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Hooked
08-24-2010, 07:11 AM
Been reading this forum and other sources about strings and certain patterns/trends/opinions have emerged in my mind. I'll go out on a limb and stir up the hornets nest. From what I have gathered these may be the best string currently available by string type:

Natural Gut: Babolat VS Team 17G (Best playability of any string - period)
Multi: Technifibre X-1 Biphase 17G (The most nat gut-like synthetic)
Poly: RPM Blast 16G (Best spin potential)
Synth Gut: Prince Original 16G (The original SG and still best)

Let the slings and arrows fly!

pvaudio
08-24-2010, 08:10 AM
I only agree with #1. Multi is Laserfibre Supernatural Gut Pro Stock, poly depends on what you want (spin is spiky shark though) and syn gut is OG Micro or Forten Sweet.

Parker512
08-24-2010, 08:45 AM
This Thread is going to be taken down i bet.

Gasolina
08-24-2010, 09:16 AM
You should also put in different classes of poly, like soft poly's and textured poly's.

Maybe put a separate table for "best value" strings. E.g. best Multi would be the X-1 and the best value Multi would be the Dynamite

Mig1NC
08-24-2010, 09:38 AM
I only agree with #1. Multi is Laserfibre Supernatural Gut Pro Stock

Yeah, but you can't reliably get that anymore.

Hooked
08-24-2010, 11:28 AM
I only agree with #1. Multi is Laserfibre Supernatural Gut Pro Stock, poly depends on what you want (spin is spiky shark though) and syn gut is OG Micro or Forten Sweet.

Spiky Shark has a higher coefficient of friction than RPM blast which indicates it has less spin potential. See the chart in this blog.

http://blog.tenniswarehouse.com/?p=1363

The only strings that come close are MSV Focus EVO and Polyfibre TCS but the gap between them and RPM Blast is significant. Spiky Shark is one of the worst performers...

Doubles
08-24-2010, 11:51 AM
This is a tough one. I would say this for the following:
Synthetic Gut: Gosen OG Sheep Micro
Multi: HEAD Rip Perfect Control
Spin Friendly Poly: MSV Focus Hex
Soft Poly: RPM Blast
"Traditional" Poly: Luxilon Alu Power Smooth
Natural Gut: Babolat VS Gut
I will patiently wait for some of you to take shots at my picks...

Mig1NC
08-24-2010, 11:58 AM
Spiky Shark has a higher coefficient of friction than RPM blast which indicates it has less spin potential. See the chart in this blog.

http://blog.tenniswarehouse.com/?p=1363

The only strings that come close are MSV Focus EVO and Polyfibre TCS but the gap between them and RPM Blast is significant. Spiky Shark is one of the worst performers...

That list is far from all inclussive, and TW doesn't sell some brands like Genesis (ok, at this point you can call me fan-boy).

That being said, I am very surprised we aren't talking Tour Bite 17 for best spin poly. People seem to like it here (I never tried it) and it rates highest in spin survey by the USRSA.

Centered
08-24-2010, 11:59 AM
Multi: Technifibre X-1 Biphase 17G (The most nat gut-like synthetic)
It's the most gut-like in terms of tension retention, when compared with other strings that haven't been pre-stretched. With pre-stretching, in one test IsoSpeed Professional Classic edged it.

But, tension retention is not the most important characteristic. Dynamic stiffness is the primary characteristic of strings for comparison. X-One does not beat some multis in that area, like Dynamite. It is not more gut-like, in terms of dynamic stiffness.

Nylon is a stiffer material than PEEK/Zyex, although extremely fine filaments of nylon can be used in a thin gauge string to come to a close approximation. At high tensions, IsoSpeed's polyolefin is softer than nylon multis, too.

Synth Gut: Prince Original 16G (The original SG and still best).
Based on what criteria?

I also think nylon strings came out before Prince was a company.

