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jtatsiue
05-27-2010, 07:51 PM
http://www.slate.com/id/2221980/

Read and discuss.

OKUSA
05-27-2010, 08:20 PM
there's so much more to tennis than strength. hell, i would even bet if anyone did steroids it would hurt their chances as it gives you a false sense of belief

PCXL-Fan
05-27-2010, 08:23 PM
ITF & ATP protect their top players and revinue earners as we saw with Agassi.

Gene doping is the future and is undetectable.

PCXL-Fan
05-27-2010, 08:27 PM
there's so much more to tennis than strength. hell, i would even bet if anyone did steroids it would hurt their chances as it gives you a false sense of belief

The focus on the article is on EPO, not steroids.

Sad thing is EPO is no longer cutting edge. Back in 1999 when Lance Armstrong first used it, it was and it wasn't until 6-7 years later did they develop means of detecting it and retest his old urine.

ViscaB
05-27-2010, 08:43 PM
The focus on the article is on EPO, not steroids.

Sad thing is EPO is no longer cutting edge. Back in 1999 when Lance Armstrong first used it, it was and it wasn't until 6-7 years later did they develop means of detecting it and retest his old urine.

I'm no Armstrong fan but that was illegitimate proof. There were many moments in which they could have messed with this blood.

Sentinel
05-27-2010, 08:46 PM
Nadal's name is there in the article.


So is Federer's.

jtatsiue
06-08-2010, 07:59 AM
[QUOTE=PCXL-Fan;4695358]The focus on the article is on EPO, not steroids.

My apologies for the misleading thread title. PEDs can help tennis players in numerous ways, including stamina and VO2 max capacity. I'm guessing that's why cyclists pioneered the use of EPO. So Lance has definitely used then? I didn't know that had been documented. I always figured that he must have used something given that nearly everyone else in the sport does.

rnrockz1
06-08-2010, 08:08 AM
[QUOTE=PCXL-Fan;4695358]The focus on the article is on EPO, not steroids.

My apologies for the misleading thread title. PEDs can help tennis players in numerous ways, including stamina and VO2 max capacity. I'm guessing that's why cyclists pioneered the use of EPO. So Lance has definitely used then? I didn't know that had been documented. I always figured that he must have used something given that nearly everyone else in the sport does.

That article is bfore Agassi confessed- I think drug tests are more supported and a lot more are being conducted after his confession, and that the ATP knew also at that time was due for criticism.

ProCoach
06-08-2010, 08:17 AM
Petr Korda was banned for the use of steroids and Thomas Muster retired immediately after Korda was cited and banned. Other top players were complaining about them and so something was done. Korda was never muscular and always thin as a rail, but he definitely tested positive for steroids. I don't think there is much complaining amongst the top male or female players today, so things slip through the cracks. Especially drug tests. Besides, who was going to test and ban Serena after her rage at the U.S. Open? The WTA Tour?!? LOL! Yeah right! They would lose so much money if she were booted from the game. Not a chance.

Chadwixx
06-08-2010, 08:23 AM
Korda was given his steroid on court by an atp trainer.

Lance is guilty too, but i think he justified it with his cancer meds.

swordtennis
06-08-2010, 08:49 AM
Testing is no better then than now when dealing with the elite players. Also u will see more and more of these inflated and then deflated results. Massive contrasts. Also tennis was once a youngsters sport.
Remember that ADD society? LOL. Not too long ago it was like early 30's u were basically done. Now with the PED's you will see more and more "old" players making big results. they will crash and peak. Cycle on and off of the stuff. Tennis is in2 the modern age now.
Try playing at the top gun level in your late 20's and early 30's without some help. Yet we got players playing better than when they were in their teens and early 20's. I know I do everything better even jacked on some low level roid supplement I take sometimes.

pug
06-08-2010, 09:01 AM
Come on, it is painfully obvious Fed is a serious 'roid monkey:



http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f86/3660paulajean/Tennis%20pics/fedphy.jpg

swordtennis
06-08-2010, 09:13 AM
Come on, it is painfully obvious Fed is a serious 'roid monkey:



http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f86/3660paulajean/Tennis%20pics/fedphy.jpg

Absolutely. Federer is the poster child 4 PED's.

bluetrain4
06-08-2010, 09:24 AM
Seriously, are there still people who think a player has to be a ripped, gargantuan person to be using steroids or PEDs?

