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khw72004
04-23-2010, 09:45 AM
Personally I like open throat woods like the Pro Kennex Golden Ace, and Blue Ace. Are there many people still crazy about wood rackets? I know the Borg Pro is still in High Demand but what else are people searching for.

I feel that some wood rackets have great cosmetics that shouldn't be forgotten. If you want post some pictures of your favorite wood rackets.

Virginia
04-23-2010, 12:41 PM
I feel there's nothing to beat woods and wood composites in terms of sheer beauty and elegance, as well as workmanship.

I've been putting together a collection of Davis racqets, which were the most expensive of all the woods (especially the Duke, which had a thin band of aluminium around the hoop) and now have almost 30 of them, including the open throat Imperial and TAD. I'll post some pictures once I can get myself organised properly. :)

galain
04-24-2010, 09:48 AM
I think they're beautiful too. The Edgewood I think is the most attractive frame ever made.

MarrratSafin
04-25-2010, 12:14 AM
Personally I like open throat woods like the Pro Kennex Golden Ace, and Blue Ace. Are there many people still crazy about wood rackets? I know the Borg Pro is still in High Demand but what else are people searching for.

I feel that some wood rackets have great cosmetics that shouldn't be forgotten. If you want post some pictures of your favorite wood rackets.

The woodies are works of art. I'm not mad about them but do enjoy keeping a few of my favorites. I have a new Golden Ace and a Blue Ace too, these have simply beautiful paintjobs. The Edgewood is a beautiful frame too, and still hold its ground nicely against the power frames of today.:)

http://i42.tinypic.com/3534jzl.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/auwbnl.jpg

jimbo333
04-25-2010, 07:31 AM
I feel there's nothing to beat woods and wood composites in terms of sheer beauty and elegance, as well as workmanship.

I've been putting together a collection of Davis racqets, which were the most expensive of all the woods (especially the Duke, which had a thin band of aluminium around the hoop) and now have almost 30 of them, including the open throat Imperial and TAD. I'll post some pictures once I can get myself organised properly. :)

Looking forward to seeing the photos:)

jimbo333
04-25-2010, 07:35 AM
The woodies are works of art. I'm not mad about them but do enjoy keeping a few of my favorites. I have a new Golden Ace and a Blue Ace too, these have simply beautiful paintjobs. The Edgewood is a beautiful frame too, and still hold its ground nicely against the power frames of today.:)

http://i42.tinypic.com/3534jzl.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/auwbnl.jpg

Great photos:)

andfor
04-25-2010, 07:35 AM
The woodies are works of art. I'm not mad about them but do enjoy keeping a few of my favorites. I have a new Golden Ace and a Blue Ace too, these have simply beautiful paintjobs. The Edgewood is a beautiful frame too, and still hold its ground nicely against the power frames of today.:)

http://i42.tinypic.com/3534jzl.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/auwbnl.jpg

Man am I jealous! I wish I had the Kennex Golden Ace and a Prince Woodie in my collection! Someday.........

MarrratSafin
04-25-2010, 03:52 PM
Great photos:)

Thanks.:) jimbo, I remember seeing a photo of the wood/graphite Head Vector posted by you (or is it someone else?), can you post it again or let me know which thread to find it in? I'm missing that one and have been looking for ages.

MarrratSafin
04-25-2010, 03:53 PM
Man am I jealous! I wish I had the Kennex Golden Ace and a Prince Woodie in my collection! Someday.........

Should be able to find some on the bay, not as easy to find in mint condition though.:)

jimbo333
04-25-2010, 04:20 PM
Thanks.:) jimbo, I remember seeing a photo of the wood/graphite Head Vector posted by you (or is it someone else?), can you post it again or let me know which thread to find it in? I'm missing that one and have been looking for ages.

Yes will find it and post here:)

Your racquets look in such great condition!

My GLC is quite badly warped:evil:

jimbo333
04-25-2010, 04:23 PM
Here it is:)

Very similar to the GLC actually!


Head Vector (Wood/Graphite)

This was my actual racquet that I used in the early 80's, it is a superb racquet!

Size is in between the Edgewood and the Vilas.

http://i50.tinypic.com/1zfk587.jpg

MarrratSafin
04-25-2010, 04:57 PM
Thanks jimbo.:) great racquet! Hopefully I'll find one in the near future, no luck thus far though. I'll play with the GLC again, forgot how it was like. Those woodies I have are all in great condition, but it did took some time to make up this small collection!:)

jimbo333
04-25-2010, 05:06 PM
Thanks jimbo.:) great racquet! Hopefully I'll find one in the near future, no luck thus far though. I'll play with the GLC again, forgot how it was like. Those woodies I have are all in great condition, but it did took some time to make up this small collection!:)

They are rare I think!

They're all good really good to play with, but like I said the Vector and GLC are definitely the best for me:)

Finding these in Near Mint condition is really hard to do. I have a Mint Edgewood and Vilas, but my Vector, GLC and VLC are really well used, especially the Vector!

I also have the Edgewood (Taiwan version) and Director (Wood/Graphite), which are also quite well used, but really nice racquets as well:)

dataseviltwin
04-26-2010, 06:00 AM
Yamaha had a couple that were just beautiful - I think Yuth had 'em. I'm a wood racquet fanatic - Maxply McEnroe was a nice piece of workmanship, and I've got stuff all the way back to about ca. 1900 - workmanship that went into these frames was something... :)

heathcliff
04-26-2010, 03:12 PM
i have a pro kennex blue ace and a prince woodie...very beautiful babies ;-)
also a wilson jk ps, a maxply fort and a donnay allwood...
itīs not that difficult to play decent tennis with a wooden racket...very fun to play with

Clintspin
04-27-2010, 11:17 AM
http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/zero/

I can't resist them. I love the paint jobs and some of the beautiful wood. I just don't have room for them but can't stop. Help!

I play with a few dozen of my favorites.

tennis005
04-27-2010, 11:23 AM
I have a couple open throat woods. A Slazenger Omega and a PK Golden Ace. Both are beautiful frames.

schu47
04-27-2010, 12:35 PM
I think a lot of us are crazy about the woods. Everyone on this thread seems to have an appreciation of them -- and some great collections, too.

What I love are the the beautiful wood grains, unmatched graphics, the attention to detail -- there's nothing like that today.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9c16ebJG4I/AAAAAAAAewo/iZTTZX5sqlw/s800/P1030384.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9c14Z5FkHI/AAAAAAAAewU/1hTq0cL5ukI/s800/P1020331.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9c10riMIuI/AAAAAAAAevw/xd72pSlACOs/s800/P1020318.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9c13QFQqJI/AAAAAAAAewM/aaasEOKpREI/s800/P1020329.JPG

schu47
04-27-2010, 12:40 PM
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9c12wJ6c4I/AAAAAAAAewE/mZtv3GVU3HQ/s800/P1020323.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9c1z_fFESI/AAAAAAAAevo/uv-pZ8qYYFM/s800/P4020412.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9c14NI30QI/AAAAAAAAewQ/J7RwpwLbZcg/s800/P1020330.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9c14qdqbOI/AAAAAAAAewY/FM1PbasxSKU/s800/P1020332.JPG

jimbo333
04-27-2010, 02:34 PM
http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/zero/

I can't resist them. I love the paint jobs and some of the beautiful wood. I just don't have room for them but can't stop. Help!

