer. That's a different design.

Marc C.
04-23-2010, 08:41 AM
Just because it sounds crisp doesn't mean it's good shot. A good player can produce that pop sound with no dampener in his strings at all. Try playing with no dampener and focus on your game and you'll be hitting that "pop" soon enough.

MuscleWeave
04-23-2010, 10:37 AM
When I use a full bed of PU milti, I don't need a vibration dampener. But I've switched to poly (hybrid or full, I haven't decided yet) in my AG200. I tie a rubber band in a rectangle around 4 mains and 2 bottom crosses. It's cheap, effective, and I like the old school, hardcore style.

David123
04-23-2010, 01:43 PM
rubber band!

genius24
04-23-2010, 01:49 PM
rubber band!

agreed! rubber band works best for me as well after all these years of trying diff things

TheLambsheadrep
04-23-2010, 09:01 PM
does everyone mean a single rubber band over just the two strings like a standard dampener in the middle or stretched out like a worm dampener?

Booyah
04-24-2010, 08:14 AM
does everyone mean a single rubber band over just the two strings like a standard dampener in the middle or stretched out like a worm dampener?

A single rubber band over just the two strings works best for me.

TheLambsheadrep
04-24-2010, 09:55 AM
anyone else want to comment on using a single rubber band over just the two strings like a standard dampener in the middle or stretched out like a worm dampener?

also, anyone know about what I was asking in regards to the Head Radical Flexpoint OS feel?

pvaudio
04-24-2010, 09:58 AM
A stretched out rubber band across the mains won't do anything for you. The center two mains are all that are necessary.

TheLambsheadrep
04-24-2010, 06:38 PM
anyone know about what I was asking in regards to the Head Radical Flexpoint OS feel, how to make contact feel cushiony?

TheLambsheadrep
04-25-2010, 11:04 AM
so people really think the single dampener is better at dampening than the worm dampener?

TheLambsheadrep
04-27-2010, 10:08 PM
help please

Ambivalent
04-27-2010, 10:31 PM
Gamma shockbuster worm is the best dampener.

TheLambsheadrep
04-28-2010, 06:18 AM
Gamma shockbuster worm is the best dampener.

really? I have one and to me, it doesnt compare with the Head Smartsorb. I've tried the two back to back on the same racket, def a diff feel. Also, I cant generate as much spin with the Gamma for some reason

TheLambsheadrep
04-28-2010, 06:19 AM
and if you vote "other", please let me know what it is

LPShanet
04-28-2010, 09:04 PM
so people really think the single dampener is better at dampening than the worm dampener?

I think your original post is a bit confusing to some. You state that you like a crisp feel and describe liking responsiveness. Then you say you like the worm, and want the most dampening. These things are contradictory. To most players, crisp and responsive would be the opposite of extreme dampening. After all, the feeback, response and touch are all factors of vibration. By reducing it, you also reduce the crispness and feedback. Maybe you meant to describe the worm as making the racquet feel "solid"? That would be easier to understand in terms of what it does.

The worm is one of the most extreme dampeners in terms of reducing perceived vibration. (In reality, none of the dampeners reduce actual shock/vibration, which is why I used perceived.) There is nothing crisp or responsive about it. By contrast, something smaller, like a single ring or a rubber band, will be much crisper and offer more feedback on your shot, but won't stop the "ping" as much. Generally, size and string contact surface area will be a good indicator of how much vibration dampening you'll get, since these things are not magic. The real trick is going to be figuring out what you're really after. So to answer your question, no, a single dampener will not be better at dampening than the worm. But to many that is a good thing, as they would rather have the perceived feedback.

Guamanian G
04-28-2010, 09:55 PM
A rubber band around two strings does the job!

TheLambsheadrep
04-28-2010, 10:14 PM
Maybe you meant to describe the worm as making the racquet feel "solid"? That would be easier to understand in terms of what it does.

Solid does seem like a better word, but i think the less vibration there is, due to the worm, the crisper it sounds. at a tourney my worm shock broke, and i had to switch to a standard dampener. it was more ping-y and contact felt less "taught." so i interpret the more taught contact feel as crisper, is that incorrect?

richw56
04-28-2010, 10:37 PM
I experimented with different dampeners quite a bit last year, when I had a touch of tendonitis ('tennis elbow'). It seemed to me that the Forten worm was most effective at dampening vibration.

