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aldeayeah
05-18-2010, 01:32 AM
Source (http://www.as.com/tenis/articulo/federer-rafael-lleva-iniciativa-tactica/dasten/20100518dasdaiten_2/Tes)

Q: Can Federer be the best player in the world if there is another one who beats him two of every three times they play?

A: He can, just like somebody like Messi can be tactically suppressed by another player of a lesser level. Although that's not the case with my nephew Rafael, who does have a quite high level and can carry the tactical initiative.

Q: Explain us, mister coach: Is it because he hits to Federer's backhand?

A: Rafa focuses his game on Federer's backhand, indeed, but one can't just hit the same shot everytime. But he does throw him off his rhythm and timing, and sometimes he forces him to make rushed choices.

Q: But if Federer is the GOAT...

A: I don't know if Roger is the GOAT, it's impossible to compare. Although I would narrow it down to Federer and Rod Laver. Roger is indeed the best player of our time. And Rafael suffers against players below his own ranking too: Davydenko, for example.

Q: Brad Gilbert said your nephew Rafael could win 30 Masters...

A: Ha, ha... let's take it easy. It's taken us a lot to go this far; it will take a lot more to go that far.

namelessone
05-18-2010, 01:36 AM
How arrogant of Tony to compliment Fed. This interview reminds me of something Nadal said about Fed,that he rarely loses to people outside of the top 5 and that's why he is a such a great champion, If you are mostly beating the top guys,you are probably winning the titles there.

mandy01
05-18-2010, 01:43 AM
The funny part is I remember BOTH Nadal and Toni stating clearly that they thought Fed was the greatest.
Since last year the tune has shifted to Fed-Laver.LOL
I also remember Sampras fanatics getting furious because Toni put they darling boy in the second tier of all -time greats.

namelessone
05-18-2010, 01:47 AM
The funny part is I remember BOTH Nadal and Toni stating clearly that they thought Fed was the greatest.
Since last year the tune has shifted to Fed-Laver.LOL
I remember Sampras fanatics getting furious because Toni put they darling boy in the second tier of all -time greats.

Anyway,what's the bet that this thread is going to turn into yet another my guy vs your guy row?

I have heard Tony mention Laver before,quite often actually,with Federer in the second breath. Both he and Rafa said that Fed has been the best player that Rafa has been up against. Last year in Shaghai,Rafa was asked if he thought Fed was the greatest. He said that he can't compare with other guys from the past cause he did not play them but Federer is by far the most complete player he has ever played against. As Rafa said once,Federer can do everything on court.

Dilettante
05-18-2010, 01:50 AM
The funny part is I remember BOTH Nadal and Toni stating clearly that they thought Fed was the greatest.

It's not that I care but you're wrong, only Rafa talks about Federer being the GOAT.

Uncle Toni always had a word for Rod Laver.

mandy01
05-18-2010, 01:52 AM
I have heard Tony mention Laver before,quite often actually,with Federer in the second breath. Both he and Rafa said that Fed has been the best player that Rafa has been up against. Last year in Shaghai,Rafa was asked if he thought Fed was the greatest. He said that he can't compare with other guys from the past cause he did not play them but Federer is by far the most complete player he has ever played against. As Rafa said once,Federer can do everything on court.I already said they changed their tune since last year and I clearly remember Toni calling Fed the greatest.I personally don't care at all.I just find the change of tune amusing ,that's all.

Augustus
05-18-2010, 02:00 AM
It's not that I care but you're wrong, only Rafa talks about Federer being the GOAT.

Uncle Toni always had a word for Rod Laver.

Thatīs no surprise in my opinion, Toni is old enough to have watched Laver play. Itīs pretty difficult to say something that makes sense about someone that played 20 years before your birth.

