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18X20Newbie
06-11-2010, 02:22 PM
I thought I saw a short thread on this but I don't know what to search on...

What are those bracelets that Mardy Fish is wearing?

Sorry don't know how to post pix, but it's on Yah00.

Thanks!

smiggle
06-11-2010, 02:27 PM
power bands

torre_dresen
06-11-2010, 03:01 PM
A friend of mine has the same bracelet.
It would help you with your balance... A bunch of b***s*** if you ask me ^^

sonicare
06-11-2010, 03:11 PM
A friend of mine has the same bracelet.
It would help you with your balance... A bunch of b***s*** if you ask me ^^

This. / Thread

18X20Newbie
06-11-2010, 04:19 PM
Thank you for your comments. Yet I feel compelled to at least look this up and research this new Phiten/Life Force/Titanium/Magnet BS.

Anyone?

pyrokid
06-11-2010, 07:44 PM
it's 100% placebo.
If you believe it, it'll work.

sjam316
06-11-2010, 08:18 PM
im not sure if its the same thing but i think NBA (basketball) players are also wearing those. i read an article on it, which i cant find right now. to me it sounds like a placebo, apparently it improves balance and endurance.

smiggle
06-11-2010, 08:32 PM
im not sure if its the same thing but i think NBA (basketball) players are also wearing those. i read an article on it, which i cant find right now. to me it sounds like a placebo, apparently it improves balance and endurance.
correct. if i can recall, it is called 'efx hologram'

this is for what i can see, the exact one fish uses.

http://www.kingbarcelona.com/en/efx-hologram-silicone-sport-wristband-white-pi-5421.html

gino
06-11-2010, 10:00 PM
it's 100% placebo.
If you believe it, it'll work.

Haha I like this post. It could be true though...

nicolaisidek
06-11-2010, 10:34 PM
These things are spamming everyone in my place. Some can go up to US$300. Personally, if you believe it works, it works. I don't

15_ounce
06-11-2010, 10:41 PM
I think it's powerbalance bracelet. http://www.powerbalance.com/

slice bh compliment
06-11-2010, 10:46 PM
It's based upon science. People have lost faith in their blend of superstition and religion....so some smart marketeers are filling that gap with something to believe in.

This is eastern medicine blended with multi-level marketing. So perfect for the 'new age', good for the weekend warrior looking to buy a piece of lifestyle, great for the pseudo athlete who wants to look like a pro who has one, a perfect conversation piece for the conversationally challenged -- it's even cool for the tin foil hat crowd!

The beauty of it isn't what it does, it's what it does for YOU. Not in an empirical sense, but, mysteriously, what it aligns inside each individual. It's like a bio-antenna, and well, there's all kinds of stuff inside you that doesn't always work together perfectly, and this helps your own signals work more efficiently inside you. At least that is what they can claim unofficially. Not sure which ones you guys are talking about, but they all claim something really awesome/epic/amazing and vague like that.

Anyway, just in case you guys find one that's empirically proven to do more than look cool and make a lot of people a lot of money in a pyramid kind of way, let me know!

NLBwell
06-11-2010, 10:46 PM
Magnetic insoles in shoes have been shown to improve balance in older people. You can look it up on PubMed. Not sure I would wear a wrist magnet for balance, though, and hadn't heard of this particular type. They have also been shown to speed healing of broken bones, help with diabetic neuropathy, and very strong fields are used to help in treating depression. Studies have found magnetic mattresses helpful in treating fibromyalgia.
Study stuff yourself and don't listen to those with no knowledge of the subject who automatically say it is a placebo effect. Baylor College of Medicine, University of Virginia, and many others have done studies showing positive effects of magnets. Of course, posters here have all the knowledge they need without any study.
I myself essentially had to quit playing tennis about 15 years ago because of my rotator cuff before I started using a MagBoy. I've been playing as much as the rest of my body will let me since then. I've had two people I gave magnets to who the doctors said needed surgery for broken bones who healed quickly enough that they ended up not having the surgeries. They have also seemed to be helpful in fighting depression in my familiy's experience.

nicolaisidek
06-12-2010, 02:26 AM
what's a magboy? I've got a broken leg...not sure would it work or not

Ash_Smith
06-12-2010, 05:02 AM
It could be a Trion.Z bracelet. Did it have two straps that link together?

