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The Pure One
05-22-2010, 09:20 PM
Today I went to the see Agassi Farewell Tour. AA played Pete Sampras and lost 3-6, 6-3, 4-6. Very nice game. Pete service was incredible as always.

To my surprise, Sampras was not playing with his Wilson K Factor KPro Staff 88. He was playing with the Babolat Pure Storm Tour GT or the Babolat Pure Storm Ltd. GT. I really cannot see which one since I was not seated near. When the game ended Sampras made a clear statement about his new racquet: more power! The strings were kind of black. Do not know if he stayed with Lux/VS Gut combo or went full poly with the new RPM Blast. Here are some pics. In a few days I’m going to get some more. Enjoy!



http://i49.tinypic.com/vo5q4i.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/11w8rk3.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/672uzc.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/111neyo.jpg

Doubles
05-22-2010, 09:24 PM
This is new. Then again, he never had a lifetime contract with Wilson...

OliverSimon
05-22-2010, 09:36 PM
Wow weird switch. I guess he liked Roddick's pure drive. Is he using the pure storm?

norbac
05-22-2010, 09:41 PM
Yeah, I just came back from the match too. It was good fun. Pete's game in general was great and I was especially impressed with his net game, still very good.

Was just about to start a thread on the racket switch, guess I got beat...

leonidas1982
05-22-2010, 09:44 PM
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100523/capt.85542bfa306e42ba989736c8b16ec881-85542bfa306e42ba989736c8b16ec881-0.jpg?x=260&y=345&q=85&sig=tfoKmZ.bZlR_RcE5AQAabA--

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100523/capt.a87e125960a94387a74526ed63a6ea42-a87e125960a94387a74526ed63a6ea42-0.jpg?x=283&y=345&q=85&sig=l7ZoGvoYrk3x7xaAyKC5yA--

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100523/capt.73d97488f1884adfaefec49b4050857d-73d97488f1884adfaefec49b4050857d-0.jpg?x=261&y=345&q=85&sig=.cMfrIqI_QwTeBDOknZN1g--

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100523/capt.81271afd66ee4c78b766e3b295981c53-81271afd66ee4c78b766e3b295981c53-0.jpg?x=400&y=297&q=85&sig=qxJEQWwqJ5xhcandREliZQ--

Babolast
05-22-2010, 09:57 PM
Well this is a surprise.

cy1126dragonamul
05-22-2010, 10:02 PM
it kind of looks like his prostaff 88 painted like pure storm....
but I don't see any pws and the frame looks thicker than his previous prostaff....
so my guess is that pete's finally changed his racket....

hondas2k
05-22-2010, 10:07 PM
its PST GT. im a bit surprised. i thought he went to Pure Drive.

TennisandMusic
05-22-2010, 10:57 PM
Wow, this appears to be an actual switch. I actually think this is awesome. So many of the Wilson diehards swear by the fact that Babolats are cheap crap, then you have one of the best players of all time (who was basically the face of the PS85 by and large) going from a custom-designed-for-him Wilson, to what appears to be a stock (but surely modified) Babolat.

As I always like to say, results matter! Babolats are great racquets.

hondas2k
05-22-2010, 11:26 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/photo?slug=puerto_rico_agassi_sampras_tennis

grimmbomb21
05-22-2010, 11:26 PM
Lines starting for the Babolat bandwagon. Check your kps88 at the door please.

jk :p

PeterFig
05-22-2010, 11:32 PM
Anyone able to tell if it's the Ltd version?

kimbahpnam
05-22-2010, 11:34 PM
man..i wonder how much lead tape is loaded up on the racquet! his serve just got a bit faster too

Fee
05-22-2010, 11:34 PM
I asked Justin to confirm this (he's sponsored by Babolat and he hits with Pete a lot) and he said 'Yep!'. No details on the model or anything like that.

I wonder if this whole conversation started when Andy, Pete and Justin were all in Atlantic City for that exo in April.

PeterFig
05-22-2010, 11:37 PM
I think from the photo of Sampras and Andre at the net I am able to count a 16x20 string pattern - which assuming he's using a standard mold that would make it the larger 98sq in version of the Pure Strom Tour - not the Ltd (which is a 18x20)

TennisandMusic
05-22-2010, 11:41 PM
I think from the photo of Sampras and Andre at the net I am able to count a 16x20 string pattern - which assuming he's using a standard mold that would make it the larger 98sq in version of the Pure Strom Tour - not the Ltd (which is a 18x20)

Yeah, I think you're right. Looks like a PSTGT. Also, the paint looks kinda shiny, not matte, which would also indicate this racquet.

WhiteStripes
05-22-2010, 11:50 PM
It's definitely the Tour, not the Limited -- at least in terms of paintjob. You can tell by the color at the bottom hoop of the head. On the regular Storm and the LTD models, the color is black. On the Tour/Tour +, the color is grey.

Ultra2HolyGrail
05-23-2010, 12:08 AM
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100523/capt.81271afd66ee4c78b766e3b295981c53-81271afd66ee4c78b766e3b295981c53-0.jpg

http://l.yimg.com/go/news/picture/2010/g1/20100523/20100523133140460g1_134738_0.jpg

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100523/capt.e8d744b0a1fe4db1898588674a77cea9-e8d744b0a1fe4db1898588674a77cea9-0.jpg


http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100523/capt.a87e125960a94387a74526ed63a6ea42-a87e125960a94387a74526ed63a6ea42-0.jpg

baseline_monster
05-23-2010, 02:57 AM
THIS IS AWESOME!!!! This would be massive for Babolat. I use the storm tour gts, great sticks, bet his will be rock solid

forthegame
05-23-2010, 03:04 AM
There was a similar thread not too long ago when he used Roddick's racquet during an EXHO.

However, this is a surprise, playing a whole match with a Babolat. How did Wilson let that happen?

Kids may flock to Babolat as this is sort of an endorsement! "Uh-oh" by Wilson, IMHO!

ilikepigs
05-23-2010, 03:50 AM
hey can someone help a fellow PeteTard out? i've never really gotten involved in babolats...

is this the one we think pete is using? http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Babolat_Pure_Storm_Tour_GT/descpageRCBAB-BPSTGT.html

*takes out credit card and awaits answer*

big bang
05-23-2010, 03:56 AM
Oh Pete you naughty boy! bet he sold his soul to the devil too:)

Gaab
05-23-2010, 04:24 AM
hey can someone help a fellow PeteTard out? i've never really gotten involved in babolats...

is this the one we think pete is using? http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Babolat_Pure_Storm_Tour_GT/descpageRCBAB-BPSTGT.html

*takes out credit card and awaits answer*
Yes, it is basically this one ;)

Pocky
05-23-2010, 04:46 AM
Anyone able to tell if it's the Ltd version?

it has a glossy finish; no way to be ltd.

baseline_monster
05-23-2010, 04:48 AM
Nothing about it says its the LTD version, the string pattern is different and he has no reason to use a PJ. Its a regular storm tour, hopefully he will endorse the brand.

jimbo333
05-23-2010, 05:38 AM
There was a similar thread not too long ago when he used Roddick's racquet during an EXHO.

However, this is a surprise, playing a whole match with a Babolat. How did Wilson let that happen?

Kids may flock to Babolat as this is sort of an endorsement! "Uh-oh" by Wilson, IMHO!

No, the kids won't flock to Babolat, but the 30 year olds might:-?

More interestingly how did Pete and Andre get on?

Any bad jokes or dangerous head serving:)

1540tennis
05-23-2010, 06:02 AM
I have to say that I never saw this coming! As a Babolat player I am happy to see this, but it is also oddly unsettling to me as a Sampras fan...

jimbo333
05-23-2010, 06:05 AM
^^^^Let's face it, Pete is getting on a bit now, and probably needs the extra power LOL:)

1540tennis
05-23-2010, 06:22 AM
^^^^Let's face it, Pete is getting on a bit now, and probably needs the extra power LOL:)

And a bigger head size too apparently...

Clay lover
05-23-2010, 06:32 AM
Pete will make a comeback into the ATP and reclaim his GOAT title with a larger head.

ChopShot
05-23-2010, 06:39 AM
Pete will make a comeback into the ATP and reclaim his GOAT title with a larger head.

The frightening things is, with the way his serve and overall game still looks, I wouldn't be surprised if he could still be top 100 with some physical conditioning. He'd probably still be a monster on grass and fast HC. I think the Exo he won against Fed in Macau, 2007, said a lot. Given, Fed was playing at 70-80%, but even when Fed plays at 70-80%, he beats up on 95% of the ATP tour.
Hell, if Kimiko Date-Krumm can win tournaments at 40, and Navratilova stayed competitive in top doubles till 50+, Pete might still have at shot at some 250's.

Dave M
05-23-2010, 06:49 AM
Pete's had contact with babolat through his whole career though,he was one of the few who didn't hav to pay for their strings so I suppose it makes a more logical switch then many would imagine.

Dream_On
05-23-2010, 06:55 AM
Pete should come back and play some atp doubles

THESEXPISTOL
05-23-2010, 06:56 AM
Pete got a better deal with babolat and decided to switch.
I think that at this stage of his carrer the TW posters care more about what Pete uses than even himself. He isn't playing at professional competition level anymore.

Azzurri
05-23-2010, 07:30 AM
seems as if Pete is more on these boards than we think..he is starting to be a GEARHEAD. Think about it, this is the 4th racquet he has used since he retired. He used the PS 85 from 86(ish) to 2002. Poor Pete, now he is racquet limbo like the rest of us shlubs. Next EXO he will be playing the Prestige Mid.

Spin-A-Lot
05-23-2010, 07:33 AM
seems as if Pete is more on these boards than we think..he is starting to be a GEARHEAD. Think about it, this is the 4th racquet he has used since he retired. He used the PS 85 from 86(ish) to 2002. Poor Pete, now he is racquet limbo like the rest of us shlubs. Next EXO he will be playing the Prestige Mid.

Pete with a Prestige...now that I'd love to see :)

skyzoo
05-23-2010, 08:06 AM
This is a real surprise

slice bh compliment
05-23-2010, 08:25 AM
Great stuff. Surprising he went all the way to a 98 head instead of a PS Ltd or a Dunlop 200 tour.

It's funny, when I got my first Babolat PS Ltd, I felt it was a better, more comfortable version of the Original Pro Staff. I just assumed it would sell like hotcakes to advanced players in their 30s and up (not just me and a handful of others). Now, it will, all of a sudden.

It does look like Pete's using a PS Tour, given the string pattern and the glossy finish (the Limited is more matte, and is more narrow in the upper hoop like a PUMA Becker).

Well, I wonder what's up with the lifetime Wilson deal.
It would be funny to see Pete use an AeroStorm Tour with the Rafa-esque paintjob....carrying a bright yellow bag, whipping that eastern gripped forehand!

Allez/Vamos Pete!

Ansh_vamos
05-23-2010, 08:29 AM
This is blasphemy and i love every bit of it...i was going through the entire thread and would like to ask the same question " How could Wilson let that happen?"..maybe Wilson is too happy just having Federer..Pete has been an all time favourite and he was the primary reason i started playing with Wilsons.. am glad that he moved to Babolat coz i shifted to Babolat a couple of months back am also sad that He didnot pick the AeroPro series(i use aeropro drive cortex)..but then he is THE Pete Sampras..The man who did it all and its a High 5 for Babolat..


Today I went to the see Agassi Farewell Tour. AA played Pete Sampras and lost 3-6, 6-3, 4-6. Very nice game. Pete service was incredible as always.