I play with a few dozen of my favorites.

See what you mean:)

What is funny is that these photos look just like my place, only with more wood racquets:shock:

Thanks for email by the way, good to see you posting photos on here:)

jimbo333
04-27-2010, 02:35 PM
I think a lot of us are crazy about the woods. Everyone on this thread seems to have an appreciation of them -- and some great collections, too.

What I love are the the beautiful wood grains, unmatched graphics, the attention to detail -- there's nothing like that today.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9c16ebJG4I/AAAAAAAAewo/iZTTZX5sqlw/s800/P1030384.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9c14Z5FkHI/AAAAAAAAewU/1hTq0cL5ukI/s800/P1020331.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9c10riMIuI/AAAAAAAAevw/xd72pSlACOs/s800/P1020318.JPG



Absolutely Superb photos again:)

MarrratSafin
04-27-2010, 02:44 PM
Nice photos Schu47, those Yamahas are stunning!!:)

schu47
04-27-2010, 03:15 PM
There are so many great collectors on this thread -- jimbo, marrat, tennis 005, and now Clintspin -- and Heathcliff and dataseviltwin, who seem to have some great old woods, too. And of course, Virginia, my favorite lady.

It would be great to see even more photos.

Here's one I thought people might be interested in. I bought it just because of the name, and I'd like to thank Slazenger for making it. Even the names were better back then.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9c146gjANI/AAAAAAAAewc/UUnq-m4VL9A/s800/P1030156.JPG

coachrick
04-27-2010, 03:40 PM
Here's one I thought people might be interested in. I bought it just because of the name, and I'd like to thank Slazenger for making it. Even the names were better back then.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9c146gjANI/AAAAAAAAewc/UUnq-m4VL9A/s800/P1030156.JPG

Seems quite reasonable since they also made the XTC :) .

Somebody REALLY liked their job!

retrowagen
04-27-2010, 04:27 PM
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9c14Z5FkHI/AAAAAAAAewU/1hTq0cL5ukI/s800/P1020331.JPG

Wow, that Spalding Lotus appears to be a repaint of the Snauwaert LaGrande! Is it marked, "Made in Belgium," Schu?

I'm really enjoying seeing the photos of the other lovely wood racquets, by the way. (And I just minutes ago found a minty Snauwaert LaGrande, strung with natural gut, for a paltry sum.) Good stuff...

schu47
04-27-2010, 06:08 PM
Retro, you are amazing. How do you pick up on these subtle similarities? You are absolutely the best. And congrats on getting a La Grande -- with natural gut, no less. One of the great wood composites.

Actually, the Lotus doesn't say "Made in Belgium." It's much more classy -- it says "Handcrafted in Belgium." I'd bet, like you, that it's a Snauwaert. Amazing the incest in the racquet world, isn't it?

But I don't think it's the La Grande. think it is a repaint of the Snauwaert Fibre Composite -- a smaller head than the La Grande. I didn't even see the resemblance until you mentioned it, and then lined them up and saw they were definitely from the same mold. I think the Boronite also is the same mold.

Here are the Lotus, and the Lotus and Fibre Composite. Don't you love the paint job on the Lotus? It's one of my favorites.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9c1wGSjcNI/AAAAAAAAevI/QLflsqIZn00/s800/PA252208.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9eR53T1hcI/AAAAAAAAezE/NzFitUCwkbI/s800/P1050689.JPG

pshulam
04-27-2010, 06:27 PM
^^beautiful wood rackets!! Wow.

retrowagen
04-27-2010, 06:37 PM
Retro, you are amazing. How do you pick up on these subtle similarities? You are absolutely the best. And congrats on getting a La Grande -- with natural gut, no less. One of the great wood composites.

Actually, the Lotus doesn't say "Made in Belgium." It's much more classy -- it says "Handcrafted in Belgium." I'd bet, like you, that it's a Snauwaert. Amazing the incest in the racquet world, isn't it?

But I don't think it's the La Grande. think it is a repaint of the Snauwaert Fibre Composite -- a smaller head than the La Grande. I didn't even see the resemblance until you mentioned it, and then lined them up and saw they were definitely from the same mold. I think the Boronite also is the same mold.

Here are the Lotus, and the Lotus and Fibre Composite. Don't you love the paint job on the Lotus? It's one of my favorites.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9c1wGSjcNI/AAAAAAAAevI/QLflsqIZn00/s800/PA252208.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9eR53T1hcI/AAAAAAAAezE/NzFitUCwkbI/s800/P1050689.JPG

Oh, double wow, and sure enough! I do believe you are correct there. Thanks for the brilliant follow-up to my question. My visual cue was the wispy arms of the shaft, and six (SIX??!!!) pairs of mains spanning the throat. You don't see that everyday.

OK, then, how does the Spalding Big Bow compare to the LaGrande? Perhaps these two are also twins, separated from birth and raised by two different families in Tennistown back in the 70's...?

schu47
04-27-2010, 07:47 PM
Seems quite reasonable since they also made the XTC :) .

Somebody REALLY liked their job!

That's great, coachrick. The XTC and the Climax. Slazenger also made a racquet called the Boodie. Not quite the right spelling, but a nice name nonetheless.

Virginia
04-27-2010, 09:41 PM
Retro, you are amazing. How do you pick up on these subtle similarities? You are absolutely the best. And congrats on getting a La Grande -- with natural gut, no less. One of the great wood composites.

Actually, the Lotus doesn't say "Made in Belgium." It's much more classy -- it says "Handcrafted in Belgium." I'd bet, like you, that it's a Snauwaert. Amazing the incest in the racquet world, isn't it?

But I don't think it's the La Grande. think it is a repaint of the Snauwaert Fibre Composite -- a smaller head than the La Grande. I didn't even see the resemblance until you mentioned it, and then lined them up and saw they were definitely from the same mold. I think the Boronite also is the same mold.


Oh, double wow, and sure enough! I do believe you are correct there. Thanks for the brilliant follow-up to my question. My visual cue was the wispy arms of the shaft, and six (SIX??!!!) pairs of mains spanning the throat. You don't see that everyday.

OK, then, how does the Spalding Big Bow compare to the LaGrande? Perhaps these two are also twins, separated from birth and raised by two different families in Tennistown back in the 70's...?

The interesting thing is that the Lotus appears to have the same mold as the famed Snauwaert Speedshaft - except that the beam is thicker on the Lotus.

Incest indeed!

schu47
04-28-2010, 06:43 AM
The interesting thing is that the Lotus appears to have the same mold as the famed Snauwaert Speedshaft - except that the beam is thicker on the Lotus.

