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william7gr
08-15-2010, 03:57 PM
Ive read countless threads about Polys but still need some help. Im ordering some barricades soon so i want to throw in some strings to take advantage of free shipping.
Here are the strings ive tried so far:
Pro Supex Big Ace: Hated this it got so much praise on this board i was really disappointed with it maybe my expectations were too high but I didnt like it.
Topspin cyber black: Decent string liked it it seemed pretty average nothing special average spin power control but it didnt seem as crisp as others.
SPPP: Really like this string it seemed to lack a little in spin and crispness.
Technifibre Black Code: Great liked it a lot crisp good spin 2nd favorite
Topspin Cyberflash: favorite string so far it, I think its the cripness that i like so much
So these are the strings ive tried so far and a brief summery of what i thought. Based on this what strings do you think would be good for me to try. It seems to be crispness is what im after so whats the crispest string out there. Ive been reluctant to try more expensive strings but would be willing to try now if that would help me. Please help me out i want to make this order soon and paying for strings just kills me.

ManuGinobili
08-15-2010, 07:59 PM
Reading your post makes me wanna eat a whole box of Pringles!!

Cyberflash is a good option and very economical (half the price of Black Code in reel form)... you could just go for it.

Hooked
08-16-2010, 03:31 AM
If you want to get the most spin out of a Poly, I would reccomend RPM Blast or MSV Focus EVO. They have the lowest coefficient of friction on a TW blog where they tested several popular polys. Lower friction means the strings will slide across each other more easily producing spin. I have been really impressed with both and continue to A-B them on my (2) K90's - both strung at 62. I don't notice much difference betwen them at all - except MSV Focus EVO is about half the price. I'm not sure I would consider them "crisp" though. They tend to play more soft for a poly. I would consider the Luxilon Big Bangers to be more crisp, but they go dead pretty quickly compared to the newer polys.

I hear ya on not wanting to spend money on strings, but I find the differences between strings and tensions to make a huge difference in play and a necessary step of finding the right combo for your game. Enjoy the journey.

federalprassi
08-16-2010, 05:46 AM
CF is a great choice, if i had to pick one it would my choice of poly, the other poly are nice but from personal experience it has a better feel.

Doubles
08-16-2010, 06:24 AM
Weiss Canon Match Power is very crisp and durable. Try it at or around 60, and you would be amazed at the spin potential you can get from it...

OldButGame
08-16-2010, 08:51 AM
Topspin Cyber Blue is pretty great too,....:)

william7gr
08-16-2010, 09:08 AM
OK thanks for your responses keep em coming. I also think ill start increasing my tension a bit.

DrpShot!
08-18-2010, 06:22 AM
Try Big Hitter Blue, better and a little less expensive than Topspin Cyber Blue.

Macro80
08-18-2010, 07:01 AM
I would just stop messing around and get some ALU Power.

Hooked
08-18-2010, 07:16 AM
I would just stop messing around and get some ALU Power.

It is a very good string...for about 3 hours. Very stiff, but great control. I moved away from the Alu Powers (regular and rough) to Bab RPM Blast 16 and MSV Focus EVO 16 and have not missed the Luxilons. I have the spin and control I really enjoyed with the Luxilons with more comfort and longevity. Given the price delta, I may make a deeper commitment to the MSV. I currently have it on one frame and the rest are RPM-B. I am monitoring my usage and tension/feel changes over time before making a decision.

I have read good things about the adrenaline Luxilons but have not tried them out. I also might try the Polyfibre TCS and Solinco Tour Bite.

Centered
08-18-2010, 07:49 AM
It seems to be crispness is what im after so whats the crispest string out there. Ive been reluctant to try more expensive strings but would be willing to try now if that would help me.
So, you have two criteria: price and stiffness.

Don't buy a poly unless you plan to pre-stretch it. The TW numbers clearly bear that out.

These polys have the best tension retention numbers in TW's database:

Brand, name, stringing tension, swing speed, pre-stretch?, material, stiffness, total tension loss