Ash

b mathis
06-12-2010, 05:47 AM
power balance wrist bands , they have been showing up in almost every sporting event, been wearing them for some time now , whats up with the special powers , who knows but I wont take my off , been playing out of my mind , its like "white light meditation"it brings peace ,joy and love in to your life .

gino
06-12-2010, 07:41 AM
It could be a Trion.Z bracelet. Did it have two straps that link together?

Ash

I've seen those at various sporting stores... Kinda cool

dennis1188
06-12-2010, 07:58 AM
Thank you for your comments. Yet I feel compelled to at least look this up and research this new Phiten/Life Force/Titanium/Magnet BS.

Anyone?

I found this info, btw the local shop hands out some adhesive patches w/
some of this mat'l to try but I hvn't yet used it.

"Lleyton wears a special PHITEN necklace, which will be available soon for purchase. The properties in the necklace help enhance circulation, promote relaxation, stabilize energy flow, reduce stress and sooth tension."

bsandy
06-12-2010, 08:03 AM
it's 100% placebo.
If you believe it, it'll work.

Just like about all the racquet technologies since graphite.

. . . Bud

bezs
06-12-2010, 09:03 AM
"Lleyton wears a special PHITEN necklace, which will be available soon for purchase. The properties in the necklace help enhance circulation, promote relaxation, stabilize energy flow, reduce stress and sooth tension."

The one he wears is crazy expensive compared to the other necklaces that phiten has.

pyrokid
06-12-2010, 09:28 AM
Just like about all the racquet technologies since graphite.

. . . Bud

I dunno, if you look REALLY close at an nCode racket, you can totally see the little nanofibers. :shock:

CzechM8
06-12-2010, 09:33 AM
It kinda reminds me of the nasal dilator strips that so many top competitors in so many sports started wearing some years ago.
You don't see those much anymore.

In the case of the nasal dilator strips, I can imagine they can work (although they apparently don't really make so much difference). But magnetic bracelets, necklaces, etc.? Gimme a break.

I'm not questioning magnet therapy when applied properly, i.e. based on actual scientific and medical data and diagnosis, and done by a trained professional to treat specific health problems (plus we're talking much stronger magnetic fields). I just don't buy the this-bracelet-will-restore-your-balance nonsense. I mean, how does the bracelet know in which direction my balance is thrown off? ;)

If weak magnetic fields randomly applied to the human body did work wonders, entire generations that spent half their life in front of the CRT TV tube would need no medical attention ;)

brad1730
06-12-2010, 10:20 AM
Next stop... racquets with the magnets 'built in' - or maybe a laser beam that will focus the 'magnetized energy' onto the problem area. Yup - you got the money, we've got the products.

pyrokid
06-12-2010, 10:28 AM
Next stop... racquets with the magnets 'built in' - or maybe a laser beam that will focus the 'magnetized energy' onto the problem area. Yup - you got the money, we've got the products.

There would be many practical uses for this up and coming technology.

Such as a steel mesh belt with an accompanying with a strong Nd magnet in the buttcap that allowed you to readily clip and unclip the racket from your belt, like they did with lightsabers in starwars.

If only, if only.

Fedace
06-12-2010, 10:46 AM
A friend of mine has the same bracelet.
It would help you with your balance... A bunch of b***s*** if you ask me ^^

Yea,,,i tried Magnet and didn't work for me either. Things that work are Good Braces, Kinesio Tapes, and Voltaren Gel. and some Morphine Tablets but just dont' take it Before the match...:)

torre_dresen
06-12-2010, 01:24 PM
Haha, maybe if you really believe in it hard, you could transform! Like the Power Rangers.

"IT'S MORPHIN TIME. NADAL RANGER/SABRETOOTHTIGER"
:D

Edit : to quote the site:"When the hologram comes in contact with your body’s energy field, it allows your body to interact with the natural, beneficial frequency stored within the hologram. This results in improved energy flow throughout your body."

If it is that simple, I will make the same bracelets with a Jesus Hologram.

"When Jesus comes in contact with your body’s energy field, he allows your body to interact with the natural, beneficial frequency stored within him. This results in improved energy flow throughout your body and walking on undeep water"

:D

Gtech
06-12-2010, 03:10 PM
I wish I would come up with stuff like this. Get some crappy plastic bracelet with a couple of stickers, call them balance hollograms and sell them for $30. I bet this junk is made in China, probably at a cost of $2.00 tops with shipping to the US. Brilliant.

