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The Baseline
06-03-2010, 05:41 PM
is espn sponsored by babolat or what. brad gilbert asked franseca schiavione about how much the nadal strings helped her. also after that daren cahill was talking about stsour nadal schiavione and others who have used this "nadal" string from babolat about how it is the talk of the tournament. whats the hype and should espn promote a certain brand?

JoelDali
06-03-2010, 06:19 PM
is espn sponsored by babolat or what. brad gilbert asked franseca schiavione about how much the nadal strings helped her. also after that daren cahill was talking about stsour nadal schiavione and others who have used this "nadal" string from babolat about how it is the talk of the tournament. whats the hype and should espn promote a certain brand?

Babs showered a large chunque of cash to Tennis Channel for the Gimbullstod 30 second spots. They've influenced ESPN big time as well.

There is an obvious spike in Raquet promotion. The HEAD commercials were made for about $650 budget. The Fed BLX commercial budget was $875 plus food and drinks for the crew.

Buckethead
06-03-2010, 06:45 PM
is espn sponsored by babolat or what. brad gilbert asked franseca schiavione about how much the nadal strings helped her. also after that daren cahill was talking about stsour nadal schiavione and others who have used this "nadal" string from babolat about how it is the talk of the tournament. whats the hype and should espn promote a certain brand?
yeah what the heck??
That shows how much they understand about strings.How many better strings are there for spin or just generally better overall?
I write out a list of 15 at any time.

The Baseline
06-03-2010, 06:48 PM
yeah what the heck??
That shows how much they understand about strings.How many better strings are there for spin or just generally better overall?
I write out a list of 15 at any time.

i know, its almost like gilbert was getting paid from babolat when he interviewed schiavione. he could have just said -you have been playing well since you put new strings in.

Buckethead
06-03-2010, 06:53 PM
i know, its almost like gilbert was getting paid from babolat when he interviewed schiavione. he could have just said -you have been playing well since you put new strings in.

Or just asked a different question.
Why doesn't He asks about Sod's strings and say how much He plays better with the old Luxilon string LOL.

Bhagi Katbamna
06-03-2010, 07:58 PM
Frankie Schiavone was taken aback by that question and wasn't really sure how to answer it.

The Baseline
06-03-2010, 08:02 PM
Frankie Schiavone was taken aback by that question and wasn't really sure how to answer it.

at the end of the interview "Okay Franscenca go and eat some pasta"

Bhagi Katbamna
06-03-2010, 08:04 PM
at the end of the interview "Okay Franscenca go and eat some pasta"

He got a laugh out of her for that. Wonder if he would still be working for ESPN if he told someone from Mexico to go eat a Taco?

ndhUW
06-03-2010, 09:21 PM
The New York Times blog did a short piece on the RPM Blast string by Babolat.

http://straightsets.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/string-theory-in-paris/?ref=tennis

I think the interest from the press in this new string is an attempt to "rationalize" or explain the fact that many top seeded women did not make it to the semi-finals at the French Open and how quick Nadal reclaimed his place on clay.

It'd be interesting to see some in-depth historical analysis on the impact polyester strings had on the game of tennis. Personally, I think it's impossible to look at polyester strings on its own because its popularity was the result of lighter and stiffer racquet trend.

For you hard-core tennis fans out there, has any of you tried a poly string on a woody?

rromeo
06-05-2010, 10:28 AM
Babs showered a large chunque of cash to Tennis Channel for the Gimbullstod 30 second spots. They've influenced ESPN big time as well.

There is an obvious spike in Raquet promotion. The HEAD commercials were made for about $650 budget. The Fed BLX commercial budget was $875 plus food and drinks for the crew.


I've also noticed that the NBC broadcasts with JohnnyMac have been littered with gratuitous praise of these RPM strings. What annoys me the most is that according to some reliable posters on this board, many of the players the commentators say are using this string are actually using a diff one and therefore the announcers have no credibilty whatsoever. In other words either they are clueless or were paid to lie. Either way makes me want to hit mute even more than usual.:evil:

JoelDali
06-05-2010, 12:31 PM
This string should be illegal.

