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gold soundz
05-22-2010, 08:55 PM
The ratings go by the players general/overall quality/effectiveness/success in the specific area being rated. Don't rate each area
on how they did in a specific match or tournament.

By the way, consistency refers to how often they are in the zone and how often they come on the court with their proper game (i.e not patchy).

I haven't added fitness/physical strength because I wouldn't know enough to rate. Feel free to add any more areas to rate.

I've started with a few here...



Federer
Forehand - 10 (the best of all time. i wouldn't rate any other forehand 10)
Backhand - 9 (underrated. it only looks bad against nadal)
Serve - 9.5
Slice - 9.5
Volley - 9.5
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 9.5
Consistency - 9.5 (grand slams 10 without a doubt though)



Nadal
Forehand - 9.5
Backhand - 9
Serve - 8.5 (doesn't get enough free points imo)
Slice - 8.5
Volley - 9
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 10
Consistency - 9.5


Roddick
Forehand - 8.5
Backhand - 8.5
Serve - 10 (only other 10s would be sampras, karlovic, ivansevic maybe?)
Slice - 9
Volley - 8.5
Return - 8.5
Speed/footwork - 9
Mental Strength - 9.5
Consistency - 9.5


Nalbandian
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 9.5
Serve - 8.5
slice - 9
Volley - 9
Return - 9.5
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 8.5
Consistency - 7



Murray
Forehand - 8.5
Backhand - 9
Serve - 9
Slice - 9.5
Volley - 9
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 9.5
Consistency - 8.5


Gasquet
Forehand - 7 (terrible shot for a pro)
Backhand - 9 (a bit overrated. unless he sets up for a big one, it's average generally.)
Serve - 8.5
Slice - 9
Volley - 9
Return - 8.5
Speed/footwork - 8.5
Mental Strength - 6.5
Consistency - 7



Gonzo
Forehand - 9.5
Backhand - 8.5
Serve - 9
Slice - 9.5
Volley - 9
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 9
Mental Strength - 9
Consistency - 8


Del Potro
Forehand - 9.5
Backhand - 9
Serve - 9
Slice - 9
Volley - 9
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 9
Mental Strength - 9.5
Consistency - 9


Djokovic
Forehand - 9.5
Backhand - 9.5
Serve - 9
Slice - 9
Volley - 9
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 8.5
Consistency - 7.5


Davydenko
Forehand - 9.5
Backhand - 9.5
Serve - 8.5
Slice - 9
Volley - 9
Return - 9.5
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 8 (lets him down in the slams)
Consistency - 8.5






Also, I don't think anyone has a backhand worthy of a 10. No one has a backhand in the same category as Federer's forehand for example (IMO).

darthpwner
05-22-2010, 08:58 PM
Gonzo's backhand, Davydenko's serve, Nadal's serve, Roddick's backhand, Nalbandian's serve, and Gasquet's forehand are rated way too highly in my opinion. Most of these stats are way too high.

OKUSA
05-22-2010, 09:13 PM
Davydenko
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 9.5
Serve - 7
Slice - 6 (i don't think i've ever seen him slice)
Volley - 7 (forehand volley is non-existent)
Return - 9 (being short has it's disadvantages even if you are a great returner)
Speed/footwork - 9
Mental Strength - 8 (lets him down in the slams)
Consistency - 9

gold soundz
05-22-2010, 09:15 PM
Davydenko
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 9.5
Serve - 7
Slice - 6 (i don't think i've ever seen him slice)
Volley - 7 (forehand volley is non-existent)
Return - 9 (being short has it's disadvantages even if you are a great returner)
Speed/footwork - 9
Mental Strength - 8 (lets him down in the slams)
Consistency - 9

Come one his forehands deserves more than an 8. He bullies players around the court, including Nadal and Federer with it.

OKUSA
05-22-2010, 09:18 PM
it's a good rally shot, yes. good depth and pace, rarely does he hit winners with it. he does have good approach shots with it though

gold soundz
05-22-2010, 09:23 PM
it's a good rally shot, yes. good depth and pace, rarely does he hit winners with it. he does have good approach shots with it though

So you're saying his backhand is miles ahead of his forehand and (considering you rated his forehand 8 and his backhand 9.5)? So therefore he'd prefer to hit backhands much more over forehands. Wouldn't that mean that we'd see him frequently running around his forehand to hit backhands the way Federer runs around his backhand to hit forehands?

OKUSA
05-22-2010, 09:37 PM
there's no reason for him to, his backhand is good at everything while his forehand is good at rallies and approaches. murray doesn't even run around his forehand even though it's garbage compared to his backhand. it just doesn't happen that way since it takes more time to set up a backhand

Scientist
05-22-2010, 09:50 PM
Why are you rating everyone 9s and up? This is pointless

gold soundz
05-22-2010, 10:22 PM
Why are you rating everyone 9s and up? This is pointless

Because these are like the best tennis players in the world.

Scientist
05-22-2010, 10:43 PM
OK how about some ratings that make sense

Federer

FH-10
BH (topspin/flat)-8
BH (slice)-9.5
Serve-8.5
Volley-9.5
Return-8.5
Speed/Footwork-9
Stamina-9
Mental-9.5


Nadal

FH-9.5
BH (topspin/flat)-8.5
BH (slice)-7
Serve-7.5
Volley-7.5
Return-9.5
Speed/Footwork-10
Stamina-10
Mental-9.5

Djokovic
FH-9
BH (topspin/flat)-9
BH (slice)-8
Serve-8.5
Volley-7
Return-9
Speed/Footwork-8
Stamina-7.5
Mental-7.5

and for fun...MICHAEL RUSSELL
FH-7
BH (topspin/flat)-7.5
BH (slice)-6.5
Serve-6
Volley-6.5
Return-8
Speed/Footwork-8.5
Stamina-8.5
Mental-8

Scientist
05-22-2010, 10:48 PM
How about Feliciano Lopez lol:

FH:7.5
BH (topspin/flat): N/A
BH (slice):9
Serve: 9
Volley:8.5
Speed/Footwork:7.5
Stamina:7.5
Mental:6.5

TennisandMusic
05-22-2010, 10:51 PM
It still amazes me that some people think Nadal's volley is poor, or worse than Federer's. Do you guys watch the matches? Nadal regularly hits better volley's than Federer, and Federer consistently misses many "easy" volleys. Very odd thing. It's like people's desire to believe something strongly clouds their vision and/or judgement. Though I guess that's nothing remarkably new about people.

It would be like if I said Nadal had a tour beating serve.

Scientist
05-22-2010, 11:00 PM
There's no way Nadal volleys better than Federer

gold soundz
05-22-2010, 11:09 PM
It still amazes me that some people think Nadal's volley is poor, or worse than Federer's. Do you guys watch the matches? Nadal regularly hits better volley's than Federer, and Federer consistently misses many "easy" volleys. Very odd thing. It's like people's desire to believe something strongly clouds their vision and/or judgement. Though I guess that's nothing remarkably new about people.

It would be like if I said Nadal had a tour beating serve.

I get where you're coming from, but I think Fed makes incredible volleys, often with lots of backspin.

sh@de
05-22-2010, 11:26 PM
It still amazes me that some people think Nadal's volley is poor, or worse than Federer's. Do you guys watch the matches? Nadal regularly hits better volley's than Federer, and Federer consistently misses many "easy" volleys. Very odd thing. It's like people's desire to believe something strongly clouds their vision and/or judgement. Though I guess that's nothing remarkably new about people.

It would be like if I said Nadal had a tour beating serve.

I think you should check your own comments before you say things like that. Nadal volleying better than Fed? I can get it when you say Nadal volleys well, not poor, but the same as or better than Fed?

gold soundz
05-22-2010, 11:28 PM
I think Gasquet's volleys are highly underrated/unnoticed simply because he doesn't play many big matches. I nearly rated his volleys the same as Federer.

kimbahpnam
05-22-2010, 11:32 PM
I'd give Nadal's slice a 9 and I gotta rate his speed/footwork a 10 if you give Fed a 9.5 because he is definitely faster than Fed and his defense is better.

gold soundz
05-22-2010, 11:38 PM
I'd give Nadal's slice a 9 and I gotta rate his speed/footwork a 10 if you give Fed a 9.5 because he is definitely faster than Fed and his defense is better.