18X20Newbie
06-12-2010, 07:33 PM
So really, all I wanted to know was, what it was. But since the thread has come down this road of placebo effect (which I knew it was) I feel the need to comment.

Dare I say unproven "new technologies" that have no scientifical evidence that it really works are also placebo? I KNOW all of us on this board are guilty of this. New technologies on racquets that we buy because it's the latest and greatest that could POSSIBLY improve our game. We ridicule a purchase of maybe 50 bucks for a bracelet or necklace but we drop 200 on a racquet?

I say go for it. Instead of placebo, I call it "power of suggestion". If you think it works, it will...

Is religion placebo? For respect of religion, I'll leave it at that.

18X20Newbie
06-12-2010, 07:38 PM
Thanks 15 ounce for actually answering the question.

And thaks NLBwell for at least putting some thought into your response.

torre_dresen
06-13-2010, 08:22 AM
That was my point. If you believe it in, it will work. If you believe in God, he exists for you.Thats why my bracelets would actually work xD As for rackets, I don't buy rackets because of new technology, I buy them if they play well.
I never intended to hurt your feelings... :')

tgtennisace
06-17-2010, 06:54 PM
the ones that NBA players and others r wearing r called "C Prime" they go for $115 must get them from a certified dealer

Carlito
06-17-2010, 07:34 PM
I was (still am) 100% skeptical about these things but yesterday I saw some at a tennis club for $30. I tried it out and they did 3 test. The same ones you see on you tube. 2 were basically me standing there and they tried to knock me down. Without the braclet, I tip over easy. With it, they couldn't get me down.

The third test, I just twist my body around as far as I could to test flexibiliy. I could turn much farther with the braclet.

I can't explain it. The only thing I can think of was they pull you down different with and without it but I couldn't tell how. But that doesn't explain the flexibility test.

Again I am still very sceptical. Its probably a placebo effect but I just can't wrap my head around the results of the test. My friend did it also and same results.

TennisWooh
06-17-2010, 08:21 PM
I was (still am) 100% skeptical about these things but yesterday I saw some at a tennis club for $30. I tried it out and they did 3 test. The same ones you see on you tube. 2 were basically me standing there and they tried to knock me down. Without the braclet, I tip over easy. With it, they couldn't get me down.

The third test, I just twist my body around as far as I could to test flexibiliy. I could turn much farther with the braclet.

I can't explain it. The only thing I can think of was they pull you down different with and without it but I couldn't tell how. But that doesn't explain the flexibility test.

Again I am still very sceptical. Its probably a placebo effect but I just can't wrap my head around the results of the test. My friend did it also and same results.

A theory that many believe and makes sense to me is that the first time you do any of the tests you feel whats coming, then they put the bracelet on and do it again, but its not the bracelet thats helping you, its your body compensating cause it knows the push thats coming.

Same thing with flexibility. First time you stretch you can't go that far, try to touch your toes again the second time and you can.

Its odd, I don't really believe, but I still wear my trion z bracelet. Can't take it off, feels weird to me.

Carlito
06-17-2010, 08:24 PM
A theory that many believe and makes sense to me is that the first time you do any of the tests you feel whats coming, then they put the bracelet on and do it again, but its not the bracelet thats helping you, its your body compensating cause it knows the push thats coming.

Same thing with flexibility. First time you stretch you can't go that far, try to touch your toes again the second time and you can.

Its odd, I don't really believe, but I still wear my trion z bracelet. Can't take it off, feels weird to me.

I thought the same thing. Thats why I did it twice. The second time, I even tried harder. Then my buddy did it and same thing.

Wierd stuff.

iloveROGER
06-17-2010, 09:48 PM
http://www.phitenspain.com/imgs_noticias/art006.png


Anyone tried this ? Lleyton Hewitt use to endorse for
this brand named "Phiten", that necklace is one of their products.

wanna know if it works as it siad to help the circulation and facilitate the metabolism, or it just placebo ??

thank you all.

:)

luke_1983uk
06-18-2010, 05:02 AM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/04Z574263o9kW/x610.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/04sOdCv6fC3Em/x610.jpg



i went eastbourne yesterday and saw azarenka wearing the power balance band as well as llodra too. weird there the only 2 players i have seen wearing them and they are both doing great! COULD THEY BE WORKING? :)

luke_1983uk
06-18-2010, 05:07 AM
http://s48.radikal.ru/i120/1006/b1/e51abe6fff93.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/03BP6MOesJbae/x610.jpg

here is a link to the exact same one

http://www.powerbalance.com/silicone-wristband-226.html

slice bh compliment
06-18-2010, 06:23 AM
.... sell them for $30. I bet this junk is made in China, probably at a cost of $2.00 tops with shipping to the US. Brilliant.