To my surprise, Sampras was not playing with his Wilson K Factor KPro Staff 88. He was playing with the Babolat Pure Storm Tour GT or the Babolat Pure Storm Ltd. GT. I really cannot see which one since I was not seated near. When the game ended Sampras made a clear statement about his new racquet: more power! The strings were kind of black. Do not know if he stayed with Lux/VS Gut combo or went full poly with the new RPM Blast. Here are some pics. In a few days Iím going to get some more. Enjoy!



http://i49.tinypic.com/vo5q4i.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/11w8rk3.jpg

slice bh compliment
05-23-2010, 08:32 AM
I feel for Wilson...with their whole pseudo-purist Pro Staff - advanced player ethos.

But yeah, high five to Babolat.
I think it would be even funnier if Pete gave away his Nikes and put on a pair of Propulses, LOL.

baseline_monster
05-23-2010, 08:36 AM
Pete got a better deal with babolat and decided to switch.
I think that at this stage of his carrer the TW posters care more about what Pete uses than even himself. He isn't playing at professional competition level anymore.

Probably the most accurate view tbh. Everyone on here is just saying he should do this and he should do that. The guy knows better than anyone of us what is best for him. Fair play to the guy.

PeterFig
05-23-2010, 10:57 AM
And all of a sudden you'll see:

- even more K88's going for sale in the TW Classifieds
- a lot of "is this frame still for sale?" responses to PST GT for sale posts

:)

TennisandMusic
05-23-2010, 12:20 PM
I really wonder what certain posters on this board think about this. Pete Sampras, all time great, with completely classic strokes playing with a 98" babolat in his 30's.

We have guys older than that here that SWEAR by mid's. Guys who couldn't even tie his shoes (this is what we call a euphemism here) in any aspect of the game, basically saying they NEED a 90 (or less). What now? Not that I criticize people for their choices, I just find certain things funny.

slice bh compliment
05-23-2010, 12:24 PM
Pete got a better deal with babolat and decided to switch.
I think that at this stage of his carrer the TW posters care more about what Pete uses than even himself. ....

I don't think it'$ about the deal. I think it's more about the feel.

LOL, nailed it!

grimmbomb21
05-23-2010, 12:34 PM
And all of a sudden you'll see:

- even more K88's going for sale in the TW Classifieds
- a lot of "is this frame still for sale?" responses to PST GT for sale posts

:)

I thought the same thing when I read about this. "My kps88's are getting a little bit demanding for me." Then ask a leading question with the inevitable answer being "Try the x racquet, x racquet, or the Pure Storm Tour." (3 days later) "I tried the PST and it's the best blah blah blah". It's always the same pattern. Maybe it won't be as funny as the "I use a Kblade Tour and was wondering if the Head Speed MP would be a good upgrade", but funny nontheless.:)

Gaab
05-23-2010, 12:45 PM
... and all of a sudden the price of the Bab PST skyrockets to $179. It was around $129 when I ckecked three or four weeks ago.

TennisandMusic
05-23-2010, 12:46 PM
... and all of a sudden the price of the Bab PST skyrockets to $179. It was around $129 when I ckecked three or four weeks ago.

The PSTGT? No, it wasn't.

caesar66
05-23-2010, 12:52 PM
might have already been posted-a few looks at sampras hitting with the babolat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pxIQ3cMtSA

Gaab
05-23-2010, 12:53 PM
I'm fairly certain it was, but I could be mistaken. I checked the specs and price of the frame (normal and + version) when Giraldo beat Ferrero in Barcelone, iirc.

TennisandMusic
05-23-2010, 12:54 PM
I'm fairly certain it was, but I could be mistaken.

No, the PSTGT (which is what Sampras is using) has not been marked down to 129 in recent weeks. Perhaps you saw the previous version marked down.

Texastennis
05-23-2010, 01:20 PM
Wilson aren't doing a good job of holding on to these legacy players - Graf also switched (to Head).

Gorecki
05-23-2010, 01:21 PM
I really wonder what certain posters on this board think about this. Pete Sampras, all time great, with completely classic strokes playing with a 98" babolat in his 30's.

We have guys older than that here that SWEAR by mid's. Guys who couldn't even tie his shoes (this is what we call a euphemism here) in any aspect of the game, basically saying they NEED a 90 (or less). What now? Not that I criticize people for their choices, I just find certain things funny.

not that this whole post is less pretentious than those who claim to "need" mid frames...

but hey... judgemental is as judgemental sees!

I just find certain things funny

Nanshiki
05-23-2010, 01:32 PM
Notice the frame is still heavily leaded up... probably a custom handle too.

hoosierbr
05-23-2010, 01:51 PM
Someone put some clips up from the match. Here's a look at the new racquet in case there was any lingering doubt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pxIQ3cMtSA

baseline_monster
05-23-2010, 02:12 PM
At the end of the day the PSTGT is a proper players stick. I have mine with leather grips and that bit of weight is felt, there not a girls stick. If the guy feels good with it, its not about money, he;s doing whats right for him and not one person on here knows better than him. Its a joke when idiots say his game will suffer, what the hell do you know that one of the best players in the open era does not!?

slice bh compliment
05-23-2010, 02:31 PM
Wilson aren't doing a good job of holding on to these legacy players - Graf also switched (to Head).

Good point. Must not matter much to Wilson. ANyway, in my mind I think Graf, I think Dunlop Max 200g....not that weak 7.5 Wilson.

By the way, I'm sure Wilson does makes perfectly reasonable frames aimed at the aging elite player: theK-blade tour, 6.1 95..KPS88, whatever....something custom for Pete.... but they all do not feel as good as the heavier Storm series frames: AST, PST and PSLtd. Nice combination of classic specs, maneuverability, control and power. They take powerful sticks and make them feel good. I used to make fun of the Woofer system, but there's probably something to it.

Allez Pete!

dincuss
05-23-2010, 05:24 PM
Personally if I was Pete's age, I wouldn't want to be using a KPS88, I'd rather go for something lighter and easier to use.....

Fedaver
05-23-2010, 05:25 PM
I bet Pete is using a VS gut 17 (mains) and RPM blast 17 (crosses) comfort hybrid combo at 73-75 lbs. in his new Babolats. Last I checked he used a VS gut 17 (mains) and Luxilon Rough 16L (crosses) combo in a comfort hybrid at 73 lbs. in his K prostaffs. This sudden switch in frames is a total shocker!

Ultra2HolyGrail
05-23-2010, 05:36 PM
I really wonder what certain posters on this board think about this. Pete Sampras, all time great, with completely classic strokes playing with a 98" babolat in his 30's.


He's retired from the pro tour. He won ALL of his majors with a 85in racquet. It's pure speculation that he would of been just as good with a babolat. Don't forget federer still uses a 90in.

We have guys older than that here that SWEAR by mid's. Guys who couldn't even tie his shoes (this is what we call a euphemism here) in any aspect of the game, basically saying they NEED a 90 (or less). What now?

Time to dump those antiques :)

Fedaver
05-23-2010, 05:56 PM
Federer would be better on the backhand side with a larger frame, he might still use a 90 sq. inch but it affects him on high balls, especially on clay! He shanks it several times off the backhand whenever he plays on clay. He'd be better off using 95 sq. inch frame like the Prostaff 6.0 95!

marosmith
05-23-2010, 05:58 PM
I am sure it is customized to the exact same swingweight as his old stick, and the same stringbed stiffness he was using as well. Just more headsize and power. I don't think he'll ever use a Head because he is accustomed to stiff frames.

marosmith
05-23-2010, 05:59 PM
Federer would be better on the backhand side with a larger frame, he might still use a 90 sq. inch but it affects him on high balls, especially on clay! He shanks it several times off the backhand whenever he plays on clay. He'd be better off using 95 sq. inch frame like the Prostaff 6.0 95!

I dissagree, I think the small headsize is easier on the bh.

Nanshiki
05-23-2010, 06:04 PM
Federer is 28. Sampras is almost 39. If it wasn't for the desire for more power, Sampras probably would have stayed with the KPS88.

marosmith
05-23-2010, 06:10 PM
Federer is 28. Sampras is almost 39. If it wasn't for the desire for more power, Sampras probably would have stayed with the KPS88.

I think it is more about experimentation with feel and increased forgiveness then power.

jcstennis
05-23-2010, 06:18 PM
man oh man!... those pics/vids of pete... too weird!

i'm a year younger than pete and have watched him for over 20 years with a Wilson. looks so strange... imagine Jordan wearing adidas.

still as weird as it looks, maybe we could see a new "pete" racquet developing in the near future? interesting

Ultra2HolyGrail
05-23-2010, 06:19 PM
Nobody knows why he switched and nobody should really care unless it affects there choice in racquet they play with. It's downright silly to play with a racquet because your favorite pro plays with one. People should use what they play best with. I've used widebodys like the wilson profile and i didn't care what anyone thought.

The only people that are affected by this are the ones who choose to play what there favorite pro plays and are devastated, and feel betrayed by sampras's choice in not just a different racquet, but a Babolat. :shock:

slice bh compliment
05-23-2010, 07:45 PM
Truth^

I'd laugh so hard if for whatever reason Roddick and Rafa switched back to Prince(ss).

ClubHoUno
05-23-2010, 08:14 PM
This is freakin' AMESOME !!!!!!

Pete playing with a customized version of my favorite frame for the last 2 years......that guy knows what he needs at his tender age :twisted:

The Pure Storm Tour GT is an awesome players racquet - great control, great power, great feel and nice touch :D

Once again I play with the same racquet as Pistol Pete :-P

Babolat here we come !!!!!!!!

logicflawed
05-23-2010, 08:28 PM
even pete's joined the babolat alliance! good to see, i've played babs for the last 8 years and love them!

SFrazeur
05-23-2010, 08:50 PM
I can see a KPS 88 user liking the PST. The muted plush feel of the KPS 88 reminded me of the PST I hit with before.

-SF

Ultra2HolyGrail
05-23-2010, 09:05 PM
even pete's joined the babolat alliance!




http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/6236/yuim.jpg

logicflawed
05-23-2010, 09:30 PM
well done holygrail! :)

BobFL
05-23-2010, 09:36 PM
I like this photo! Lacoste and Babolat :) It must be Roddick's bad influence ;)

cy1126dragonamul
05-24-2010, 06:21 AM
anyone here, whoever's a big sampras fan, currently using
k prostaff 88, planning on changing to BABOLAT pure storm tour?

just wondering....

Jimmilson
05-24-2010, 06:21 AM
I dissagree, I think the small headsize is easier on the bh.

I completely agree with you. I moved from an Babolat Aero Pro Drive Cortex to the Wilson Six One Tour BLX and it vastly improved my backhand. It just felt like my swing was so much smoother. If I find that I middle the ball enough to handle a Six One Tour then I don't think Federer would find any benefits in a larger head size.

mawashi
05-24-2010, 07:46 AM
Doesn't really surprise me cus Chang, Kafelnikov n quite a few other champions have changed to babs already so why not the king himself : )

VGP
05-24-2010, 10:46 AM
Sampras did say when he started back playing that he needed to use an "old man's" racket. Now that he's even older.....

I'm a self-admitted Wilson mid user. I think if I were to switch frames I was quite tempted by the Babolat APD. But, since I've been getting my favorite frames for $25-$40 each on the used market, it doesn't make much financial sense right now......

tacoben
05-24-2010, 11:56 AM
Just a side note and not to derail the thread. The pictures shows Agassi and Sampras shaking hands after the match and appear to have reconciled after the Hit for Haiti incident? What's the scoop?