Thatīs why all this talk about Laverīs game on this forum never ceases to surprise me; I assume all posters that pretend to know everything about Laver and other greats like Gonzales, Hoad and Roswewall are approaching 60 at least. :lol:

Seriously, I know Laverīs achievements and Iībe watched some clips on YouTube, but Iīve never seen even one full match played by him. Therefore Iīm not going to compare him to players I actually have watched a lot, like Federer, Nadal, Agassi, Sampras, and Borg/McEnroe to a lesser extent.

mandy01
05-18-2010, 02:11 AM
It's not that I care but you're wrong, only Rafa talks about Federer being the GOAT.

Uncle Toni always had a word for Rod Laver.I don't know about that.You could of course be right-It's anyway hard to pull out all of his interviews at this point( and majority of them are in Spanish).
Anyway,I won't be surprised if he has mentioned Laver .What I said was based off what I could remember .And like I said it's amusing..not wrong at all.

I must say the Federer-Nadal dynamic is pretty interesting.

jamesblakefan#1
05-18-2010, 02:31 AM
For what it's worth...

"The greatest of all is Rod Laver, after that the best is Federer," Toni Nadal told French reporters. "Federer is better than Rafa, better than any player. Rafa is a good player, winning this trophy and five other [Slams]. But there is still a big gap." - Feb 2009

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/aus09/columns/story?columnist=tandon_kamakshi&id=3876885

aldeayeah
05-18-2010, 02:32 AM
It's certainly not the first time he brings up Laver. IIRC Uncle Toni never said Federer was the unqualified GOAT, but I could be wrong.

mandy01
05-18-2010, 02:33 AM
For what it's worth...



http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/aus09/columns/story?columnist=tandon_kamakshi&id=3876885
Thanks for one interview.Interestingly it was after AO 09 :wink:
Anyway-RELAX folks.The guy must've given several interviews by now.I wrote what I could remember-and it wasn't mean't to be taken too seriously anyway.I never denied the possibility that I could well be wrong.

bizarre_opinion
05-18-2010, 03:44 AM
another gay thread.

rafan
05-18-2010, 04:46 AM
I already said they changed their tune since last year and I clearly remember Toni calling Fed the greatest.I personally don't care at all.I just find the change of tune amusing ,that's all.

If Nadal has done one thing for Federer it is the fact that he has distanced Federer from the same image of boring predictability that Sampras had. When Nadal is around there is far more excitement regarding Federer. Federer was winning so often that it was not fun to watch a final anymore. We all knew the outcome. Now even thinking about these two playing a big slam is so exciting. For that Uncle Toni should be darn grateful to his nephew

Cesc Fabregas
05-18-2010, 05:09 AM
I already said they changed their tune since last year and I clearly remember Toni calling Fed the greatest.I personally don't care at all.I just find the change of tune amusing ,that's all.

Toni has always said Laver is the greatest, he put Federer in the top tier with him thats all. Toni put Sampras in the second tier because he'll have an understandable bias towards clay court tennis and Pete struggled on that surface.

egn
05-18-2010, 05:25 AM
Toni has always said Laver is the greatest, he put Federer in the top tier with him thats all. Toni put Sampras in the second tier because he'll have an understandable bias towards clay court tennis and Pete struggled on that surface.

Agreed. Toni Nadal also seems to have this void in his memory of from the year 69-03 as he never seems to credit any of the players from the 70s and 80 and 90s.

drakulie
05-18-2010, 05:32 AM
Complete arrogance. Shameful. Really shameful stuff.

illuminati
05-18-2010, 07:22 AM
toni has ALWAYS said laver is the greatest he has ever seen.
even rafa said that toni always says to him that laver was the greatest ever.
for toni, laver is the greatest then followed by federer.
and i agree, those 2 calender year slams and not playing for like 6 years between the 2 calender slams is something incredible.
laver could have won 25 slams and he has like 22 slams if u count the PRO slam tournaments he played during his absent years and won.

i dont think sampras can be with federer since he didnt win the french, and borg didnt win a hardcourt slam.

so for me laver and federer are the 2 greatest players ever since they have won all 4 slams in their career.

just like the CLAY court GOAT discussion is between nadal and borg.
the overall GOAT discussion is between laver and federer.

dropshot winner
05-18-2010, 07:48 AM
toni has ALWAYS said laver is the greatest he has ever seen.
In all the interviews I watched and read Toni never took Laver over Federer, he regarded them as equal, and since then Federer has won 3 slams.