I don't think Nadal's footwork is better than Federer's. He's often out of position hitting, whilst it seems like Federer never is.

kimbahpnam
05-22-2010, 11:39 PM
well you put them in the same category as speed + footwork so I'd say footwork alone they'd both be a 9.5, but as far as speed goes, Nadal wins. And since I am putting defense in the speed/footwork category and Nadal has better defense, I give him a higher grade.

P_Agony
05-23-2010, 12:55 AM
I only included guys from the top 10:

Federer
Forehand - 10 (It deserves an 8 now, but if we are counting overall career, it's 10)
Backhand - 8.5 (Huge slice, great angles and passing shots, not a great rally shot)
Serve - 10 (While hasn't served that well in 2010, proven in slams that it's the serve which wins or losses him matches. Federer is the best clutch server on tour, which makes his serving the best serving, even if there are more powerful serves out there)
Slice - 10
Volley - 8
Return - 7
Speed/footwork - 9
Mental Strength - 8
Consistency - 8 (10 at slams, 6 at other events)

Nadal
Forehand - 10 (Best FH on tour today)
Backhand - 8.5 (consistent, great passing shots on the run, can't hit it DTL almost at all, slice lands short and to the middle)
Serve - 7 (consistent but very attackable)
Slice - 6
Volley - 7.5
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 9.5 (Not as fast as in 2005 but still the fastest out there)
Mental Strength - 10
Consistency - 9 (great at MS events, usually very consistent at slams as well)

Roddick
Forehand - 8 (loopy)
Backhand - 8 (underrated)
Serve - 9.5 (Roddick's serve is huge, but I think there are player who are better clutch servers and have better accuracy)
Slice - 9 (pretty good actually)
Volley - 8
Return - 7
Speed/footwork - 9 (improved over the last two years)
Mental Strength - 9.5
Consistency - 8 (pretty consistent, but where is the clay?)

Murray
Forehand - 7 (big weakness for Murray, good CC passing shots though)
Backhand - 10 (best today)
Serve - 7 (low 1st serve % most of the time)
Slice - 9
Volley - 8
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 8.5
Consistency - 8.5

Del Potro
Forehand - 10 (Best today along with Nadal's)
Backhand - 9
Serve - 9
Slice - 6
Volley - 7
Return - 8
Speed/footwork - 8
Mental Strength - 9.5
Consistency - 7 (Not in the big consistency league yet)

Djokovic
Forehand - 8 (Quite a weakness, but works well at times)
Backhand - 10 (brilliant)
Serve - 8 (good 1st serve, but too many DFs at the wrong moments)
Slice - 6 (awful)
Volley - 8
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 8.5
Consistency - 7.5

Davydenko
Forehand - 8.5
Backhand - 10 (along with Djoko and Murray, the best out there today)
Serve - 8.5
Slice - 7
Volley - 7.5 (good drop volleys, not much else)
Return - 9.5 (excellent)
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 8 (lets him down in the slams)
Consistency - 8.5

sh@de
05-23-2010, 12:55 AM
well you put them in the same category as speed + footwork so I'd say footwork alone they'd both be a 9.5, but as far as speed goes, Nadal wins. And since I am putting defense in the speed/footwork category and Nadal has better defense, I give him a higher grade.

How the heck does that work...? So should attack be lumped with power?

:shock:

Anaconda
05-23-2010, 01:28 AM
I love P_Agony's post about how Roddick's serve is 9.5, and Federer's serve is apparently the best on tour. Funny, except Federer's serve isn't clutch when he's playing Nadal, or any other player (like JMDP or Murray) he struggles with.

I will however say that Federer has got a good service game as a whole. He's got great strokes and volleys so he can hold. However there is no getting away from the fact that if Karlovic and Roddick didn't have a serve, they probably wouldn't be top 50 players. Federer without his serve would still be #1.

Augustus
05-23-2010, 01:35 AM
I love P_Agony's post about how Roddick's serve is 9.5, and Federer's serve is apparently the best on tour. Funny, except Federer's serve isn't clutch when he's playing Nadal, or any other player (like JMDP or Murray) he struggles with.

I will however say that Federer has got a good service game as a whole. He's got great strokes and volleys so he can hold. However there is no getting away from the fact that if Karlovic and Roddick didn't have a serve, they probably wouldn't be top 50 players. Federer without his serve would still be #1.

No, just no. Federer has a great serve that has won him many matches when his groundgame was off. Without his serve he wouldn't even have half the number of slams he has now.

P_Agony
05-23-2010, 01:36 AM
I love P_Agony's post about how Roddick's serve is 9.5, and Federer's serve is apparently the best on tour. Funny, except Federer's serve isn't clutch when he's playing Nadal, or any other player (like JMDP or Murray) he struggles with.

I will however say that Federer has got a good service game as a whole. He's got great strokes and volleys so he can hold. However there is no getting away from the fact that if Karlovic and Roddick didn't have a serve, they probably wouldn't be top 50 players. Federer without his serve would still be #1.

Which is why I explained that I prefer Federer's serving, not his serve. My opinion isn't popular around here, I know that, and I can understand that, and still I would take Fed's serve over Roddick's, because of the serving. Roddick couldn't serve big to save his life back in the 2009 Wimbly final, he couldn't serve out the 2nd set TB despit having, what, 5 SPs?

Fed's serve, like his whole game, suffers when he plays Nadal, but I've seen Fed's serve come to his rescue more than any other stroke of his. He gets so many cheap points even from his 2nd serve, and you can see that when he's serving well he usually is playing well too. The serve, IMO, defines his current game more than his strokes. Don't forget Fed was almost winning W 08 despite his game not working, only his serve was there to rescue him. Nadal was so superior from the baseline that day that Federer really needed to work in these TBs and when he had the chance he served it out.

BTW, Fed's serve was VERY clutch in the AO final this year. The times it wasn't clutch and he didn't serve well, he ended up losing.

P_Agony
05-23-2010, 01:39 AM
No, just no. Federer has a great serve that has won him many matches when his groundgame was off. Without his serve he wouldn't even have half the number of slams he has now.

I agree. Fed's serve build his finishing FH as well. Many forget that and just see it as a great FH, but it's the serve really. I dare say that Fed won his slams past 2007 based mostly on his serve.

Augustus
05-23-2010, 01:44 AM
I agree. Fed's serve build his finishing FH as well. Many forget that and just see it as a great FH, but it's the serve really. I dare say that Fed won his slams past 2007 based mostly on his serve.

Yes. If Federer had Nadal's serve his last slam would've been AO 2007.

Anaconda
05-23-2010, 01:49 AM
Which is why I explained that I prefer Federer's serving, not his serve. My opinion isn't popular around here, I know that, and I can understand that, and still I would take Fed's serve over Roddick's, because of the serving. Roddick couldn't serve big to save his life back in the 2009 Wimbly final, he couldn't serve out the 2nd set TB despit having, what, 5 SPs?

Fed's serve, like his whole game, suffers when he plays Nadal, but I've seen Fed's serve come to his rescue more than any other stroke of his. He gets so many cheap points even from his 2nd serve, and you can see that when he's serving well he usually is playing well too. The serve, IMO, defines his current game more than his strokes.

BTW, Fed's serve was VERY clutch in the AO final this year. The times it wasn't clutch and he didn't serve well, he ended up losing.


- Wait, Roddick, who is considered the worst returner in the top 30, managed to break Federer twice. In fact, Federer, IMO the second best returner managed only one break of serve. I'd rather hold all but 1 serve and hit 30 aces, than blast 50 aces against a poor returner and hold less.