LPShanet
04-28-2010, 11:19 PM
Solid does seem like a better word, but i think the less vibration there is, due to the worm, the crisper it sounds. at a tourney my worm shock broke, and i had to switch to a standard dampener. it was more ping-y and contact felt less "taught." so i interpret the more taught contact feel as crisper, is that incorrect?

I suppose it's just semantics, but crisp is usually associated with sharpness, and the worm causes the sharp impact sound to become a lower, more thud-like sound. Crisp = biting into an apple. The worm is more like dropping the apple on the ground:)

At any rate, I don't know of any dampener that reduces the ping sound more than the worm. It (and others that contact multiple strings) seems to dampen the most. But there are quite a few versions of the horizontal worm-type dampener. If you want to experiment with others that feel similar, look for others that are long, and intertwine with multiple strings. Most companies make one of that type, such as the Babolat IG System or RVS, the various Forten worms (there are a few versions), the Gamma shockbuster and shockbuster II, the Head Smartsorb, and Prince Silencer. Pretty sure Wilson makes one, too.

TheLambsheadrep
04-28-2010, 11:32 PM
ok, what creates a "crisp" sound then?

i meant crisp as in making a good pop sound from contact, like when hitting indoors. that sound alone makes me play better, i love that sound and so far the worm has been closest to allowing my hits to sound like that outside.

MuscleWeave
04-29-2010, 05:21 PM
Ping
Crack
Pop
Thud

lolitsanasian
04-29-2010, 08:30 PM
I haven't found anything better than a #64 RB

I like the rubber bands, but I play in SoCal where it gets hot...
Which means the rubber band heats up and it gets all messed up so yea...

Just went back to logo dampeners

Tennis_Crazed
04-29-2010, 08:38 PM
I haven't found anything better than a #64 RB

i usually use just a rubber band. is a #64 a special type of rubber band? Excuse my ignorance

TheLambsheadrep
04-29-2010, 09:40 PM
ok, what creates a "crisp" sound then?

i meant crisp as in making a good pop sound from contact, like when hitting indoors. that sound alone makes me play better, i love that sound and so far the worm has been closest to allowing my hits to sound like that outside.

SpinDog
04-30-2010, 07:47 AM
...I tie a rubber band in a rectangle around 4 mains and 2 bottom crosses. It's cheap, effective, and I like the old school, hardcore style.

If you intend to play USTA league tennis they specify that "these devices may only be placed outside the pattern of the crossed strings"

TheLambsheadrep
04-30-2010, 08:31 PM
hey, i hit with a rubber banded racket today, and it felt more like what i was describing with the Flexpoint Radical OS, more cushy. it felt ok, but there was a ping, and i switched back to the racket with the worm grip and used that the rest of the time (about 15min w/rubber band, at least 1 hour with the worm).

now, reviews for the Head Smartsorb worm grip, which I use, say that they plastic ends snap within a few months. that is not the case for me, and im assuming the breaking occurs only when contact between the plastic and the ball is made, right? theres no other reason why the ends would break?

TheLambsheadrep
05-01-2010, 08:30 AM
any thoughts on my last post?

TheLambsheadrep
05-01-2010, 06:32 PM
any thoughts?

SuperDuy
05-01-2010, 06:49 PM
all I use is this cheap cheap dampener and it seems to work... it came with an overgrip.

TheLambsheadrep
05-02-2010, 05:42 PM
do the people using rubber bands/standard dampeners still get the ping like i was getting?

TheLambsheadrep
05-03-2010, 08:22 PM
help please

drakulie
05-03-2010, 08:31 PM
If you want the loudest sound, don't use a dampener. Dampeners not only take away that "ping" you speak of, but also mute the sound.

TheLambsheadrep
05-04-2010, 08:34 AM
is there a way to get the pop without the ping? haha, that just sounds funny

kato669
05-04-2010, 08:43 AM
i usually use just a rubber band. is a #64 a special type of rubber band? Excuse my ignorance

#64 is a size/class of rubber band in the US. If you go to an office supply store and ask for #64 rubber bands, they'll know exactly what you're looking for.

TheLambsheadrep
05-04-2010, 08:54 AM
is there a way to get the pop without the ping?

Chris Rizutto
05-04-2010, 09:04 AM
Sampras O's beeby.

drakulie
05-04-2010, 09:06 AM
is there a way to get the pop without the ping? haha, that just sounds funny


I don't use a dampener, and honestly, I don't hear the "ping". If you are hitting the ball square and fairly hard, that "pinging" sound isn't as magnified.