Agreed. Toni Nadal also seems to have this void in his memory of from the year 69-03 as he never seems to credit any of the players from the 70s and 80 and 90s.

Didn't he once say that Borg was underrated and at least top5 of all time?

bolo
05-18-2010, 07:54 AM
Source (http://www.as.com/tenis/articulo/federer-rafael-lleva-iniciativa-tactica/dasten/20100518dasdaiten_2/Tes)

Q: Can Federer be the best player in the world if there is another one who beats him two of every three times they play?

A: He can, just like somebody like Messi can be tactically suppressed by another player of a lesser level. Although that's not the case with my nephew Rafael, who does have a quite high level and can carry the tactical initiative.

Q: Explain us, mister coach: Is it because he hits to Federer's backhand?

A: Rafa focuses his game on Federer's backhand, indeed, but one can't just hit the same shot everytime. But he does throw him off his rhythm and timing, and sometimes he forces him to make rushed choices.

Q: But if Federer is the GOAT...

A: I don't know if Roger is the GOAT, it's impossible to compare. Although I would narrow it down to Federer and Rod Laver. Roger is indeed the best player of our time. And Rafael suffers against players below his own ranking too: Davydenko, for example.

Q: Brad Gilbert said your nephew Rafael could win 30 Masters...

A: Ha, ha... let's take it easy. It's taken us a lot to go this far; it will take a lot more to go that far.

Nice, thanks for the translation. :)

ksbh
05-18-2010, 08:09 AM
Uncle Toni is a very intelligent man. He'd look pretty stupid if he said Federer was GOAT considering that he is dominated by his own nephew!

I agree with Toni in any case. I don't see how Federer could be higher on the GOAT list than Rod Laver. It's a Federer lover fantasy, at best.

bolo
05-18-2010, 09:02 AM
Can you believe that gilbert has nadal's 2008 wimbledon final racquet?! That guy is unbelievable. :)

nikdom
05-18-2010, 10:20 AM
Uncle Toni is a very intelligent man. He'd look pretty stupid if he said Federer was GOAT considering that he is dominated by his own nephew!

I agree with Toni in any case. I don't see how Federer could be higher on the GOAT list than Rod Laver. It's a Federer lover fantasy, at best.

On the other hand, he'd look pretty stupid if he denies Roger's GOAT credentials. I think he says pretty clearly that having a losing record against his nephew does not diminish Roger's "best player" status. (Unless you want to read stuff selectively)

Folks much more qualified to make an assessment about Fed's place in history, such as a plethora of GS champions, think otherwise - that Roger is indeed higher on the list than Laver.

Enjoy your opinion!

mandy01
05-18-2010, 10:39 AM
Can you believe that gilbert has nadal's 2008 wimbledon final racquet?! That guy is unbelievable. :)
If I'm not mistaken Gilbert is a self-confessed Nadal fan .

drakulie
05-18-2010, 10:47 AM
Uncle Toni is a very intelligent man. He'd look pretty stupid if he said Federer was GOAT considering that he is dominated by his own nephew!


he must not think too highly of his nephew.

bolo
05-18-2010, 10:49 AM
If I'm not mistaken Gilbert is a self-confessed Nadal fan .

yeah, no doubt. But that he managed to pull off that piece of history is pretty nice! That guy is doing something right. :)

GasquetGOAT
05-18-2010, 11:11 AM
he must not think too highly of his nephew.

:lol: ksbh must not think too highly of toni's nephew.

********s always in a state of confusion.

ksbh
05-18-2010, 11:27 AM
You need a reality check. Outside of clay, Rafa's achievements are mediocre at best. You folks like to elevate Rafa to levels he doesn't belong at just so Federer can appear to look great.