Tecnifibre Black Code 16 High
(62 lbs) Fast yes Polyester 289.2 10.8
IsoSpeed Axon Mono 16L High
(62 lbs) Fast yes Polyester 250.9 11.0
Dunlop Comfort Poly 17 High
(62 lbs) Fast yes Polyester 284.6 11.0
Babolat Revenge 16 High
(62 lbs) Fast yes Polyester 331.5 11.5
Tecnifibre Black Code 17 High
(62 lbs) Fast yes Polyester 275.5 11.7
Gamma Zo Magic 16 High
(62 lbs) Fast yes Polyester 266.3 11.9
Klip K-Boom 16/1.30 High
(62 lbs) Fast yes Polyester 274.3 11.9
Babolat Pro Hurricane Tour 16 High
(62 lbs) Fast yes Polyester 288.0 11.9
Signum Pro Poly Megaforce 16 High
(62 lbs) Fast yes Polyester 266.3 12.1
Tecnifibre Pro Red Code 16 High
(62 lbs) Fast yes Polyester 272.0 12.1
Signum Pro Tornado 17 (1.23) High
(62 lbs) Fast yes Polyester 265.7 13.0
Babolat RPM Blast 16 High
(62 lbs) Fast yes Polyester 286.3 13.2
Wilson Enduro Tour 16 High
(62 lbs) Fast yes Polyester 285.2 13.5
Tourna Tourna Big Hitter Blue 17 High
(62 lbs) Fast yes Polyester 258.9 13.7
Babolat Pro Hurricane Tour 17 High
(62 lbs) Fast yes Polyester 269.7 13.7
Luxilon Monotec Zolo 15L High
(62 lbs) Fast yes Polyester 279.5 13.7

Notable numbers are bolded.

I would like to see pre-stretched numbers for medium and low tensions, but TW hasn't provided those yet.

Prince Topspin 15L has much better tension retention than those strings, so you may want to consider it.

Also keep in mind that TW only pre-stretched 266 strings of the 283 in the database, so the numbers are going to be skewed toward the ones they chose to pre-stretch. Here are the top polys in terms of tension retention without pre-stretching (with a nylon strings added for comparison):

Prince Topspin W/ Duraflex 15L High
(62 lbs) Fast no Nylon 210.3 9.9
Prince Tournament Nylon 15L High
(62 lbs) Fast no Nylon 211.5 11.0
Gamma Synthetic Gut 16 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Nylon 220.6 11.5
Forten Sweet 16 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Nylon 221.2 12.8
Prince Recoil 16 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Nylon 200.6 13.5

IsoSpeed Axon Mono 16L High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 230.9 18.3[/n]
Gamma Zo Magic 16 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 257.7 [b]18.7
Tecnifibre Pro Red Code 16 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 259.5 19.0
Klip K-Boom 16/1.30 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 262.3 19.0
Tecnifibre Black Code 16 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 276.6 19.4
Tecnifibre Pro Mix 16 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Nylon/Polyester 189.2 19.6
Signum Pro Poly Megaforce 16 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 252.6 19.6
Dunlop Comfort Poly 17 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 267.5 19.8
Babolat Revenge 16 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 305.8 19.8
Prince Premier LT 18 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Nylon 168.0 20.1
Tecnifibre Black Code 17 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 270.9 20.1
Tourna Tourna Big Hitter Blue 17 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 238.3 20.3

the worst:

Polyfibre Poly Hightec 16/1.30 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 210.9 34.0
Polyfibre TCS 16/1.30 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 209.2 34.0
Polyfibre TCS 16L High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 205.7 32.4
Wilson Enduro Tour 17 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 206.9 32.4
275 Weiss Cannon Silverstring 120 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 181.7 32.4
Polyfibre Hightec Premium 16L High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 210.3 32.2
Polyfibre Hightec Premium 16/1.30 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 207.5 32.2
IsoSpeed Pulse 16 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 192.6 32.0
Polyfibre Viper 17/1.20 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 204.6 32.0
Polyfibre Hightec Premium 17 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 200.6 31.8
Polyfibre Poly Hightec 17 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 202.3 31.8
Polyfibre Viper 16L/1.25 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 205.2 31.8
Polyfibre TCS 17 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 200.0 31.3
Polyfibre Poly Hightec 16L High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 208.6 31.3
Polyfibre TCS Rapid 16L/1.25 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 205.7 31.1
Polyfibre Cobra 17/1.20 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 200.0 30.6
Wilson Enduro Tour 18 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 210.3 30.4
IsoSpeed Pyramid 16 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 203.5 29.8
IsoSpeed Pulse 17 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 185.7 29.5
Head Sonic Pro 16 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 193.7 29.3
Polyfibre Poly Hightec 18 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 192.6 29.3
Klip Hardcore 16/1.30 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 218.3 28.9
Kirschbaum Long Life 15 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 265.2 28.9
Gamma Zo Power 16L High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 243.5 28.7
Tourna Tourna Big Hitter Silver 17 High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 192.0 28.2

If were compare the pre-stretched number of one of these worst strings with the non pre-stretched:

Gamma Zo Power 16L High
(62 lbs) Fast no Polyester 243.5 28.7
Gamma Zo Power 16L High
(62 lbs) Fast yes Polyester 277.7 18.1

We see a tension retention improvement of around 10 1/2 lbs.

Centered
08-18-2010, 07:57 AM
Now, after looking at all those numbers...