Bugs
08-24-2010, 02:12 PM
Best Spin Poly would have to be Solinco Tour Bite.
I am sure everyone has read the review, http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/articles/2010/07/15_solinco_tour_bite.html
#1 Ranked Spin Potential String Tested since 1993.
I realy enjoy this string..............

TripleB
08-24-2010, 03:35 PM
Natural Gut with best cost/playability ratio: Klip Legend 16g
Multi: Yonex Tour Super 850 or (after a little more play time with it) Mantis Comfort Synthetic 16g
Poly: WeissCannon TurboTwist 1.24mm
Synthetic Gut: Forten Sweet Synthetic 16g

TripleB

Centered
08-24-2010, 05:15 PM
Natural Gut with best cost/playability ratio: Klip Legend 16g
Multi: Yonex Tour Super 850 or (after a little more play time with it) Mantis Comfort Synthetic 16g
Poly: WeissCannon TurboTwist 1.24mm
Synthetic Gut: Forten Sweet Synthetic 16g
Based on what criteria?

BobFL
08-24-2010, 05:44 PM
Based on what criteria?

Personal preference?

Hooked
08-25-2010, 05:38 AM
That being said, I am very surprised we aren't talking Tour Bite 17 for best spin poly. People seem to like it here (I never tried it) and it rates highest in spin survey by the USRSA.

Tour Bite certainly seems to have promise and perhaps it is better than RPM-B in spin production. I don't know as I haven't tried it yet, but likely will. The USRSA survey is a good data point, but I would like to see something more scientific/objective to quantify those opinions. It would be great if TW updated the COF chart with Tour Bite and some other popular strings to see how they compare objectively. It was eye opening to me to see how some strings that were highly regarded by many actually performed relatively poorly. Another affirmation that perception and reality aren't always correlated.

Hooked
08-25-2010, 05:50 AM
[QUOTE=Centered;4983407]
Based on what criteria?QUOTE]

Mostly user opinions. My main objective in this thread was to put some sticks in the sand and see where they end up at the end of the discussion. I knew going in that personal opinion and perception would create some strong reactions to my original post, but I would really like to be proven wrong by some hard data that provides a useful guide to the myriad of strings available and identify the ones that are truly the best in their category. I was unable to find a lot of hard data on nylon string, so I relied on what I believe is a strong conviction amongst a large group of people that Prince Original SG is one of the best, if not the best, sythn guts avaliable today. This is not necessarily my own opinion (I don't have a strong one on SG) but one that is certainly out there.

MarrratSafin
08-25-2010, 05:53 AM
Here we go again...:lol:

Synthetic Gut: Prince Original Synthetic
Multifilament: Technifibre X1-Biphase
Shaped Poly: Volkl Cyclone
Twisted / Textured Poly: WeissCannon Turbotwist / Genesis Typhoon
Regular Round Poly: WeissCannon Silverstring
Natural Gut: Babolat VS Team

Mig1NC
08-25-2010, 06:16 AM
Tour Bite certainly seems to have promise and perhaps it is better than RPM-B in spin production. I don't know as I haven't tried it yet, but likely will. The USRSA survey is a good data point, but I would like to see something more scientific/objective to quantify those opinions. It would be great if TW updated the COF chart with Tour Bite and some other popular strings to see how they compare objectively. It was eye opening to me to see how some strings that were highly regarded by many actually performed relatively poorly. Another affirmation that perception and reality aren't always correlated.

Since they sell it, I would bet they are working on adding it to their database.

Lajule
08-25-2010, 06:21 AM
Natural Gut : Babolat VS Team
Poly : Luxilon BB Original

None of the others :-)

GPB
08-25-2010, 07:39 AM
The best synthetic gut I've played with is Pacific Powerline. It's not a very good bang-for-the-buck string, but it typically keeps its tension until it breaks, which is just about all I can ask for.