I won't be surprised if you Federer lovers start saying that Rafa was the greatest thing in tennis after Federer! Well actually, you guys did do that when someone claimed that the previous generation was stronger! LOL!

:lol: ksbh must not think too highly of toni's nephew.

********s always in a state of confusion.

ksbh
05-18-2010, 11:29 AM
Yes, I already said he's an intelligent man! His nephew has got much work to do outside of clay to be counted among the greats of the game.

he must not think too highly of his nephew.

ksbh
05-18-2010, 11:30 AM
When Rafa won his first French Open title, Brad Gilbert predicted that Rafa would win Wimbledon one day. I thought the man was crazy but just 3 years later, we found that he was right on target!

yeah, no doubt. But that he managed to pull off that piece of history is pretty nice! That guy is doing something right. :)

hoodjem
05-18-2010, 11:32 AM
A: I don't know if Roger is the GOAT, . . . Sacrilege! How dare he?!

No is allowed to doubt the supreme GOATness of our God.

Such impertinence. He should be drawn and quartered, then burned at the stake.

ksbh
05-18-2010, 11:34 AM
You need to give up this notion that one man or groups opinion is any more valid than another's. A sign of low self-esteem perhaps.

On the other hand, he'd look pretty stupid if he denies Roger's GOAT credentials. I think he says pretty clearly that having a losing record against his nephew does not diminish Roger's "best player" status. (Unless you want to read stuff selectively)

Folks much more qualified to make an assessment about Fed's place in history, such as a plethora of GS champions, think otherwise - that Roger is indeed higher on the list than Laver.

Enjoy your opinion!

nikdom
05-18-2010, 11:39 AM
You need to give up this notion that one man or groups opinion is any more valid than another's. A sign of low self-esteem perhaps.

LOL. Low self-esteem? Speak for yourself man!

As far as the opinion of GS champions being more valid than yours > oh yeah. Looks like you're the one deluding yourself. Delusions of grandeur perhaps??

:)

Mustard
05-18-2010, 11:41 AM
You need a reality check. Outside of clay, Rafa's achievements are mediocre at best.

11 titles, which includes 2 slams and 5 masters titles. Yeah, very mediocre :roll:

ksbh
05-18-2010, 11:43 AM
Mustard ... I exaggerated of course! All said & done, I fully expect Rafa to be in the pantheon of all time greats when he decides to hang up his boots. Note that he's already made a great big dent in the resume of another great of his era! ;)

11 titles, which includes 2 slams and 5 masters titles. Yeah, very mediocre :roll:

Mustard
05-18-2010, 11:45 AM
Mustard ... I exaggerated of course! All said & done, I fully expect Rafa to be in the pantheon of all time greats when he decides to hang up his boots. Note that he's already made a great big dent in the resume of another great of his era! ;)

Oh, I see :oops:

It's just that I've heard similar accusations from anti-Nadal people about him supposedly being mediocre away from clay.

Semi-Pro
05-18-2010, 12:07 PM
delete post.

bolo
05-18-2010, 12:11 PM
When Rafa won his first French Open title, Brad Gilbert predicted that Rafa would win Wimbledon one day. I thought the man was crazy but just 3 years later, we found that he was right on target!

Lol, gilbert is crazy. :)

He had a story behind how he got the racquet but I can't remember it. :( It was something like he kept badgering nadal for a match racquet for years and maybe nadal told him that he would give him one if he ever won wimbledon or something. Damn you memory!

ksbh
05-18-2010, 12:32 PM
OK, got your logic ... Federer must be the GOAT because so many past greats think so! LOL!

Sorry, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

LOL. Low self-esteem? Speak for yourself man!

As far as the opinion of GS champions being more valid than yours > oh yeah. Looks like you're the one deluding yourself. Delusions of grandeur perhaps??

:)

ksbh
05-18-2010, 12:36 PM
Ha ha, I was takin' a dig at some of the Federer lovers on this forum, Mustard! You know the deluded ones that still think Rafa can't do a thing outside of clay! LOL!