TheLambsheadrep
05-04-2010, 02:58 PM
I don't use a dampener, and honestly, I don't hear the "ping". If you are hitting the ball square and fairly hard, that "pinging" sound isn't as magnified.

what racket do you use/tension/string?

Preston
05-04-2010, 03:59 PM
Hot tub...

TheLambsheadrep
05-04-2010, 04:35 PM
relevancy please

drakulie
05-04-2010, 07:40 PM
what racket do you use/tension/string?

KPS88, Microgel Prestige Mid, Youtek Prestige Pro.

all strung at approx 63-65.

current string, Black Magic

Preston
05-05-2010, 07:45 AM
relevancy please

Just a joke man. Dampen, damp, to dampen myself I prefer a hot tub. Smile a little, it makes life better. :)

I use the sampras circle dampeners. I don't know that they are the "best", but they stay on well and work to my satisfaction.

Applesauceman
05-05-2010, 09:44 AM
Prince "The Silencer" hands down for these reasons:

1. $2.50
2. Will never break because it's solid rubber, no plastic hooks or liquid goop to ooze out.
3. O ring ends hold it in place between cross&main junctions. This keeps it in place and rarely pops out. Had one side pop off 2 times over the last 4 years. Even then it stays in place because it's woven in the strings.
4. Dampens well with minimal weight.
4. Looks better than a rubberband.

I second the Prince Silencer. It's my favorite dampener.

TheLambsheadrep
05-05-2010, 08:01 PM
i think im going to trade in my gamma shock buster for a second head smartsorb, maybe buy 1 or 2 more on top of that. the rubber bands are handy too, not my favorite tho

DownTheLine
05-05-2010, 08:14 PM
I'm going out on a limb here. But couldn't you add silicone?

TheLambsheadrep
05-05-2010, 08:18 PM
how would one do that?

yoshitoshi
05-05-2010, 08:20 PM
i vote for Pete Sampras 'O'. :)

yoshitoshi
05-06-2010, 08:29 AM
has anybody tried Gamma Shocknot?

MuscleWeave
05-08-2010, 10:21 PM
If you intend to play USTA league tennis they specify that "these devices may only be placed outside the pattern of the crossed strings"

I did not know that. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I guess I'll just appreciate my setup more, until the day comes when it will be banned.

JW10S
05-08-2010, 10:24 PM
Hit the ball in the sweet spot.

TheLambsheadrep
06-01-2010, 05:05 PM
has anyone tried this?
http://www.keller-sports.com/accessories/head-perfect-damp.html

TheLambsheadrep
06-03-2010, 08:03 AM
anyone know about that dampener?

TennisNinja
06-03-2010, 06:19 PM
Single dampener for me, plus a tiny rubber loop around the throat.

Carlito
06-03-2010, 07:26 PM
The poll is "which is best at reducing vibration". The clear answer is the worm. There is no way any other option "reduces vibration" more than a worm that wraps around the bottom strings. Not even a rubberband.

But the title of the thread is "best way to dampen". This is a completly different question. Personally I use a single O type because it dampens the vibration to a level I like. Personally I think the worm types kill to much vibration and I think I need some vibration for feedback. What is best for you is subjective.

Personally I think single damps are the best but each one has different levels of effectiveness, The wilson fun-vibe probably allow the most vibe through and some people like that. I like the Sampras O the best because it kills more vibe than most single damps out there. I really depends on the material. The softer it is the more vibe it kills. Worms work too well for me.

TheLambsheadrep
06-03-2010, 08:05 PM
true, sorry for the difference in the questions. as stated, i use the worm dampeners and like them because they produce a solid feel and make a great pop sound with contact. i was pretty much trying to figure out which option would produce the most pop sound on contact (like when hitting indoors, i love hitting indoors). i love the sound of contact when watching a professional tourny on tv, and i know it comes from the echo effect of the high stands because i never get that sound outside with a standard dampener or rubber band.

rafattack
06-04-2010, 10:54 AM
Prince "The Silencer" hands down for these reasons:

1. $2.50
2. Will never break because it's solid rubber, no plastic hooks or liquid goop to ooze out.
3. O ring ends hold it in place between cross&main junctions. This keeps it in place and rarely pops out. Had one side pop off 2 times over the last 4 years. Even then it stays in place because it's woven in the strings.
4. Dampens well with minimal weight.
4. Looks better than a rubberband.

Ditto on "The Silencer"-
Instead of stretching it out, I have it cross back so that it only wraps the 4 main strings. Looks way better than a rubber band...