Fee
05-24-2010, 12:04 PM
Just a side note and not to derail the thread. The pictures shows Agassi and Sampras shaking hands after the match and appear to have reconciled after the Hit for Haiti incident? What's the scoop?

Pete did a radio interview with Justin a few weeks ago, said it was all water under the bridge. I put the podcast links in the former pro player section, in the thread about the May 22 exo match.

leonidas1982
05-24-2010, 01:13 PM
And Sampras won in 3 sets.

mtommer
05-24-2010, 01:28 PM
Wilson aren't doing a good job of holding on to these legacy players - Graf also switched (to Head).

My guess is that the legacy players aren't driving sales at any appreciable level. Contracts run out and they received no returns on investment so could probably care less about "losing" the legacy players. Most likely it was an amicable split. I really don't see this as being any different than when Chang took up Babalot. If Federer changed then THAT would be significant for the mfg's.

Marcus
05-24-2010, 01:49 PM
So father time finally caught up with Pistol Pete !! Every PS 85/88 user has to one day accept he's not got the footwork and the strokes to hit out with a mid anymore..... lol

salsainglesa
05-24-2010, 03:13 PM
Are his serves in the 170 mph range now?

spindoctor673
05-24-2010, 03:19 PM
Wow...didn't think i'd see the day when Pete stepped outside Wilson.

Rockitdog
05-24-2010, 04:33 PM
I stayed away from this thread thinking it was some kind of a joke and all I can say is wow... just wow!

teto29
05-24-2010, 05:52 PM
wow.... something im sure no one saw coming

hoosierbr
05-24-2010, 06:35 PM
Given that Sampras is playing a lot more now between the senior events and exhibitions it's not a big surprise that he wants a more powerful racquet. However, I am suprised he didn't go with something in the Wilson line.

I myself was a bit of a Babolat snob until very recently when I play tested the new Pure Drive GT for a week. It's one of the racquets I'm contemplating switching to.

Cup8489
05-24-2010, 07:35 PM
Given that Sampras is playing a lot more now between the senior events and exhibitions it's not a big surprise that he wants a more powerful racquet. However, I am suprised he didn't go with something in the Wilson line.

I myself was a bit of a Babolat snob until very recently when I play tested the new Pure Drive GT for a week. It's one of the racquets I'm contemplating switching to.

i doubt power is the issue, but rather forgiveness and comfort. He will never be lacking for power.

hoosierbr
05-24-2010, 08:08 PM
i doubt power is the issue, but rather forgiveness and comfort. He will never be lacking for power.

That's true but not sure that Babolat would be the right choice if comfort and forgiveness is all he's looking for. If it were then are several Wilsons he could have moved up to, the K90 or even a 95.

leonidas1982
05-24-2010, 08:17 PM
According to TW's power map, KPS88 has more power than PST GT.

http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/cgi-bin/storepower2.cgi?racquetA=KPS88|88|Wilson|KPro:Staf f:88|RCWILSON|x&racquetB=BPSTGT|98|Babolat|Pure:Storm:Tour:GT:2009 |RCBAB|x&racquetC=61TBLX|90|Wilson|BLX:Six-One:Tour:|RCWILSON|x&racquetD=K61T90|90|Wilson|KSix-One:Tour:90|RCWILSON|

hoosierbr
05-24-2010, 08:20 PM
According to TW's power map, KPS88 has more power than PST GT.

http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/cgi-bin/storepower2.cgi?racquetA=KPS88|88|Wilson|KPro:Staf f:88|RCWILSON|x&racquetB=BPSTGT|98|Babolat|Pure:Storm:Tour:GT:2009 |RCBAB|x&racquetC=61TBLX|90|Wilson|BLX:Six-One:Tour:|RCWILSON|x&racquetD=K61T90|90|Wilson|KSix-One:Tour:90|RCWILSON|

Because of the weight I'm sure. Lot more than the PS GT. I have no idea how heavily customized Sampras' Babolat is but I wouldn't be shocked if it's lighter, maybe not a ton but a little. That combined with the bigger headsize might have been what he was looking for. But I don't think anyone really knows why he suddenly switched.

leonidas1982
05-24-2010, 08:52 PM
Kudos to Sampras. My assumption is that Sampras got tired of Wilson's games and lack of respect.

RalphNYC
05-24-2010, 08:58 PM
Who's Pete Sampras?

pug
05-25-2010, 07:02 AM
A sad day for Wilson, they may regret this. Good for Babolat, I hope they take the opportunity to get Pete onboard and push out a ltd edition Sampras stick!

Rockitdog
05-25-2010, 07:26 AM
Who's Pete Sampras?

Oh kids these days...

Spin-A-Lot
05-25-2010, 08:37 AM
Who's Pete Sampras?

I think this question goes with "What's a Babolat?" ;)

marosmith
05-25-2010, 09:17 PM
A sad day for Wilson, they may regret this. Good for Babolat, I hope they take the opportunity to get Pete onboard and push out a ltd edition Sampras stick!

Yeah, maybe they make a limited edition stick that doesn't suck like the rest of their line lol...

rommil
05-25-2010, 09:22 PM
This is new. Then again, he never had a lifetime contract with Wilson...

The racket company or his wife?

rommil
05-25-2010, 09:23 PM
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100523/capt.85542bfa306e42ba989736c8b16ec881-85542bfa306e42ba989736c8b16ec881-0.jpg?x=260&y=345&q=85&sig=tfoKmZ.bZlR_RcE5AQAabA--

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100523/capt.a87e125960a94387a74526ed63a6ea42-a87e125960a94387a74526ed63a6ea42-0.jpg?x=283&y=345&q=85&sig=l7ZoGvoYrk3x7xaAyKC5yA--

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100523/capt.73d97488f1884adfaefec49b4050857d-73d97488f1884adfaefec49b4050857d-0.jpg?x=261&y=345&q=85&sig=.cMfrIqI_QwTeBDOknZN1g--

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100523/capt.81271afd66ee4c78b766e3b295981c53-81271afd66ee4c78b766e3b295981c53-0.jpg?x=400&y=297&q=85&sig=qxJEQWwqJ5xhcandREliZQ--

This is just a simple case of the Babolat stringer doing work on his Wilson racket and got carried away with the stencil.

Tofuspeedstar
05-26-2010, 04:32 PM
Damn, that's pretty interesting! Pete wants to set the serve record or something?

Rabbit
05-26-2010, 05:14 PM
It's simple really. Not even Sampras could play with that log Wilson made. ;)

Really, it's surprising, but Sampras got more from Babolat than Wilson in his heyday. From what I understand, Sampras got $0 for using the ProStaff. Babolat gave him free gut, I'm not sure about the $'s accompanying but the way he went through gut it wouldn't surprise me if he just got free gut.

roundiesee
05-26-2010, 10:28 PM
I've heard that Pete would have the Gut in all his rackets cut and then re-strung with fresh Gut before every match, even if he had not used them at all for practice. Wonder how much Gut he actually used in his active playing days (in dollar terms I mean)

pug
05-27-2010, 06:27 AM
Yeah, maybe they make a limited edition stick that doesn't suck like the rest of their line lol...

Haters make baby jesus cry......

proracketeer
05-27-2010, 06:52 AM
I've heard that Pete would have the Gut in all his rackets cut and then re-strung with fresh Gut before every match, even if he had not used them at all for practice. Wonder how much Gut he actually used in his active playing days (in dollar terms I mean)

https://busvlg.blu.livefilestore.com/y1m94eSadnLEWYbl5jE4SzBuJVGKe7Jg4Uzwbs8MVJAdiotGTm nRFpJkSKl22DYtRCz3U5TbTDEnk7YbLZYT0zHhwvQ-Q_Qf-bUhaKUKm77PdHtVRcLr_bkb4PBRIAEyjCh4izlHOtJCR8-8dsJFAbaog/Cover%20OF%20BOOK%20TOO%20MANY%20COWS.jpg

VGP
05-27-2010, 07:47 AM
I've heard that Pete would have the Gut in all his rackets cut and then re-strung with fresh Gut before every match, even if he had not used them at all for practice. Wonder how much Gut he actually used in his active playing days (in dollar terms I mean)

He wrote about it in his book. It was something like 56 sets of gut over a two-week period (i.e. a grand slam fortnight, on average).....at the time it was almost $2000 in string alone. He'd get all his frames strung fresh for each match, for practice he'd use day-old gut. IIRC, he'd travel with 9-12 frames, but only really use 3-4 of his "favorites." But, he'd have Nate Fergusson string them all up the day of a match.....tension dependent on conditions.

As for what Sampras paid for string, not sure what the sponsorship terms were.

Nanshiki
05-27-2010, 02:32 PM
His string was free, but he had to pay $40 a pop in labor. He spent $50,000 a year on stringing.

marosmith
05-27-2010, 04:39 PM
Haters make baby jesus cry......

so do babolats!!

BreakPoint
05-28-2010, 03:31 AM
Shame on Pete. Somebody should remind him that his signature is on the side of every single KPS88 out there.

But more importantly, does this mean that he and Agassi have made up after that fiasco that happened on court during the Hit for Haiti doubles exo when Agassi made fun of Pete for being cheap?

hoosierbr
05-28-2010, 01:01 PM
Shame on Pete. Somebody should remind him that his signature is on the side of every single KPS88 out there.

But more importantly, does this mean that he and Agassi have made up after that fiasco that happened on court during the Hit for Haiti doubles exo when Agassi made fun of Pete for being cheap?

Sampras said in an interview that Agassi called him after the incident and things are fine between them. In the past.

As for the racquet switch, I understand Pete moving from a 85 to a 90 then back to a 88. But to jump to 98 is one hell of a leap. Wonder if it will stick?

olliess
05-28-2010, 02:23 PM
The PS85 is an 85. The KPS88 has the the same head size and shape as the K90 (save some differences around the PWS bulges).

The 98sq Babolat is bigger... and... it's...not...black! :o

SirSweetSpot
05-28-2010, 02:58 PM
^^Next Pete will be sporting an Adidas Barricade because they were on sale at TW.

roundiesee
05-28-2010, 07:18 PM
His string was free, but he had to pay $40 a pop in labor. He spent $50,000 a year on stringing.

If this is accurate, then assuming Pete had played at least 10 years on the tour, that's easily half a mil on strings, and that's not even counting the costs of the gut.

hoodjem
05-28-2010, 08:15 PM
Pistol Pete playing with a Babolat?



The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

slice bh compliment
05-28-2010, 08:17 PM
The threadtitle reminds me of a song from the early 80s: Relax, Don't Do It, by Sampy Goes To Bollywood

brinkeguthrie
05-28-2010, 08:50 PM
His string was free, but he had to pay $40 a pop in labor. He spent $50,000 a year on stringing.

I think he could handle that cost.

bsandy
05-28-2010, 09:00 PM
His string was free, but he had to pay $40 a pop in labor. He spent $50,000 a year on stringing.

Source ?

In 2006 at the RCA the tournamenet stringers charged $25.

vsbabolat
05-29-2010, 03:56 AM
Source ?

In 2006 at the RCA the tournamenet stringers charged $25.

Sampras did not use the on site stringers. He used Nate Furguson.

doctor dennis
05-29-2010, 12:49 PM
Maybe he's been reading TTW and switched to a larger headsize to win the French Open next year. Lol.
I don't really think this is big for Babolat or bad for Wilson really.
Think about it. Most of the younger players are going to be watching the current greats (Rafa and Fed et al) and buy what they are using. The older generation like myself who grew up watching Sampras are too old to really be influenced and buy what there former hero is playing with. Most of us anyway. Lol. The main beneficiary from this is Pete. More power to him.