They cost significantly less than $1 to manufacture and you're right - probably $2 with freight, and closer to $18 to market. You might be forgetting about the multiple levels of profit-sharing goodness along the way!

They really get pro athletes involved with this stuff. NBA, WTA, even Ivan Lendl!

I'm not a big conspiracy theoriest, but I am beginning to think we've got some serious problems with the military-industrial/sports-entertainment complex. People buy what they think they ought to buy. It's gotten almost Orwellian up in here.

ollinger
06-18-2010, 06:28 AM
Perhaps the phiten is what turned Lleyton Hewitt into a jackass? What if it increases the circulation to your HEAD, as you wear it around your neck? Borg was right when he said the moment you start to think too much on the court, it's over.

pyrokid
06-18-2010, 06:44 AM
So really, all I wanted to know was, what it was. But since the thread has come down this road of placebo effect (which I knew it was) I feel the need to comment.

Dare I say unproven "new technologies" that have no scientifical evidence that it really works are also placebo? I KNOW all of us on this board are guilty of this. New technologies on racquets that we buy because it's the latest and greatest that could POSSIBLY improve our game. We ridicule a purchase of maybe 50 bucks for a bracelet or necklace but we drop 200 on a racquet?

I say go for it. Instead of placebo, I call it "power of suggestion". If you think it works, it will...

Is religion placebo? For respect of religion, I'll leave it at that.

Nobody on these boards buys a racket because of technologies. We all demo it here.
Well, most of us.

retrowagen
06-18-2010, 09:55 AM
Could I just wear one of those magnetically-enhanced Fischer racquets around my wrist for the same effect as one of these new bracelets?

racquetfreak
06-18-2010, 10:27 AM
Instead of placebo, I call it "power of suggestion". If you think it works, it will...

Is religion placebo? For respect of religion, I'll leave it at that.

placebo effect = power of suggestion.

placebo effect is usually positive. however in the case of medical fraud, placebo remedies can be very dangerous in that it may delay legitimate treatment of curable conditions to the point where effective treatment may no longer be possible. not so different from religion. :twisted:

18X20Newbie
06-18-2010, 01:07 PM
Nobody on these boards buys a racket because of technologies. We all demo it here.
Well, most of us.

But what led you to demo? My point is that there HAD to have been SOME power of suggestion to make you want to demo another racquet. Think of some things you own, what made you buy it? Take shoes for example, there are no places (at least that I know) that allows you to demo. For us TT'ers, maybe it's the review, maybe it's a buddy that says they're comfortable - this is all power of suggestion.

Even clothes, why buy name brand? We all know a white Hanes t-shirt is as comfortable as a Nike, or Adidas cotton t-shirt yet we buy it.

Nextman916
06-18-2010, 01:27 PM
Isn't it one of those germanium bracelets held together with magnets? I got one earlier this year from japan, doesnt seem to do anything. The funniest thing is the list of treatments its supposed to do, including lowering your risk of cancer and boosting energy. The only con listed seemed to be that it gives you a dry throat for the first few weeks lol

sureshs
06-18-2010, 01:37 PM
If you believe they work, they do. If something good happens to you, you will attribute it to the bracelet. If something bad happens, you will tell yourself it would have been a lot worse had it not been for the bracelet. That is how human psychology works. We need a psychological defense against the arbitrary stuff that life keeps throwing at us. We also need a way to always justify that we made the right choice otherwise we will be tormented with guilt.

The magnetic field from these bracelets has negligible effect on anything, from a scientific point of view.

Photoshop
06-19-2010, 08:05 PM
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/4641070023_5c515e1fb4_o.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4324/101246904.jpg
not sure if they're the same wristbands but many basketball players wear them too. and they often wear more than one.

I Love Tennis
06-21-2010, 07:57 AM
Its Called Power Balance..Power Balance is Performance Technology designed to work with your body’s natural energy field. Founded by athletes, Power Balance is a favorite among elite athletes for whom balance, strength and flexibility are important.

Power Balance is based on the idea of optimizing the body’s natural energy flow, similar to concepts behind many Eastern philosophies. The hologram in Power Balance is designed to resonate with and respond to the natural energy field of the body.