This is the string I recommend for you. It's stiff enough to be "crisp", and it has outstanding tension retention so it will remain that way. It's also cheap at about $3.50. It holds its tension better than any poly.

Gamma Synthetic Gut 16, High (62 lbs), Fast, yes, Nylon, 225.2, 3.3

Note that this is with pre-stretching.

Other options:

Wilson Stamina 16, High (62 lbs), Fast, yes, Nylon, 227.5, 4.6

Forten Sweet 16, High (62 lbs), Fast, yes, Nylon, 233.7, 5.7

These are all stiff nylon strings that will feel "crisp" and which hold tension well so they'll remain "crisp". They're also inexpensive.

Centered
08-18-2010, 08:01 AM
Or, if you're really looking for stiffness, consider Ashaway's Composite XT Pro. It's a Vectran string and it's stiffer "crisper" than any poly. It also should hold its tension well since Vectran has very low creep. Pre-stretching is probably helpful here as well. This string is more expensive than those nylon strings I just suggested, but it should last longer as well.

Ashaway Composite XT Pro 16, Vectran, 1.3, 470 stiffness

caecorio
08-18-2010, 08:10 AM
:) You can try Polystar Strike 1.25mm...Very good string with a very nice price ($99,00 reel - 400m) in the **************.

Centered
08-18-2010, 08:13 AM
:) You can try Polystar Strike 1.25mm...Very good string with a very nice price ($99,00 reel - 400m) in the **************.
How well does it hold tension? What's its stiffness?

Poly strings can be quite poor at holding tension, so it's important for someone on a budget, especially if they don't string their own racquets, to find one with good tension retention. Otherwise it's false economy.

caecorio
08-18-2010, 08:37 AM
How well does it hold tension? What's its stiffness?

Poly strings can be quite poor at holding tension, so it's important for someone on a budget, especially if they don't string their own racquets, to find one with good tension retention. Otherwise it's false economy.

:( Sorry, but I'dont know about stiffness, but I can say that the tension maintenance is very good. I'm playing with 40 lbs on my DNX 10 mid and control, spin and comfort of this string with this tension are positive surprises me.

I have tested this string in other settings. I tested Strike in the crosses and Spiky Shark in the mains, and the response was also excellent with the same 40 lbs. I also tested in midplus racket (98) C-10 Pro, and I kept getting great gameplay in all aspects.

So, I'dont know if this information is sufficient, but currently, my favorites polys are WC Scorpion 1.22mm and Polystar Strike 1.25mm.

:) Greetings

Purist
08-18-2010, 09:33 AM
Hey guys, when I saw the talk about pre-stretching a poly I couldn't help but.. want to help. Read this thread about polys and over tensioning them. I've been stringing rackets for 32 years (on and off). Reading this thread blew my mind. People need to be very careful when stringing polys.

http://www.stringforum.net/board/showthread.php?t=3250

that's string forum dot net.

Applying this guy's string method allowed this kid's racket to lose no more than 2 pounds of tension after 20 hours. And that's from the APPLIED tension during stringing.

Centered
08-18-2010, 09:42 AM
Hey guys, when I saw the talk about pre-stretching a poly I couldn't help but.. want to help. Read this thread about polys and over tensioning them. I've been stringing rackets for 32 years (on and off). Reading this thread blew my mind. People need to be very careful when stringing polys.
The data I presented is from Tennis Warehouse's database. There is a difference between pre-stretching and using too much tension, of course. But, TW didn't do pre-stretching with the lower tensions for whatever reason. I don't suggest stringing poly so tightly, but for comparison, using the pre-stretched numbers is more helpful.

I expect that pre-stretching will improve tension retention at lower tensions, too.

Purist
08-18-2010, 09:51 AM
I'd like to avoid high-jacking the thread here, but those two terms don't adequately describe what Jay Cee is talking about. Polys are VERY sensitive to being overtensioned when it comes to playability. And I mean the delta between the applied (while pulling the string) tension and intended final tension. Keep the delta to less than 2% difference. IOW, pull VERY slowly.

If anyone likes to play tennis I'd recommend reading that thread ;)

Centered
08-18-2010, 10:36 AM
What two terms?

The TW numbers have reference tension, actual tension, total tension loss, and pre-stretch vs. no pre-stretch. There is also static stretch.

Static stretch:
Immediately after pulling the test string to its reference tension, the elongation that occurred during the pull was measured. This is presented both as the actual elongation in mm and the percent elongation of the length of the pre-tensioned string (330 mm). Static elongation is of interest to stringers for determining string lengths but does not have much relevance to hitting a ball. That is dynamic stiffness and is listed below ('stiffness').