TennisandMusic
05-29-2010, 03:45 PM
Maybe he's been reading TTW and switched to a larger headsize to win the French Open next year. Lol.
I don't really think this is big for Babolat or bad for Wilson really.
Think about it. Most of the younger players are going to be watching the current greats (Rafa and Fed et al) and buy what they are using. The older generation like myself who grew up watching Sampras are too old to really be influenced and buy what there former hero is playing with. Most of us anyway. Lol. The main beneficiary from this is Pete. More power to him.

Excellent use of that phrase in your last sentence. I liked that. :p

JoelDali
05-31-2010, 07:50 PM
The 88 is still the most bizarre, beautiful, powerful, lovliest, awesomest, yummiest raquet ever.

Screw Babolat.

:o

Nanshiki
05-31-2010, 08:55 PM
Source ?

In 2006 at the RCA the tournamenet stringers charged $25.

He used P1, who charges something like $40-50 for labor, but string was free...

The source is Patrick McEnroe's book "Tennis for Dummies."

genius24
06-01-2010, 12:49 AM
Today I went to the see Agassi Farewell Tour. AA played Pete Sampras and lost 3-6, 6-3, 4-6. Very nice game. Pete service was incredible as always.

To my surprise, Sampras was not playing with his Wilson K Factor KPro Staff 88. He was playing with the Babolat Pure Storm Tour GT or the Babolat Pure Storm Ltd. GT. I really cannot see which one since I was not seated near. When the game ended Sampras made a clear statement about his new racquet: more power! The strings were kind of black. Do not know if he stayed with Lux/VS Gut combo or went full poly with the new RPM Blast. Here are some pics. In a few days Iím going to get some more. Enjoy!



http://i49.tinypic.com/vo5q4i.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/11w8rk3.jpg

i really hope he switched to babolat b/c he liked the racquet and not b/c wilson short ended him in some fashion like nike did at the end of his career. really cant understand how these companies wouldnt hook sampras up for life after all the exposure he provided them during his prime as one of the best players of all time (until fed arrived).

Geoff
06-01-2010, 05:01 AM
With Sampras going to Babolat, what will be the fate of the KPS 88? Does that make the future of the KPS 88 similar to what happened when the PS 85 was no longer available?

JoelDali
06-01-2010, 05:12 AM
Wilson will stop production of the 88. Definitely.

Kiss it goodbye for sure.

jmverdugo
06-01-2010, 05:31 AM
This thread si so funny, people making excuses for Pete, mid user's taking it personal, die hard fans making explanations, out of nowhere everybody liked the PST and found it similar to the KPS ... so many broken hearts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR3pQpqeqSc) ...

origmarm
06-01-2010, 06:23 AM
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/6236/yuim.jpg

Pete wearing the "LOSER" hat :)

The Baseline
06-01-2010, 06:56 AM
its a shame to see sampras leave wilson, considering pete being american.

proracketeer
06-01-2010, 06:57 AM
http://www.ameliecompany.com/assets/site/img/portfolio/PR/pr_babolat_grand_slam.jpg

shanked_it
06-01-2010, 02:34 PM
its a shame to see sampras leave wilson, considering pete being american.

I don't think wilson is americanborn, or not owned by an american company atleast :confused:

VGP
06-01-2010, 02:35 PM
With Sampras going to Babolat, what will be the fate of the KPS 88? Does that make the future of the KPS 88 similar to what happened when the PS 85 was no longer available?

Sampras with the Babolat could be a short term thing.... Next "high profile" match (as in one on TV) he'll be back with Wilson.

recently, Borg was using a blacked-out k90 while in Asia with a Head logo stenciled on sideways. When he played in the states, he had the full-on k90 Wilson get up. Last I saw on the internet, he's using the Dunlop AG100 4D.

Since it's all for fun, these guys can hit with whatever they want.

Butters!
06-01-2010, 04:40 PM
Today I went to the see Agassi Farewell Tour. AA played Pete Sampras and lost 3-6, 6-3, 4-6. Very nice game. Pete service was incredible as always.

To my surprise, Sampras was not playing with his Wilson K Factor KPro Staff 88. He was playing with the Babolat Pure Storm Tour GT or the Babolat Pure Storm Ltd. GT. I really cannot see which one since I was not seated near. When the game ended Sampras made a clear statement about his new racquet: more power! The strings were kind of black. Do not know if he stayed with Lux/VS Gut combo or went full poly with the new RPM Blast. Here are some pics. In a few days Iím going to get some more. Enjoy!



http://i49.tinypic.com/vo5q4i.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/11w8rk3.jpg

I can only imagine the power he must have now and with poly strings all his shots will stay in and have more spin.

Butters!
06-01-2010, 04:44 PM
This thread si so funny, people making excuses for Pete, mid user's taking it personal, die hard fans making explanations, out of nowhere everybody liked the PST and found it similar to the KPS ... so many broken hearts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR3pQpqeqSc) ...

The purists have had a heart attack. But it was inevitable. Once you get the easy power, it's tough to let go.

JoelDali
06-01-2010, 04:47 PM
I can only imagine the power he must have now and with poly strings all his shots will stay in and have more spin.

Yeah, hes gonna do really well in Wimbledon this year, I'm really glad he switched.

This is a good move at this point in his competitive tennis career.

Butters!
06-01-2010, 04:49 PM
Yeah, hes gonna do really well in Wimbledon this year, I'm really glad he switched.

This is a good move at this point in his competitive tennis career.

I'm sure he would probably win a few rounds now. But that K88 is going to go the way of Fischer rackets. Sticks that purists like don't sell. Once Fed retires that stick will disappear too.

The Baseline
06-01-2010, 06:10 PM
I'm sure he would probably win a few rounds now. But that K88 is going to go the way of Fischer rackets. Sticks that purists like don't sell. Once Fed retires that stick will disappear too.

you can trust federers integrity when he signs a contract he vows to honor it

gsquicksilver
06-02-2010, 10:39 AM
you can trust federers integrity when he signs a contract he vows to honor it

sampras played for years with the ps85 without a contract from wilson because he never would switch frames or use a pj. back in the 90's, wilson had the turqoise pro staff pete sampras signature, made with the ps85 but different paint job. pete refused to use that paint job because he felt a difference in the racquets. therefore, he played with the ps85 out of love, not money. thus, wilson had a lot of free advertisement from pete back then.

spindoctor673
06-02-2010, 11:50 AM
Interesting occurrence of events.

LPShanet
06-02-2010, 07:15 PM
I don't think wilson is americanborn, or not owned by an american company atleast :confused:

Wilson most certainly is American born. The company was founded based on a New York meatpacking company, although most of its historical operations were based in Chicago. It took the name Wilson in 1915 and produced gut strings and sports uniforms, among other things. (Gut strings were one of the main conduits for their transition from meatpacking to sporting goods.)

It only became a holding of Finnish-based Amer Group in 1989. Amer has quite a few sporting goods holding in various countries (including the very American Atomic Aquatics), and they still allow Wilson to run most of their operations out of the US. (Amer is the largest sporting goods holding company in the world.) However, as with the majority of racquet manufacturers, the frames are made in China these days.

As for various posters' sentiments on this thread about loyalty, etc., that's a pretty maudlin way of looking at tennis racquet contracts. For years, Pete played with Wilson, and he stuck with them primarily because he didn't want to switch frames and was superstitious about his equipment. His unwillingness to use current models or paintjobs cost him quite a bit in endorsement money over the years, and there was no reason to expect loyalty between him and Wilson from either side. Pete resented that Wilson didn't pay him more, and Wilson didn't like the fact that he wouldn't at least paint his frames to look like a current model. Racquet contracts are a financial arrangement, and Wilson did their best to pay him as little as possible, since he didn't want to switch frames. Pete's agent did his best to get him as much money as possible, given the circumstances, and the limited value of his endorsement. In a nutshell, it's a business arrangement, not a friendship, marriage or magic spell. The idea that Wilson would unnecessarily give him a lifetime contract as a way of saying "thanks" is ludicrous. Similarly, the idea that Pete would keep using a frame that wasn't of his choosing any more just out of loyalty to a brand, and without being paid is also ridiculous. I think everyone has been watching too many romantic films.

Oh, and by the way, it's a Pure Storm Tour GT.

The Baseline
06-02-2010, 07:22 PM
Wilson most certainly is American born. The company was founded based on a New York meatpacking company, although most of its historical operations were based in Chicago. It took the name Wilson in 1915 and produced gut strings and sports uniforms, among other things. (Gut strings were one of the main conduits for their transition from meatpacking to sporting goods.)

It only became a holding of Finnish-based Amer Group in 1989. Amer has quite a few sporting goods holding in various countries (including the very American Atomic Aquatics), and they still allow Wilson to run most of their operations out of the US. (Amer is the largest sporting goods holding company in the world.) However, as with the majority of racquet manufacturers, the frames are made in China these days.

As for various posters' sentiments on this thread about loyalty, etc., that's a pretty maudlin way of looking at tennis racquet contracts. For years, Pete played with Wilson, and he stuck with them primarily because he didn't want to switch frames and was superstitious about his equipment. His unwillingness to use current models or paintjobs cost him quite a bit in endorsement money over the years, and there was no reason to expect loyalty between him and Wilson from either side. Pete resented that Wilson didn't pay him more, and Wilson didn't like the fact that he wouldn't at least paint his frames to look like a current model. Racquet contracts are a financial arrangement, and Wilson did their best to pay him as little as possible, since he didn't want to switch frames. Pete's agent did his best to get him as much money as possible, given the circumstances, and the limited value of his endorsement. In a nutshell, it's a business arrangement, not a friendship, marriage or magic spell. The idea that Wilson would unnecessarily give him a lifetime contract as a way of saying "thanks" is ludicrous. Similarly, the idea that Pete would keep using a frame that wasn't of his choosing any more just out of loyalty to a brand, and without being paid is also ridiculous. I think everyone has been watching too many romantic films.

Oh, and by the way, it's a Pure Storm Tour GT.

the 88 kfactor was a way of saying thanks. you would think pete would use this frame after retirement because of the late release, but utimately pete turned his back on wilson and joined the bandwagon. wilson made that frame for fans of pete and a way of saying thanks to the loyal pro staff fans, ultimately pete didnt get that message.

marosmith
06-02-2010, 07:32 PM
the 88 kfactor was a way of saying thanks. you would think pete would use this frame after retirement because of the late release, but utimately pete turned his back on wilson and joined the bandwagon. wilson made that frame for fans of pete and a way of saying thanks to the loyal pro staff fans, ultimately pete didnt get that message.

Wilson made the frame to make money not to give Pete warm fuzzies.

ManuGinobili
06-02-2010, 07:35 PM
the 88 kfactor was a way of saying thanks. you would think pete would use this frame after retirement because of the late release, but utimately pete turned his back on wilson and joined the bandwagon. wilson made that frame for fans of pete and a way of saying thanks to the loyal pro staff fans, ultimately pete didnt get that message.

Like Shrek 4, Wilson made that frame to squeeze out any juice left on the Sampras bandwagon.

Couple things I find funny:
1. Ouch! Slap to the face to the Kblade Tour!!
2. I highly suspect that Pete will use another racket at the next tournament, and I also highly suspect this whole saga will start all over again... don't get me wrong, this is FUN... First time I had posted in the Pros Gear section in a while!