Oh, I see :oops:

It's just that I've heard similar accusations from anti-Nadal people about him supposedly being mediocre away from clay.

ksbh
05-18-2010, 12:37 PM
Don't let Babette know. She's already quite ****ed that Rafa brushed against that ball girl! LOL!

Lol, gilbert is crazy. :)

He had a story behind how he got the racquet but I can't remember it. :( It was something like he kept badgering nadal for a match racquet for years and maybe nadal told him that he would give him one if he ever won wimbledon or something. Damn you memory!

Totai
05-18-2010, 12:38 PM
Laver should be thanking the heavens that Federer is such a great player. If Federer did not acheieve what he has so far, I can guarantee that 90% of this forum would have never even heard of Laver.

bolo
05-18-2010, 12:39 PM
Laver should be thanking the heavens that Federer is such a great player. If Federer did not acheieve what he has so far, I can guarantee that 90% of this forum would have never even heard of Laver.

lol. 10 char. :)

Cyan
05-18-2010, 01:14 PM
It's amazing how weak Rafa makes Fed's BH look. It looks very average.

nikdom
05-18-2010, 01:19 PM
It's amazing how weak Rafa makes Fed's BH look. It looks very average.

Also, its amazing how weak a tennis court makes Rafa's knees look. They seem very fragile compared to Roger's.

Cyan
05-18-2010, 01:23 PM
And Rafael suffers against players below his own ranking too: Davydenko, for example.



True that. Fed doesn't lose to mugs at the slams. Last time Fed lost to a mug at a slam was in 2003!:shock:

billnepill
05-18-2010, 02:36 PM
Source (http://www.as.com/tenis/articulo/federer-rafael-lleva-iniciativa-tactica/dasten/20100518dasdaiten_2/Tes)

Q: Can Federer be the best player in the world if there is another one who beats him two of every three times they play?

A: He can, just like somebody like Messi can be tactically suppressed by another player of a lesser level. Although that's not the case with my nephew Rafael, who does have a quite high level and can carry the tactical initiative.

Q: Explain us, mister coach: Is it because he hits to Federer's backhand?

A: Rafa focuses his game on Federer's backhand, indeed, but one can't just hit the same shot everytime. But he does throw him off his rhythm and timing, and sometimes he forces him to make rushed choices.

Q: But if Federer is the GOAT...

A: I don't know if Roger is the GOAT, it's impossible to compare. Although I would narrow it down to Federer and Rod Laver. Roger is indeed the best player of our time. And Rafael suffers against players below his own ranking too: Davydenko, for example.

Q: Brad Gilbert said your nephew Rafael could win 30 Masters...

A: Ha, ha... let's take it easy. It's taken us a lot to go this far; it will take a lot more to go that far.

Toni and his nephew are the biggest *******s out there..

cucio
05-18-2010, 03:49 PM
I can't claim I have read every interview Toni has given, but I am under the distinct impression that he is one of the biggest Lavtards out there, and I don't remember any occasion where he didn't put Federer in 2nd place after Laver.

He is of course entitled to his opinion, as anyone else, and it is impossible to prove him either right of wrong.

zapvor
05-18-2010, 04:28 PM
i have read articles about nadal and toni and they are very good people. his comments have good intentions. we all read too much into it sometimes

slicefox
05-18-2010, 05:05 PM
Toni Nadal???

rofl, who's this guy to judge the other tennis players? He's just a noob who's never even played pro tennis

OddJack
05-18-2010, 05:16 PM
Laver should be thanking the heavens that Federer is such a great player. If Federer did not acheieve what he has so far, I can guarantee that 90% of this forum would have never even heard of Laver.

Maybe so, but Rodge will have to thank Rod too. He wouldnt be who he is now if there were no likes of Laver. Tennis just like any other sport or science and technology advances is a gradual improvement. Likes of Newton must show up first to produce the likes of Einstein.