Incest indeed!

Virginia, you are so smart. I have a Speedshaft, and sure enough, it's a match to the Lotus and Snauwaert Fibre Composite. All of them made (by Snauwaert, I assume) in Belgium. The Lotus is ashwood and Boron, and I think the Speedshaft and Fibre Composite are the same racquet with a different paintjob. Both are ash and fiberglass.

Good, quality racquets, too. According to that great 80s-tennis website, Navratilova used a Spalding Speedshaft early in her career.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9hGloIAc5I/AAAAAAAAe18/kpHSGc74M60/s800/P1050693.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9hGl048M1I/AAAAAAAAe2A/7PlzVH_eDpk/s800/P1050696.JPG

coachrick
04-28-2010, 06:52 AM
Those wide-shouldered Spaldings and Snauwaerts really were a pain to string on the early model Ektelon machines so popular in the '70s. Darned things couldn't be mounted properly! The finish on the Lotus was beautiful but chipped quite easily...similar to the Speedshaft finish. Does anyone remember the trim on the 'red' trimmed Spalding Speedshaft fading and turning the shaft of the racket pink? I remember a couple of customers having a real problem with that...once the shaft/throat was discolored, there was no going back!

Have we mentioned the La Vitesse? An attractive racket but I never could figure how a slit above the handle of the racket would produce any more 'speed'.

coachrick
04-28-2010, 06:58 AM
Good, quality racquets, too. According to that great 80s-tennis website, Navratilova used a Spalding Speedshaft early in her career.


Indeed, I remember Martina and Rosi Casals both using the Speedshaft at Sea Pines/Hilton Head tournaments. Seems they had similar, rather unattractive dresses that had matching eyelet trim(white/red, white/turquoise ?).

schu47
04-28-2010, 07:13 AM
OK, then, how does the Spalding Big Bow compare to the LaGrande? Perhaps these two are also twins, separated from birth and raised by two different families in Tennistown back in the 70's...?

David, how do you remember all this stuff? You're making me go back and dig out my old frames to check them out. Turns out the Big Bow and La Grande are very comparable -- not twins, but probably kissing cousins. Same long, open shaft, same beam width, ash and fiberglass construction. However, The La Grande was made in Belgium, the Spalding in Japan; and the Big Bow's head is just slightly larger -- maybe 5 sq. in.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9hNrs8CGrI/AAAAAAAAe2k/eobejcEM0uo/s800/P1050708.JPG

The Big Bow's larger head.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9hGlXP5szI/AAAAAAAAe14/I6KMrLaxTdQ/s800/P1050692.JPG

The other interesting thing is that the Big Bow and La Grande fiberglass are much more alike than the two Snauwaert La Grande models. The other La Grande, which is more reminiscent of the Pro Kennex wood composites, has a shorter neck, wider beam and is wood and graphite instead of fiberglass.

Here are the two La Grandes:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9hQN4gOPvI/AAAAAAAAe3A/xxr9xUgvJnM/s800/P1050709.JPG

coachrick
04-28-2010, 07:29 AM
schu, I'm sad that I can't open your pics...says it can't be found. :(

Great info, though! Snauwaert had some absolutely gorgeous rackets in the '70s. The matching specs indicated on each racket really caught the attention of many customers...no 'balance board' needed!

retrowagen
04-28-2010, 09:12 AM
Good stuff all. Snauwaert in Belgium was the "shadow" OEM for a few other brands: Spalding in the wood era; Fila and Lacoste, it seems (for some limited production stuff) in the graphite composite era.

I seem to recall the Rossignol Strato and C-12 were twins to a corresponding pair of Garcia woods (all USA-made). Schu', you wouldn't happen to have specimens of this quartet stashed away in your arsenal to compare and show, would ya?

(The C-12 was also the twin to the Head Vilas, so it would seem.)

schu47
04-28-2010, 10:11 AM
Good stuff all. Snauwaert in Belgium was the "shadow" OEM for a few other brands: Spalding in the wood era; Fila and Lacoste, it seems (for some limited production stuff) in the graphite composite era.

I seem to recall the Rossignol Strato and C-12 were twins to a corresponding pair of Garcia woods (all USA-made). Schu', you wouldn't happen to have specimens of this quartet stashed away in your arsenal to compare and show, would ya?

(The C-12 was also the twin to the Head Vilas, so it would seem.)

Retro, you're wearing me out. I have to keep running down the basement to go through my stash. I don't have the Strato (yet), but I do have the C-12, Graphite Garcia and Head Vilas. And darned if you aren't right again. They're the same. You should go on some vintage tennis quiz show.

All of these are wood/graphite composites, all (even the Rossignol) are USA-made, and the mold again seems identical. The only difference I can see is that the throat opening in the Vilas is a touch smaller than the other two. That wouldn't have been a difficult change to make, would it? No wonder the Garcia is such a nice racquet -- it's actually a Head Vilas!

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9h30KXm5eI/AAAAAAAAe4E/bhJv9j0-l14/s800/P1050711.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9h30-BrpHI/AAAAAAAAe4I/yZPY1zU7_J8/s800/P1050712.JPG

Got any others? :)

retrowagen
04-28-2010, 10:33 AM
Retro, you're wearing me out. I have to keep running down the basement to go through my stash. I don't have the Strato (yet), but I do have the C-12, Graphite Garcia and Head Vilas. And darned if you aren't right again. They're the same. You should go on some vintage tennis quiz show.

All of these are wood/graphite composites, all (even the Rossignol) are USA-made, and the mold again seems identical. The only difference I can see is that the throat opening in the Vilas is a touch smaller than the other two. That wouldn't have been a difficult change to make, would it? No wonder the Garcia is such a nice racquet -- it's actually a Head Vilas!

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9h30KXm5eI/AAAAAAAAe4E/bhJv9j0-l14/s800/P1050711.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9h30-BrpHI/AAAAAAAAe4I/yZPY1zU7_J8/s800/P1050712.JPG

Got any others? :)


Schu', a tremendous word of thanks goes out to you for being such a great sport! (and, it must be said, I envy your collection there - you have some really nice and interesting specimens!)

I'd love to see the comparison photos you have taken the time to post, but for some unbeknownst reason, those in your last two or three posts in this thread aren't displaying. :?

schu47
04-28-2010, 11:32 AM
Schu', a tremendous word of thanks goes out to you for being such a great sport! (and, it must be said, I envy your collection there - you have some really nice and interesting specimens!)

I'd love to see the comparison photos you have taken the time to post, but for some unbeknownst reason, those in your last two or three posts in this thread aren't displaying. :?

That's strange. I can see them on my screen. Are they showing up for anyone else, I wonder.

Virginia
04-28-2010, 12:38 PM
I can't see those images either, schu.