Total tension loss:
Total tension lost during the test, including the minute wait after tensioning, the 20 high speed hits to stabilize tensions, and the actual test impacts.

Purist
08-18-2010, 11:24 AM
Pre-stretch and tension loss. Nothing in that chart or ANY chart anywhere can describe what a poly feels like if you pulled it too quickly. As in, the string got tensioned to 60 pounds while the stringer is set to 40 pounds. I'd bet most people haven't felt how lively a poly can feel because the string was "dead" before they played with it. Imagine the spring in a ball point pen. Have you ever pulled one apart and it wouldn't return to its original shape? That's what happens to polys when you're not careful.

Centered
08-18-2010, 11:26 AM
So the point is that pre-stretching somehow ruins the feel of poly?

Or, are you comparing two string jobs, one with pre-stretch and one without and noticing that the one without is more "lively" because its tension dropped more?

http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/reporter.php

sureshs
08-18-2010, 11:33 AM
I am now trying RPM Blast on the mains at 57 and Premier LT on the crosses at 60, based on my stringer's suggestion.

What do you guys think?

mrmo1115
08-18-2010, 11:40 AM
RPM is for the spin-lover. If you are more of a flat hitter and don't base your game off spin, you won't like it. Just my 2 cents.

Anyway to the OP: Try PHT in a hybrid. Works great IMHO.

decades
08-18-2010, 11:42 AM
I don't think many people pre stretch polys....

Centered
08-18-2010, 12:38 PM
I don't think many people pre stretch polys....
Well, the TW numbers show a dramatic tension retention improvement for not just polys when pre-stretched.

Prince Topspin 15L, a nylon string, had tension retention better than many natural guts with pre-stretching. It is also, however, more than twice as stiff as natural gut.

Prince Topspin Duraflex 15L, 62 lbs, Slow swing, pre-stretched, Nylon, 1.41mm, 221.7 stiffness, 2.6 lbs total tension lost , 94.5% energy return

compare with:

Pacific Tough Gut 16, 62 lbs, Slow swing, pre-stretched, Gut, 1.39mm, 106.9 stiffness, 3.5 lbs lost, 97.8% energy return

The Topspin string without pre-stretching lost something like 8-9 lbs.

Don't Let It Bounce
08-18-2010, 12:39 PM
If you want to get the most spin out of a Poly, I would reccomend RPM Blast or MSV Focus EVO. They have the lowest coefficient of friction on a TW blog where they tested several popular polys...Thanks for the heads-up; I've been looking for data like this. Here (http://blog.tenniswarehouse.com/?p=1363) it is, if anyone else is interested. I noted that Alu Power Rough fared surprisingly poorly in that comparison.

One thing, though: the strings were tested up to just over 70 lb of force. Wouldn't a hard topspin spin serve or a hard TS groundstroke bring a lot more force than that to bear on the strings? If so, the slope of Black Code's curve suggests that it might be the top performer for a ball hit hard enough.

Centered
08-18-2010, 12:41 PM
People say Dynamite has a lot of string movement. I wonder if its friction coefficient is even better?

Purist
08-18-2010, 03:21 PM
So the point is that pre-stretching somehow ruins the feel of poly?

Or, are you comparing two string jobs, one with pre-stretch and one without and noticing that the one without is more "lively" because its tension dropped more?

http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/reporter.php

I'll let one of the experts in the industry speakto this. This is the thread that I suggested earlier, but here (http://www.stringforum.net/board/showpost.php?p=13281&postcount=8) is one excerpt from it:

http://www.stringforum.net/board/showpost.php?p=13281&postcount=8

Purist
08-18-2010, 04:07 PM
Dang, I meant to post this (http://www.stringforum.net/board/showpost.php?p=13528&postcount=40) thread. This guy's credentials speak for them self, btw. His real name is John Elliot.

http://www.stringforum.net/board/showpost.php?p=13528&postcount=40

Centered
08-18-2010, 07:34 PM
f, just once you pull the spring past its "point of no-return" you destroy the "elasticity" in the spring. Not only will it remain "over-stretched" and longer than it was, the spring is dead. Every time you pull on it, even slightly, it will stretch a little more.

the easiest way to see if you are able to limit your tension loss when stringing is to check what you do with a Stringmeter
Ok, what does this have to do with pre-stretching? Does pre-stretching stretch a string "past the point of no return"?

And, is there any evidence that strings have such a point? Does this point differ from string to string? If so, how does one measure it?

Purist
08-19-2010, 07:57 AM
I try very hard to not hi-jack people's threads, so if you want to email me that's cool. When I first read about this it blew my mind - I spent about that entire Saturday researching ONLY this subject. Some people care about this stuff and some don't. If anyone is interested, they've got more than enough to get started with. Back to the original poster!