ClubHoUno
08-25-2010, 09:43 AM
Natural Gut: Babolat VS Team 17 BEST STRING EVER MADE and the only natty gut I use!
Worthy of mention: Babolat VS Touch 16 and Wilson Natural gut 16

Multi: Laserfibre SuperNatural gut Prostock 17, but since this Prime Multi is no where to befound and Laserfibre as a company sick, the best Prime Multi is:
Tecnifibre X-One 17 Natural color BEST FEEL OF ANY PRIME MULTI !
Worthy of mention: Tecnifibre NRG2 17 and Babolat Xcel Power 17

Poly: Luxilon Alu Power Smooth & Luxilon Alu Power Rough - can't decide between the two. The Alu Power has slightly better tension retention, feel and durability while the Alu Rough has slightly better spin and power, but feels stiffer and goes dead faster of the two.
Worthy of mention: Weisscannon Silverstring 1.20, Weisscannon Turbotwist 17 and Tecnifibre Blackcode 1.18

Synth. gut: Gosen OG Micro

Parker512
08-25-2010, 11:52 AM
Synthetic: Dunlop synthetic 17.

ManuGinobili
08-25-2010, 07:01 PM
If I have a penny for every time people just throw out what they like for no purpose...

Mig1NC
08-26-2010, 02:27 AM
Since Hooked started this, I nominate him to keep a running tally of all the "votes" :)

Could be fun to see how this ends up.

Centered
08-27-2010, 11:35 AM
Personal preference?
That has to be based on something.

Centered
08-27-2010, 11:36 AM
Mostly user opinions. My main objective in this thread was to put some sticks in the sand and see where they end up at the end of the discussion. I knew going in that personal opinion and perception would create some strong reactions to my original post, but I would really like to be proven wrong by some hard data that provides a useful guide to the myriad of strings available and identify the ones that are truly the best in their category. I was unable to find a lot of hard data on nylon string, so I relied on what I believe is a strong conviction amongst a large group of people that Prince Original SG is one of the best, if not the best, sythn guts avaliable today. This is not necessarily my own opinion (I don't have a strong one on SG) but one that is certainly out there.
There is plenty of data on nylon strings.

here:
http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/reporter.php

and here:
http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/articles/2010/01/string_selector_2010.html

OldButGame
08-27-2010, 03:59 PM
It seems to me,..that if one person simply states "i prefer that string", that is a kernel of information. Admittedly it may not be a detaied analysis, broken down point by point,......but never-the less, it is information. When 10 people say the same thing,...that information has just grow in meaning. Its all about what You can extract from information that You're given,....without needing to have each particle explained to you. These forums ,from what i've seen are very much about people asking others peoples opinions (personal prefernces) on matters, and if each opinion expressed were required to be supported with 'data' and scientific 'proof',....then much of these forums would simply 'die' and to me that would be a sad thing. I respect other peoples opinions and preferences,....just because they 'exist'.

karophiteblu
08-27-2010, 08:24 PM
i would trust the solinco's barb wire has the best spin potential of all. tour bite would definitely follow.

Hooked
08-29-2010, 03:19 AM
It seems to me,..that if one person simply states "i prefer that string", that is a kernel of information. Admittedly it may not be a detaied analysis, broken down point by point,......but never-the less, it is information. When 10 people say the same thing,...that information has just grow in meaning. Its all about what You can extract from information that You're given,....without needing to have each particle explained to you. These forums ,from what i've seen are very much about people asking others peoples opinions (personal prefernces) on matters, and if each opinion expressed were required to be supported with 'data' and scientific 'proof',....then much of these forums would simply 'die' and to me that would be a sad thing. I respect other peoples opinions and preferences,....just because they 'exist'.

Agreed. It is an ideal situation when you have objective data and subjective opinions that match up, but that is rarely the case. A few of the strings I nominated based on what I perceived to be a lot of subjective support without any real objective data to back it up. I know there are lots of great tools and data on various websites including TWU and RSI and others, but a lot of that data is raw, has holes and is difficult to translate into real world comparisons of how the strings will feel/behave. For instance, if the coefficient of friction is the main component of producing spin (and spin is such a large part of the game at higher levels), then why is it so difficult to find the specs for it in any of the objective data out there? It's kind of like assembling raw data on every car engine on the planet and leaving out the torque and horsepower figures.