By the way, I think David might have been referring to a standard Garcia woodie, when he referred to a pair of twins - you and I both have the Rossi Strato (remember I gave you one?) and it's not a composite. The triplets, as we've discovered (and I have all three as well) are the C12, Gargia Graphite and Vilas. Gorgeous racquets!

As I recall, your Speedshaft is the Spalding version and mine is the Snauwaert, but I think we decided they had the same mold as well, didn't we?

And here's another coincidence - the Madison King Pro is a dead ringer for the PK Golden Ace!

coachrick
04-28-2010, 01:42 PM
The only pic link working for me was the last one of the group:) .


The Garcia Graphite would be the forerunner to the C-12 since Rossignol bought out the Garcia/Cragin factory in Van Buren, Maine. The Strato was preceded by the Garcia 240, both direct competitors to the Kramer Autograph. Correct as mentioned, no graphite in the Strato or 240.

Honestly, I would be surprised if the Vilas came from the same factory as the Garcia/Rossi versions of the open throat wood+ frame. BUT, I've been wrong before...just not in the last minute or so :) .

jimbo333
04-28-2010, 02:30 PM
That's strange. I can see them on my screen. Are they showing up for anyone else, I wonder.

No, I can't see any of your last 7 photos:(

Clintspin
04-28-2010, 03:03 PM
Coach Rick-it's funny that you brought up the Spalding La Vitesse. I have one and really liked the feel of it, so I strung it with gut in the mains just last week. I have been playing with it. Very solid racquet. Strange how Spalding was making good stuff and really bad stuff at the same time.

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Spalding%20La%20Vitesse/

coachrick
04-28-2010, 07:25 PM
Coach Rick-it's funny that you brought up the Spalding La Vitesse. I have one and really liked the feel of it, so I strung it with gut in the mains just last week. I have been playing with it. Very solid racquet. Strange how Spalding was making good stuff and really bad stuff at the same time.

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Spalding%20La%20Vitesse/

Yep, we had a few Spaldings that were decent sellers. The La Vitesse has the same slit in the shaft as a couple of early 1900s rackets I have. I guess it's true: 'Everything old is new again' !

Spalding put Pancho's name on every price point from my first racket($5.65 at Western Auto) to the excellent but clubby 'Austral' style model. I never understood the appeal of the 'World Open' but we sure had some good players using it. Then the specialty frames as mentioned: La Vitesse, Lotus, SpeedShaft,et al became their niche. Snauwaert was actually a bigger seller for us in the '70s. In a moment of weakness in '89 or so, I used the original Taxi for a couple of seasons. Strung it with red/blue hybrid stringing and used one of the Babolat crazy Gripsy grips to finish the 'look'. We called it the 'ugly stick' :) . Sorry, not a wood racket...my bad.

khw72004
04-28-2010, 11:16 PM
These are a few woods that I have

http://i44.tinypic.com/2eoya1v.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/znn9lz.jpg

Clintspin
04-29-2010, 03:32 AM
Those are three nice looking racquets. Shame you can't have the fun of hitting with them.

Clintspin
04-29-2010, 03:43 AM
I think the issue of some of you not being able to see certain pictures can be resolved by using another browser. Sometimes Foxfire, Goggle Crome, Safari and Microsoft Explorer will not show pictures from another format. I will switch and use different browsers when I need to. I am no computer expert.

schu47
04-29-2010, 08:08 AM
The only pic link working for me was the last one of the group:) .


The Garcia Graphite would be the forerunner to the C-12 since Rossignol bought out the Garcia/Cragin factory in Van Buren, Maine. The Strato was preceded by the Garcia 240, both direct competitors to the Kramer Autograph. Correct as mentioned, no graphite in the Strato or 240.

Honestly, I would be surprised if the Vilas came from the same factory as the Garcia/Rossi versions of the open throat wood+ frame. BUT, I've been wrong before...just not in the last minute or so :) .

I think you're right about the Vilas coming from a different factory, coach. I've looked them over more carefully since taking their pictures, and the Vilas is a slightly narrower frame through the throat than the other two. But I'd bet the Rossi and Graphite Garcia came out of the same place. They're spitting images.

Sorry my photos aren't working for some folks. I just don't get why some people can see some of them, I can see all of them, and some folks don't see any of them at all. I use Google Chrome -- perhaps I should try to go through Internet Explorer or Firefox and see if that makes any difference.

Clintspin
04-29-2010, 09:06 AM
I can see your pictures when I use Foxfire but not when I use Goggle Chrome.

Don T.
04-29-2010, 09:17 AM
I've pretty much resigned myself to never being able to hit with these NOS sticks. Chris signed directly on the leather grips then I shrink wrapped over for protection.

The $5 refund coupon expired on Sept. 30, 1983...dang!

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f325/tokaiboy/3signa.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f325/tokaiboy/3signb.jpg

Clintspin
04-29-2010, 10:41 AM
very nice.

Virginia
04-29-2010, 11:25 AM
Sorry my photos aren't working for some folks. I just don't get why some people can see some of them, I can see all of them, and some folks don't see any of them at all. I use Google Chrome -- perhaps I should try to go through Internet Explorer or Firefox and see if that makes any difference.
I can't see any of your ealier photos either, so clearly the image host you're currently using is now being blocked for some reason. I can't see them in Internet Explorer or Firefox. You can see them because they're on your computer anyway. If others see them, it's probably because they're seeing a cached version.

Seems to me this has only happened in the last week or so - are you using a Google host?

It looks like you're going to have to use another host like tinypic.com or photobucket.com.

jimbo333
04-29-2010, 04:21 PM
I can't see any of your ealier photos either, so clearly the image host you're currently using is now being blocked for some reason. I can't see them in Internet Explorer or Firefox. You can see them because they're on your computer anyway. If others see them, it's probably because they're seeing a cached version.

Seems to me this has only happened in the last week or so - are you using a Google host?

It looks like you're going to have to use another host like tinypic.com or photobucket.com.

Firefox, cached version, google host:shock:

What is this strange language you are speaking:-?

It really makes no sense to me at all, all I know is that I can't see Schu's great photos:(

Virginia
04-29-2010, 06:06 PM
I've just realised schu uses Picasa Web Albums and they have a storage limit there (1024 MB). Maybe he's exceeded that limit. The strange thing is NONE of his images show any longer, not just these most recent ones.

Virginia
04-29-2010, 06:18 PM
Firefox, cached version, google host:shock:

What is this strange language you are speaking:-?

It really makes no sense to me at all, all I know is that I can't see Schu's great photos:(
Firefox is the name of a (very good) browser.

A cached version of something is one held in your computer cache, for quick access (you don't need to download it afresh, so the page loads faster). If the cache hasn't been cleared recently, it can also display something that's no longer there - like schu's images for some people.

Google host - just one of several image hosting sites, like tinypic.com

MarrratSafin
04-29-2010, 06:41 PM
Firefox, cached version, google host:shock:

What is this strange language you are speaking:-?

