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robert
09-30-2010, 12:03 AM
Just back from our Sectional. We found a self-rated 3.5 player who played not only 4.0 but also 4.5 usta league/tournaments this season. And his 3.5 winning record is 94%. 4.0 & 4.5 winning record is 64%. All these are records are from tennislink.

My captain filed a grievance against him. And USTA denied the grievance. They said that "He has improved the game in the 2010 season and is competitive at the 4.0 level now. Note that USTA Tennis allows for a player to improve without fear of disqualification." Funny, he self rated in feb 2010. And start playing 4.0 tour in May. That means it took him at most 3 months to improve from 3.5 to 4.0 based upon usta records.

Looks like usta doesn't care about Self-rated sandbager at all.

JavierLW
09-30-2010, 05:25 AM
It's not necessarily "The USTA". That's a decision that was made by your grievance committee. (it's made by the majority of 3 people most likely...)

And people wonder why we have this system where the computer decides everything.....

JoelDali
09-30-2010, 05:54 AM
Funny, he self rated in feb 2010. And start playing 4.0 tour in May.


What section? The 4.5 USTA Tour(tm) starts in June in my section.

CrispyFritters
09-30-2010, 01:41 PM
I've heard that ratings grievances are handled on a pure numbers basis. The player is either within range or not based on his match scores vs other players. There really isn't any gray area about it.

The grievance committee is most empowered to address fuzzy things like...unsportsmanlike conduct, threatening another player, blatant cheating, etc.

andfor
10-02-2010, 12:33 PM
Just back from our Sectional. We found a self-rated 3.5 player who played not only 4.0 but also 4.5 usta league/tournaments this season. And his 3.5 winning record is 94%. 4.0 & 4.5 winning record is 64%. All these are records are from tennislink.

My captain filed a grievance against him. And USTA denied the grievance. They said that "He has improved the game in the 2010 season and is competitive at the 4.0 level now. Note that USTA Tennis allows for a player to improve without fear of disqualification." Funny, he self rated in feb 2010. And start playing 4.0 tour in May. That means it took him at most 3 months to improve from 3.5 to 4.0 based upon usta records.

Looks like usta doesn't care about Self-rated sandbager at all.

You'll have to build a case that the player in question lied on his self-rate profile. Did he ever play on the pro tour, D1 tennis or does he have a USTA membership under a different name and USTA #, etc. Unfortunatly, and I understand your beef, the USTA/Section does not penalize player for improving or playing above their level any more, they leave it up to the computer.

amarone
10-03-2010, 03:12 AM
I've heard that ratings grievances are handled on a pure numbers basis. The player is either within range or not based on his match scores vs other players. There really isn't any gray area about it.

Not so. Dynamic DQs are handled on a pure numbers basis, but self-rate grievances are adjudicated. The evidence has to be fact-based, e.g. "he played college tennis", rather than subjective e.g. "he has a great kick serve and fearsome forehand." I wonder what evidence was presented in the self-rate grievance in question. If it was just pointing out his USTA results, then the grievance would certainly be denied - the computer system handles ratings from the results.

The grievance committee is most empowered to address fuzzy things like...unsportsmanlike conduct, threatening another player, blatant cheating, etc.
Self-rate grievances are assessed by a different committee from other grievances, at Section level.

amarone
10-03-2010, 03:15 AM
"He has improved the game in the 2010 season and is competitive at the 4.0 level now. Note that USTA Tennis allows for a player to improve without fear of disqualification."
Who wrote that? It looks plain wrong to me. If you get three strikes you are DQed, irrespective of whether it was caused by an inaccurate rating or improvement - how can the computer tell which it was?