The Baseline
06-02-2010, 07:42 PM
Like Shrek 4, Wilson made that frame to squeeze out any juice left on the Sampras bandwagon.

Couple things I find funny:
1. Ouch! Slap to the face to the Kblade Tour!!
2. I highly suspect that Pete will use another racket at the next tournament, and I also highly suspect this whole saga will start all over again... don't get me wrong, this is FUN... First time I had posted in the Pros Gear section in a while!

for the pro staff fans it sold well- so why did pete jump ship? pete could have moved onto the k 6.1 95 that del potro was using--but instead pete gave into the "babolat hype" and wanted to be part of the crowd. pete had several options at wilson and the least he should have done was test them especially since hes retired

Shankapotomus
06-02-2010, 08:08 PM
to all you die hard wilson loving, babolat hating posters, i quote sean connery from SNL jeopardy:

"Suck on it Trebek. Suck it long, and suck it hard."

Meaghan
06-02-2010, 08:19 PM
for the pro staff fans it sold well- so why did pete jump ship? pete could have moved onto the k 6.1 95 that del potro was using--but instead pete gave into the "babolat hype" and wanted to be part of the crowd. pete had several options at wilson and the least he should have done was test them especially since hes retired

Hilarious.....Imagine Pete wanting to be part of the crowd. These are pro players, rackets are tools of their trade, Im sure he's tried a few including the wilson 95's and he's said to himself I cant do this Ive gotta go with Babolat, everyone else is !!!

Babolat frames are no better or worse than most of the junk out there, their top frames I suspect dont have the same quality as Head or Wilson pro stock but they do a job and are very easy rackets to use. Im sure the likes of Nadal, Moya, Gonzalez, Roddick, Tsonga etc etc cant all be wrong.....

Good on Sampras for going with his gut feelings, he has no real responsibility to any manufacturer and it actually shows what a good base mold the storm series is.

TennisNinja
06-02-2010, 09:01 PM
So weird to not see him with Wilson.

LPShanet
06-02-2010, 09:23 PM
the 88 kfactor was a way of saying thanks. you would think pete would use this frame after retirement because of the late release, but utimately pete turned his back on wilson and joined the bandwagon. wilson made that frame for fans of pete and a way of saying thanks to the loyal pro staff fans, ultimately pete didnt get that message.

No, it wasn't. It was a business deal. Not sure where this concept of "thanks" comes from, but it's inaccurate at best.

lucasschneider
06-02-2010, 10:46 PM
There was a similar thread not too long ago when he used Roddick's racquet during an EXHO.

However, this is a surprise, playing a whole match with a Babolat. How did Wilson let that happen?

Kids may flock to Babolat as this is sort of an endorsement! "Uh-oh" by Wilson, IMHO!

Who cares?! No kid is going to care who Pete Sampras is.
Roger Federer is king of the Slams and the GOAT.
Pete is old and no child is going to care what he is using.
Both Babolat and Wilson have great rackets, and I think Wilson Blade 98 is the best racket

Fee
06-02-2010, 11:47 PM
for the pro staff fans it sold well- so why did pete jump ship? pete could have moved onto the k 6.1 95 that del potro was using--but instead pete gave into the "babolat hype" and wanted to be part of the crowd. pete had several options at wilson and the least he should have done was test them especially since hes retired

How do you know that Pete hasn't spent the last year testing every frame that Wilson makes?

lucasschneider
06-03-2010, 11:58 AM
How do you know that Pete hasn't spent the last year testing every frame that Wilson makes?

Probably every company would be happy to pay Sampras more than Wilson.
Wilson already has the GOAT..you don't need Pete when you have Federer.
Plus, it's different now that he is retired. He can just go for the money.
He doesn't care as much as he used to and he would probably play with that stupid two handled racket if they paid him enough

Butters!
06-03-2010, 06:39 PM
Wilson made the frame to make money not to give Pete warm fuzzies.

Pete can do whatever he wants with his choice of rackets.

marosmith
06-03-2010, 06:40 PM
Pete can do whatever he wants with his choice of rackets.

WTF?

:confused:

larlarbd
06-05-2010, 11:32 AM
This is a surprise indeed. Thanks For the Yahoo photo links.

Marcus
06-05-2010, 01:59 PM
Totally agree it's so strange to see pete (even with his bald spot) weilding a frame without the big "W" on the strings.....

However..... As a replacement for the PS85 the PS88 FAILED - BIG TIME !!

Also.... Much as he's a legend.... Pete's off the tour long ago.... I didn't want to use Rod Laver's frame or Fred Perry's when I was growing up.... I wanted the current frame (which was a PS85) Pete doesn't sell enough frames for Wilson - FACT !!! My local pro shop have had a PS88 in there for over a year, while the Head's & babolats have been flying off the shelf..... as they say "Go Figure"

ATB
Mark

christo
06-05-2010, 11:12 PM
I dissagree, I think the small headsize is easier on the bh.

Tell that to Schiavone, her BH was on fire today, would not have happened with a small frame

Pioneer
06-06-2010, 10:57 AM
NO WAY!

He's just fooling around, I bet he will be using a Gamma Big Bubba next time or something like that. He has about 1000000 Wilson Pro Staff St. Vincents in his garage worth millions of $.

Maybe he just can't generate power anymore

VGP
06-08-2010, 09:04 AM
...He has about 1000000 Wilson Pro Staff St. Vincents in his garage worth millions of $....

I read an interview where he said that he only kept 8 of them. I assume for sentimental reasons.

Maybe he just can't generate power anymore

It's not power that he's lacking.....maybe he wants more spin? Or a bit more room to counteract spin?

baseline_monster
06-08-2010, 09:24 AM
The fact is the guy has got a bit older. He still hits an amazing ball but might just feel a bit more comfortable with that frame. I can only really think of Jimmy Connors and maybe Edberg who still use a frame they did when they were at there prime

Dave M
06-08-2010, 09:28 AM
The fact is the guy has got a bit older. He still hits an amazing ball but might just feel a bit more comfortable with that frame. I can only really think of Jimmy Connors and maybe Edberg who still use a frame they did when they were at there prime

What does conners hit with?Surely his prime was aluminum frames?

baseline_monster
06-08-2010, 11:11 AM
What does conners hit with?Surely his prime was aluminum frames?

Last time I saw him hitting with Roddick he was using a really old shape frame, tink the T2000 or something along those lines

PeterFig
06-08-2010, 11:14 AM
What does conners hit with?Surely his prime was aluminum frames?

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/78870087.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF87892155F29F61288AC1CA531A9F6430831B77 17ACFA400FD8A227B587C9A4E7E1FBBF

Prince Mono

PeterFig
06-08-2010, 11:16 AM
The fact is the guy has got a bit older. He still hits an amazing ball but might just feel a bit more comfortable with that frame. I can only really think of Jimmy Connors and maybe Edberg who still use a frame they did when they were at there prime

Edberg has been using a n90 then K90 (or similar 90sq in paintjob) for a while now (on the oldies tour that is).

baseline_monster
06-08-2010, 02:02 PM
Edberg has been using a n90 then K90 (or similar 90sq in paintjob) for a while now (on the oldies tour that is).

Yes, but back in the day he used the 85 classic didnt he? I may be mistaken. The point I was just trying to make is most players end up going to something a tad more forgiving. I bet his storm tour with all that lead and strung that tight is a beast!

Thomas Crown
06-10-2010, 09:06 AM
you think he'll give me some of his st.vincents if i ask him?

zapvor
06-10-2010, 09:31 AM
he should switch to pacific

baseline_monster
06-10-2010, 11:37 AM
he should switch to pacific

is that a serious comment!?

Dave M
06-10-2010, 02:36 PM
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Prince Mono

Thought it might still be the case, but it's the same isn't it, i'm sure its more forgiving than a t2000.

VrafaV
06-15-2010, 12:07 PM
What Happened!?

BreakPoint
06-16-2010, 01:12 AM
What does conners hit with?Surely his prime was aluminum frames?
During his prime, Connors used the Wilson T-2000, which was made of steel, not aluminum.

The Pure One
06-16-2010, 05:06 AM
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Bhagi Katbamna
06-16-2010, 05:34 AM
The 88 is still the most bizarre, beautiful, powerful, lovliest, awesomest, yummiest raquet ever.

Screw Babolat.

:o

So.....when are yours going to show up on the classifieds?

Bhagi Katbamna
06-16-2010, 05:37 AM
Like Shrek 4, Wilson made that frame to squeeze out any juice left on the Sampras bandwagon.

Couple things I find funny:
1. Ouch! Slap to the face to the Kblade Tour!!
2. I highly suspect that Pete will use another racket at the next tournament, and I also highly suspect this whole saga will start all over again... don't get me wrong, this is FUN... First time I had posted in the Pros Gear section in a while!

Exactly. Just like George Luca$ re-releasing different "special edition" DVD's(Blu-Rays) of the original Star Wars movies every few years.

Bhagi Katbamna
06-16-2010, 05:41 AM
During his prime, Connors used the Wilson T-2000, which was made of steel, not aluminum.

Yeah. Connors should be given an extra 5 GS titles just for actually winning with that racket.

movdqa
06-16-2010, 09:01 AM
> anyone here, whoever's a big sampras fan, currently using
> k prostaff 88, planning on changing to BABOLAT pure storm
> tour?

I'm a Sampras fan but I'm also a fan of Roddick, Federer and Nadal so I guess I'm not a big Sampras fan. I've used the PDR and I like it as a racquet but my arm sometimes doesn't like it. I'm fairly used to the KPS88 after trying frames to the ultra-flexy to the ultra-stiff and the KPS88 is the best that I've tried to date. I haven't tried the Babolat PST though I did see many references to it when I was on the Babolat Alliance thread. I spent about six years looking for an upgrade to my Dunlop Revelation Pro Tours from the 1990s and am really loathe to go through the process of changing racquets again unless there is a significant improvement.

I have been considering buying a fourth KPS88 as one of my stringers can be very slow (say several months) in getting racquets back to me and I was down to one strung frame recently. It appears that I may be able to get that fourth frame at a discount.

My guess is that the KPS88 is not a good seller with Wilson and perhaps they couldn't pay Sampras enough compared to Babolat in a stock frame. Wilson makes a lot of different models and has pretty wide coverage and maybe they're going to kill of the PS line once and for all. The BLX 90 has Fed endorsing it and I'm sure that they're selling a ton of those (mostly to people that can't use it) and maybe the need for a PS has come to an end.

Limpinhitter
06-16-2010, 09:59 AM
The frightening things is, with the way his serve and overall game still looks, I wouldn't be surprised if he could still be top 100 with some physical conditioning. He'd probably still be a monster on grass and fast HC. I think the Exo he won against Fed in Macau, 2007, said a lot. Given, Fed was playing at 70-80%, but even when Fed plays at 70-80%, he beats up on 95% of the ATP tour.
Hell, if Kimiko Date-Krumm can win tournaments at 40, and Navratilova stayed competitive in top doubles till 50+, Pete might still have at shot at some 250's.

If Pete really wanted to, I have no doubt that he could still play at a top 10 level, maybe top 5. Pancho was top 10 into his 40's. So was Rosewall who lost to Connors in the finals at W and the USO at 39.

Limpinhitter
06-16-2010, 10:02 AM
Thought it might still be the case, but it's the same isn't it, i'm sure its more forgiving than a t2000.