SuperDuy
06-05-2010, 12:35 PM
Wow thats crazy, I should try these strings. Then I will play like Nadal

decades
06-05-2010, 12:38 PM
this is an example of how the giants of the industry control the conversation. there are far better "boutique" strings out there. But Babolat has massive advertising $$$ to spend and they can literally create the idea that these are the best strings out there.

Marcus
06-05-2010, 12:51 PM
this is an example of how the giants of the industry control the conversation. there are far better "boutique" strings out there. But Babolat has massive advertising $$$ to spend and they can literally create the idea that these are the best strings out there.

Genuine Question..... not trying to be funny !

What boutique strings are you refering to ?

I've been very impressed with RPM in a TGK 238.1 - considering a move to poly from Gut

Thanks
Mark

rromeo
06-05-2010, 12:53 PM
The most disingenious part of Mac's comments on these strings during today's broadcast was when Stosur would flub a volley (which she did a lot due to being nervous) he would repeatedly say it was bcs volleying was a weak point of the new strings yet Schiavone who volleyed incredibly well throughout the match supposedly uses the exact same string. Very nonsensical.

decades
06-05-2010, 12:57 PM
Genuine Question..... not trying to be funny !

What boutique strings are you refering to ?

I've been very impressed with RPM in a TGK 238.1 - considering a move to poly from Gut

Thanks
Mark

weisscannon, signum pro, topspin, solinco, and genesis are a few you should investigate. ps: I should have said far better for "the money".

The Baseline
06-05-2010, 04:12 PM
this is an example of how the giants of the industry control the conversation. there are far better "boutique" strings out there. But Babolat has massive advertising $$$ to spend and they can literally create the idea that these are the best strings out there.

when i was hearing all this hype about babolat racquets then finally hit one i was really shocked at how hollow the racquet felt let alone the perfrormance was not there. it shows how much hype can be created through television and i think its wrong

kensan
06-05-2010, 04:21 PM
For you hard-core tennis fans out there, has any of you tried a poly string on a woody?

I did, I put up a picture in the racquets forum. I strung it up with sonic pro in the mains, fxp in the crosses, and participated in a men's open tournament with it. (It was a wood racquet only tournament.)

I would have to re-balance it, but for unknown reasons I couldn't get my swing speed fast enough to take a nice cut at the ball. In fact I couldn't do much of anything, so I ended up serving and volleying. (This was on a fast indoor court.)

Buckethead
06-05-2010, 06:27 PM
The most disingenious part of Mac's comments on these strings during today's broadcast was when Stosur would flub a volley (which she did a lot due to being nervous) he would repeatedly say it was bcs volleying was a weak point of the new strings yet Schiavone who volleyed incredibly well throughout the match supposedly uses the exact same string. Very nonsensical.
You are right and so He is.
Polyester strings,specially the RPM blast doesn't have a good feel,and it's not even comparable to Gut.Some of the new polys have gotten a lot better,but the RPM blast doesn't have a good feel.
He also mentioned about that combination that Nadal uses,very stiff racket with a stiff string which He is right,it's just a bad combination,but maybe Nadal uses that racket with a lower stiffness.

Uncle Emmitt
06-05-2010, 07:28 PM
i agree it did seem very babolatteeee :shock:on the comments. They use to refer to basically all brands of poly as Luxilon. When I listen to them quite frankly I don't think they have the string knowledge as much as a lot of people on these boards. It did seem like subtle advertising to me. The guy w the comment about we dvr thru the commercials ( I certainly do ) makes it sound even more convincing.

My babolat rep gave me some samples and I put some in a PDR @ 63 lbs
( full bed ) my main racquet

and an aeropro drive GT @ 61( full bed ) I play w this a lot too.

I've played with most polys by now and I have to say overall it is prob my fave.

Good power, control, feel ( for a poly ) and great spin. Easier on the arm than PHT, IMO

It's not that much diff than many other polys like they were trying to make it sound however. They made it sound like it was wood against graphite almost:smile:

Cup8489
06-05-2010, 10:48 PM
i agree it did seem very babolatteeee :shock:on the comments. They use to refer to basically all brands of poly as Luxilon. When I listen to them quite frankly I don't think they have the string knowledge as much as a lot of people on these boards. It did seem like subtle advertising to me. The guy w the comment about we dvr thru the commercials ( I certainly do ) makes it sound even more convincing.

My babolat rep gave me some samples and I put some in a PDR @ 63 lbs
( full bed ) my main racquet

and an aeropro drive GT @ 61( full bed ) I play w this a lot too.

I've played with most polys by now and I have to say overall it is prob my fave.

Good power, control, feel ( for a poly ) and great spin. Easier on the arm than PHT, IMO

It's not that much diff than many other polys like they were trying to make it sound however. They made it sound like it was wood against graphite almost:smile:

You should do something I did with one of my friends who bought into this new poly sensation: I strung up one of his PDs with the RPM Blast, and then the other with MSV Focus Hex Black. I used the new white stencil ink to cover the string labelling, so he couldn't tell which was which.

I told him I wouldn't charge him for the MSV either way, but that I wanted to see if he could figure out which was which. After about 3 hours of hitting (half of the time with one, then the other), he actually concluded that the MSV was RPM, and that it was the better performer of the two.

Suffice to say, I told him the truth about the strings, and he now requests the MSV instead (plus, it's 10 bucks cheaper per job for him, so why not?) I also felt that he had alot more spin and bend to his forehand with the MSV, which was in the..1.18 gauge.

TennisFan3
06-05-2010, 11:52 PM
Nadal is using painted Duralast anyways. It's just a marketing gimmick. No big deal.

Top pros never change their equipment just for the heck of it. And when they do, the results are disastrous. See Djokovic..

rromeo
06-06-2010, 02:04 AM
Nadal is using painted Duralast anyways. It's just a marketing gimmick. No big deal.

Top pros never change their equipment just for the heck of it. And when they do, the results are disastrous. See Djokovic..

That was my main point which I have read here on other threads numerous times. So I guess it is not safe to trust anything the broadcasters say and all of their "insight" requires fact checking apparently. Sad state of affairs, imo.

AJK1
06-06-2010, 03:20 AM
I just put some Head Sonic Pro Black in my stick, i'll let you know how it goes. It is half the price of Babolat RPM.

joe sch
06-06-2010, 06:02 AM
Nadal is using painted Duralast anyways. It's just a marketing gimmick. No big deal.

Top pros never change their equipment just for the heck of it. And when they do, the results are disastrous. See Djokovic..

Very true, Nadal has not made any secret changes. This forced marketing is really poorly done. John McEnroe obviously has not tried them and he cant even hit with the modern western grip/stokes to take advantage of these strings. His explanation during the Nadal v Soderling FO final first set was idiotic.

The bab rpm's are basically a msv hex copy; a copoly that bab describes as "Extruded monofilament with an octagonal profile". I have found they are great strings that work best at low tensions with extreme racket head speed to generate the massive topspin.

The Baseline
06-06-2010, 06:47 AM
Very true, Nadal has not made any secret changes. This forced marketing is really poorly done. John McEnroe obviously has not tried them and he cant even hit with the modern western grip/stokes to take advantage of these strings. His explanation during the Nadal v Soderling FO final first set was idiotic.
The bab rpm's are basically a msv hex copy; a copoly that bab describes as "Extruded monofilament with an octagonal profile". I have found they are great strings that work best at low tensions with extreme racket head speed to generate the massive topspin.

agree. look at how poorly they are promoting this string. i like babolat products, but this is beyond belief making it seem that this string is revolutionizing the game. you have to remember that every professional has hit own setup and tension range for their racquets. why are the commentators using such promotion.

Bhagi Katbamna
06-06-2010, 09:42 AM
The most disingenious part of Mac's comments on these strings during today's broadcast was when Stosur would flub a volley (which she did a lot due to being nervous) he would repeatedly say it was bcs volleying was a weak point of the new strings yet Schiavone who volleyed incredibly well throughout the match supposedly uses the exact same string. Very nonsensical.

He was right. He only said you needed a bit of different technique to volley well with those strings because they have less feel.

Rabbit
06-06-2010, 03:34 PM
I did get tickled during the women's final. McEnroe and the other guy were discussing the new string and how both women and Nadal were using it. McEnroe said, yeah, these Babolat racquets are being used a lot too. They used to just have VS and now all this. <More discussion> McEnroe said if you buy one of these racquets and that string, you better buy plenty of ice for your arm too. :)

West Coast Ace
06-06-2010, 04:25 PM
I just put some Head Sonic Pro Black in my stick, Thanks. I'm going in the opposite order. I'll be interested in your results.

It is half the price of Babolat RPM.Math check.

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Babolat_RPM_Blast_16_String_/descpageACBAB-BRPMB16.html

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Head_Sonic_Pro_16_Strings/descpageACHEAD-SONIC16.html

AJK1
06-07-2010, 01:36 AM
Thanks. I'm going in the opposite order. I'll be interested in your results.

Math check.

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Babolat_RPM_Blast_16_String_/descpageACBAB-BRPMB16.html

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Head_Sonic_Pro_16_Strings/descpageACHEAD-SONIC16.html

Sorry, i should have clarified, here in Australia it's half the cost.

IceNineTX
06-07-2010, 04:16 AM
i know, its almost like gilbert was getting paid from babolat when he interviewed schiavione. he could have just said -you have been playing well since you put new strings in.

Brad sells this string on his site. He's doing some thinly veiled cross-promotion. Follow him on FB and you'll see he is just pushing product.

TW Staff
06-07-2010, 04:45 PM
The TW Professor investigates RPM Blast in Jason's latest blog.

http://blog.tenniswarehouse.com/?p=1363

TW Staff

themitchmann
06-07-2010, 05:21 PM
^^^Looks like MSV Focus EVO is pretty close to RPM on the graph. I wonder where Focus Hex would score?

joe sch
06-08-2010, 05:34 AM
The TW Professor investigates RPM Blast in Jason's latest blog.

http://blog.tenniswarehouse.com/?p=1363

TW Staff

Great analysis ... so the lowest COF providing more string movement which is basically what you get with lower tensions anyway, which I did not see as part of that analysis. Basically play any of these type of strings at a low tension, given you can generate high racket head speeds, and you can play more Nadal like :) Good luck.

Rabbit
06-08-2010, 06:08 AM
Great analysis ... so the lowest COF providing more string movement which is basically what you get with lower tensions anyway, which I did not see as part of that analysis. Basically play any of these type of strings at a low tension, given you can generate high racket head speeds, and you can play more Nadal like :) Good luck.

Hmmmm....something tells me that no matter what string I use or how fast I swing the racquet...I'm never going to be able to play like Nadal. ;)

joe sch
06-08-2010, 08:14 AM
Hmmmm....something tells me that no matter what string I use or how fast I swing the racquet...I'm never going to be able to play like Nadal. ;)

Yep.

That was one of the points I was trying to make, these copoly strings are all soo nice and the difference is very minimal especially when strung at lower tensions and without the ability to generate the racket head speeds like the ATP players, this diff would be very hard to take advantage of.

Dont think too many readers believe that all those players have recently switched like suggested by the commentators.

JT_2eighty
06-08-2010, 12:09 PM
The TW Professor investigates RPM Blast in Jason's latest blog.

http://blog.tenniswarehouse.com/?p=1363

TW Staff

I'm surprised Luxilon ALU or BBO are not on this graph. Considering their strings incorporate teflon and are used by the majority of the tour, this should be included to add another frame of reference? Perhaps this is already in the works?

elsupremo
06-08-2010, 12:15 PM
Nadal is using painted Duralast anyways. It's just a marketing gimmick. No big deal.

Top pros never change their equipment just for the heck of it. And when they do, the results are disastrous. See Djokovic..

This was my understanding as well...I was a bit confused to read through the first page of this thread before seeing this posted. I'll admit it was only a couple months ago (been playing for almost 3 years) that the reality dawned on me that none of the racquets currently available are really what the top pros are playing with. Kind of like finding out there's no Santa Claus I guess...fun while it lasted. ;-)

JT_2eighty
06-08-2010, 12:26 PM
This was my understanding as well...I was a bit confused to read through the first page of this thread before seeing this posted. I'll admit it was only a couple months ago (been playing for almost 3 years) that the reality dawned on me that none of the racquets currently available are really what the top pros are playing with. Kind of like finding out there's no Santa Claus I guess...fun while it lasted. ;-)

Exactly. Unfortunately the majority of people watching tennis are not as educated, and fall for the lamely-veiled advertising tricks.