- Murray is the best returner in the game and struggled with Roddick's serve and his service game overall at Wimbledon. Same can't be said for Federer.

- Looks at the stats on the ATP website, Roddick and Karlovic are ahead of Federer in every category. I'm not calling you an idiot or anything like that, however the numbers don't lie.

- Federer was #1 in 2005. He didn't serve that well that year.

You can say that Federer serves better than anyone, it's your opinion. Not many people will take that point of view seriously.

AndyArodRoddick
05-23-2010, 03:48 AM
I only included guys from the top 10:

Federer
Forehand - 10 (It deserves an 8 now, but if we are counting overall career, it's 10)
Backhand - 8.5 (Huge slice, great angles and passing shots, not a great rally shot)
Serve - 10 (While hasn't served that well in 2010, proven in slams that it's the serve which wins or losses him matches. Federer is the best clutch server on tour, which makes his serving the best serving, even if there are more powerful serves out there)
Slice - 10
Volley - 8
Return - 7
Speed/footwork - 9
Mental Strength - 8
Consistency - 8 (10 at slams, 6 at other events)

Nadal
Forehand - 10 (Best FH on tour today)
Backhand - 8.5 (consistent, great passing shots on the run, can't hit it DTL almost at all, slice lands short and to the middle)
Serve - 7 (consistent but very attackable)
Slice - 6
Volley - 7.5
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 9.5 (Not as fast as in 2005 but still the fastest out there)
Mental Strength - 10
Consistency - 9 (great at MS events, usually very consistent at slams as well)

Roddick
Forehand - 8 (loopy)
Backhand - 8 (underrated)
Serve - 9.5 (Roddick's serve is huge, but I think there are player who are better clutch servers and have better accuracy)
Slice - 9 (pretty good actually)
Volley - 8
Return - 7
Speed/footwork - 9 (improved over the last two years)
Mental Strength - 9.5
Consistency - 8 (pretty consistent, but where is the clay?)

Murray
Forehand - 7 (big weakness for Murray, good CC passing shots though)
Backhand - 10 (best today)
Serve - 7 (low 1st serve % most of the time)
Slice - 9
Volley - 8
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 8.5
Consistency - 8.5

Del Potro
Forehand - 10 (Best today along with Nadal's)
Backhand - 9
Serve - 9
Slice - 6
Volley - 7
Return - 8
Speed/footwork - 8
Mental Strength - 9.5
Consistency - 7 (Not in the big consistency league yet)

Djokovic
Forehand - 8 (Quite a weakness, but works well at times)
Backhand - 10 (brilliant)
Serve - 8 (good 1st serve, but too many DFs at the wrong moments)
Slice - 6 (awful)
Volley - 8
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 8.5
Consistency - 7.5

Davydenko
Forehand - 8.5
Backhand - 10 (along with Djoko and Murray, the best out there today)
Serve - 8.5
Slice - 7
Volley - 7.5 (good drop volleys, not much else)
Return - 9.5 (excellent)
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 8 (lets him down in the slams)
Consistency - 8.5

I lold hard at Roddicks serve points. No way Fed's is better. :D Laughter. Fed outserved Andy in 1 match and now he has better serve ?.....

Bud
05-23-2010, 03:53 AM
It still amazes me that some people think Nadal's volley is poor, or worse than Federer's. Do you guys watch the matches? Nadal regularly hits better volley's than Federer, and Federer consistently misses many "easy" volleys. Very odd thing. It's like people's desire to believe something strongly clouds their vision and/or judgement. Though I guess that's nothing remarkably new about people.

It would be like if I said Nadal had a tour beating serve.

There's no way Nadal volleys better than Federer

Go watch a match, sometime

P_Agony
05-23-2010, 07:07 AM
- Wait, Roddick, who is considered the worst returner in the top 30, managed to break Federer twice. In fact, Federer, IMO the second best returner managed only one break of serve. I'd rather hold all but 1 serve and hit 30 aces, than blast 50 aces against a poor returner and hold less.

Overall, Fed hit aces and held serve when it counted the most. Roddick actually held his serve because his baseline game that day was brilliant. It was like he borrowed Nalby's BH there for a while.

- Murray is the best returner in the game and struggled with Roddick's serve and his service game overall at Wimbledon. Same can't be said for Federer.

- Looks at the stats on the ATP website, Roddick and Karlovic are ahead of Federer in every category. I'm not calling you an idiot or anything like that, however the numbers don't lie.

Actually, if we are going by the stats, Federer had the highest number of 2nd serve points won last year, above both Karlovic and Roddick. Does that mean Fed has a better 2nd serve? No. Stats don't tell the whole story, there is more to serve than just aces. I would rather have one ace at a crucial moment than hit 78 aces and lose the match.
- Federer was #1 in 2005. He didn't serve that well that year.

You can say that Federer serves better than anyone, it's your opinion. Not many people will take that point of view seriously.

Like I said, it's not a popular opinion, but I'm a proud owner of it.


In the bold.

P_Agony
05-23-2010, 07:08 AM
Go watch a match, sometime

Nadal's volleys are overrated IMO. He only comes to the net for sitters, and of course he won't miss them. Even I wouldn't, and my volleys are crap.

When someone challlenges Nadal with low passing shots he will often miss.

sh@de
05-23-2010, 09:01 AM
Go watch a match, sometime

Haha.

Hahahahahahah.

Hahahahahahahhahhahahahahahahahahhahaha!!

Go get a brain, sometime.

kimbahpnam
05-23-2010, 09:20 AM
How the heck does that work...? So should attack be lumped with power?

:shock:

sure if it works for ya ;)

Vyse
05-23-2010, 09:28 AM
Fernando Verdasco:
FH: 9 (Forces players so far back behind the baseline and is great with topspin or flattening it)
BH: 8 (Seems solid to me)
Slice: 6 (Rarely uses it)
Serve: 8.5 (I think it is one of the best although he DFs way too much.)
Volley: 5 (Nonexistent)
Mental Strength: 5 (pretty bad but looked solid this year, gotta wonder about that match yesterday though)
Speed: 8 (great speed as he is in near perfect shape)
Consistency: 6 (not great, goes with his poor mental strength)

ChopShot
05-23-2010, 09:37 AM
Ernests Gulbis:
FH: 8.5 - Above 10 when it's on, and somewhere below 5 when it just really isn't.
BH: 10 - Along with Murray, has the best BH on tour today.
Slice: 8 - Definitely serviceable, not top-notch.
Serve: 10 - Monster first and especially seconds. Great clutch serving as well.
Volley: 9 - Excellent touch, especially drop volleys.
Mental Strength: Over entire career, 3. As of late, 6 or 7.
Speed: 7 - Reasonable enough as to not be a liability. Underrated footwork.
Consistency: Over entire career, 2-3, as of late, 7 or 8.

pjonesy
05-23-2010, 11:21 AM
Davydenko
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 9.5
Serve - 7
Slice - 6 (i don't think i've ever seen him slice)
Volley - 7 (forehand volley is non-existent)
Return - 9 (being short has it's disadvantages even if you are a great returner)
Speed/footwork - 9
Mental Strength - 8 (lets him down in the slams)
Consistency - 9

I would tend to agree with your criticisms. Davydenko's talent stems from his great movement and his ability to take the ball early. If you take his strokes individually, they are not worth the sum of his parts.

viduka0101
05-23-2010, 11:37 AM
Haha.

Hahahahahahah.

Hahahahahahahhahhahahahahahahahahhahaha!!

Go get a brain, sometime.

wow,what a lame comeback line:neutral:

World Beater
05-23-2010, 11:46 AM
It still amazes me that some people think Nadal's volley is poor, or worse than Federer's. Do you guys watch the matches? Nadal regularly hits better volley's than Federer, and Federer consistently misses many "easy" volleys. Very odd thing. It's like people's desire to believe something strongly clouds their vision and/or judgement. Though I guess that's nothing remarkably new about people.