Mustard
05-18-2010, 05:47 PM
Toni Nadal???

rofl, who's this guy to judge the other tennis players? He's just a noob who's never even played pro tennis

Are you joking? Toni Nadal played professional tennis.

TennisandMusic
05-18-2010, 05:48 PM
Toni Nadal???

rofl, who's this guy to judge the other tennis players? He's just a noob who's never even played pro tennis

Wait a second...you judge guys on here all the time.

Have you played pro tennis? No.

Has Toni taken a player to be the best in the world? Yes. And "mastery" over "RF" as well.

And Toni is the noob?

JustBob
05-18-2010, 08:41 PM
Source (http://www.as.com/tenis/articulo/federer-rafael-lleva-iniciativa-tactica/dasten/20100518dasdaiten_2/Tes)

Q: Can Federer be the best player in the world if there is another one who beats him two of every three times they play?

A: He can, just like somebody like Messi can be tactically suppressed by another player of a lesser level. Although that's not the case with my nephew Rafael, who does have a quite high level and can carry the tactical initiative.
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Well at least uncle Toni understands that tennis isn't boxing. Perhaps some members of this forum should take note.

angiebaby
05-18-2010, 11:28 PM
Toni Nadal???

rofl, who's this guy to judge the other tennis players? He's just a noob who's never even played pro tennis

You're having a laugh right? RIGHT?

Justdoit10
05-18-2010, 11:30 PM
You're having a laugh right? RIGHT?
Pay no attention. Slicefox is a joke. He is a class A ******* troll. He is Mun's (Class A ******* troll) twin brother prob. :lol:

illuminati
05-19-2010, 12:03 AM
Toni Nadal???

rofl, who's this guy to judge the other tennis players? He's just a noob who's never even played pro tennis

lol this slicefox tool has his face so far up roger's red rec.tum that i doubt he can pull it out.

have u played pro tennis kid?
im not talking about playstation pro tennis.

sh@de
05-19-2010, 12:23 AM
Pay no attention. Slicefox is a joke. He is a class A ******* troll. He is Mun's (Class A ******* troll) twin brother prob. :lol:

Class A? You're underrating them :)

dmt
05-19-2010, 12:34 AM
when nadal won ao 09, he said in the post match conference that his uncle said that he thought laver was the greatest. So its not something Toni just made up.

Gen
05-19-2010, 12:37 AM
Lol, gilbert is crazy. :)

He had a story behind how he got the racquet but I can't remember it. :( It was something like he kept badgering nadal for a match racquet for years and maybe nadal told him that he would give him one if he ever won wimbledon or something. Damn you memory!

No. Gilbert had told Rafa that he considered Rafa a favorite for that Wimbledon before the tournament started. Rafa who loves being an underdog answered "no, no, no" (as usual). Gilbert retorted with something like: "OK, but if you win it, you'll give me your racket". And never forgot to collect his "trophey" :).

Gen
05-19-2010, 12:42 AM
Also, its amazing how weak a tennis court makes Rafa's knees look. They seem very fragile compared to Roger's.

You should see an eye doctor. Feddy's spindly extremities versus Rafa's shapely legs? Also Rafa can look whatever he wants to till he beats His Hairyness.

Halba
05-19-2010, 02:45 AM
True that. Fed doesn't lose to mugs at the slams. Last time Fed lost to a mug at a slam was in 2003!:shock:

hmm who was that? nalby?

dropshot winner
05-19-2010, 04:07 AM
hmm who was that? nalby?

Nalby is no mug, although he can play like one, but his two 5-set wins over Federer at the 2003 AO and US Open were very nice performances.

I guess he/she means Horna at the French (1st round straight set loss).

sh@de
05-19-2010, 04:32 AM
You should see an eye doctor. Feddy's spindly extremities versus Rafa's shapely legs? Also Rafa can look whatever he wants to till he beats His Hairyness.

And you need to have some lessons in English comprehension.

Cyan
05-19-2010, 08:09 AM
hmm who was that? nalby?

Horna at the FO.