It really makes no sense to me at all, all I know is that I can't see Schu's great photos:(

Great post, jimbo.:grin:

MarrratSafin
04-29-2010, 06:43 PM
I've just realised schu uses Picasa Web Albums and they have a storage limit there (1024 MB). Maybe he's exceeded that limit. The strange thing is NONE of his images show any longer, not just these most recent ones.

Right, they are all gone. Wonder why?:(

Virginia
04-29-2010, 06:43 PM
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_4gdlQm-LraY/SaTLBYJZycI/AAAAAAAAAhA/SPNGLLkFxcE/Lobster%20%282%29.JPG

Just messing about, trying things. ;)

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_4gdlQm-LraY/Sa88B5cgG5I/AAAAAAAAAkE/F-xC3L5tT_Y/s800/Gottfried%20and%20Kodes.JPG

Virginia
04-29-2010, 06:51 PM
Can you guys see the images above? I'm using Picasa Web.

Virginia
04-29-2010, 06:56 PM
How about this one?

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_4gdlQm-LraY/SaSwFaQKDgI/AAAAAAAAAgY/aQdVmp88zz8/s400/Snauwaert%20Brian%20Gottfried.JPG

If you can see mine and not schu's, then I think he's exceeded his allowance and they've cut him off completely. If that's the case, it's a pretty poor show. I hope I'm wrong about this.

coachrick
04-29-2010, 08:44 PM
How about this one?

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_4gdlQm-LraY/SaSwFaQKDgI/AAAAAAAAAgY/aQdVmp88zz8/s400/Snauwaert%20Brian%20Gottfried.JPG

If you can see mine and not schu's, then I think he's exceeded his allowance and they've cut him off completely. If that's the case, it's a pretty poor show. I hope I'm wrong about this.

Yours are coming in loud and clear(although that last one is tiny :) )

Virginia
04-29-2010, 09:01 PM
Now that I've discovered how easy it is to post photos, I thought I might as well show you my prized V-24's (two different versions) and Vilas Pro. :)

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_4gdlQm-LraY/S9pa0kZewdI/AAAAAAAAAqk/14glpV42FIM/s800/V-24%20x%202%20and%20Vilas%20Pro.JPG

schu47
04-30-2010, 12:08 PM
Virginia the computer/technology guru has tried to help me solve my non-appearing photos problem, so I'm trying again, to see if these stick. Seems I forgot to check an important box on the Picasa website.

More favorite woodies: the Maxply McEnroe, Slazenger Demon, three great PK wood composites (Graphite Ace, Blue Ace and Golden Ace) and Mary K. Browne Wilson Top Flite. Mary K. Browne was the first American woman professional tennis player.

Hope these show up. Are they there? If not, you'll just have to close your eyes and try to picture them for yourself.


[/IMG]http://lh3.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9h7sWdJ-nI/AAAAAAAAe4o/bBFoMQ_iGlY/s800/P1050671.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9h7tcwR5SI/AAAAAAAAe40/eC8_hwRWsjA/s800/P1050659.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9h7t2JbjiI/AAAAAAAAe44/mcdDerJTSHE/s800/P1050635.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S9h7s-q0TqI/AAAAAAAAe4s/VNfnHgLBeuo/s800/P1050679.JPG

Virginia
04-30-2010, 12:24 PM
Yes, I can see those photos just fine!

I think there's something wrong with mine though - I only see the code and not the photo, unless I click on it. I'll email you.

Virginia
04-30-2010, 12:47 PM
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_4gdlQm-LraY/SaSSyOMZjQI/AAAAAAAAAac/P2McllBdtTM/s800/Snauwaert%20Brian%20Gottfried.JPG

What an idiot I am - I've been clicking on the "link" graphic instead of the "image" graphic. Finally schu and I both seem to have it right.

It looks like the way schu used to post his photos is no longer supported by Google - though it did work once. They obviously "fixed" something.

Clintspin
04-30-2010, 03:26 PM
http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/California%20cover/Davis%20Coronet/

Virginia do you have the Davis Coronet?

tennis005
04-30-2010, 03:30 PM
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7619/yfg004.th.jpg (http://img338.imageshack.us/i/yfg004.jpg/) Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)


Here are my open throat woods.
http://img338.imageshack.us/g/yfg004.jpg/

Clintspin
04-30-2010, 06:04 PM
http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/National%20woods/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Fishers/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Fishers/Bobby%20Riggs/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Fishers/Bobby%20Riggs/Addias/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Fishers/Bobby%20Riggs/Addias/Evonne%20Goolagong/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Fishers/Bobby%20Riggs/Addias/Evonne%20Goolagong/Odd%20lot%20first/

Clintspin
04-30-2010, 06:29 PM
http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Spaldings/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Jimmy%20Connors/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Donnays/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Borg/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Penns/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Mary%20Hardwick/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Professional%20woods/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Tony%20Trabert/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Junior%20racquets/

Clintspin
04-30-2010, 06:45 PM
http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Stan%20Smith/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Billie%20Jean%20King/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Jack%20Kramer/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Bancroft/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Slazenger/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Laver%20Chemold/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Davis/

Clintspin
04-30-2010, 07:10 PM
http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Maxply/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Macgregor/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Chris%20Evert/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Misc%20Wilsons/

Clintspin
04-30-2010, 07:18 PM
There are more to come and more to be added to the listed ones. For now my battery is dead.

Clintspin
04-30-2010, 09:00 PM
http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Yamaha/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Ted%20Williams/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Head%20Vilas/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Maxply%20Mcenroe/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Sears%20%20Roebuck%20wood/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Head%20Edgewood/

khw72004
04-30-2010, 10:03 PM
Nice, The Head Edgewood has a hybrid set up, you don't see many wood rackets with a hybrid set up

Clintspin
05-01-2010, 09:34 AM
http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Don%20Budge/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Elsworth%20Vines%20%20Don%20Budge/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Rod%20Laver/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Regent/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Harry%20Lee/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Unknown%20Older%20Racquet/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Jollette%20wood/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Dunlops/

Clintspin
05-01-2010, 10:59 AM
http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Very%20old%20wood/

http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Kawasaki/

Clintspin
05-01-2010, 11:01 AM
http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/Davis/

Updated Davis Woods

Virginia
05-01-2010, 12:13 PM
http://s937.photobucket.com/albums/ad219/clintspin2/California%20cover/Davis%20Coronet/

Virginia do you have the Davis Coronet?
Yes, I do - it came (brand new and unstrung) with a 1960 Davis pricelist and a copy of the Rules of Tennis.

The catalogue lists the following, all of which I have:

Imperial - $19
TAD - $19
Black Streak - $17.50
Silver Streak -$17
Professional - $15.50
Jet - $12.75
Hi-Pooint - $12.75
Coronet - $8.50

A very nice piece of memorabilia, especially for someone like me, who specialises in Davis racquets.

It looks like you have a great collection too - later today, I'll check out all your photo albums.