It would be like if I said Nadal had a tour beating serve.

federer has a volley that is MILES better than nadal.

have you even noticed when nadal does come to net. He comes to net only to hit sitters.

Federer actually comes to net to try and win points. So federer is at net more often - so makes and misses more often than nadal. Federer can hit all kinds of volleys - nadal is very limited with what he can do at net.

But nadal understands this, and he is smart about when he does come to net. he has an amazing baseline game and doesnt need to come to net that often.

Federer risks much more when he comes to net. He comes to net maybe at 70% probability of winning the point - where the opponent still has a good chance of hitting a passing shot. Nadal comes to net when he has a 90% chance of winning the point.

Two different approaches. If you focus only on the federer misses, then one could come to your conclusion. But roger has hit many fantastic volleys against all kinds of players.

World Beater
05-23-2010, 11:48 AM
No, just no. Federer has a great serve that has won him many matches when his groundgame was off. Without his serve he wouldn't even have half the number of slams he has now.

Agree.

Federer's serve is really excellent. He may not be bombing his serve like ivanisevic or roddick. But he sets up points well, and throughout his career - he has been quite clutch with it hitting aces at crucial times.

But it is not as consistent of a weapon as roddick's though. But then roddick has arguably the best serve on tour.

World Beater
05-23-2010, 11:54 AM
There's no way Nadal volleys better than Federer

pretty much.

Federer does miss easy sitters sometimes but then again so does rafa. Overall, i expect rafa to have a higher success rate than federer at net because of the nature of his approaches to net. but he will come to net less frequently on average than federer. But this will not be the case for all their matches. Much will depend on the matchup.

Nadal can gain the edge on the baseline against federer and thus can be aggressive coming to net more. Federer will not come to net unless he can hit a strong approach shot and if he is losing the baseline battle - we wont see him at net that often.

I have watched sampras, edberg...and yes they missed easy volleys in many matches as well. But coming to net was an overwhelmingly successful strategy for them.

P_Agony
05-23-2010, 01:40 PM
Agree.

Federer's serve is really excellent. He may not be bombing his serve like ivanisevic or roddick. But he sets up points well, and throughout his career - he has been quite clutch with it hitting aces at crucial times.

But it is not as consistent of a weapon as roddick's though. But then roddick has arguably the best serve on tour.

Fair enough, well written post (even if I disagree a bit). I think Roddick has the better serve, but Federer has the better serving.

P_Agony
05-23-2010, 01:49 PM
Go watch a match, sometime

Well then, why don't you find a video of Nadal hitting a volley as difficult and as good as the one in the following video (5:00). I challenge you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvMr6736Sqw&feature=related

vbranis
05-23-2010, 01:55 PM
Here's an amazing volley from Nadal:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWC_Pc7vmfI

P_Agony
05-23-2010, 02:19 PM
Here's an amazing volley from Nadal:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWC_Pc7vmfI

That's a brilliant shot, but not a great volley in the classic sense. It was great defense more than anything, Nadal reached it and tried to hit and it went where it went. Great winner sure, but didn't require volley skills as much as defensive skills. I would like a video of Nadal coming to the net on his own terms and getting a tough passing shot like the one Fed got from Gulbis, and I would like to see Nadal doing all sorts of special things with the ball.

And while you're at it, check out this great volley (6:11):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6eK8r9lRt0

vbranis
05-23-2010, 02:41 PM
That's a brilliant shot, but not a great volley in the classic sense. It was great defense more than anything, Nadal reached it and tried to hit and it went where it went. Great winner sure, but didn't require volley skills as much as defensive skills. I would like a video of Nadal coming to the net on his own terms and getting a tough passing shot like the one Fed got from Gulbis, and I would like to see Nadal doing all sorts of special things with the ball.

And while you're at it, check out this great volley (6:11):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6eK8r9lRt0

There is no doubt that Federer has great volleys, but lately I've noticed him missing more easy volleys than before whereas Nadal has kept steadily improving. Fed's volleys for the first 1/2 of his career were right up there with the best of all-time (much better than Rafa's today) but he's let them slip since as his game has become more baseline oriented. So right now I'd have to say Fed is about even with Rafa in the net play department.

I was watching the IW dubs final this year and I was really impressed with how Nadal was volleying and he really took it to Nestor/Zimonjic, who are both great volleyers. His net game is underrated, IMO, because some people simply refuse to accept that a clay-courter with extreme grips can possibly have good volleys.

P_Agony
05-23-2010, 03:38 PM
There is no doubt that Federer has great volleys, but lately I've noticed him missing more easy volleys than before whereas Nadal has kept steadily improving. Fed's volleys for the first 1/2 of his career were right up there with the best of all-time (much better than Rafa's today) but he's let them slip since as his game has become more baseline oriented. So right now I'd have to say Fed is about even with Rafa in the net play department.

I was watching the IW dubs final this year and I was really impressed with how Nadal was volleying and he really took it to Nestor/Zimonjic, who are both great volleyers. His net game is underrated, IMO, because some people simply refuse to accept that a clay-courter with extreme grips can possibly have good volleys.

His net game is solid, but not more than that IMO. He can make it look great because he's barely approaching the net and when he does it's easy sitters. Fed can miss easy volleys but he doesn't often, and keep in mind that Fed approaches the net a lot more and has to hit difficult volleys often.

Serendipitous
05-23-2010, 03:48 PM
10's all around! :o:o:o:o

viduka0101
05-23-2010, 05:40 PM
And while you're at it, check out this great volley (6:11):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6eK8r9lRt0
if it's still a challenge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8-oH1YM110
at 1:05

now we could play this stupid game all night long believe me

djokovicgonzalez2010
05-23-2010, 05:59 PM
Federer
Forehand - 10
Backhand - 7 That's right. 7. I don't like it, I think it's undependable.
Serve - 9.5
Slice - 9
Volley - 9.5
Return - 7
Speed/footwork - 9
Mental Strength - 8
Consistency - 6 (In Slams, 10, in nonslams 1)



Nadal
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 8
Serve - 6, just happens to work vs Fed, overall very poor
Slice - 8.5
Volley - N/A
Return - 9.5
Speed/footwork - 10
Mental Strength - 08 Nadal: 10 2010 Nadal: 7.5
Consistency - 10


Roddick
Forehand - 8.5
Backhand - 7.5
Serve - 10
Slice - 9
Volley - 9.5, just the approach shot....
Return - 7
Speed/footwork - 8.5
Mental Strength - 10
Consistency - 8.5- Injured all the time

Nalbandian
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 9.5
Serve - 8.5
slice - 9
Volley - 9
Return - 9.5
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 2
Consistency - 2



Murray
Forehand - 7
Backhand - 10
Serve - 6
Slice - 9.5
Volley - 9.5
Return - 10
Speed/footwork -10
Mental Strength - 7
Consistency - 9

Gasquet
Forehand - 6
Backhand - 10
Serve - 9
Slice - 9
Volley - 9
Return - 8
Speed/footwork - 8.5
Mental Strength - 5
Consistency - 7



Gonzo
Forehand - 10
Backhand - 6.5
Serve - 9
Slice - 9.5
Volley - 9
Return - 7
Speed/footwork - 8
Mental Strength - 10
Consistency - 5


Del Potro
Forehand - 9.5
Backhand - 9
Serve - 9
Slice - 9
Volley - 9
Return - 8
Speed/footwork - 6
Mental Strength - 9.5
Consistency - 6


Djokovic
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 9.5
Serve - 5.5
Slice - 9
Volley - 9
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 10
Mental Strength - 7.5
Consistency - 8


Davydenko
Forehand - 8.5
Backhand -10
Serve - 7
Slice - 9
Volley - 8.5
Return - 10
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 8 (250s-1000s 10, Slams 5-6)
Consistency - 10

For the Fed draw:

Montanes
Forehand - 8
Backhand -8
Serve - 5
Slice - 10
Volley - 8.5
Return - 10
Speed/footwork - 10
Mental Strength - 10
Consistency - 2 (largest gap you'll ever see between last 2 stats)