The T2000 was very forgiving. It was very flexible with an interior steel wire inside the hoop for stringing. It was basically a trampoline. Connors was the only pro who could play with it. Billie Jean tried it but didn't stick with it.

hoodjem
06-16-2010, 10:02 AM
What about his strings?

Has he gone over to the dark-poly-side?

Limpinhitter
06-16-2010, 10:12 AM
Wilson most certainly is American born. The company was founded based on a New York meatpacking company, although most of its historical operations were based in Chicago. It took the name Wilson in 1915 and produced gut strings and sports uniforms, among other things. (Gut strings were one of the main conduits for their transition from meatpacking to sporting goods.)

It only became a holding of Finnish-based Amer Group in 1989. Amer has quite a few sporting goods holding in various countries (including the very American Atomic Aquatics), and they still allow Wilson to run most of their operations out of the US. (Amer is the largest sporting goods holding company in the world.) However, as with the majority of racquet manufacturers, the frames are made in China these days.

As for various posters' sentiments on this thread about loyalty, etc., that's a pretty maudlin way of looking at tennis racquet contracts. For years, Pete played with Wilson, and he stuck with them primarily because he didn't want to switch frames and was superstitious about his equipment. His unwillingness to use current models or paintjobs cost him quite a bit in endorsement money over the years, and there was no reason to expect loyalty between him and Wilson from either side. Pete resented that Wilson didn't pay him more, and Wilson didn't like the fact that he wouldn't at least paint his frames to look like a current model. Racquet contracts are a financial arrangement, and Wilson did their best to pay him as little as possible, since he didn't want to switch frames. Pete's agent did his best to get him as much money as possible, given the circumstances, and the limited value of his endorsement. In a nutshell, it's a business arrangement, not a friendship, marriage or magic spell. The idea that Wilson would unnecessarily give him a lifetime contract as a way of saying "thanks" is ludicrous. Similarly, the idea that Pete would keep using a frame that wasn't of his choosing any more just out of loyalty to a brand, and without being paid is also ridiculous. I think everyone has been watching too many romantic films.

Oh, and by the way, it's a Pure Storm Tour GT.

Pretty much all racquets are made in China. Who cares where the officers and directors of a corporation (a piece of paper at some state's Secretary of State's office), have their tax deductible 3 martini lunches!

Rabbit
06-16-2010, 10:20 AM
What about his strings?

Has he gone over to the dark-poly-side?

Sampras? If you look at the P1 site, there is a blurb that Nate Ferguson wrote about stringing a frame for Sampras all poly @ 75!

Kevin T
06-16-2010, 10:36 AM
Sampras? If you look at the P1 site, there is a blurb that Nate Ferguson wrote about stringing a frame for Sampras all poly @ 75!

Nice! Hey Rabbit, get off the TW boards, buy those new yellow C10s (if you haven't already) to compare to the blacks and report back. On the double!! :)

Rabbit
06-16-2010, 11:40 AM
Nice! Hey Rabbit, get off the TW boards, buy those new yellow C10s (if you haven't already) to compare to the blacks and report back. On the double!! :)

They say they're the same. I am fighting the urge to buy the latest greatest....unless of course I sell some of the old ones to make room......I have bumblbees and black ones now......one bumblebee has never been strung.....

hoodjem
06-16-2010, 03:18 PM
Anyone hit with it?

Does it feel at all like the old PS 85?

movdqa
06-16-2010, 03:21 PM
Should probably dig out the Babolat Alliance thread.

quest01
06-16-2010, 03:37 PM
Sampras has to go back to Wilson, thats the brand he started with and won 14 majors with. Its not right for Sampras to switch to a different brand when he used Wilson since he was literally born up until after his playing days on tour. Once you stick with a brand you shouldn't be allowed to experiment with something else, at least if you do contemplate switching do so with the same brand name.

JW10S
06-16-2010, 04:43 PM
Sampras has to go back to Wilson, thats the brand he started with and won 14 majors with. Its not right for Sampras to switch to a different brand when he used Wilson since he was literally born up until after his playing days on tour. Once you stick with a brand you shouldn't be allowed to experiment with something else, at least if you do contemplate switching do so with the same brand name.Sampras did not use Wilson 'since he was literally born'. For much of his junior career he used Kneissl racquets and when he first went onto the pro tour he used Donnay racquets. That anyone 'should not be allowed to experiment with something else' is one of stupidest things I've read on this forum--and I've read some really stupid things.

quest01
06-16-2010, 05:05 PM
Sampras did not use Wilson 'since he was literally born'. For much of his junior career he used Kneissl racquets and when he first went onto the pro tour he used Donnay racquets. That anyone 'should not be allowed to experiment with something else' is one of stupidest things I've read on this forum--and I've read some really stupid things.

What I meant is that when a player such as Sampras who has won 14 grand slams including 7 Wimbledons and has been a Wilson user for over 20 years, he shouldn't switch brands and use a completely different racquet. If he wants to use something else it should have been with the same company that sponsored him.

OrangeOne
06-16-2010, 05:09 PM
Sampras has to go back to Wilson, thats the brand he started with and won 14 majors with. Its not right for Sampras to switch to a different brand when he used Wilson since he was literally born up until after his playing days on tour. Once you stick with a brand you shouldn't be allowed to experiment with something else, at least if you do contemplate switching do so with the same brand name.

What I meant is that when a player such as Sampras who has won 14 grand slams including 7 Wimbledons and has been a Wilson user for over 20 years, he shouldn't switch brands and use a completely different racquet. If he wants to use something else it should have been with the same company that sponsored him.

Huh? Tell me you're joking.

I haven't read the whole thread, but either Pete found a racquet he thinks he can play better with, or Babolat have tossed him some cash, or both!

Why should Pete have loyalty to a company that, from memory, actually stopped sponsoring (as in paying cash) to Pete during his career (I'm willing to stand corrected there)?

Why should Pete be any different to anyone else in that if he finds a frame he can hit a ball better with he just goes and uses it?

Lifetime sponsorship deals are different, but to my knowledge only Fed has that with Wilson.

pabletion
06-16-2010, 05:18 PM
Huh? Tell me you're joking.

I haven't read the whole thread, but either Pete found a racquet he thinks he can play better with, or Babolat have tossed him some cash, or both!

Why should Pete have loyalty to a company that, from memory, actually stopped sponsoring (as in paying cash) to Pete during his career (I'm willing to stand corrected there)?

Why should Pete be any different to anyone else in that if he finds a frame he can hit a ball better with he just goes and uses it?

Lifetime sponsorship deals are different, but to my knowledge only Fed has that with Wilson.

I SERIOUSLY doubt that ex pro players playing on the champions tour are looking for a racquet they can play better, instead of a racquet that PAYS better....

Cmon, its not like they CANT play at all with an actually "new" racquet. Im almost sure that player on the Champions tour are through with paintjobs, most of them using the real deals possibly customed.

OrangeOne
06-16-2010, 05:24 PM
I SERIOUSLY doubt that ex pro players playing on the champions tour are looking for a racquet they can play better, instead of a racquet that PAYS better....

You're telling me Pete isn't enough of a competitor that if he finds a frame he can thump a bit more with, he's not gonna enjoy smoking his old mates a little bit more?

I, err, SERIOUSLY doubt that!

Anyways, I said plays, pays or both....

movdqa
06-16-2010, 06:06 PM
> You're telling me Pete isn't enough of a competitor that if he finds a
> frame he can thump a bit more with, he's not gonna enjoy smoking his
> old mates a little bit more?

I'd guess that the KPS88 is a more powerful racquet compared to his new Babolat frame given the higher stiffness level if weight and balance are otherwise equal.

ClubHoUno
06-16-2010, 06:14 PM
Sampras has to go back to Wilson, thats the brand he started with and won 14 majors with. Its not right for Sampras to switch to a different brand when he used Wilson since he was literally born up until after his playing days on tour. Once you stick with a brand you shouldn't be allowed to experiment with something else, at least if you do contemplate switching do so with the same brand name.

Most idiotic post I've read in here for quite some time, and believe me, I've read quite a number of moronic posts in here.......

Sampras can play with what every he wants. Wilson new BLX line don't suit the old fans that prefer a crisp feel. They could give Sampras a paintjob racquet of course, but Sampras have always had close relations to Babolat and Babolat is the oldest tennis company in the world - 135 years in the business. Wilson is quite young compared to this.......

Babolat started making racquets in the 90's, but they have made strings, tennis gear and tennis accesories for literally 100's of years.....

OrangeOne
06-16-2010, 06:20 PM
I'd guess that the KPS88 is a more powerful racquet compared to his new Babolat frame given the higher stiffness level if weight and balance are otherwise equal.

I said thump a bit more with, I essentially meant 'prefer'.

Please don't quote random specs and thus guess how an all-time great finds a racquet to play, it's just silly....

movdqa
06-16-2010, 06:26 PM
I actually play with the cps and have played with babolat racquets. One of the things that I like about the cps is that it is more powerful than the pure drive Roddick.

Of course the tw power comparison tool validates this.

I used to hang out on the babolat alliance thread. The pals came into discussion as control racquets for those that didn't want the power of their stiff frames.

OrangeOne
06-16-2010, 06:29 PM
I actually play with the cps and have played with babolat racquets. One of the things that I like about the cps is that it is more powerful than the pure drive Roddick.

Of course the tw power comparison tool validates this.

I used to hang out on the babolat alliance thread. The pals came into discussion as control racquets for those that didn't want the power of their stiff frames.

Yeah, and there's no guarantee what Sampras is using at any stage is in any way stock, and then there's his propensity to string ultra-tight which could change any frame, and then there's the fact that he's one of the better players to ever make contact with a ball in history.

The TW power comparison tool isn't something to quote when referring to Pete Sampras.

Bodycamp13
06-16-2010, 06:46 PM
I've always been a huge Pete fan and felt like really bad playing with anything other than a Wilson. Yes, stupid but I loved my PSC. I'm liking the BLX but I did LOVE the PSTGT when I hit it. That with some of the new RPM Blast string may be in my very near future.

Anyone want some Microgel Prestige Pro's?????

pabletion
06-16-2010, 07:07 PM
You're telling me Pete isn't enough of a competitor that if he finds a frame he can thump a bit more with, he's not gonna enjoy smoking his old mates a little bit more?

I, err, SERIOUSLY doubt that!

Anyways, I said plays, pays or both....

What is he competing for????????? Hes not competing anymore, hes playin for kicks, giggles, and a couple of $$$, not that he really needs it but if he can still make money off of tennis, without any pressure, hell.

OrangeOne
06-16-2010, 07:13 PM
What is he competing for????????? Hes not competing anymore, hes playin for kicks, giggles, and a couple of $$$, not that he really needs it but if he can still make money off of tennis, without any pressure, hell.

For sure. I'm not saying $$ isn't the motivation, in my original post I said he'd found a racquet that he plays better with, or one that pays him better to play with, or both.

As for what is he competing for? Pride. If you think that he's out there not caring at all.... I just don't see it. After all, you, I, and almost everyone on this site aren't on the ATP tour, but we still try and want results, and we don't have his competitive background.

movdqa
06-16-2010, 07:45 PM
> Yeah, and there's no guarantee what Sampras is using at any stage is in any
> way stock, and then there's his propensity to string ultra-tight which could
> change any frame, and then there's the fact that he's one of the better
> players to ever make contact with a ball in history.

Well, you help make my point.

One argument for more power is the trampoline effect of the larger headsize. Stringing them up so tight gets rid of that argument.