I'd love to exchange Davis facts and figures with you at some point too and find out which ones you have that I don't have (and possibly vice-versa). :)

Clintspin
05-01-2010, 01:59 PM
I have two Coronets and the one definitely looks as if it pre-dates 1960. I would have to look to see what years they were sold. What you see in the Davis & Coronet picture files is all the Davis I have except a couple of High Points that I play with.

TMR
05-03-2010, 06:19 AM
Good stuff all. Snauwaert in Belgium was the "shadow" OEM for a few other brands: Spalding in the wood era; Fila and Lacoste, it seems (for some limited production stuff) in the graphite composite era.

I seem to recall the Rossignol Strato and C-12 were twins to a corresponding pair of Garcia woods (all USA-made). Schu', you wouldn't happen to have specimens of this quartet stashed away in your arsenal to compare and show, would ya?

(The C-12 was also the twin to the Head Vilas, so it would seem.)

Here is my Rossignol Strato:
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8826/rossignolstratotourname.jpg
I was trying to get twelve (12) Rossignol C-12, but stopped at 3. I think I'll sell 2 and just keep one.

coachrick
05-03-2010, 07:14 AM
Here is my Rossignol Strato:
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8826/rossignolstratotourname.jpg
I was trying to get twelve (12) Rossignol C-12, but stopped at 3. I think I'll sell 2 and just keep one.

Interesting color on the Strato. I repped them for '79-'80 and only saw the white(Strato on the shaft) during my tenure.

TMR
05-03-2010, 07:28 AM
Interesting color on the Strato. I repped them for '79-'80 and only saw the white(Strato on the shaft) during my tenure.

Do you, or does someone else have a picture of the White Strato you are talking about? I have never seen one.

coachrick
05-03-2010, 08:51 AM
Do you, or does someone else have a picture of the White Strato you are talking about? I have never seen one.
Oops..."Rossignol" on the shaft, "Strato" on the hoop:

http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=5296430

Not my item...Mods, hope the link is OK for reference :) .

vsbabolat
05-03-2010, 08:58 AM
Interesting color on the Strato. I repped them for '79-'80 and only saw the white(Strato on the shaft) during my tenure.

There was also a black one. But back at that time I had only seen the white ones like Clerc used.

coachrick
05-03-2010, 09:07 AM
There was also a black one. But back at that time I had only seen the white ones like Clerc used.

vsb, hope the weather wasn't too bad. Looks like you'll have a chance to dry out later today :) .

schu47
05-03-2010, 02:46 PM
Since my photos seem to be sticking now, I thought I'd re-post a few photos of these "racquets that seem to be from the same mold but made by different manufacturers"

The Rossignol C-12, Head Vilas and Graphite Garcia. All are made in the USA -- the Head Vilas has a slightly narrower frame, but the Rossignol and Garcia appear to be identical, with the same composition.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S99PoSj9hqI/AAAAAAAAfb8/JyQAXger_ZU/s800/P1050711.JPG


The Snauwaert La Grande and Spalding Big Bow. The Big Bow has a slightly larger head, otherwise are spitting images.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S99Potz81ZI/AAAAAAAAfcA/wj-lGpmQtmA/s800/P1050708.JPG


Triplets -- Snauwaert Fiber Composite Two, Spalding Lotus One and Spalding Speedshaft. Most likely all made by Snauwaert in Belgium. The Fiber Composite and Speedshaft appear to be the same racquet with different paint -- both are ashwood and fiberglass. The Lotus is ashwood and boron. Martina Navratilova used a Spalding Speedshaft early in her career.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S99Po28C95I/AAAAAAAAfcE/ocLjk-gkbJY/s800/P1050693.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S99PpcVXEkI/AAAAAAAAfcI/-68GePTdAkk/s800/P1050696.JPG

Virginia
05-03-2010, 03:52 PM
Oops..."Rossignol" on the shaft, "Strato" on the hoop:

http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=5296430

Not my item...Mods, hope the link is OK for reference :) .
Mine's like that one - white shaft - beautiful!

vsbabolat
05-03-2010, 05:49 PM
Since my photos seem to be sticking now, I thought I'd re-post a few photos of these "racquets that seem to be from the same mold but made by different manufacturers"

The Rossignol C-12, Head Vilas and Graphite Garcia. All are made in the USA -- the Head Vilas has a slightly narrower frame, but the Rossignol and Garcia appear to be identical, with the same composition.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S99PoSj9hqI/AAAAAAAAfb8/JyQAXger_ZU/s800/P1050711.JPG


The Snauwaert La Grande and Spalding Big Bow. The Big Bow has a slightly larger head, otherwise are spitting images.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S99Potz81ZI/AAAAAAAAfcA/wj-lGpmQtmA/s800/P1050708.JPG


Triplets -- Snauwaert Fiber Composite Two, Spalding Lotus One and Spalding Speedshaft. Most likely all made by Snauwaert in Belgium. The Fiber Composite and Speedshaft appear to be the same racquet with different paint -- both are ashwood and fiberglass. The Lotus is ashwood and boron. Martina Navratilova used a Spalding Speedshaft early in her career.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S99Po28C95I/AAAAAAAAfcE/ocLjk-gkbJY/s800/P1050693.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/S99PpcVXEkI/AAAAAAAAfcI/-68GePTdAkk/s800/P1050696.JPG

Yes, Snauwaert did manfucature a lot of racquets for Spalding.

tennis005
05-03-2010, 09:21 PM
Nothing............

coachrick
05-04-2010, 06:31 AM
Uhhh I hate to sell it but need the money. Anyone want to buy the Slazenger Omega I had a picture of?

Careful, 005...mods don't take kindly to 'for sale' discussions in this forum. Just sayin'.

streamwalker
05-05-2010, 05:35 AM
Hi guys ! I have 2 Factory demo C-12's and these have the DEMO in red on the upper part of the handle just below the throat, same red as the Rossignol name and is under the varnish, so very obviously original factory samples. Many " Demo's " simply have stick-on labels and can be demos from a store or pro-shop, but are actually regular stock...My ? is....have any of you ever seen one of these DEMO C-12's before, or do you have any ? I have owned about a dozen of the c-12's and looked at many more but these are the only 2 DEMO frames I have ever seen....? been out of touch for awhile with heart condition, Angio Gram...Atrial Fib, etc...just out of Sleep clinic with bad Appnia....WHEW ! Tired of Hospitals and the nurses are all old, fat and cranky now, what a drag ...What ever happened to those cute " Candy Stripers ? "..........Hi SCHU ! Hi VIRGINIA !.......Thanks....Randy

coachrick
05-05-2010, 05:50 AM
Hi guys ! I have 2 Factory demo C-12's and these have the DEMO in red on the upper part of the handle just below the throat, same red as the Rossignol name and is under the varnish, so very obviously original factory samples. Many " Demo's " simply have stick-on labels and can be demos from a store or pro-shop, but are actually regular stock...My ? is....have any of you ever seen one of these DEMO C-12's before, or do you have any ? I have owned about a dozen of the c-12's and looked at many more but these are the only 2 DEMO frames I have ever seen....? been out of touch for awhile with heart condition, Angio Gram...Atrial Fib, etc...just out of Sleep clinic with bad Appnia....WHEW ! Tired of Hospitals and the nurses are all old, fat and cranky now, what a drag ...What ever happened to those cute " Candy Stripers ? "..........Hi SCHU ! Hi VIRGINIA !.......Thanks....Randy

stream, I don't recall that any of my sales samples or demos had 'demo' stamped on them. That WAS thirty years ago and I might be a little fuzzy on details. I wonder if that was some sort of one-off production lot for a special event or sales package. Hmmm.