Soderling
Forehand - 10
Backhand -10
Serve - 10
Slice - 3
Volley - 3
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 5
Mental Strength - 7.5
Consistency - 9.5

gold soundz
05-23-2010, 06:01 PM
Federer
Forehand - 10
Backhand - 7 That's right. 7. I don't like it, I think it's undependable.
Serve - 9.5
Slice - 9
Volley - 9.5
Return - 7
Speed/footwork - 9
Mental Strength - 8
Consistency - 6 (In Slams, 10, in nonslams 1)



Nadal
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 8
Serve - 6, just happens to work vs Fed, overall very poor
Slice - 8.5
Volley - N/A
Return - 9.5
Speed/footwork - 10
Mental Strength - 08 Nadal: 10 2010 Nadal: 7.5
Consistency - 10


Roddick
Forehand - 8.5
Backhand - 7.5
Serve - 10
Slice - 9
Volley - 9.5, just the approach shot....
Return - 7
Speed/footwork - 8.5
Mental Strength - 10
Consistency - 8.5- Injured all the time

Nalbandian
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 9.5
Serve - 8.5
slice - 9
Volley - 9
Return - 9.5
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 2
Consistency - 2



Murray
Forehand - 7
Backhand - 10
Serve - 6
Slice - 9.5
Volley - 9.5
Return - 10
Speed/footwork -10
Mental Strength - 7
Consistency - 9

Gasquet
Forehand - 6
Backhand - 10
Serve - 9
Slice - 9
Volley - 9
Return - 8
Speed/footwork - 8.5
Mental Strength - 5
Consistency - 7



Gonzo
Forehand - 10
Backhand - 6.5
Serve - 9
Slice - 9.5
Volley - 9
Return - 7
Speed/footwork - 8
Mental Strength - 10
Consistency - 5


Del Potro
Forehand - 9.5
Backhand - 9
Serve - 9
Slice - 9
Volley - 9
Return - 8
Speed/footwork - 6
Mental Strength - 9.5
Consistency - 6


Djokovic
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 9.5
Serve - 5.5
Slice - 9
Volley - 9
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 10
Mental Strength - 7.5
Consistency - 8


Davydenko
Forehand - 8.5
Backhand -10
Serve - 7
Slice - 9
Volley - 8.5
Return - 10
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 8 (250s-1000s 10, Slams 5-6)
Consistency - 10

For the Fed draw:

Montanes
Forehand - 8
Backhand -8
Serve - 5
Slice - 10
Volley - 8.5
Return - 10
Speed/footwork - 10
Mental Strength - 10
Consistency - 2 (largest gap you'll ever see between last 2 stats)

Soderling
Forehand - 10
Backhand -10
Serve - 10
Slice - 3
Volley - 3
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 5
Mental Strength - 7.5
Consistency - 9.5

So you think Roddick has a better forehand than Nadal?

viduka0101
05-23-2010, 06:06 PM
So you think Roddick has a better forehand than Nadal?

that's the only stat you find puzzling?:-?

gold soundz
05-23-2010, 06:10 PM
that's the only stat you find puzzling?:-?

Lol no, I disagreed with a lot of it but that one just stood out.

kishnabe
05-23-2010, 06:15 PM
The ratings go by the players general/overall quality/effectiveness/success in the specific area being rated. Don't rate each area
on how they did in a specific match or tournament.

By the way, consistency refers to how often they are in the zone and how often they come on the court with their proper game (i.e not patchy).

I haven't added fitness/physical strength because I wouldn't know enough to rate. Feel free to add any more areas to rate.

I've started with a few here...



Federer
Forehand - 10 (the best of all time. i wouldn't rate any other forehand 10)
Backhand - 9 (underrated. it only looks bad against nadal)
Serve - 9.5
Slice - 9.5
Volley - 9.5
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 10
Mental Strength - 9
Consistency - 10



Nadal
Forehand - 7
Backhand - 10
Serve - 6
Slice - 8
Volley - 7
Return - 10
Speed/footwork - 10
Mental Strength - 10
Consistency - 10


Roddick
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 7
Serve - 10
Slice - 4
Volley - 6
Return - 5
Speed/footwork - 7
Mental Strength - 10
Consistency - 9


Nalbandian
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 10
Serve - 7
slice - 7
Volley - 9
Return - 10
Speed/footwork - 9
Mental Strength - 8
Consistency - 7



Murray
Forehand - 3
Backhand - 9
Serve - 8
Slice - 7
Volley - 7
Return -10
Speed/footwork - 9
Mental Strength - 9
Consistency - 9


Gasquet
Forehand - 6
Backhand - 9 (a bit overrated. unless he sets up for a big one, it's average generally.)
Serve - 7
Slice - 7
Volley - 6
Return - 6
Speed/footwork - 6
Mental Strength - 9
Consistency - 7



Gonzo
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 7
Serve - 7
Slice - 8
Volley - 7
Return - 7
Speed/footwork - 7
Mental Strength - 8
Consistency - 8


Del Potro
Forehand - 9.5
Backhand -8
Serve - 10
Slice - 8
Volley - 7
Return - 7
Speed/footwork - 9
Mental Strength - 9.5
Consistency - 9


Djokovic
Forehand - 9.5
Backhand - 9.5
Serve - 9
Slice - 9
Volley - 9
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 8.5
Consistency - 7.5


Davydenko
Forehand - 9.5
Backhand - 9.5
Serve - 8.5
Slice - 9
Volley - 9
Return - 9.5
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 8 (lets him down in the slams)
Consistency - 8.5






Also, I don't think anyone has a backhand worthy of a 10. No one has a backhand in the same category as Federer's forehand for example (IMO).

10 char...changed a few

djokovicgonzalez2010
05-23-2010, 06:17 PM
Lol no, I disagreed with a lot of it but that one just stood out.

On average, maybe not, though Roddick's CAN be better. Yeah, make them both 8. Nadal's just works really well vs Fed

gold soundz
05-23-2010, 06:23 PM
On average, maybe not, though Roddick's CAN be better. Yeah, make them both 8. Nadal's just works really well vs Fed

Nadal bullies players around the court with his forehand

flyinghippos101
05-23-2010, 06:24 PM
People are being too generous btw, and footwork and speed are NOT the same

Federer
Forehand - 10
Backhand - 8.5 (Only fully exploited on clay tournaments against Nadal or someone of similar play style, Andreev maybe)
Serve - 9
Slice - 9
Volley - 7 (Have seen rough times as of late)
Return - 8
Speed- 8
Footwork- 10
Mental Strength - 8
Consistency - 9

Nadal
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 9
Serve - 7
Slice - 8
Volley - 8 (Vastly overrated on these boards but otherwise underrated when referring to his skill, hardly approaches the net and often does so out of necessity. Otherwise a competent volleyer that gets the job done)
Return - 9
Speed - 10 (Can get shots that no human being should be able to get)
Footwork - 8
Mental Strength - 9
Consistency - 10


Roddick
Forehand - 8 (Underrated forehand, if he flattened it out, would be beast)
Backhand - 7.5
Serve - 10
Slice - 7 (Does it way too much, consistent, but otherwise leaves him open to attack sometimes)
Volley - 8 (Sucks a little less than it did 3 years ago but still not anything great)
Return - 6 (50 aces by Fed at the Wimby final, nuff' said)
Speed - 8 Has some good raw speed
Footwork - (7 But doesn't have the footwork to complement speed)
Mental Strength - 9
Consistency - 8

Murray
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 10
Serve - 6 (Deplorable first serve percentages and accompanied by 60 mph second serves that gets eaten up by any capable returner)
Slice - 9
Volley - 8
Return - 10
Speed - 9
footwork - 9
Mental Strength - 7 (Decent mental strength but breaks rank and starts smashing rackets at the sight of defeat)
Consistency - 8