Many PEDs allow significantly quicker muscle recovery so a player can train harder and regroup faster between matches. Others allow more endurance, which is, obviously, very important in tennis. I would imagine that for tennis players, the goal of PEDs, in many cases, wouldn't be to add pounds and pounds of muscle.

I'm not saying any particular tennis players is or is not using PEDs, just that the "They don't look like bodybuiilders, so they're not using" is a stupid defense to allegations of PED use.

OKUSA
06-08-2010, 09:26 AM
You could have all the talent, the body, and the skill to win but if you don't have the mind then you will just end up like Safin, except uglier!

jtatsiue
06-17-2010, 07:01 PM
[QUOTE=jtatsiue;4745265]

That article is bfore Agassi confessed- I think drug tests are more supported and a lot more are being conducted after his confession, and that the ATP knew also at that time was due for criticism.

The testing procedures implemented by the governing bodies of professional tennis lack the teeth necessary to serve as a major crackdown against rampant cheating. The testing policies are lax and almost strictly "in-competition" which is a joke. Players who juice do it between tournaments or during alleged, ahem, extended "injury" hiatuses. In recent years the "whereabouts" rule has been enacted to discourage players from surreptitiously juicing during their out-of-competition sabbaticals but most of the top players in the game DO NOT GET TESTED, per the article on page 24 of the June 2010 issue of Tennis Magazine.

Again, read the linked article written in 2002 about the state of PED detection on the pro tour. Tennis with regard to PEDs is probably where baseball was during the early 90s; players were cheating, everyone else was either in denial or didn't care or stood to profit immensely from the long ball era that ensued shortly after steroids became commonplace.

How long does the average "rally" last during a pro tennis match? About 4 seconds, that's all. Today's players are bludgeoning the ball by dint of better equipment, advanced string technology, tailored surfaces, improved strength and conditioning programs, siphoning athletes away from basketball and other sports, a trend that's ratcheted up the level of athleticism on the tour AND the cocktail of PEDs that some of the players are imbibing.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/11/1026185087993.html

jtatsiue
06-17-2010, 07:26 PM
Come on, it is painfully obvious Fed is a serious 'roid monkey:



http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f86/3660paulajean/Tennis%20pics/fedphy.jpg

I like the sarcasm but it's misplaced and ignores the facts about what athletes, namely tennis players, actually take to improve their performance. Everyone knows that professional cyclists boast hulking, thickly muscled physiques, right? Oops. They're actually pretty thin, some are downright gaunt, a few look like marathon runners from Kenya and they juice or blood/gene dope like frothing-at-the-mouth fiends. Cycling is pretty much a byword for PEDs but since big biceps don't help you climb the Pyrénées no one actually believes that Lance has taken anything. He's 6 ft and weighs in at 160 or so, just like a lot of his competitors. I'm not saying that Fed or Lance for that matter have juiced or taken something to increase their stamina, cardiovascular endurance, etc... But their lack of musculature does not mean that they haven't taken something. Ever watch Fed after a 20 plus stroke rally? Have you ever seen him breathing heavily, utterly gassed and gulping air? I've seen hundreds of Fed matches and he rarely appears winded. He's also notoriously taciturn regarding his training regimen. No one knows the specifics of his off court conditioning program. He's probably clean but then again you can't assume that he's been tested often and at random intervals between tournaments because he has NOT. When marquee players such as Fed are guilty the "powers that be" typically cover for them or look the other way, a la Andre. The games are allowed to continue, the superstars' exploits are televised, the advertisers are reimbursed, the fans are entertained and the level of plausible denial is palpable. Outing Fed or any high profile player wouldn't be a wise move from a PR standpoint, would it?