Best of luck with the ticker! :)

streamwalker
05-05-2010, 06:24 AM
Thanks Coach for the reply...I believe these might be early production protypes ? By the way, Snauweart was purchased by Spalding I believe late 1960's...the Speed Shaft was originally made in Japan ( as were most Pancho rackets ) and is seen mostly with multiple blue stripes, some were Maroon and a few were black, all multi-striped....when Spalding bought Snauweart / Depla , they moved production to Snauweart and produced the speed shaft there. these have a very thick paint that melts and runs and wrinkles very easily, so never get one to hot or leave in car...The Big Bow also started in Japan and was moved....the Fiber 2 Snauwearts are the same frame as the Speed shaft, but have a much better soft beige/olive Paint that does not run or wrinkle.....The Japanese version has hard Beechwood in the laminations and does not warp as often or as bad as the French Ash Belgium models, I personally would put a higher value on the Japanese frames. The name Speed Shaft also appeared earlier on a similar open throat racket by Andreef and it may be the " Original " Speed shaft...it is slightly longer in the bow, ( 1/2" )having a deeper elongated hoop shape, I am steam straightening and restoring one right now for collector Doc David Lai of Washinton....Streamwalker

vsbabolat
05-05-2010, 07:15 AM
Thanks Coach for the reply...I believe these might be early production protypes ? By the way, Snauweart was purchased by Spalding I believe late 1960's...the Speed Shaft was originally made in Japan ( as were most Pancho rackets ) and is seen mostly with multiple blue stripes, some were Maroon and a few were black, all multi-striped....when Spalding bought Snauweart / Depla , they moved production to Snauweart and produced the speed shaft there. these have a very thick paint that melts and runs and wrinkles very easily, so never get one to hot or leave in car...The Big Bow also started in Japan and was moved....the Fiber 2 Snauwearts are the same frame as the Speed shaft, but have a much better soft beige/olive Paint that does not run or wrinkle.....The Japanese version has hard Beechwood in the laminations and does not warp as often or as bad as the French Ash Belgium models, I personally would put a higher value on the Japanese frames. The name Speed Shaft also appeared earlier on a similar open throat racket by Andreef and it may be the " Original " Speed shaft...it is slightly longer in the bow, ( 1/2" )having a deeper elongated hoop shape, I am steam straightening and restoring one right now for collector Doc David Lai of Washinton....Streamwalker

I never had heard that Spalding owned Snauwaert. Did Spalding still own Snauwaert in the 80's? Because the two racquet lines varied greatly. You only had the wood racquet still made be Snauwaert and Depla while Spalding seemed to have taken care of racquets like the GC-20. My information always had been that Snauwaert was a privately Family owned company and that Snauwaert was not sold until the patriarch Karl Snauwaert passed away in the mid to late 80's. In 1990's Snauwaert was owned by Rucanor.

Vaughn Baker former National Sales maneger for Snauwaert:
September 1977 – June 1979: National Sales Manager – Snauwaert (Division of Spalding Worldwide) Westfield, Mass. Hired to introduce a high-end tennis product line as the nucleus of an enhanced Spalding tennis program, and we shared administration, operations, and some salespeople with the Spalding Ski division, a bunch of fun loving people. Snauwaert was very successful and the political pressure from the operations of Spalding was quite severe. I opted to begin consulting to Snauwaert and others.
http://baker.canavancentral.com/vb2.htm

I definitely believe that by the early 80's Spalding no longer owned Snauwaert. Because U.S. administration and operations were now located in Medley, Florida for Snauwaert.

schu47
05-05-2010, 07:36 AM
Hey Randy (my streamwalking friend)

Great to see you on this thread, and to have the honor of your vast knowledge. I'll be sure to keep the Speedshaft in a cool place so the paint doesn't melt.

Sorry to hear about the heart problems. You'll have to take better care of yourself. And you shouldn't complain about old and cranky nurses, since you're getting kind of old and cranky yourself. :)

You still have the best and most interesting racquets up on the bay, IMO.

Virginia
05-05-2010, 12:37 PM
Good to see you Randy - take care of that ticker now. :)

My Speedshaft is the Snauwaert version - I'm somewhat disappointed in the fact that I paid a great deal of money for this frame (believing it was ultra rare) and subsequently discovered that it's the same as the Spalding model, which is obtainable at a much lower price and comes up relatively frequently on the bay.

streamwalker
05-05-2010, 03:34 PM
Virginia, don't feel too bad, the Snauweart is much harder to find...I have seen 3 or 4 on **** in the last 6 months but, very few in the last 4 years...the La Grande and the Fiber 2 are both highly collectible and about as scarce as the Spalding Lotus...the Lotus being the most desirable and valuable of all due to it's unusual but pretty paint job, not because it is any rarer. If your snauweart has no head wear and is minty, it's value will certainly rise. The economy has values so low right now, I know you are buying rackets at 1/2 or less than what many of us consider their real value....consider the Head Vilas prices lately...bringing $15 to $20 when just last fall they were $50 to $75....this is one of the reasons I have not been more active lately....I hate seeing my collection go for pennies on the dollar.....I wish I had more financing, I'd be buying like mad right now ! Seven years ago when values dropped like this I was able to put away about 2000 wood rackets a year. It's a buyers market right now so take advantage of it ! As a seller, I am " holding on to my woody " for now.......heh heh !......a note to vasbabolot...you may be right, but I swear I read about Spalding buying Snauweart...my books are packed from a recent move, but check your Siggy Kuebler book, mine is original 1 rst edition in German, I think that's where I saw that info...regards

dak95_00
07-30-2010, 10:06 AM
I'm not collecting but I figured I'd run my new thrills past you (the experts).

I'm actually trying to organize a wooden tennis event and I needed a wooden racquet to play so I bought these two. The one on the left is a Dunlop Court Star and I played w/ it this week and had the most fun I've had playing in years. I'd never played w/ an old school wooden racquet before (I've played the Prince Woodie = didn't care for it). So I went shopping around again and picked up this TAD Coronet. It has a broken string. I am planning on stringing it w/ some cheap syn gut I've got around and wondered at what tension I should string it. Any help would be appreciated. I have an Ektelon Model D. It looks old enough to have strung a few like this in its days.