Hooked
08-29-2010, 03:24 AM
Since Hooked started this, I nominate him to keep a running tally of all the "votes" :)

Could be fun to see how this ends up.

I accept. My duty really. I'll try to summarize in a seperate post later.

Centered
08-29-2010, 08:11 AM
It seems to me,..that if one person simply states "i prefer that string", that is a kernel of information.
Yes, it's often like asking a lobbyist about the company/group he/she lobbies for. It's a "kernel of information", but what type of information?
Admittedly it may not be a detaied analysis, broken down point by point,......but never-the less, it is information.
So is this. (http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/images/WWN%20cover.jpg)
When 10 people say the same thing,...that information has just grow in meaning.
Yeah, like at Jonestown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown). There was consensus there.
if each opinion expressed were required to be supported with 'data' and scientific 'proof',....then much of these forums would simply 'die' and to me that would be a sad thing.
False dilemma. (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/false-dilemma.html)

Hooked
08-31-2010, 09:51 AM
Certainly not scientific, but if you look at the feeback and rule out all of the single nominees that are not seconded, you are left with the following:

Nat Gut:
Bab VS Team - 6 votes

Poly:
Bab RPM Blast - 2 votes
Solinco Tour Bite - 2 votes
WeissCanon Turbotwist - 2 votes

Mutli:
Technifibre X1 Bi-Phase 17G - 4 votes
Technifibre Laserfibre Supernatural Gut Pro Stock - 2 votes

Synth Gut:
Prince Original - 2 votes
Gossen OG Micro - 2 votes
Forten Sweet - 2 votes

Looks like a win for Bab VS team and Tech X1 BP but probably not enough data to be statistically useful.

I tried Technifibre X1 BP on a friends racquet last night and was really impressed with the feel and control it provided. We both agreed that giving up the extra spin that RPM Blast provided was a trade off we would likely make. I need to get a set and spend some more time with it. Same goes for Solinco Tour Bite.

Netspirit
08-31-2010, 01:00 PM
Add my votes to VS team gut and LaserFibre SNGPS.

OldButGame
08-31-2010, 04:30 PM
It seems to me,..that if one person simply states "i prefer that string", that is a kernel of information. Admittedly it may not be a detaied analysis, broken down point by point,......but never-the less, it is information. When 10 people say the same thing,...that information has just grow in meaning. Its all about what You can extract from information that You're given,....without needing to have each particle explained to you. These forums ,from what i've seen are very much about people asking others peoples opinions (personal prefernces) on matters, and if each opinion expressed were required to be supported with 'data' and scientific 'proof',....then much of these forums would simply 'die' and to me that would be a sad thing. I respect other peoples opinions and preferences,....just because they 'exist'.

Yes, it's often like asking a lobbyist about the company/group he/she lobbies for. It's a "kernel of information", but what type of information?

So is this. (http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/images/WWN%20cover.jpg)

Yeah, like at Jonestown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown). There was consensus there.

False dilemma. (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/false-dilemma.html)

First,...I dont equate the minds expressing thoughts here ,...to those in Jonestown...(false dilemna otra vez mi amigo!!!),.....
....Secondly,...If You grant SOME credibility and respect to the people expressing opinions here,...then it seems to me You have a degree of 'probability',...that there may be validity in the opinions expressed,....not an absoluteness,...but a certain amount of likelihood or probability, the ability to abstract your thinking indicates a flexibility and maturation in the learning process,....:-|

Netspirit
09-07-2010, 03:48 PM
Multi: Laserfibre SuperNatural gut Prostock 17, but since this Prime Multi is no where to befound and Laserfibre as a company sick

A few days ago I went to laserfibrestore.com and ordered 2 sets of ProStock 17g (paid via PayPal), they arrived today as promised.

So LaserFibre is alive and kicking.