Del Potro
Forehand - 9.5 (A marvel of pure pace and placement, all round a great stroke)
Backhand - 9
Serve - 9
Slice - 8
Volley - 8
Return - 8
Speed - 8 (Fast for his frame and height)
footwork - 6 (But lacks the proper foot work at times, especially when approaching the net, looking scared and often times, confused)
Mental Strength - 9
Consistency - 8

Djokovic
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 8
Serve - 7 (Terrible service motion that supplanted his old, reliable serve)
Slice - 9
Volley - 9
Return - 9
Speed - 9 (Perfect combination of speed and footwork)
Footwork - 10
Mental Strength - 7 (Headcase as of late)
Consistency - 8

gold soundz
05-23-2010, 06:27 PM
People are being too generous btw, and footwork and speed are NOT the same

Federer
Forehand - 10
Backhand - 8.5 (Only fully exploited on clay tournaments against Nadal or someone of similar play style, Andreev maybe)
Serve - 9
Slice - 9
Volley - 7 (Have seen rough times as of late)
Return - 8
Speed- 8
Footwork- 10
Mental Strength - 8
Consistency - 9



Nadal
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 9
Serve - 7
Slice - 8
Volley - 8 (Vastly overrated on these boards but otherwise underrated when referring to his skill, hardly approaches the net and often does so out of necessity. Otherwise a competent volleyer that gets the job done)
Return - 9
Speed - 10
Footwork - 8
Mental Strength - 9
Consistency - 10


Roddick
Forehand - 8.5
Backhand - 7.5
Serve - 10
Slice - 7 (Does it way too much, consistent, but otherwise leaves him open to attack sometimes)
Volley - 8 (Sucks a little less than it did 3 years ago but still not anything great)
Return - 6 (50 aces by Fed at the Wimby final, nuff' said)
Speed - 8 Has some good raw speed
Footwork - (7 But doesn't have the footwork to complement speed)
Mental Strength - 9
Consistency - 8

Murray
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 10
Serve - 6 (Deplorable first serve percentages and accompanied by 60 mph second serves that gets eaten up by any capable returner)
Slice - 9
Volley - 8
Return - 10
Speed - 9
footwork - 9
Mental Strength - 7 (Decent mental strength but breaks rank and starts smashing rackets at the sight of defeat)
Consistency - 8

Del Potro
Forehand - 9.5 (A marvel of pure pace and placement, all round a great stroke)
Backhand - 9
Serve - 9
Slice - 8
Volley - 8
Return - 8
Speed - 8 (Fast for his frame and height)
footwork - 6 (But lacks the proper foot work at times, especially when approaching the net, looking scared and often times, confused)
Mental Strength - 9
Consistency - 8

Djokovic
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 8
Serve - 7 (Terrible service motion that supplanted his old, reliable serve)
Slice - 9
Volley - 9
Return - 9
Speed - 9 (Perfect combination of speed and footwork)
Footwork - 10
Mental Strength - 7 (Headcase as of late)
Consistency - 8

Oh boy, so now Nadal's backhand is better than his forehand?

ubermeyer
05-23-2010, 06:34 PM
Federer
Forehand - 9.9
Backhand - 8.9
Serve - 9.3
Slice - 9.5
Volley - 9.5
Return - 9.1
Speed/footwork - 9.7
Mental Strength - 10
Consistency - 9.8

Nadal
Forehand - 9.6
Backhand - 9.3
Serve - 6.9
Slice - 8
Volley - 8.9
Return - 9.2
Speed/footwork - 9.6
Mental Strength - 9.4
Consistency - 9.6

Roddick
Forehand - 8.1
Backhand - 7.7
Serve - 9.9
Slice - 7.8
Volley - 8
Return - 8
Speed/footwork - 8
Mental Strength - 8
Consistency - 9

Nalbandian
Forehand - 7.7
Backhand - 9.5
Serve - 8
Slice - 8.9
Volley - 8
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 9
Mental Strength - 8
Consistency - 7

Murray
Forehand - 7.5
Backhand - 9
Serve - 8.6
Slice - 9
Volley - 8
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 9
Consistency - 8

Gasquet
Forehand - 6.9
Backhand - 9.8
Serve - 8
Slice - 8.2
Volley - 8
Return - 8.5
Speed/footwork - 8.5
Mental Strength - 6.5
Consistency - 7

Gonzalez
Forehand - 9.5
Backhand - 8
Serve - 8.5
Slice - 9
Volley - 8
Return - 8.7
Speed/footwork - 8.4
Mental Strength - 8.1
Consistency - 7.8

Del Potro
Forehand - 9.5
Backhand - 9.1
Serve - 9
Slice - 8.4
Volley - 8.9
Return - 9.1
Speed/footwork - 8.9
Mental Strength - 9.5
Consistency - 8.9

Djokovic
Forehand - 9.1
Backhand - 9.1
Serve - 8.9
Slice - 9.5
Volley - 9
Return - 9.3
Speed/footwork - 9.4
Mental Strength - 8.6
Consistency - 8.4

Davydenko
Forehand - 9.2
Backhand - 9.2
Serve - 8.4
Slice - 9.1
Volley - 8.6
Return - 9.6
Speed/footwork - 9.4
Mental Strength - 7.9
Consistency - 8

Karlovic!!!
Forehand - 6
Backhand - 2.9
Serve - 10
Slice - 6
Volley - 9.7
Return - 4.5
Speed/footwork - 3
Mental Strength - 9.2
Consistency - 1.1

flyinghippos101
05-23-2010, 06:34 PM
Oh boy, so now Nadal's backhand is better than his forehand?

Yes. :neutral:

gold soundz
05-23-2010, 06:37 PM
Federer
Forehand - 9.8
Backhand - 8.7
Serve - 9.3
Slice - 9.5
Volley - 9.5
Return - 9.1
Speed/footwork - 9.6
Mental Strength - 10
Consistency - 9.7

Nadal
Forehand - 9.6
Backhand - 9.3
Serve - 6.9
Slice - 8
Volley - 8.9
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 9.6
Mental Strength - 9.4
Consistency - 9.6

Roddick
Forehand - 8.1
Backhand - 7.7
Serve - 9.9
Slice - 7.8
Volley - 8
Return - 8
Speed/footwork - 8
Mental Strength - 8
Consistency - 9

Nalbandian
Forehand - 7.7
Backhand - 9.5
Serve - 8
Slice - 8.9
Volley - 8
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 9
Mental Strength - 8
Consistency - 7

Murray
Forehand - 7.5
Backhand - 9
Serve - 8.6
Slice - 9
Volley - 8
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 9
Consistency - 8

Gasquet
Forehand - 6.9
Backhand - 9.8
Serve - 8
Slice - 8
Volley - 8
Return - 8.5
Speed/footwork - 8.5
Mental Strength - 6.5
Consistency - 7

Gonzalez
Forehand - 9.5
Backhand - 8
Serve - 8.5
Slice - 9
Volley - 8
Return - 8.7
Speed/footwork - 8.4
Mental Strength - 8.1
Consistency - 7.8

Del Potro
Forehand - 9.5
Backhand - 9.1
Serve - 9
Slice - 8.4
Volley - 8.9
Return - 9.1
Speed/footwork - 8.9
Mental Strength - 9.5
Consistency - 8.9

Djokovic
Forehand - 9.1
Backhand - 9.1
Serve - 8.9
Slice - 9.5
Volley - 9
Return - 9.3
Speed/footwork - 9.4
Mental Strength - 8.6
Consistency - 8.4

Davydenko
Forehand - 9.2
Backhand - 9.2
Serve - 8.4
Slice - 9.1
Volley - 8.6
Return - 9.6
Speed/footwork - 9.4
Mental Strength - 7.9
Consistency - 8

Karlovic!!!
Forehand - 6
Backhand - 2.9
Serve - 10
Slice - 6
Volley - 9.7
Return - 4.5
Speed/footwork - 3
Mental Strength - 9
Consistency - 1.1

Pretty good except Murray's backhand is rated too high, Nalbandian's forehand is too low and Federer's backhand is too low...IMO.

djokovicgonzalez2010
05-23-2010, 06:39 PM
Karlovic!!!
Forehand - 3
Backhand - 0
Serve - 10
Slice - 0
Volley - 9
Return - 1
Speed/footwork - 0
Mental Strength - 9
Consistency - 9

gold soundz
05-23-2010, 06:40 PM
Karlovic!!!
Forehand - 3
Backhand - 0
Serve - 10
Slice - 0
Volley - 9
Return - 1
Speed/footwork - 0
Mental Strength - 9
Consistency - 9

Lol, now that's just a joke

ubermeyer
05-23-2010, 06:43 PM
Karlovic!!!
Forehand - 3
Backhand - 0
Serve - 10
Slice - 0
Volley - 9
Return - 1
Speed/footwork - 0
Mental Strength - 9
Consistency - 9

Um, if he had no slice, backhand, or footwork, then he wouldn't be able to move and he would never hit back anything on the backhand side. I know you were joking, but you exaggerated a bit much. Also, his consistency is terrible, he can beat the #1 one day and lose to #1001 the next.

flyinghippos101
05-23-2010, 06:47 PM
Karlovic!!!
Forehand - 3
Backhand - 0
Serve - 10
Slice - 0
Volley - 9
Return - 1
Speed/footwork - 0
Mental Strength - 9
Consistency - 9

Karlovic!!!
Forehand - 1
Backhand - 1
Serve - 10
Slice - 8
Volley - 7
Return - 1
Speed - 1
footwork - 1
Mental Strength - 1
Consistency - 9

Adjusted to reflect reality :)

gold soundz
05-23-2010, 06:48 PM
Karlovic!!!
Forehand - 0
Backhand - 0
Serve - 10000
Slice - 0
Volley - 0
Return - 0
Speed - 0
footwork - 0
Mental Strength - 0
Consistency - 0

viduka0101
05-23-2010, 06:49 PM
Karlovic
Forehand - 1
Backhand - 1
Serve - it's over 9000
Slice - 1
Volley - 1
Return - 1
Speed/footwork - 1
Mental Strength - 1
Consistency - 1

:)

viduka0101
05-23-2010, 06:50 PM
LOL gold soundz we think alike

Ultra2HolyGrail
05-23-2010, 07:08 PM
It's easier to rate based on 5 stars.

OKUSA
05-23-2010, 07:35 PM
Here's Federer (This is on current form within the last 6 months)


Forehand - 8.5
Backhand - 8
Serve - 8.5
Slice - 9
Volley - 9
Return - 8
Speed/footwork - 9
Mental Strength - 8
Consistency - 7

OKUSA
05-23-2010, 07:36 PM
Nadal

Forehand - 9.5
Backhand - 8.5
Serve - 6.5
Slice - 7
Volley - 7
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 10
Consistency - 9

gold soundz
05-23-2010, 07:43 PM
What's holding Nadal back from serving well? His serve for pro standards is terrible. He barely gets any free points apart from when he throws in the lefty sliders. Is it the fact that he's naturally right-handed?

sh@de
05-23-2010, 07:55 PM
wow,what a lame comeback line:neutral:


Wow, what a lame post...? If you fail to comprehend the meaning behind my post...
a) maybe, like Bud( who as some genius poster has previously stated, Bud is the biggest idiot around and nobody tops him) you should get a brain and b) investing in some reading comprehension and logical thinking classes may do you good.


Anyway, DG2010, there's no way Roddick's forehand is better than Nadal's... Nadal's won him 6 freakin slams! Roddick's... has won him one and got him a couple of master series...?

viduka0101
05-23-2010, 08:12 PM
Wow, what a lame post...? If you fail to comprehend the meaning behind my post...
a) maybe, like Bud( who as some genius poster has previously stated, Bud is the biggest idiot around and nobody tops him) you should get a brain and b) investing in some reading comprehension and logical thinking classes may do you good.


if I fail to comprehend the meaning behind your post
hmm...

Haha.

Hahahahahahah.

Hahahahahahahhahhahahahahahahahahhahaha!!

Go get a brain, sometime.

nope I understand it
it's a lame "George Costanza" comeback line

gold soundz
05-23-2010, 08:33 PM
if I fail to comprehend the meaning behind your post
hmm...



nope I understand it
it's a lame "George Costanza" comeback line

"Well the jerk store called and they're running out of you!" hahaha
Go GASQUET!!!

viduka0101
05-23-2010, 08:40 PM
"Well the jerk store called and they're running out of you!" hahaha
Go GASQUET!!!

exactly what I meant:)

sh@de
05-24-2010, 12:01 AM
if I fail to comprehend the meaning behind your post
hmm...



nope I understand it
it's a lame "George Costanza" comeback line

Who's George Costanza? From where I come from, nobody has even talked about him before.

Whatever, if you think it's lame, go ahead. Your opinion :)

mrgonzo
05-24-2010, 12:09 AM
Gulbis

Forehand: 8.5
Backhand: 10
Backhand slice: N/A
Serve: 9
Volleys: 7.5
Speed: 8
Touch/Hands: 9.5
Mental Strength: 5

fed_rulz
05-24-2010, 04:24 AM
I only included guys from the top 10:

Federer
Forehand - 10 (It deserves an 8 now, but if we are counting overall career, it's 10)
Backhand - 8.5 (Huge slice, great angles and passing shots, not a great rally shot)
Serve - 10 (While hasn't served that well in 2010, proven in slams that it's the serve which wins or losses him matches. Federer is the best clutch server on tour, which makes his serving the best serving, even if there are more powerful serves out there)
Slice - 10
Volley - 8
Return - 7
Speed/footwork - 9
Mental Strength - 8
Consistency - 8 (10 at slams, 6 at other events)

Nadal
Forehand - 10 (Best FH on tour today)
Backhand - 8.5 (consistent, great passing shots on the run, can't hit it DTL almost at all, slice lands short and to the middle)
Serve - 7 (consistent but very attackable)
Slice - 6
Volley - 7.5
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 9.5 (Not as fast as in 2005 but still the fastest out there)
Mental Strength - 10
Consistency - 9 (great at MS events, usually very consistent at slams as well)

Roddick
Forehand - 8 (loopy)
Backhand - 8 (underrated)
Serve - 9.5 (Roddick's serve is huge, but I think there are player who are better clutch servers and have better accuracy)
Slice - 9 (pretty good actually)
Volley - 8
Return - 7
Speed/footwork - 9 (improved over the last two years)
Mental Strength - 9.5
Consistency - 8 (pretty consistent, but where is the clay?)

Murray
Forehand - 7 (big weakness for Murray, good CC passing shots though)
Backhand - 10 (best today)
Serve - 7 (low 1st serve % most of the time)
Slice - 9
Volley - 8
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 8.5
Consistency - 8.5

Del Potro
Forehand - 10 (Best today along with Nadal's)
Backhand - 9
Serve - 9
Slice - 6
Volley - 7
Return - 8
Speed/footwork - 8
Mental Strength - 9.5
Consistency - 7 (Not in the big consistency league yet)

Djokovic
Forehand - 8 (Quite a weakness, but works well at times)
Backhand - 10 (brilliant)
Serve - 8 (good 1st serve, but too many DFs at the wrong moments)
Slice - 6 (awful)
Volley - 8
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 8.5
Consistency - 7.5

Davydenko
Forehand - 8.5
Backhand - 10 (along with Djoko and Murray, the best out there today)
Serve - 8.5
Slice - 7
Volley - 7.5 (good drop volleys, not much else)
Return - 9.5 (excellent)
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 8 (lets him down in the slams)
Consistency - 8.5


Djokovic and roddick with more mental strength than Federer? :confused:

what exactly is your definition of mental strength? Federer is definitely 9.5+...