But I did say other things being equal. Obviously they are not in stock form. The KPS is 12.8 oz and the PSL is a lot less but we know Sampras likes to string them up to around 14 ounces. So we'll say weight is the same. We can say that the trampoline effect is minimized. And that leaves stiffness.

> The TW power comparison tool isn't something to quote when referring to
> Pete Sampras.

My arguments are sound. The PSL family are Babolat's control-oriented sticks. The KPS88 is NOT a control-oriented stick. It's more like the Pure Drive Roddick which is the top of the Babolat line for power. Yes, Sampras modifies by leading it up to insane levels and stringing very, very tightly. Yes, there are many variables. But assuming any Babolat is more powerful because it's a Babolat is ridiculous.

JW10S
06-16-2010, 07:49 PM
Why should Pete have loyalty to a company that, from memory, actually stopped sponsoring (as in paying cash) to Pete [B]during his career (I'm willing to stand corrected there)?

You are correct--Sampras played for a good while, even while he was winning GS's, without getting paid a dime from Wilson.

Money was not a factor in his racquet choice in his prime and since he recently sold a house in LA for more than $20 million I doubt it is a factor now. He likes the racquet.

OrangeOne
06-16-2010, 07:57 PM
You are correct--Sampras played for a good while, even while he was winning GS's, without getting paid a dime from Wilson.

Thanks for confirming what I thought to be true.

Money was not a factor in his racquet choice in his prime and since he recently sold a house in LA for more than $20 million I doubt it is a factor now. He likes the racquet.

God forbid you say that in this thread, I'm starting to realise each time I say this I make Wilson fans cry.

(For the record I play with a Babo PDGT, and have a KPS 88 that I sometimes his with for fun, so I'm not in either camp here!)

OrangeOne
06-16-2010, 07:58 PM
Well, you help make my point.

I don't, as I'm simply not willing to speculate on how a racquet plays for a pro, let alone a great, other than to say he must prefer the new frame.

movdqa
06-16-2010, 08:00 PM
> I don't, as I'm simply not willing to speculate on how a racquet
> plays for a pro, let alone a great, other than to say he must
> prefer the new frame.

> You're telling me Pete isn't enough of a competitor that if he
> finds a frame he can thump a bit more with, he's not gonna
> enjoy smoking his old mates a little bit more?

You wrote both.

Appears you just wrote a contradiction.

OrangeOne
06-16-2010, 08:03 PM
You wrote both.

Appears you just wrote a contradiction.

I said thump a bit more with, I essentially meant 'prefer'.

See? I clarified what I meant by thump about 5 posts ago. If you're going to dissect things I write, don't skip posts....

movdqa
06-16-2010, 08:07 PM
I read it. I just didn't believe it. I guess we'll chalk it up to your poor writing skills.

thump Pronunciation (thmp)
n.
1. A blow with a blunt object.
2. The muffled sound produced by or as if by a blow with a blunt object; a thud.
v. thumped, thump∑ing, thumps
v.tr.
1. To beat with or as if with a blunt object so as to produce a muffled sound or thud.
2. Informal To beat soundly or thoroughly; drub.
v.intr.
1. To hit or fall in such a way as to produce a thump; pound.
2. To walk with heavy steps; stump.
3. To throb audibly.

OrangeOne
06-16-2010, 08:18 PM
I read it. I just didn't believe it.

Do you enjoy this style of debate? Ignoring when people clarify their own comments, debating endlessly?

I don't. I also don't think you have a single clue about how a tennis racquet performs for Pete, because...you simply don't.

I'm out. Have the last word. Insult my writing skills again. Dance the funky chicken, I couldn't care less.

movdqa
06-17-2010, 06:44 AM
> Do you enjoy this style of debate? Ignoring when people clarify their own
> comments, debating endlessly?

Yes.

> I don't. I also don't think you have a single clue about how a tennis racquet
> performs for Pete, because...you simply don't.

I do know physics and I did place caveats in my statement.

> I'm out. Have the last word. Insult my writing skills again. Dance the funky
> chicken, I couldn't care less.

Have a nice day.

LPShanet
06-17-2010, 10:32 AM
What I meant is that when a player such as Sampras who has won 14 grand slams including 7 Wimbledons and has been a Wilson user for over 20 years, he shouldn't switch brands and use a completely different racquet. If he wants to use something else it should have been with the same company that sponsored him.

Why? They stopped paying him. Would you keep showing up to work if your company stopped paying you one day? More to the point, would you keep showing up if you didn't work there any more? There's a (not so fine) line between "loyalty" and psychotic behavior.

Fee
06-17-2010, 11:34 AM
Why? They stopped paying him. Would you keep showing up to work if your company stopped paying you one day? More to the point, would you keep showing up if you didn't work there any more? There's a (not so fine) line between "loyalty" and psychotic behavior.

Bingo. I've read this entire thread since the day it started. More than one poster has lamented Pete's lack of loyalty to Wilson without regard to the fact that Wilson lacked loyalty (and cash) towards Pete. If Pete got into conversations with Justin and Andy about Babolat racquets and decided to try some out, especially considering he was already very familiar with the company, more power to him. He has to do what is best for his body and his career for the rest of his playing days, and if his contract with Wilson was written in air, he had every right to try out other products.

luishcorreia
06-17-2010, 02:06 PM
I guess the KPS88 is two demanding, even for sampras.

No trainning that mutch and with the years going by, maybe he needs a stick with more pop.

dreamcatcher18
06-18-2010, 08:41 PM
Thanks for sharing.

rh310
06-23-2010, 05:41 AM
I hit with a PSTGT this weekend on the basis of Sampras using it now, and my liking the original PS mid and KPS88.

Maybe it was the string (Black Code 17 mains, X-One 17 crosses, both at 56 lbs) but I thought it felt like complete crap.

JoelDali
06-23-2010, 05:43 AM
Good assessment.

They are total crap and Pete won't be seen with one again hopefully.

Pioneer
07-26-2010, 10:45 AM
I'm more interested in how it's set up. I don't think he can manage 400g anymore.

Apart from that, I don't think anybody besides the pros [and some forum members] swears by a specific frame or setup. I understand why a pro would want 1000 sticks that are made from the best graphite, with the best poly and gut, that feel totally the same. Using a bad stick for a pro would be like going to work in underpants for a banker. But for the recreational players, I think it's a bit over the top to want the same quality gear as the people who earn their living playing tennis. Not even the former pros care about their gear anymore.

baseline_monster
07-26-2010, 11:22 AM
I'm more interested in how it's set up. I don't think he can manage 400g anymore.

Apart from that, I don't think anybody besides the pros [and some forum members] swears by a specific frame or setup. I understand why a pro would want 1000 sticks that are made from the best graphite, with the best poly and gut, that feel totally the same. Using a bad stick for a pro would be like going to work in underpants for a banker. But for the recreational players, I think it's a bit over the top to want the same quality gear as the people who earn their living playing tennis. Not even the former pros care about their gear anymore.

I would be shocked if the weight was massively light, the weight ads to the power. I'm guessing Nate Ferguson is doing the changes

Pioneer
07-27-2010, 08:35 AM
I would be shocked if the weight was massively light, the weight ads to the power. I'm guessing Nate Ferguson is doing the changes

I expect it to be a couple of grams lighter than the PS85s he used. After all, the frame is already more powerful than the 6.0 to begin with. I think I see lead at 3&9. Maybe he uses his old specs, dunno. It would be interesting to see what changes he would make to the weight and balance after switching

zorg
09-05-2010, 06:55 PM
So, if Pete wasn't sponsored by Wilson and just used the PS 6.0 because it was the best racket for him, why did he still put on a Wilson stencil on the strings?

JoelDali
09-05-2010, 07:31 PM
Cuz a PS85 without a stencil looks stupid.

Recon
09-05-2010, 07:46 PM
---edited out..rather not waste time.

nat75
09-05-2010, 08:01 PM
Ummm..there are a lot of misconceptions on this thread. The Pure Storm is a racket to get more control not more power. First of all the head size on the whole line fluctuates from 95/98 sq. in.
Then the stiffness for each of them is:
Pure Storm Limited and Limited + 67ra
Pure Storm 69ra
Pure Storm Tour and Tour + 69ra

Against:
Pure Drive Roddick and Roddick+ 74ra
Aero Pro Drive and Drive+ 72ra

A stiffer racket gives you more power.
A more flexible racket absorbs energy and gives you more control.

And Sampras used Babolat strings. The switch is not that crazy.

LPShanet
09-06-2010, 10:11 AM
Ummm..there are a lot of misconceptions on this thread. The Pure Storm is a racket to get more control not more power. First of all the head size on the whole line fluctuates from 95/98 sq. in.
Then the stiffness for each of them is:
Pure Storm Limited and Limited + 67ra
Pure Storm 69ra
Pure Storm Tour and Tour + 69ra

Against:
Pure Drive Roddick and Roddick+ 74ra
Aero Pro Drive and Drive+ 72ra

A stiffer racket gives you more power.
A more flexible racket absorbs energy and gives you more control.

And Sampras used Babolat strings. The switch is not that crazy.

Actually, the current Pure Storms are much more flexible than you state. The Ltd is in the 59-60 range, and the Pure Storm about 63-64, with the Tour versions being in the 61-63 range.

nat75
09-06-2010, 05:12 PM
Actually, the current Pure Storms are much more flexible than you state. The Ltd is in the 59-60 range, and the Pure Storm about 63-64, with the Tour versions being in the 61-63 range.

Thanks for updating the those numbers. ;) My point was that the Pure Storm line was the control orientated racket on Babolat's catalog. Not the other way around.

Harry_Wild
09-15-2010, 11:44 AM
Wilson most certainly is American born. The company was founded based on a New York meatpacking company, although most of its historical operations were based in Chicago. It took the name Wilson in 1915 and produced gut strings and sports uniforms, among other things. (Gut strings were one of the main conduits for their transition from meatpacking to sporting goods.)

It only became a holding of Finnish-based Amer Group in 1989. Amer has quite a few sporting goods holding in various countries (including the very American Atomic Aquatics), and they still allow Wilson to run most of their operations out of the US. (Amer is the largest sporting goods holding company in the world.) However, as with the majority of racquet manufacturers, the frames are made in China these days.

As for various posters' sentiments on this thread about loyalty, etc., that's a pretty maudlin way of looking at tennis racquet contracts. For years, Pete played with Wilson, and he stuck with them primarily because he didn't want to switch frames and was superstitious about his equipment. His unwillingness to use current models or paintjobs cost him quite a bit in endorsement money over the years, and there was no reason to expect loyalty between him and Wilson from either side. Pete resented that Wilson didn't pay him more, and Wilson didn't like the fact that he wouldn't at least paint his frames to look like a current model. Racquet contracts are a financial arrangement, and Wilson did their best to pay him as little as possible, since he didn't want to switch frames. Pete's agent did his best to get him as much money as possible, given the circumstances, and the limited value of his endorsement. In a nutshell, it's a business arrangement, not a friendship, marriage or magic spell. The idea that Wilson would unnecessarily give him a lifetime contract as a way of saying "thanks" is ludicrous. Similarly, the idea that Pete would keep using a frame that wasn't of his choosing any more just out of loyalty to a brand, and without being paid is also ridiculous. I think everyone has been watching too many romantic films.

Oh, and by the way, it's a Pure Storm Tour GT.