Thanks for the help. I'm really curious to what this one will feel like with strings in it. I think I'm going to make playing w/ wooden racquets a weekly warm-up. They're better than mini tennis for feel and touch (IMO).

Pics:
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af226/dak95_00/Woods001.jpg

http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af226/dak95_00/Woods003.jpg

coachrick
07-30-2010, 10:31 AM
I'm not collecting but I figured I'd run my new thrills past you (the experts).

I'm actually trying to organize a wooden tennis event and I needed a wooden racquet to play so I bought these two. The one on the left is a Dunlop Court Star and I played w/ it this week and had the most fun I've had playing in years. I'd never played w/ an old school wooden racquet before (I've played the Prince Woodie = didn't care for it). So I went shopping around again and picked up this TAD Coronet. It has a broken string. I am planning on stringing it w/ some cheap syn gut I've got around and wondered at what tension I should string it. Any help would be appreciated. I have an Ektelon Model D. It looks old enough to have strung a few like this in its days.

Thanks for the help. I'm really curious to what this one will feel like with strings in it. I think I'm going to make playing w/ wooden racquets a weekly warm-up. They're better than mini tennis for feel and touch (IMO).

Pics:
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af226/dak95_00/Woods001.jpg

http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af226/dak95_00/Woods003.jpg

Well, the Ektelon D will be right at home stringing those woodies :) . Honestly, you don't have high-end sticks there; but, they should be good for a match or two. I wouldn't string them over 55#(thin and lower would be better). The Coronet will have a tremendous amount of flex in the throat(the weakest part, should you catch an overhead too high in the face). Not familiar with the Dunlop except to note that it and the Coronet are strung with low-end, very soft string. Careful of the grips crumbling or bleeding onto your hand...might want to install an overgrip straightaway. Have fun!!!

dak95_00
07-30-2010, 12:00 PM
Perfect! Thanks CoachRick! I'm going to string it at 40-45lbs w/ some equally soft, cheap Klip Rainbow because that is what I have laying around (I have a reel). Maybe that'll get my kids interested in using these to play.

How much string (total length) do these racquets require?

What makes a wood racquet better than another? (Besides the fact that a pro used it at one time.)

I can tell that the Coronet will be more flexible because it has a very thin shaft where the Dunlop is thicker. I'm not worried about the grips. Like I said, I played with the one already. These grips are old, sticky, and they grip you back. I wish I had grips like that on my regular racquets.

Virginia
07-30-2010, 12:24 PM
The Coronet's thin shaft is a feature of all the Davis racquets. I have a copy of the patent, which makes interesting reading. The Davis racquets were uniquely constructed, which was why the higher end models were so expensive.

coachrick
07-30-2010, 01:21 PM
Perfect! Thanks CoachRick!

How much string (total length) do these racquets require?

What makes a wood racquet better than another? (Besides the fact that a pro used it at one time.)


I had a long-winded response typed in and lost it...please excuse me if it shows up somewhere odd!

Most 'conventional' wood rackets took 33 feet of string. Much of the string of the day(especially natural gut) came in sets of 22 feet in order to string a method called 'twentytwoeleven'. Many natural gut sets were packaged 22' X 11'(easier/cheaper to make a 22 foot length of gut compared to maintaining quality over a 33 foot length). Mains take 17 1/2 feet of string, crosses 15 1/2 feet, for most(including yours). The 'twentytwoeleven' method of stringing takes a bit of trickery to maintain proper tension. A 'proper' 33 foot set of string allowed for one-piece, standard mains and crosses OR 22/11 styles of stringing.

Thirty-six foot sets of string became more popular and in the early '80s, 40 foot sets became the norm.

The better wood rackets had tighter specs on the wood quality and species(although I recall one wood model we had at Rossignol that looked like a million bucks but was cheaper to produce...we sold it at a premium position in the line...a slight 'eye-opener' for a kid just out of college with his marketing degree :) . )

The grip quality was also better on the better frames. Those really wide, unburnished slabs of leather or vinyl! were a dead giveaway on a cheap racket.

Virginia
07-30-2010, 02:21 PM
Especially the vinyl I would imagine!

coachrick
07-30-2010, 03:17 PM
Especially the vinyl I would imagine!

It's been said that many 'naugas' gave their lives for those naugahyde grips, couches, and purses :) .

Gen-u-ine, imitation, artificial, synthetic Naugahyde! Yessir! The best money can buy! ;)

dak95_00
07-30-2010, 03:51 PM
I started stringing before I read your post. I took notes on the mains and crosses and then looked online and found on the Silent Partner site that Spalding 18x20 standard wood racquets required 31' of string. Being the ever so conservative person I am, I cut off 32.5' (I have a table that is 30" long near my stringer = 13 lengths) to use. It was JUST enough!

I've learned a few things today:
1) Shared holes! I'd never really payed attention.
2) I will never string w/ natural gut. I don't have the patience.
3) I will never use poly in one of these.

Here is a picture:
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af226/dak95_00/rainbow002.jpg

The next time I do this, I am going to strip down the frame and paint it in some funky fashion. Why not? I'd probably give it to some of the art students at my school to give it their best. That would be cool!

Virginia
07-30-2010, 05:49 PM
That rainbow string is rather fun! :)

coachrick
07-30-2010, 08:29 PM
That rainbow string is rather fun! :)

Shades of the mid-'80s! I was selling Gosen Rainbow against the Prince Prism back then. We sold a BUNCH of that string! Pretty basic stuff, unfortunately--but fun!

coachrick
07-30-2010, 08:37 PM
I started stringing before I read your post. I took notes on the mains and crosses and then looked online and found on the Silent Partner site that Spalding 18x20 standard wood racquets required 31' of string. Being the ever so conservative person I am, I cut off 32.5' (I have a table that is 30" long near my stringer = 13 lengths) to use. It was JUST enough!

I've learned a few things today:
1) Shared holes! I'd never really payed attention.
2) I will never string w/ natural gut. I don't have the patience.
3) I will never use poly in one of these.
!

That reminds me that there were a few 28' sets of string back then(usually natural gut). The Wilson T-series rackets could be strung with 28', as could a few others. Glad you had enough to finish!

1) Yep, the whippersnappers don't know how much fun it is to string a wood or foam core racket with multiple shared holes!
2)See #1, add natural gut.
3)Just say 'NO' to poly in a wood frame...yuck!

joe sch
07-31-2010, 06:36 AM
That reminds me that there were a few 28' sets of string back then(usually natural gut). The Wilson T-series rackets could be strung with 28', as could a few others. Glad you had enough to finish!

1) Yep, the whippersnappers don't know how much fun it is to string a wood or foam core racket with multiple shared holes!
2)See #1, add natural gut.
3)Just say 'NO' to poly in a wood frame...yuck!

Agree ... tight 18x20's, shared holes and nat gut takes some patience, especially if you like the thicker guages like me. Done well and it will payoff for a long time with much pleasure :) poly is sacreligious for woodys and really not kosher for old school graphite as well ;)