callmethedoctor
05-24-2010, 03:16 PM
Federer
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 8.5
Serve - 9
Slice - 10
Volley - 8.5
Return - 8
Speed/footwork - 9
Mental Strength - 8
Consistency - 9

Nadal
Forehand - 9.5
Backhand - 8.5
Serve - 7
Slice - 6.5
Volley - 8.5
Return - 8.5
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 9.5
Consistency - 9

Djokovic
Forehand - 8.5
Backhand - 9
Serve - 9
Slice - 7
Volley - 8.5
Return - 8.5
Speed/footwork - 9
Mental Strength - 7
Consistency - 8.5

Murray
Forehand - 7
Backhand - 9.5
Serve - 8
Slice - 8.5
Volley - 9
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental Strength - 8.5
Consistency - 8.5

Del Potro
Forehand - 10
Backhand - 8.5
Serve - 9
Slice - 6.5
Volley - 7
Return - 8
Speed/footwork - 8
Mental Strength - 9.5
Consistency - 8

Davydenko
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 9.5
Serve - 8
Slice - 7.5
Volley - 7
Return - 9
Speed/footwork - 8.5
Mental Strength - 8
Consistency - 8.5

Soderling
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 10
Serve - 9
Slice - 8
Volley - 8
Return - 8.5
Speed/Footwork - 8.5
Mental Strength - 8.5
Consistency - 8

Roddick
Forehand - 8.5
Backhand - 8
Serve - 9.5
Slice - 9
Volley - 8
Return - 7
Speed/footwork - 8.5
Mental Strength - 9.5
Consistency - 8

Tsonga
Forehand - 9.5
Backhand - 8
Serve - 8.5
Slice - 9
Volley - 9.5
Return - 8
Speed/footwork - 7.5
Mental Strength - 8.5
Consistency - 8.5

vbranis
05-24-2010, 04:20 PM
Santoro
Forehand - 4
Backhand - 6
Serve - 6
Slice - 10
Volley - 9
Return - 7
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental strength - 9
Consistency - 8

Isner
Forehand - 7
Backhand - 5
Serve - 10
Slice - 3
Volley - 7
Return - 4
Speed/footwork - 3
Mental strength - 8
Consistency - 7

Phau
Forehand - 5
Backhand - 6
Serve - 5
Slice - 7
Volley - 6
Return - 7
Speed/footwork - 10+
Mental strength - 7.5
Consistency - 6

Coria
Forehand - 7
Backhand - 8.5
Serve - 3
Slice - 6
Volley - 5
Return - 8.5
Speed/footwork - 9.5
Mental strength - 4
Consistency - 5

El Aynaoui
Forehand - 8.5
Backhand - 3
Serve - 9
Slice - 7
Volley - 8
Return - 7
Speed/footwork - 7.5
Mental strength - 7
Consistency - 4

Sampras
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 7
Serve - 9.5
Slice - 8.5
Volley - 9.5
Return - 7
Speed/footwork - 8.5
Mental strength - 9
Consistency - 9

D.Young
Forehand - 6.5
Backhand - 7
Serve - 6.5
Slice - 7
Volley - 7.5
Return - 7
Speed/footwork - 8
Mental strength - 4
Consistency - 5

OKUSA
05-24-2010, 04:23 PM
Roddick
Forehand - 8.5
Backhand - 7.5
Serve - 10
Slice - 8.5
Volley - 8
Return - 6
Speed/footwork - 8
Mental Strength - 9.5
Consistency - 7.5

piece
05-24-2010, 06:43 PM
Lol no, I disagreed with a lot of it but that one just stood out.

How about soderling with a better backhand than nalbandian???

P_Agony
05-25-2010, 02:50 AM
if it's still a challenge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8-oH1YM110
at 1:05

now we could play this stupid game all night long believe me

That was a great drop volley, I'll give you that. But here's another challenge, find me a video of Nadal hitting a half volley as well as in the Federer video I posted.

P_Agony
05-25-2010, 02:54 AM
Djokovic and roddick with more mental strength than Federer? :confused:

what exactly is your definition of mental strength? Federer is definitely 9.5+...

Typo, I meant 9. Federer gets a 9 in the mental department since he's very strong yet against some players he just fades away, plus he used to have the ability to pick up his game when playing badly and steal the win. Lately, he seems to have lost that ability.

gold soundz
05-25-2010, 02:56 AM
Typo, I meant 9. Federer gets a 9 in the mental department since he's very strong yet against some players he just fades away, plus he used to have the ability to pick up his game when playing badly and steal the win. Lately, he seems to have lost that ability.

He just doesn't care anywhere near as much in non-slams as he does in slams. If he wanted to he could, but it would probably be way too much and would drain him if he played every tournament like he does in slams.

P_Agony
05-25-2010, 03:01 AM
He just doesn't care anywhere near as much in non-slams as he does in slams. If he wanted to he could, but it would probably be way too much and would drain him if he played every tournament like he does in slams.

Maybe, but the fact remains, even at slams against Nadal he fades away when it matters. In the USO against DP he faded away. Both times he stopped playing in the 5th set and entered unforced-error mode. However, at AO 2010 Fed proved that the clutch server in him is back, which is why he got a 10 in the serve separtment from me. Last year at RG he served 4 aces in the 2nd set TB against Soderling, never letting Robin get even a look at the ball. If Fed can do that again this year, he'll be 9.5 or even 10 mentally. But right now, it's hard to give him more than a 9 given all his failures against Baggy, Berdych, and Gulbis (in all I think he had MPs).

Roddick is only weak mentally against Fed. Otherwise he has a great fighting spirit and usually doesn't choke. His tennis abilities are more limited than Fed's or Nadal's, which is why he's ranked lower.

gold soundz
05-25-2010, 03:04 AM
Maybe, but the fact remains, even at slams against Nadal he fades away when it matters. In the USO against DP he faded away. Both times he stopped playing in the 5th set and entered unforced-error mode. However, at AO 2010 Fed proved that the clutch server in him is back, which is why he got a 10 in the serve separtment from me. Last year at RG he served 4 aces in the 2nd set TB against Soderling, never letting Robin get even a look at the ball. If Fed can do that again this year, he'll be 9.5 or even 10 mentally. But right now, it's hard to give him more than a 9 given all his failures against Baggy, Berdych, and Gulbis (in all I think he had MPs).

Roddick is only weak mentally against Fed. Otherwise he has a great fighting spirit and usually doesn't choke. His tennis abilities are more limited than Fed's or Nadal's, which is why he's ranked lower.
Federer faded away in the 5th set against Del Potro maybe, but overall Del Potty simply outplayed him IMO.

P_Agony
05-25-2010, 04:27 AM
Federer faded away in the 5th set against Del Potro maybe, but overall Del Potty simply outplayed him IMO.

I agree, but Fed should have never lost that 2nd set. And against Nadal at the AO I think Fed clearly outplayed Nadal in the first four sets, and faded awawy mentally in the 5th. That match should have never gone to a 5th, I think Fed should have own it in straights or maybe 4.

gold soundz
05-25-2010, 04:29 AM
I agree, but Fed should have never lost that 2nd set. And against Nadal at the AO I think Fed clearly outplayed Nadal in the first four sets, and faded awawy mentally in the 5th. That match should have never gone to a 5th, I think Fed should have own it in straights or maybe 4.

True about the AO final 2009. Tennis is hugely a mental game as well as physical.

viduka0101
05-25-2010, 05:28 AM
I agree, but Fed should have never lost that 2nd set. And against Nadal at the AO I think Fed clearly outplayed Nadal in the first four sets, and faded awawy mentally in the 5th. That match should have never gone to a 5th, I think Fed should have own it in straights or maybe 4.

that's absurd, if he outplayed him he would have won
I agree about the 5th set though

sh@de
05-25-2010, 05:50 AM
that's absurd, if he outplayed him he would have won
I agree about the 5th set though

P_Agony said "in the first four sets". Which is why the sets Fed won, he won by a bigger margin than when Nadal won his sets.

D'oh.