Tons of pro athletes are wearing them..Maria Sharapova, Victoria Azarenka,
Lots of Basketball, baseball, volleyball, and runners.

http://www.powerbalance.com

You can get Silicone wristbands or bracelets and pendants.

18X20Newbie
06-21-2010, 05:43 PM
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/4641070023_5c515e1fb4_o.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4324/101246904.jpg
not sure if they're the same wristbands but many basketball players wear them too. and they often wear more than one.

Is Kirilenko wearing a bracelet? Didn't really notice...:twisted::)

XFactorer
06-21-2010, 10:32 PM
OMG! A few pros are wearing it! It has to work, then!

sidzej
06-21-2010, 11:23 PM
This is exactly what we call clever marketing :) We create a simple product, nice story, pay a few pros to use our product and millions of people will start to think that it has to work :) As it is finally your mind that decides if it works or not...it actually may work :)

I am not gonna buy this one...for sure :)

nfor304
06-21-2010, 11:26 PM
My sister bought one and I tried it playing tennis a few times. I found it made zero difference to how I played. If anything, those days I played a little worse than usual.

But my sister swears by it. She wears it to the gym every day and goes running with it because she thinks it helps her core strength.

I think I'll stick to my old fashioned snake oil...

127mph
07-24-2010, 02:20 PM
Mardy Fish has been wearing the power balance since queens, and he has been playing well. querry also wore the bracelet at queens and beat fish in the final. Lopez was wearing one at wimbledon.

i wear it and you do have better balance and feel more centered than you would otherwise feel.

Mansewerz
07-24-2010, 02:36 PM
Are these like the Q ray? If anything, that thing annoyed the living hell out of me. It didn't do crap and just moved on my wrist. Never tried tennis with it.

pyrokid
07-24-2010, 02:47 PM
But what led you to demo? My point is that there HAD to have been SOME power of suggestion to make you want to demo another racquet. Think of some things you own, what made you buy it? Take shoes for example, there are no places (at least that I know) that allows you to demo. For us TT'ers, maybe it's the review, maybe it's a buddy that says they're comfortable - this is all power of suggestion.

Even clothes, why buy name brand? We all know a white Hanes t-shirt is as comfortable as a Nike, or Adidas cotton t-shirt yet we buy it.

Yes, but my point is that the technologies are not the reason.
Yes, I'll admit this board had a large influence in what racquets I demoed, but it was the reviews of the racquets that made me consider them, not the techs.

MAX PLY
07-24-2010, 03:09 PM
I found the bracelet's powers and those of my "Pyramid Power" tennis hat cancelled each other out. Played absolute havoc with my ch'i.

Falloutjr
07-24-2010, 03:20 PM
Seems more like a placebo and a mental thing than anything.

Bhagi Katbamna
07-24-2010, 06:59 PM
Hey, you know the old saying, something about a fool and their money....

teto29
07-24-2010, 09:37 PM
they do absolutely nothing

TheMusicLover
07-25-2010, 02:57 PM
Pure quack. It's shocking to see how supersticious and easy-believing many sports(wo)men are... I hope they just wear this rubbish because of the endorsement money.

arche3
07-27-2010, 04:55 AM
I don't see fed or nadal wearing them.

Gorecki
07-27-2010, 05:02 AM
i'm pretty sure a piece of plastic with two "magnets" will make you into a superman...

Nuke
07-27-2010, 05:18 AM
From their website;

Power Balance holograms are designed to work with your body's natural energy field.

Holograms? Seriously? The human race must surely be doomed if we buy into nonsense like this.

Macro80
07-31-2010, 11:02 AM
Pseuso scientific crap purchased almost exclusively by anuses.

sureshs
07-31-2010, 11:05 AM
My father-in-law uses magnetic knee straps and magnetic hip braces to "cure" himself. Told me last month that if I did not believe, it is my problem.

Lajule
08-02-2010, 07:03 AM
http://www.sitedesmarques.com/affiliation/zanox/images/maty/0b/25a67b6823ab826e85798054013cd52a-bracelet-or-maille-americ_GD.jpg

roger's one :)

rovex
08-02-2010, 07:06 AM
I've been using it and i feel my performance has improved 10 fold. I can hit winners from all angles now.

fantom
08-02-2010, 08:08 AM
If your racquet has a manufacturer's hologram, do you still need a hologram bracelet?

Mm10
08-09-2010, 09:49 AM
hmmm I'm not convinced