RPM blast is just Babolat's answer to all the great co-polys that have been on the market over the past year or so. They finally realized their PHT was getting ditched for better options from Weisscannon, Genesis, MSV and all those other great brands. What Babolat also realized is that they could still charge highway robbery prices for their strings because there are a lot of gullible yet loaded club players that will eat up anything Gilbert/JMac mutter.

I'd love to visit the Babolat factory one day to swim in their cash pool or ride their money slides.

LPShanet
06-08-2010, 03:07 PM
This was my understanding as well...I was a bit confused to read through the first page of this thread before seeing this posted. I'll admit it was only a couple months ago (been playing for almost 3 years) that the reality dawned on me that none of the racquets currently available are really what the top pros are playing with. Kind of like finding out there's no Santa Claus I guess...fun while it lasted. ;-)

This isn't quite right. Rafa is not using his same old Duralast painted black. In fact, Duralast in its earliest composition was resistant to opaque coloring. There are actually several versions of Babolat black strings made available to their sponsored players and to their playtest panel. (They had created a number of versions to decide which to market.) According to stringers who have handled Rafa's work in the last six months, he was definitely playing a new string at least part of the time and not his old Duralast, but it may well be quite different from what is being sold at retail as RPM Blast. It's also quite possibly different from the black strings that various other pros are using. So the comments on television that they're all using the same string are off the mark, in that there are at least two or three different black strings being used by Babolat players right now.

LPShanet
06-08-2010, 03:10 PM
Exactly. Unfortunately the majority of people watching tennis are not as educated, and fall for the lamely-veiled advertising tricks.

RPM blast is just Babolat's answer to all the great co-polys that have been on the market over the past year or so. They finally realized their PHT was getting ditched for better options from Weisscannon, Genesis, MSV and all those other great brands. What Babolat also realized is that they could still charge highway robbery prices for their strings because there are a lot of gullible yet loaded club players that will eat up anything Gilbert/JMac mutter.

I'd love to visit the Babolat factory one day to swim in their cash pool or ride their money slides.

If you want to be really accurate, RPM wasn't released as an "answer" to those strings, as they barely have any market share. Babolat was simply trying to create a new and different co-poly to get buzz about. Their main concern was taking market share from Luxilon, who is their real competition. While Weisscannon, Genesis, MSV, etc. are popular with a tiny niche group of tennis geeks, and they may well be very good strings, Babolat's offerings aren't really "getting ditched" in any significant numbers for any of them. Take a look at market share percentages and you'll see. As for highway robbery, Babolat is charging pretty much market rate for their co-polys. They're in the same range as the main competition (Luxilon). Oh, and Mac isn't on Babolat's payroll in any way, shape or form. The only real misleading going on here is the suggestion that any of the strings in question are that significantly different from others in the same category, or that the preferences are anything other than subjective and personal.

TW Staff
06-08-2010, 03:46 PM
I'm surprised Luxilon ALU or BBO are not on this graph. Considering their strings incorporate teflon and are used by the majority of the tour, this should be included to add another frame of reference? Perhaps this is already in the works?

Luxilon ALU Power Rough and Polyfibre TCS has been added to the graph in the blog.

http://blog.tenniswarehouse.com/?p=1363

You can check out how RPM compares against other polyester strings here:
http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/stringselector/stringselector.php

Click on "polyester" as the material.

Two more articles and pages that you might find interesting from our TW Professor.

http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/stringmovement.php

http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/spinexperiment.php

Enjoy!

Jason, TW

ODYSSEY Mk.4
06-08-2010, 03:50 PM
Luxilon ALU Power Rough and Polyfibre TCS has been added to the graph in the blog.

http://blog.tenniswarehouse.com/?p=1363

You can check out how RPM compares against other polyester strings here:
http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/stringselector/stringselector.php

Click on "polyester" as the material.

Two more articles and pages that you might find interesting from our TW Professor.

http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/stringmovement.php

http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/spinexperiment.php

Enjoy!

Jason, TW

Thanks jason just what i wanted to see you rock!