When I was in High School tennis; I was playing with the Wilson PS 85 but they said they would only supply me with two rackets and the rest I had to pay for. Well, I end up with the Dunlop Max 200 - McEnroe used it! Dunlop treated you right and they even offer free shirts and shorts. Wilson did not! I came away with the impression they where a cheap outfit! I did go back to the PS 85 after college. But if Pete has change; I going to go demoing rackets too! I will try the RPM strings too!

Wow! Never thought Pete would leave Wilson; but I guess he had no loyalties to Wilson and neither will I.

airdupont
09-15-2010, 11:56 AM
where's the pic?

tennis4josh
09-15-2010, 12:00 PM
Thanks for updating the those numbers. ;) My point was that the Pure Storm line was the control orientated racket on Babolat's catalog. Not the other way around.

Agreed that Pure Storm is control oriented racket within the babolat line. But for someone moving from a KPS 88, the bigger head-size will be more forgiving for sure, and add power too.

-Josh

Harry_Wild
09-15-2010, 08:55 PM
Agreed that Pure Storm is control oriented racket within the babolat line. But for someone moving from a KPS 88, the bigger head-size will be more forgiving for sure, and add power too.

-Josh

I don't need the power at all; but more forgiving will be nice but I do not hit many off hits but sometimes I completely miss the ball when there is a wicked spin curve shot.

Well, I decide to string a completely new racket that I purchased a while back for a bargain. It a Head Liquidmetal Flexipoint 98 Midplus racket. 2007 era?? I' m stringing it with Nadal/Samprass strings RPM at 57 pounds.

Not sure how it will hit but if Samprass likes it; I should too! Copycat I know but someone has to be; why not me?

Pioneer
09-16-2010, 08:15 AM
Wow you bought a nice racquet then


I don't need the power at all; but more forgiving will be nice but I do not hit many off hits but sometimes I completely miss the ball when there is a wicked spin curve shot.

Well, I decide to string a completely new racket that I purchased a while back for a bargain. It a Head Liquidmetal Flexipoint 98 Midplus racket. 2007 era?? I' m stringing it with Nadal/Samprass strings RPM at 57 pounds.

Not sure how it will hit but if Samprass likes it; I should too! Copycat I know but someone has to be; why not me?

Harry_Wild
09-16-2010, 09:53 PM
Wow you bought a nice racquet then


Thanks. I will post my report on the Head Prestige in a couple of weeks. Time for me to have some hitting time with it! Hopefully, I will love it! If not; I will go back to Babolat Xcel Power 17 or string it with Natural Gut!

tennis_balla
09-18-2010, 09:56 PM
Not sure why people are saying Sampras bailed on Wilson or that he should be loyal to one brand. If anything, he is! He's had a Babolat sponsorship (strings, VS gut) a lot longer than he was with Wilson. So he's going with a company he knows very well, its nothing new to him.

MichaelChang
09-19-2010, 06:46 AM
Not sure why people are saying Sampras bailed on Wilson or that he should be loyal to one brand. If anything, he is! He's had a Babolat sponsorship (strings, VS gut) a lot longer than he was with Wilson. So he's going with a company he knows very well, its nothing new to him.

You have to realize "Wilson" is his wife's name. You know that right? The word "Wilson" should mean a whole lot to Sampras. :)

MichaelChang
09-19-2010, 06:50 AM
Sampras is still using Babolat, as of Sep 18.
http://i56.tinypic.com/2s1qfl3.jpg

tennis_balla
09-19-2010, 09:17 AM
You have to realize "Wilson" is his wife's name. You know that right? The word "Wilson" should mean a whole lot to Sampras. :)

Wilson!!! WILSON!! Come back Wilson!!!

http://www.indyprops.com/pp-wilson1.jpg

JediMindTrick
09-19-2010, 09:35 AM
What I meant is that when a player such as Sampras who has won 14 grand slams including 7 Wimbledons and has been a Wilson user for over 20 years, he shouldn't switch brands and use a completely different racquet. If he wants to use something else it should have been with the same company that sponsored him.

Wilson's racquets are pure garbage, of course people are going away. They got lucky with Federer, but, as soon as Federer retires, the slide will accelerate.

VGP
09-19-2010, 02:55 PM
You have to realize "Wilson" is his wife's name. You know that right? The word "Wilson" should mean a whole lot to Sampras. :)

If she's as nice as she seems, I'd trade one Wilson for the other any day. Her beauty sure does help.

slice bh compliment
09-19-2010, 04:58 PM
Guessing Bridge does not care that he left the racquet company that happens to have the same name as her maiden name.

He clearly wasn't getting the big bucks to stay, and he switched to something he likes. What's not to respect about that?
Allez Pete!

I am surprised Pete's using the PSTour instead of the PSLimited. When I first tried the Ltd, I felt it was a modern pro staff with woofer system and a 95 head. Love it. I just assumed all aging players would see it as a bridge between the 80s and the current era of frames.

staedtler
09-19-2010, 05:10 PM
Guessing Bridge does not care that he left the racquet company that happens to have the same name as her maiden name.

He clearly wasn't getting the big bucks to stay, and he switched to something he likes. What's not to respect about that?
Allez Pete!

I am surprised Pete's using the PSTour instead of the PSLimited. When I first tried the Ltd, I felt it was a modern pro staff with woofer system and a 95 head. Love it. I just assumed all aging players would see it as a bridge between the 80s and the current era of frames.

Maybe if he got like a custom PSL with a 16x20 string pattern. I agree thats def more of a bridge than a regular PST.

Edberg
09-19-2010, 06:41 PM
Of course Sampras can play with whatever suits him. Its just disappointing. Its like watching someone who you looked up to for years suddenly driving a Daewoo or using a cane when you know they can sprint like Usain Bolt. Just sucks.

Long live Wilson flat beams.

Babolats are for kids.

JoelDali
09-19-2010, 07:19 PM
There has not been one credible press release, interview, public confirmation, or acknowledgment from the goat himself or from Babolat that he has switched or signed or has accepted $ to endorse, use or promote chick sticks.

Edberg
09-19-2010, 08:21 PM
Its the photos bro. Its like your good friend stabbing ya in the back and twisting the knife. What the frick is worse?

Ill get over it.................in a few years.

Kemitak
09-20-2010, 09:24 PM
I felt worse when I saw Boom-Boom hitting with an odd collection of 100 sq in Volkls. I don't understand how power players (even retired ones) can play with over-sized racquets.

Borg Forever
09-20-2010, 09:38 PM
I am in complete shock. I can't believe he would do that. What about that customized K ProStaff 88 Wilson gave him? This is crazy.

But I love it. Go Sampras, and go Babolat!

ericsson
09-20-2010, 11:14 PM
I felt worse when I saw Boom-Boom hitting with an odd collection of 100 sq in Volkls. I don't understand how power players (even retired ones) can play with over-sized racquets.

Well you shouldnt, he never played a 100 or oversize racket, when he joined Volkl he tested the Q10tour which he liked a lot, that is not a power stick at all, nothing has changed since then...

MichaelChang
09-21-2010, 05:47 AM
I feel bad for those who bought a bunch of PS85 and worship the "St. Vincent" as the god of tennis rackets, and those who even bought KPS88. After all, those rackets are NOT going to make you play your best tennis. Hell no. Face it, accept the fact. Even Sampras moved on, he turned to the "dark-side", he enjoying the "power" of the dark-side. "More Power", says Sampras. Yay. Congratulations Pete, you have completed your training, you are now a new Babo-lord.

VGP
09-21-2010, 06:07 AM
There has not been one credible press release, interview, public confirmation, or acknowledgment from the goat himself or from Babolat that he has switched or signed or has accepted $ to endorse, use or promote chick sticks.

Here you go if you wanna see it in print (http://tennisworld.typepad.com/the_pro_shop/2010/09/mailbag-pistol-petes-new-pure-storm.html)


I just saw some clips of Pete Sampras and Andre Agassi at an exhibition and it appears Pete has switched to a Babolat racquet that looks like a version of the Pure Storm. I remember hearing that he enjoyed Roddick's Babolat but didn't know he made a permanent switch. Can you confirm and how does it compare to his Wilson Pro Staff?—Eshan

Sure enough, Eshan, Pistol Pete is packing the Pure Storm Tour these days, according to his personal racquet customizer and stringer, Nate Ferguson. “It’s almost his old weight and balance of a decade ago, with stationary weight of about 390 grams [13.8 ounces],” Ferguson reports. He’s also now using the hot Babolat RPM Blast polyester string that Rafael Nadal introduced at the Australian Open this year. Looks like Sampras has joined the Babolat and poly bandwagon. He used just one racquet type, the Wilson Pro Staff, and played with gut during his career.

(not just the frame, but the strings as well - he's playing for fun and paid vacations with some cash on the line, he can use what he wants)

jorel
09-21-2010, 06:53 AM
im not suprised he went to BABOLAT... he has had a relationship with Bab his whole career..

Edberg
09-21-2010, 07:58 AM
I feel bad for those who bought a bunch of PS85 and worship the "St. Vincent" as the god of tennis rackets, and those who even bought KPS88. After all, those rackets are NOT going to make you play your best tennis. Hell no. Face it, accept the fact. Even Sampras moved on, he turned to the "dark-side", he enjoying the "power" of the dark-side. "More Power", says Sampras. Yay. Congratulations Pete, you have completed your training, you are now a new Babo-lord.

I just bought a St Vincent from a nice fellow in California that said he had over 50 Pro Staff 85's! I can't wait to get my "god" racquet.

I guess we will never know if Sampras is playing with the chick stick because Babolat paid him or if he just likes it.

courtking
09-21-2010, 08:01 AM
I feel bad for those who bought a bunch of PS85 and worship the "St. Vincent" as the god of tennis rackets, and those who even bought KPS88. After all, those rackets are NOT going to make you play your best tennis. Hell no. Face it, accept the fact. Even Sampras moved on, he turned to the "dark-side", he enjoying the "power" of the dark-side. "More Power", says Sampras. Yay. Congratulations Pete, you have completed your training, you are now a new Babo-lord.

The St. Vincent, KPS88 is a great racket for the purist with text book, advanced strokes.. I have played tennis over 30 years now and these are still the best weapon I ever played.. Yes, I also tried Babolat AeroDrive, AeroStorm, PureStorm with tune up similar to Kps88 but somehow I shank more balls than hitting with a St. Vincent or a Kps88.. It's just totally difference feeling when you whole a St. Vincent.. No,.. Sampras is not my idol in anyway..

MichaelChang
09-21-2010, 08:07 AM
The St. Vincent, KPS88 is a great racket for the purist with text book, advanced strokes.. I have played tennis over 30 years now and these are still the best weapon I ever played.. Yes, I also tried Babolat AeroDrive, AeroStorm, PureStorm with tune up similar to Kps88 but somehow I shank more balls than hitting with a St. Vincent or a Kps88.. It's just totally difference feeling when you whole a St. Vincent.. No,.. Sampras is not my idol in anyway..

You are the last Jedi. May the force be with you.

VGP
09-21-2010, 08:18 AM
"More Power", says Sampras.

Nope. I think he's saying, "more spin."

MichaelChang
09-21-2010, 08:31 AM
Nope. I think he's saying, "more spin."

You are under-estimating the power of the dark side...:)

VGP
09-21-2010, 09:47 AM
Well, the Babolat PST with RPM Blast does look very Sith-like.

http://swkotor.wz.cz/kotor2_sith_1024x768.jpg

klementine
09-21-2010, 02:21 PM
Guys....Give Pete a break.....

He's getting old.... needs some 'oomph'

If he was in his 20's I'm sure he'd be using the AeroPro Drive GT.. :smile: