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pvaudio
11-22-2010, 03:15 PM
I figure that since I string for a fair number of people here on campus and thus stock a lot of strings, I'll post up a review of whenever I try out a new string setup. Three categories: Stringing, Playability, Durability with subsections for each. Each post will be a different string. I'll start with what I've got in my bag now and therefore have hit with then will constantly update on what I'm playing with by the day. First off, intrinsic information for each playtest:

Stringer: PV Audio aka ME!
Stringing Machine: Silent Partner Aria w/ Opus clamps (newest Aria)
Frame: Head IG Prestige Pro (stock)
Grip Size: 4 1/2
Overgrip: Wilson Pro Overgrip
Dampener: none

Playing Style

As some general information, my forehand is my groundstroke weapon, my backhand is my consistent side and is becoming a weapon having switched from 1H to 2H. My serve, however, is my main weapon and gives me the most free points. It sets up my other strokes, and I tend to S&V if serving out wide. I do not have or give myself a NTRP rating as the system does not, in my opinion, reflect playing ability below 5.0. Instead, please view the videos below to compare your playstyle to mine so you may make your own assessment.

Serving warmup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtfYGIiHVdY

Hitting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMv2I2bA6RM


Table of Contents

String reviews are listed in chronological order rather than alphabetical order. This is intentional as my thoughts on the same string setup have sometimes changed as I have altered my game. Therefore, if a setup seems very similar to another posted later, click both and see the different characteristics. Likely a difference in tension is present.

Also note that these reviews are my opinion and my opinion alone. Take all of my words with a handful of salt. I am only one 20s aged player, likely using a different racquet than you, and likely hit the ball differently. I have never suffered from elbow problems either, so no string in here I would call arm-friendly as I never have issues there. I have, however, torn my rotator cuff in high school and therefore have limited RoM. It is for this reason that in my serving videos, you will never see me hit a flat serve as it causes too much internal and external rotation. In other words, my main serve is a 100-105 spin serve. Use my setups at your own discretion.

Signum Pro Tornado 1.23 / Technifibre NRG 1.18
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5204521&postcount=2

Topspin Cyber Twirl 1.27 / Technifibre NRG 1.18
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5204525&postcount=3

Weiss Cannon Mosquito Bite (Blue) / Laserfibre SNGPS 17
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5204532&postcount=4
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5283683&postcount=172

Weiss Cannon Scorpion 1.22 / PerforMAXX Whisper Touch 1.20 Natural Gut
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5205070&postcount=8
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5468720&postcount=453

Initial
Polyfibre Hexablade 1.18 / WhisperTouch
WeissCANNON Scorpion 1.22 / WhisperTouch
Polyfibre Hexablade 1.18 / Mantis Comfort Synthetic
WeissCANNON Scorpion 1.22 / Mantis Comfort Synthetic
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5270952&postcount=140

Final Verdicts
Polyfibre Hexablade 1.18 / WhisperTouch
WeissCANNON Scorpion 1.22 / WhisperTouch
Polyfibre Hexablade 1.18 / Mantis Comfort Synthetic
WeissCANNON Scorpion 1.22 / Mantis Comfort Synthetic
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5273660&postcount=144

Genesis Typhoon 16L / Technifibre NRG2 1.18
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5287998&postcount=210
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5289921&postcount=234

WeissCANNON Black5Edge / WhisperTouch
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5298876&postcount=262

WeissCANNON Black5Edge vs. WeissCANNON Scorpion 1.22
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5299665&postcount=265

PerforMAXX WhisperTouch Pro / WeissCANNON Scorpion 1.22
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5444028&postcount=417
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5446114&postcount=427

PerforMAXX WhisperTouch Pro / WeissCANNON Black5Edge
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5444030&postcount=418

WeissCANNON Black5Edge / WeissCANNON 6Star Supercharged
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5468743&postcount=455

WeissCANNON Silverstring / PerforMAXX WhisperTouch Pro
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5478797&postcount=494
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5479686&postcount=508

WeissCANNON Black5Edge / PerforMAXX WhisperTouch Pro
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5478798&postcount=495
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5479699&postcount=509

WeissCANNON Turbotwist 1.18 / PerforMAXX WhisperTouch
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5527523&postcount=615
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5533846&postcount=629
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5554659&postcount=701

Tourna Poly Big Hitter Blue Rough 17g / PerforMAXX WhisperTouch
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5527525&postcount=616
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5533935&postcount=630
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5554682&postcount=703

Signum Pro Hyperion 1.24 / PerforMAXX WhisperTouch Pro
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5527530&postcount=617
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5533984&postcount=631
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5554666&postcount=702

Volkl Cyclone 17g
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5527533&postcount=618
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5534072&postcount=632
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5554710&postcount=704

Topspin CyberTwirl Black 1.27 / Babolat VS Team 17
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5608012&postcount=796
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5667574&postcount=834

Tourna Big Hitter Blue Rough 17 / Performaxx Touch 17
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5615657&postcount=812
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5667574&postcount=834

Genesis Black Magic 17g
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5745888&postcount=941

Genesis Black Magic 17g / WhisperTouch
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5756050&postcount=945

WeissCANNON B5E / Prince Recoil
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5780311&postcount=995

Tourna Poly Big Hitter Blue Rough 17g / Prince Recoil
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5780324&postcount=996

Tourna Poly Big Hitter Blue Rough 17g / WhisperTouch Pro
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5780332&postcount=998

Discho Black Mamba 1.23
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5835005&postcount=1043

WhisperTouch Pro / MSV Hepta-Twist 1.25
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5851399&postcount=1067
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5855072&postcount=1094
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pvaudio
11-22-2010, 03:20 PM
Dunlop Aerogel 4D200 Tour Review, Strung with B5E / WT Pro
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5851416&postcount=1068

WT Pro / MSV Co Focus 1.23 Midnight Blue
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5875251&postcount=1162

Performaxx Light Touch / Scorpion 1.22
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=6027183&postcount=1300

Performaxx Light Touch / ThunderStrings Storm 1.25
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=6059883&postcount=1369

WeissCANNON B5E / Genesis Thunderblast 16g
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=6194402&postcount=1606

Tourna Big Hitter Black 7
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=6220893&postcount=1664

2012 Wilson Prototype Blue String
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=6254655&postcount=1696

Signum Pro Tornado 1.23 / Babolat Xcel French Open 17g
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=6315966&postcount=1807
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=6381704&postcount=2020 (update)

Solinco Tour Bite 18g / Genesis Thunderblast 16g
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=6315999&postcount=1808

Discho Iontec Salmon 1.25mm
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=6354689&postcount=1883

Polyester Comparison: WC Scorpion 1.22, WC Silverstring 1.20, Discho Iontec Salmon and MSV CoFocus 1.23
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=6359679&postcount=1932

Solinco Barb Wire 16L / WeissCANNON Mosquito Bite
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=6381740&postcount=2021

L-Tec Premium Pro / L-Tec Premium 5S
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=6388897&postcount=2124

Isospeed Baseline Spin 1.20mm / Gosen OG Sheep Micro 17g Natural
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=6424598&postcount=2332

Luxilon Adrenaline Rough 1.25mm / Yonex Tour Super 850 1.30mm
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=6444810&postcount=2419

SP Tornado 1.23mm / WC Explosiv! 1.30mm
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=6527089&postcount=2662


All images in this thread are my property. If you would like to use one, please ask me first.

Stringing: Stringing of the mains is fairly easy. Just make sure to not set the clamps too tightly as the Tornado is highly textured and you can shred the strings fairly easily if you're not careful. This is especially important if you do a full bed. Stringing the NRG is butter, nothing needs to be said there. All Pro knots on racquet. Tension: 57/60

Playability: Great racquet setup here. The NRG provides just enough softness and responsiveness to what is otherwise a pretty dull feeling string. The spin that the Tornado produces is phenomenal as its reviews state. Control is excellent as well, but is more of a function of the spin instead of actual directivity as with a string like Silverstring where you can pinpoint a spot and hit it. Great combination here.

Durability: Played with for 3 hours so far, minimal fraying of the NRG. String movement is decent, but it's a multifilament cross, so the crosses moving really isn't a big concern.

Overall: 8/10

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/7889/tornadoi.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/642/tornado2a.jpg

In the end:

Cut out due to boredom.

Overall: 80/100

pvaudio
11-22-2010, 03:23 PM
Stringing: Easy peasy to string the CT. Less coil memory than the Tornado. Again, NRG strings like butter so as long as you're careful, you should be fine. Tension: 57/60

Playability: Read the review of the Tornado above. These strings play almost identically except that the Cyber Twirl trades some spin potential for more feel. It's your choice. Personally, I can't pick between the two. I guess more play time will have to determine which is superior based on durability and longevity of the great playing characteristics.

Durability: Same as Tornado, a little less fraying of the T-Fibre.

Overall: 8/10

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9679/ct1v.jpg

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/286/ct2d.jpg

In the end:

Cut out due to boredom.

Overall: 80/100

pvaudio
11-22-2010, 03:31 PM
Stringing: No coil memory whatsoever with the MB. Strung up like PSG with just slightly more stiffness. The laserfibre, however, is even easier to string, but not as easy as NRG. Overall, no problems. Tension: 58/60

Playability: Jaw dropping. The feel that this setup provides is unparalleled. As I've stated many times, I feel that SNGPS is the best multifilament that money can buy and plays far superior to any of the budget natural guts out there. I'd put it just below Tonic because if you close your eyes, you can't tell the difference. The MB is a perfect match. It is a super responsive poly thanks to its gauge and construction, and the resiliency of the Laserfibre just enhances that. Spin? Look elsewhere, but the control is still top notch. You won't find a better net player's setup for the money unless you choose a cheaper multi.

Durability: This is the longest lasting setup that I have, and the Laserfibre is just starting to fray ever so slightly. Tension hasn't dropped either, so no complaints on that end.

Overall: 9/10

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4702/mb1i.jpg

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7839/mb2k.jpg

In the end:

WeissCANNON MosquitoBite 1.16 Vein Blue / Laserfibre SNGPS

Power: 8/10

Control: 8.5/10

Feel: 9.5/10

Spin: 7/10

Durability: 7/10

Tension Maintenance: 9.75/10

Total: 49.75/60

Final Total: 83/100

pvaudio
11-22-2010, 03:37 PM
Next review: Weiss Cannon Scorpion 1.22 / PerforMAXX WhisperTouch 1.20 Natural Gut (e*Bay)

jmhs
11-22-2010, 05:09 PM
Stringing: Stringing of the mains is fairly easy. Just make sure to not set the clamps too tightly as the Tornado is highly textured and you can shred the strings fairly easily if you're not careful. This is especially important if you do a full bed. Stringing the NRG is butter, nothing needs to be said there. All Pro knots on racquet. Tension: 57/60

Playability: Great racquet setup here. The NRG provides just enough softness and responsiveness to what is otherwise a pretty dull feeling string. The spin that the Tornado produces is phenomenal as its reviews state. Control is excellent as well, but is more of a function of the spin instead of actual directivity as with a string like Silverstring where you can pinpoint a spot and hit it. Great combination here.

Durability: Played with for 3 hours so far, minimal fraying of the NRG. String movement is decent, but it's a multifilament cross, so the crosses moving really isn't a big concern.

Overall: 8/10

Thanks muchly for this. Eager to hear what you think of this setup beyond 3 hrs.

Tennis_Crazed
11-22-2010, 06:25 PM
Next review: Weiss Cannon Scorpion 1.22 / PerforMAXX WhisperTouch 1.20 Natural Gut (e*Bay)

Great stuff. keep it coming

pvaudio
11-22-2010, 08:25 PM
Before I delve into the categories, a little background on this natty since many of you may not be familiar with it. This is the bumf from the e.Bay seller's page, so I didn't write this:

PERFORMAXX Natural Gut Strings are made by a company with long experience in producing natural gut strings for medical sutures, musical instruments and OEM racket strings for many of the top racket & string manufacturers. A product of the EU and USA, the quality is outstanding. Many of the top pros that do not stencil their strings use them. More information about them can found below.

Our premium Natural Gut string is designed specifically for players with an “All-round” game. A power and control balanced string designed for players with a smooth “Natural” swing and moderate racket head speed, it is comparatively soft and balances control and power making programming difficult shots easy while providing the feel and great shock absorption required to minimize stress and strain on your body. You will be surprised to find that Natural Touch can be strung at significantly lower tensions for better feel and durability while maintaining outstanding control and exceptional comfort. Great power, control, feel and comfort.

This is the description for the Whisper Touch string. I also have their string in 1.25 gauge, but have not used it.

The natural guts that I carry for stringing are the following:
Babolat Tonic 15L
Babolat VS Team 17g
Global Gut 17g
Klip Legend 17g
Pacific Prime 17g

I have used VS, Klip and Global in the mains, and those three plus tonic in the crosses (all as hybrids). In the mains, VS is the best by a long shot. In the crosses, VS is the best simply because it does not fray as badly, but the feel is better than Global and Tonic which are tied.

Since I cannot link to the Bay page, I'll describe the string's appearance. They say that they use a polyurethane coating like on furniture which gives it a glossy appearance and helps with stringing. Now, as is evident from my username, I have a strong basis in audio and thus in loudspeaker building and have used polyurethane to finish speaker cabinets many a time. Therefore, I know its properties: dries hard, dries clear and yet is flammable. The string that you receive is so clear, and I mean so transparent, that I did not believe for one second that it was natural gut. It looked like a natural colored version of Pro Supex syn gut original: it was that transparent. So, I figured that if they're telling the truth, that I could literally light the string on fire, which should make the polyurethane coating go up in flames quickly and reveal the gut below which should expand immediately. So.....that's what I did! I cut a 1" section off of the string, took a Bic to it, and immediately the entire thing burst into flames and quadrupled in size. There was a definite smell of polyurethane/lacquer and of burning flesh: this stuff truly is natural gut despite the crystal clear appearance.

Onto the actual playtest:

Stringing: Scorpion, like all WC strings, is a breeze to string. No coil memory, easy to tie off, easy on the fingers. Since it was just in the mains, no problems whatsoever. Now comes the interesting part: the crosses. The gut, when woven, is about as hard to weave as a low coil memory poly. Therefore, I'd put its ease of stringing in between a stiff multi and a soft poly, but definitely easier to weave than any of the other Babolat or Klip guts let alone the rope, I mean, Global gut. What's interesting is that the string looks crystal clear while weaving, but the moment you pull tension on it, it literally transforms before your eyes into a cloudy string where you can see the individual sinews and takes on an appearance identical to VS. You really need to see this to understand it: it looks crystal clear, to the point that I stepped on it multiple times because i saw right through it while it was on the carpet while I was doing the mains, but when tensioned, the fibrous nature is immediately apparent. Tension: 56.5 / 58.5

Playability: This is, without question, the best playing string setup that I have ever used in my entire life. Nothing else even compares. Honestly, not even VS crosses compare. I am not putting it to either string, but rather the combination of a crispy yet soft poly main and a natural gut cross. It just so happens that both strings happen to be the best of their respective breeds. The power is EFFORTLESS. Wrist flick shots are dime a dozen. You can modulate the amount of power simply by how much force you put behind each shot, OR, you can accelerate your racquet more quickly for more spin. Oh, the spin. This setup generates spin levels on par with some of the top textured strings. Why that is, I don't know, but the harder you hit (assuming you have a topspin generating stroke), the more the ball dives into the court at the last second. It only goes long when you flatten it out for no reason. Feel at the net is incredible, but then again, just about all natty setups are great at the net. I took off the rubber band and felt no increase in feel, but that'd be pretty difficult since the touch possible with this setup is pretty much untouchable, no pun intended.

Durability: All good things must come to an end: PerforMAXX does not lie or hide anything back in their descriptions. The WhisperTouch is definitely meant for those with a moderate swing speed with a flatter trajectory on most balls. Scorpion is not textured, and yet, after an hour and fifteen minutes of serving drills, the crosses are frayed more than all of the previously mentioned setups combined. I expect that in a match, the crosses are going after about a set if you're lucky. I think that the 1.30 or 1.25 is more appropriate for a modern topspin stroke...and they say as such in their advertising. I wanted the ultimate in playability so I chose the thinnest gauge and paid the price. So, expect to see me using the 1.25 as my next playtest cross string.

Overall: 9.25/10

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/889/scorp1f.jpg

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2295/scorp2.jpg

Well, the gut finally broke on me. Sorry, no pics as I dont' have a camera here. Either way, here's how it stacks up:

In the end:

WeissCANNON Scorpion 1.22 / PerforMAXX WhisperTouch 17L Natural Gut

Power: 8.5/10

Control: 9/10

Feel: 9.5/10

Spin: 8.75/10

Durability: 8/10

Tension Maintenance: 9.75/10

Total: 53.5/60

Final Total: 89/100

This one will certainly be hard to beat. The poly had long gone dead, but yet the gut just did its job and kept the feel to the point that it played like a low-feel poly setup. I honestly cannot see myself finding a better setup.

mikeler
11-23-2010, 04:28 AM
Great thread. Can you comment on the softness of Laserfibre SNGPS 17?

bad_call
11-23-2010, 06:48 AM
pvaudio - can u comment on which cross string lasts the longest and still acceptable in other attributes?

pvaudio
11-23-2010, 07:52 AM
Great thread. Can you comment on the softness of Laserfibre SNGPS 17?

SNGPS is as soft as VS Touch 16, regardless of what the stupid stiffness ratings say. I'm telling you, it is a cheap natural gut hidden as a multifilament. How Laserfibre did it, I don't know. Oh, and just so that you (the forum, I mean) don't think I'm biased towards them for some reason, I only learned about them a year ago when I joined here asking about the best multi and someone mentioned SNGPS. I scoffed at it being over SEVENTEEN DOLLARS!!! But, I bit the bullet once, and said it was the best string I'd ever used. At that time, I'd never played with natty before. Having now played with numerous natties, SNGPS is superior, IMO, to any budget gut by far, and is a closed-eye substitute for a good quality one.

pvaudio - can u comment on which cross string lasts the longest and still acceptable in other attributes?
I can do that! I have had years of experience with NRG 1.18. I've been using it since I was, hell, 15 years old maybe? It doesn't last long, but it frays so beautifully :D :
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3097/img0057b.jpg

SNGPS, which I have obviously used in the past, frays slightly then breaks compared to NRG's hairdo-like fraying above. I will update on which breaks first, but at this point, it seems pretty obvious as to which one that will be :-?

pvaudio
11-23-2010, 07:55 AM
I have a reel each of Mantis Comfort and Power Synthetic coming across the Atlantic this week (stupidly low price), so each of those will get a workout. Any polys you guys want to see play tested? Perhaps a full bed of a multi?

bad_call
11-23-2010, 08:05 AM
Scorpion 1.22 is one of my faves and typically cross with Gosen OGSM 17 for the price/performance. my experience has been that the multi crosses notch and somewhat "lock" the poly mains which i don't care for. curious if other synthetics or multis offer better performance (whilst keeping price reasonable). :)

btw - thanks for asking and sharing your stringing experience.

pepka
11-23-2010, 08:24 AM
Silverstring, SPPP or Energy hybrid with one of the Mantis strings please. Im a bit curious about "arm-friendliness" of such a setup

pvaudio
11-23-2010, 08:33 AM
Silverstring, SPPP or Energy hybrid with one of the Mantis strings please. Im a bit curious about "arm-friendliness" of such a setup
I have a reel each of Silverstring, SPPP, SPPHEXtreme and Polystar Turbo, so if you wanted, I could probably do that for you (turbo plays almost identically to energy; 16 ridges is far too many to increase ball bite). What one would you like first?

pepka
11-23-2010, 08:45 AM
^ As long as You're willing to sacrifice some of Your time and test it, i don't care for a particular order ;) But lets start with WCSS:)

finalfantasy7
11-23-2010, 09:00 AM
hi pvaudio, just wondering on few strings you could help me with (i use a k factor tour 90, 16x19) in your opinion what tension rating i should try and go for in these strings:

solinco tour bite 16L or 17?
mosquito bite 1.16?
signum pro tornado 1.23
gona use these as full bed, thanks


you asked what other strings you want to test with, heres a few:
isospeed control 1.30
solinco revolution
Polyfibre TCS 1.30
Kirschbaum Pro Line No. II 1.30
Polystar Strike 1.25

pvaudio
11-23-2010, 09:06 AM
hi pvaudio, just wondering on few strings you could help me with (i use a k factor tour 90, 16x19) in your opinion what tension rating i should try and go for in these strings:

solinco tour bite 16L or 17?
mosquito bite 1.16?
signum pro tornado 1.23
gona use these as full bed, thanks


you asked what other strings you want to test with, heres a few:
isospeed control 1.30
solinco revolution
Polyfibre TCS 1.30
Kirschbaum Pro Line No. II 1.30
Polystar Strike 1.25
Since I don't own that racquet and don't particularly like the feel of Wilson racquets (I've only ever played Dunlop since I was in 5th grade, seriously), I can't actually tell you what tension works best, only that Tour Bite (which I only have in 18 ) works well in the mid-high 50s for me, MB in the same and I like Tornado a bit higher, maybe 57-58. Tornado isn't soft, but it's not supposed to be and I like the extra crispness at a slightly higher tension.

Honestly, string them all at the same tension, and see which one you like best.If you had a Dunlop 100, 200 or 300, then I'd actually give some real advice since I've owned all of those frames :)

I don't have any of those other ones you listed there aside from pro line 2 and I have it in 1.15 and it is my least favorite poly. It launches balls, feels like pudding and IMO is a disgrace to the Kirschbaum name which I think is second only to Weiss Cannon for overall great string products.

mikeler
11-23-2010, 09:14 AM
I have a reel each of Mantis Comfort and Power Synthetic coming across the Atlantic this week (stupidly low price), so each of those will get a workout. Any polys you guys want to see play tested? Perhaps a full bed of a multi?


If you could string up a full job of Mantis Comfort and compare it to your favorite Laserfibre multi that would be interesting to compare the softness of those two.

finalfantasy7
11-23-2010, 09:16 AM
ok, thanks as ive just getting my tornado strung at 54lb- as i find my wilson lack power compared 2 babolat rackets -briefly used

finalfantasy7
11-23-2010, 11:52 AM
could you test some synthetic gut, as most people on this forum just talk about poly's > natural guts > multi's

pvaudio
11-23-2010, 01:18 PM
If you could string up a full job of Mantis Comfort and compare it to your favorite Laserfibre multi that would be interesting to compare the softness of those two.
This I can do. String should be here any time this week :)

pvaudio
11-23-2010, 01:20 PM
could you test some synthetic gut, as most people on this forum just talk about poly's > natural guts > multi's
What ones in particular? Aside from the two Mantis I mentioned, I have the following:

Forten Sweet 17
Gosen OG Sheep Micro 17
PSGD Blue 16g
PSGD White 18g
PSGO Black 15L
PSGO Gold 17
PSGO White 17
Prince Topspin Plus 16
Pro Supex FT Ruff 17
Pro Supex Spiral Flex 16
Pro Supex Titan 17
Pro Supex SynGut 18

kiteboard
11-23-2010, 01:21 PM
K 90: use blue gear ultra on mains/bbo on crosses. 46/50.

pvaudio
11-23-2010, 04:00 PM
Decided to add pictures to each playtest.

pvaudio
11-23-2010, 04:04 PM
Since I only (only????) have four racquets, we'll have to wait until I get bored with one of them (most likely the Tornado or CyberTwirl setup which loses tension quickest since I hit with a large amount of topspin and both provide such in spades). In the mean time, here's just a selection of photos I took at Cincinnati this year:

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/9021/feda.jpg

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/783/rafa3t.jpg

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/5294/dent7.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2710/fed8x.jpg

pvaudio
11-23-2010, 04:06 PM
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1934/troicki2.jpg

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7665/istomin3.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6959/rafaz.jpg

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/1386/fish2d.jpg

pvaudio
11-23-2010, 04:07 PM
Alright, that's enough tennis photos, wait until the next playtest. If someone is dead set on some combination, I'll do that. Whoever seems to want it the most, just post it and I'll do it next.

parasailing
11-23-2010, 08:33 PM
Pvaudio - can you send me the link you got the reel of the Mantis from for a good price? I will give this string a shot based on all the good reviews on this board.

mikeler
11-24-2010, 05:15 AM
Pvaudio - can you send me the link you got the reel of the Mantis from for a good price? I will give this string a shot based on all the good reviews on this board.


I could only find it here at TW.

pepka
11-24-2010, 06:32 AM
You can order it from Mantis UK site. Funny thing is that shipping to the US is 7 days, while for Europe 14 ;)

parasailing
11-24-2010, 09:12 AM
Pepka - I noticed in your signature you are using Kirschbaum Touch Multifibre. How would you compare it against Mantis Comfort?

bad_call
11-24-2010, 10:18 AM
nice photos...great action shots.

pvaudio
11-24-2010, 11:13 AM
Pvaudio - can you send me the link you got the reel of the Mantis from for a good price? I will give this string a shot based on all the good reviews on this board.
Can't post it here, but let's just say that they are in the UK and it's a "world" of fun to be a "stringer"! ;)

The string was on sale when I bought it, I don't know if it's gone to normal price or not.

parasailing
11-24-2010, 02:43 PM
Thanks for the hint pvaudio, now if only you would sell me a set of your SNPS even for a premium :).

trade
11-24-2010, 04:47 PM
PV Audio: Sorry to poach this question here, but I'd like your opinion of what string I should try. I'm 17, ranked in the top 25 in my USTA region, use a Head Youtek Mid+. I've a shot at playing at an okay D1 program...more likely top 10 D3. I like taking big cuts from the baseline.

I like a full bed of poly, especially at the low tensions. My wrist has been bothering me some...technique is sound...not sure if it's just the poly (mostly Cyclone and Spiky Shark, two that I really like in a full bed) or just a hint to lay off for a couple of weeks.

I'm looking for a spin friendly setup that allows me to swing big that won't hurt my arm. I work on weekends at a tennis club and get a discount on string, but budget is still a factor. Haven't tried hybrids because I don't know enough about what to combine without breaking my budget without having to buy reels (I need 21' feet for my mains). Would appreciate as much info as you are willing to provide. Thanks in advance.

kiteboard
11-24-2010, 04:56 PM
Spiky shark mains, forten sweet crosses, 46/50lbs.

trade
11-24-2010, 05:46 PM
Spiky shark mains, forten sweet crosses, 46/50lbs.

Thanks. That combo comes to about $13.38 a set (21 feet of 40 feet of SS in the mains (19 feet that I can't use) and 18 feet of Sweet for crosses would be $1.38 (kewl!), with another 18 feet of Sweet for the next round of crosses). $13.38 a set is doable if it works for me.

Hope your elbow is coming around. I'm not hitting for a week to rest my wrist--missed a big tournament this weekend. Argh.

nickarnold2000
11-24-2010, 06:36 PM
Can't post it here, but let's just say that they are in the UK and it's a "world" of fun to be a "stringer"! ;)

The string was on sale when I bought it, I don't know if it's gone to normal price or not.

They had a reel of Tornado on special there 2 weeks ago at $80 US! Shipping is also very reasonable.

kiteboard
11-24-2010, 07:59 PM
Thanks. Good thanksgiving for the nice comment! Forten sweet is a sweet syn gut, soften the ss, which is a soft poly to begin with. Tour bite also feels soft, and would be another one to try in the cross. $49/reel for forten sweet.

kiteboard
11-24-2010, 10:09 PM
I have a dunlop m-fil 200, 4 1/2 grip, with vs gut if you want to buy it, with plastic still on the handle.

pepka
11-25-2010, 01:27 AM
Pepka - I noticed in your signature you are using Kirschbaum Touch Multifibre. How would you compare it against Mantis Comfort?
Both are very comfortable strings (and i mean VERY), but nothing i tried can beat Mantis in that department (not gut related). Kirsch has more power which in my case is a con. Both have a nice feel but looks like Kirsch is providing a slightly better control (which is strange cuz i feel like the ball is sitting longer on a Mantis string). Mantis has more spin potential and looks like it will be more durable, (way more in my case). I played 4 hours with Kirsch (i know it has 1500+ fibres) but it looks worse than Mantis at the 10-12 hrs mark. Still a realy nice string, worth a try

dadozen
11-25-2010, 03:52 AM
pvaudio, not sure if you're looking to playtest a co-poly hybrid, but the one I'm using right now( see sig ) has a great feel, is super comfortable for a poly stringjob and offers suberb spin, power and control, even though they are not textured.

Whoever wants a soft co-poly stringjob, can't pass this one.

Cheers,

EDIT: Btw, great work!!!:)

proken7
11-25-2010, 02:18 PM
PVAudio

Can you try Black5Edge Power when its available?

Tks

pvaudio
11-28-2010, 11:44 AM
Yeah I'll try it out.

The Mantis reels have come in, but due to Thanksgiving break, they're locked up at the post office since I wasn't here on campus to get them :(

Only update that I have is that the Tornado and Cyber Twirl setups aren't being used that much haha. The Scorp/gut hybrid is so much better feeling than both. Interestingly, my sister prefers the MB/Laserfibre hybrid which she's actually stringing up now in her own shiny new Biomemetic Dunlop 200s (finally converted her :D ). I'll let her comment on that.

GameSetMatch
11-28-2010, 12:55 PM
You mentioned mid 50s, high 50s etc. Can you clarify what tensions you're stringing the poly and the multis at?

Also how long (hours) are you playtesting these strings for? Would be useful to get some info what sort of loss of control or feel you get with each string setup and over what timeframe.

pvaudio
11-28-2010, 02:50 PM
I've posted in each test what the tensions are my friend :)

Also, the strings haven't really been hit with since then aside from the scorp setup which has more fraying on the gut after another hour.

nvottennis
11-28-2010, 03:34 PM
please test bg ultra spin and compare with its original if you could :) I've been so curious about this

thebeast73
11-28-2010, 03:38 PM
nice all poly hybrid is solinco tour bite 18 on the mains and lux timo 18 on the crosses.

pvaudio
11-28-2010, 04:42 PM
nice all poly hybrid is solinco tour bite 18 on the mains and lux timo 18 on the crosses.
Hmm, I own both of these strings. Perhaps I will try this.

pvaudio
11-30-2010, 11:38 AM
Hmm, what might these be? :D

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/1754/powr.jpg

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/7671/comf.jpg

pepka
11-30-2010, 11:54 AM
^ Sweet :)

Swood010
11-30-2010, 12:13 PM
have you ever play tested Kirschbaum Pro line 2 1.30 or Tecnifibre black code 1.28? I dont know which poly to settle on or what would be a good cross with either string. Any ideas?

Thanks

pvaudio
11-30-2010, 12:55 PM
I have both of those in their smallest gauge. The PL2 plays like a marshmallow trampoline and the BC plays like the plastic that its reel is made of.

bad_call
11-30-2010, 01:00 PM
I have both of those in their smallest gauge. The PL2 plays like a marshmallow trampoline and the BC plays like the plastic that its reel is made of.

whimsical but accurate description IMO...:lol:

Swood010
11-30-2010, 02:23 PM
I have both of those in their smallest gauge. The PL2 plays like a marshmallow trampoline and the BC plays like the plastic that its reel is made of.

so you dont like either?
I play with a lot of topspin with a microgel Radical Pro (16x19) what type of poly or hybrid would you suggest? 5.0 player

Any feed back will be much appriecatied

pvaudio
11-30-2010, 02:26 PM
Do you like a lot of feel aka tend to come into the net, or are you more of a baseliner?

kiteboard
11-30-2010, 02:27 PM
Do you like crisp, soft, firm, spin, power, durability, control, cost, etc.?

bg for spin.

ash. kev. /alu for spin/durability

Vs team/blackcode for serve/volley touch/control

Barb wire/alu for pocketed spin

Crispness: og micro

finalfantasy7
11-30-2010, 02:44 PM
ive played with the black code 1.30mm, on my friend babolat didnt like it at all very plasticy n small trampoline affect, in my opinion pro tornado is way better. alot more control, better in every department - durability, power, spin, feel, tension

pvaudio
12-01-2010, 08:56 AM
I cannot stand black code. It's almost as overpriced as RPM Blast. At least RPM plays well until it dies...the second you take it out of your bag.

mikeler
12-01-2010, 09:24 AM
Does the Mantis Power have that awesome gluey smell that the Comfort has? :)

pvaudio
12-01-2010, 09:39 AM
:lol: It reminds me of Tempera paint from grade school art class. The Power has a sweeter smell, but still doesn't smell like roses :D

So which hybrid should I try next? I'll string up just about anything, so just let me know what you want to see. In fact, here's the list of strings I own:

Natural Guts:
Babolat Tonic 15L
Babolat VS Team 17g
Global Gut 17g
Klip Legend 17g
Pacific Prime 17g
Performaxx HighTension 1.25
Performaxx WhisperTouch 1.20

Multifilaments:
Alpha Gut 2000 18g
Gamma LiveWire XP 16g
Head C3 Rocket 17g
Head Rip Perfect Control 16g
Isospeed Professional Classic 17g
Laserfibre Supernatural Gut Pro Stock 17g
Mantis Comfort Synthetic 1.30
Mantis Power Synthetic 1.25
Pro Supex MaximTouch Original 17g
Technifibre NRG2 1.18mm
Technifibre X-One Biphase 1.18mm
Tourna Quasi Gut 17g
Wilson K-Gut 16g

Synthetic Guts:
Forten Sweet 17g
Gosen OG Sheep Micro 17g
Prince Synthetic Gut Duraflex Blue 16g
Prince Synthetic Gut Duraflex White 18g
Prince Synthetic Gut Original Black 15Lg
Prince Synthetic Gut Original Gold 17g
Prince Synthetic Gut Original White 17g
Prince Topspin Plus 16 Yellow 16g
Pro Supex FT Ruff 17g
Pro Supex Spiral Flex 16g
Pro Supex SynGut Titan 17g
Pro Supex Synthetic Gut 18g


Smooth Polyester:
Genesis Black Magic 17g
Kirschbaum Pro Line II 1.15
Luxilon Adrenaline 1.25
Luxilon Big Banger Ace 1.12
Luxilon Big Banger ALU Power 1.25
Luxilon Big Banger ALU Power Fluro 1.23
Luxilon Big Banger M2 Pro 1.30
Luxilon Big Banger Timo 1.10
Pro Supex Big Ace Micro 1.15
Signum Pro Poly Plasma
Solinco Tour Bite 18g
Technifibre Pro Red Code 17g
Topspin Cyber Blue 17g
Topspin Cyber Flash 17g
Tourna Poly Big Hitter Blue 17g
WeissCANNON Mosquito Bite 1.16
WeissCANNON Scorpion 1.22
WeissCANNON Silverstring 1.20

Textured Polyester:
Babolat Pro Hurricane Tour 17g
Babolat RPM Blast 16g
Genesis Hexonic 1.09
Genesis SpinX 17
Genesis Typhoon 16L
Kirschbaum Spiky Shark 1.30
Luxilon Big Banger ALU Power Rough 1.25
MSV Hex 1.10
Polystar Turbo 17g
Pro Supex Blue Gear 18g
Signum Pro Plasma HEXtreme 17g
Signum Pro Tornado 1.23
Technifibre Black Code 1.18
Topspin Cyber Twirl 1.27
WeissCANNON Turbotwist 1.18

Will soon be carrying (on their way right now):

PolyFibre Hexablade 1.18
Volkl Cyclone 17g
WeissCANNON Explosiv! 1.30

Anything besides those last 3 that looks like a good play test combination?

mikeler
12-01-2010, 10:28 AM
I bumped your thread up to 4 stars. No way is this a 3 star thread. Too much good info!

nvottennis
12-01-2010, 11:13 AM
klip legend/bg 18

finalfantasy7
12-01-2010, 01:57 PM
pvaudio could you compare the difference between the:
Performaxx HighTension 1.25
Performaxx WhisperTouch 1.20

ive read your review of the whispertouch with scorpian - whhat tension did you have for both? because my cousin just got me few of the whispertouch 1.20 from america today

pvaudio
12-01-2010, 06:24 PM
pvaudio could you compare the difference between the:
Performaxx HighTension 1.25
Performaxx WhisperTouch 1.20

ive read your review of the whispertouch with scorpian - whhat tension did you have for both? because my cousin just got me few of the whispertouch 1.20 from america today
The HT does not give as much feel, but it does last longer. Compare them (relatively speaking, obviously) to VS Team 17 vs VS Touch 16.

Swood010
12-02-2010, 06:49 AM
Do you like a lot of feel aka tend to come into the net, or are you more of a baseliner?

i'm a baseliner but i do end up at the net for alot of my points, but wouldnt classify that as a player who plays the net.

Do you like crisp, soft, firm, spin, power, durability, control, cost, etc.?

bg for spin.

ash. kev. /alu for spin/durability

Vs team/blackcode for serve/volley touch/control

Barb wire/alu for pocketed spin

Crispness: og micro

i'm most concerned with durability but i dont want m\the racket to be to stiff from the string bed. and cost is a high priority but wont mind paying the extra if it makes a difference.

mikeler
12-02-2010, 06:52 AM
i'm a baseliner but i do end up at the net for alot of my points, but wouldnt classify that as a player who plays the net.



i'm most concerned with durability but i dont want m\the racket to be to stiff from the string bed. and cost is a high priority but wont mind paying the extra if it makes a difference.


Give Prince Pro Blend a try. It's Kevlar mains with synthetic gut crosses to soften it up. When I used to put string savers in that setup I could not break it before it went dead.

pvaudio
12-05-2010, 03:03 PM
Alrighty, I will be cutting out two stringbeds tonight (the cyber twirl and mosquito bite), and re-stringing. What hybrids? I'm assuming something involving mantis. My reel of Cyclone just showed up last week, so add Cyclone 17 to the possibilities. What two hybrids should I test drive?

nvottennis
12-05-2010, 03:21 PM
bg/tonic please! by the way, how can you afford to keep such a stock by yourself as a student?

GoodSamaritan
12-05-2010, 03:31 PM
Id like to see a Cyclone / Gosen OG Micro 17 hybrid

BlxTennis
12-05-2010, 04:43 PM
pvaudio, this is good stuff.

pvaudio
12-06-2010, 09:28 AM
bg/tonic please! by the way, how can you afford to keep such a stock by yourself as a student?
Tennis is my favorite sport, but audio electronics and loudspeakers are my first passion. I design loudspeakers, amplifiers and consult on home theatre acoustics as my primary income. Thus, the name PV Audio is the name of my business :)

pepka
12-06-2010, 09:39 AM
Mantis Comfort/Silverstring, Scorpion or Turbotwist please:)

Preston
12-06-2010, 10:18 AM
:lol: It reminds me of Tempera paint from grade school art class. The Power has a sweeter smell, but still doesn't smell like roses :D

So which hybrid should I try next? I'll string up just about anything, so just let me know what you want to see. In fact, here's the list of strings I own:

Natural Guts:
Babolat Tonic 15L
Babolat VS Team 17g
Global Gut 17g
Klip Legend 17g
Pacific Prime 17g
Performaxx HighTension 1.25
Performaxx WhisperTouch 1.20

Multifilaments:
Alpha Gut 2000 18g
Gamma LiveWire XP 16g
Head C3 Rocket 17g
Head Rip Perfect Control 16g
Isospeed Professional Classic 17g
Laserfibre Supernatural Gut Pro Stock 17g
Mantis Comfort Synthetic 1.30
Mantis Power Synthetic 1.25
Pro Supex MaximTouch Original 17g
Technifibre NRG2 1.18mm
Technifibre X-One Biphase 1.18mm
Tourna Quasi Gut 17g
Wilson K-Gut 16g

Synthetic Guts:
Forten Sweet 17g
Gosen OG Sheep Micro 17g
Prince Synthetic Gut Duraflex Blue 16g
Prince Synthetic Gut Duraflex White 18g
Prince Synthetic Gut Original Black 15Lg
Prince Synthetic Gut Original Gold 17g
Prince Synthetic Gut Original White 17g
Prince Topspin Plus 16 Yellow 16g
Pro Supex FT Ruff 17g
Pro Supex Spiral Flex 16g
Pro Supex SynGut Titan 17g
Pro Supex Synthetic Gut 18g


Smooth Polyester:
Genesis Black Magic 17g
Kirschbaum Pro Line II 1.15
Luxilon Adrenaline 1.25
Luxilon Big Banger Ace 1.12
Luxilon Big Banger ALU Power 1.25
Luxilon Big Banger ALU Power Fluro 1.23
Luxilon Big Banger M2 Pro 1.30
Luxilon Big Banger Timo 1.10
Pro Supex Big Ace Micro 1.15
Signum Pro Poly Plasma
Solinco Tour Bite 18g
Technifibre Pro Red Code 17g
Topspin Cyber Blue 17g
Topspin Cyber Flash 17g
Tourna Poly Big Hitter Blue 17g
WeissCANNON Mosquito Bite 1.16
WeissCANNON Scorpion 1.22
WeissCANNON Silverstring 1.20

Textured Polyester:
Babolat Pro Hurricane Tour 17g
Babolat RPM Blast 16g
Genesis Hexonic 1.09
Genesis SpinX 17
Genesis Typhoon 16L
Kirschbaum Spiky Shark 1.30
Luxilon Big Banger ALU Power Rough 1.25
MSV Hex 1.10
Polystar Turbo 17g
Pro Supex Blue Gear 18g
Signum Pro Plasma HEXtreme 17g
Signum Pro Tornado 1.23
Technifibre Black Code 1.18
Topspin Cyber Twirl 1.27
WeissCANNON Turbotwist 1.18

Will soon be carrying (on their way right now):

PolyFibre Hexablade 1.18
Volkl Cyclone 17g
WeissCANNON Explosiv! 1.30

Anything besides those last 3 that looks like a good play test combination?

Test out a hybrid with SpinX(red) mains please. Very interested to hear your thoughts there. You have said good things about Typhoon and that is in my fav list.

nvottennis
12-06-2010, 12:51 PM
Tennis is my favorite sport, but audio electronics and loudspeakers are my first passion. I design loudspeakers, amplifiers and consult on home theatre acoustics as my primary income. Thus, the name PV Audio is the name of my business :)

and I'm assuming you must be doing well in that since thats a heck load of strings

pvaudio
12-07-2010, 09:19 AM
and I'm assuming you must be doing well in that since thats a heck load of stringsBeen at it since 2004 :)

pvaudio
12-07-2010, 09:26 AM
All playtesting is on hold until I can drop my 103deg fever :(

mikeler
12-07-2010, 09:35 AM
All playtesting is on hold until I can drop my 103deg fever :(


Yikes! Rest up, you'll be back out on the court before you know it.

finalfantasy7
12-07-2010, 09:37 AM
just wondering pv audio when u tried ur whispertouch mains- scorpian crosses, at what tension did u have both, because my cousin from america got me few strings (those 2 strings aswell), wana try it

Preston
12-07-2010, 10:53 AM
All playtesting is on hold until I can drop my 103deg fever :(

Not cool man, I feel your pain there. I was down for 4 days after Thanks Giving. Get well and test some SpinX :twisted:

pvaudio
12-10-2010, 04:34 PM
Alrighty, fever has abated. Just have to let the chest congestion get under control, then it's back to stringing and playtesting! I have never been this sick before, 5 days with a fever, five! Oh well, at least it's gone for the most part. Nothing like having your strength back!

Anyway, what two string setups should I try next? I haven't played for forever, and for some reason my Hexablade and Explosiv! are delayed in England ( :mad: ), so I won't have those on hand to add to the list. I guess there's lost of interest in the Mantis strings, so what sort of setup should I use? I'll use a combination of whomever posts first and the number of request for a specific string from my list on the previous page to decide the two setups.

pepka
12-10-2010, 05:00 PM
Mantis Comfort/Silverstring, Scorpion or Turbotwist please:)

Nice to hear that You're better:) Give my hybrid a try please

BlxTennis
12-10-2010, 05:02 PM
pvaudio, thankgoodness you are feeling better. I have a question. On another thread you said you have LaserFibre SuperNatural Gut Pro. When did you order it? I want to order and try that string too but there are threads about how difficult it is when dealing with the company and that made me think twice.

Netspirit
12-10-2010, 06:23 PM
pvaudio, did you do any performaxx natural gut reviews (did I miss them)? i wonder how far or close it is from/to vs team 17.

kiteboard
12-10-2010, 06:27 PM
pvaudio, thankgoodness you are feeling better. I have a question. On another thread you said you have LaserFibre SuperNatural Gut Pro. When did you order it? I want to order and try that string too but there are threads about how difficult it is when dealing with the company and that made me think twice.

I paid for a set two weeks ago, and nothing.

Netspirit
12-10-2010, 06:34 PM
^ hopefully you used paypal (you have 60 days to submit a dispute)

Here (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=358905) someone claims he ordered the strings on 1/19 and received on 12/1, basically just a week ago.

pvaudio
12-10-2010, 07:02 PM
Nice to hear that You're better:) Give my hybrid a try please
Thank you for your kindness. First up in Scorpion/Mantis Comfort. :)
pvaudio, thankgoodness you are feeling better. I have a question. On another thread you said you have LaserFibre SuperNatural Gut Pro. When did you order it? I want to order and try that string too but there are threads about how difficult it is when dealing with the company and that made me think twice.I ordered mine in late August, literally I think it was the 29th, and got it about 7-8 days later. I have never had a bad experience with LF.

pvaudio, did you do any performaxx natural gut reviews (did I miss them)? i wonder how far or close it is from/to vs team 17.I did. I crossed Weisscannon Scorpion with it and it's my favorite setup ever.

I paid for a set two weeks ago, and nothing. :(

^ hopefully you used paypal (you have 60 days to submit a dispute)

Here (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=358905) someone claims he ordered the strings on 1/19 and received on 12/1, basically just a week ago.
The guy ordered on 11/19, not 1/19. And yes, make sure to use PayPal so that if all goes badly, then you have recourse. Honestly, just order the strings and email or call them two days later to see if it's shipped. If not, wait another day or two then call again. It most likely has been shipped. Same goes for any other company with bad customer service i.e. Eagnas. Order online, then contact by phone or email to make sure they know that you're serious.

pvaudio
12-10-2010, 07:02 PM
Alright, we have one setup down: Scorpion/Mantis Comfort.

Need one more :)

pepka
12-10-2010, 07:23 PM
Thanks a million :)

nvottennis
12-10-2010, 10:03 PM
Alright, we have one setup down: Scorpion/Mantis Comfort.

Need one more :)

my suggestion of the tonic/ bg would be highly appreciated :D

pvaudio
12-11-2010, 05:16 AM
my suggestion of the tonic/ bg would be highly appreciated :D:( I can't really test the Tonic as I only have a single set of it. Any other gut (aside from VS, that's too expensive) you want to see? Any of the other ones I have in >1 quantity.

finalfantasy7
12-11-2010, 06:13 PM
pvaudio- can u remember what tension u had on the whisper n scorpian combination, because people say ur crosses should be really around 2pounds lighter than mains 2 create a bigger sweetspot. With the scorpian being put in around 52lbs n whisper peforming (as a natural gut at higher lbs) so around 57+. Would like to know what tension u had urs

nvottennis
12-11-2010, 06:25 PM
:( I can't really test the Tonic as I only have a single set of it. Any other gut (aside from VS, that's too expensive) you want to see? Any of the other ones I have in >1 quantity.

ohh, ok, thats reasonable. Klip legend then please? I've been interested in buying this as a substitute for tonic or vs

pvaudio
12-14-2010, 10:26 PM
ohh, ok, thats reasonable. Klip legend then please? I've been interested in buying this as a substitute for tonic or vs
Klip Legend mains or crosses?

pvaudio
12-14-2010, 10:27 PM
pvaudio- can u remember what tension u had on the whisper n scorpian combination, because people say ur crosses should be really around 2pounds lighter than mains 2 create a bigger sweetspot. With the scorpian being put in around 52lbs n whisper peforming (as a natural gut at higher lbs) so around 57+. Would like to know what tension u had urs
Yep. The Scorpion as I said was strung at 56.5lbs, the gut at 58.5lbs.

pvaudio
12-14-2010, 10:31 PM
Alrighty, two frames are empty. One shall be strung with Scorpion/Mantis CS. What should the other one be strung with? I will use the Tornado stick to string with Scorpion/gut to make sure that I at least have two frames which are identical. I heard a call for Klip Legend and Pro Supex Blue Gear?

Tmano
12-15-2010, 05:24 AM
I can't keep up with you guys!!!!too much good info....good job PVAUDIO

pvaudio
12-15-2010, 06:12 AM
Come on guys, still need that final setup! If it's Legend and Blue gear, I need to know what configuration it's supposed to be strung in.

kiteboard
12-15-2010, 07:26 AM
Thank you for your kindness. First up in Scorpion/Mantis Comfort. :)
I ordered mine in late August, literally I think it was the 29th, and got it about 7-8 days later. I have never had a bad experience with LF.

I did. I crossed Weisscannon Scorpion with it and it's my favorite setup ever.

:(


The guy ordered on 11/19, not 1/19. And yes, make sure to use PayPal so that if all goes badly, then you have recourse. Honestly, just order the strings and email or call them two days later to see if it's shipped. If not, wait another day or two then call again. It most likely has been shipped. Same goes for any other company with bad customer service i.e. Eagnas. Order online, then contact by phone or email to make sure they know that you're serious.

Still no string, so I filed a paypal claim, as there was no response, and they have it listed as shipped with tracking number, no string.

kiteboard
12-15-2010, 07:29 AM
I have blue gear crossed with vs team, with bgu, with forten sweet, with alu power, and with global gut, and a full set of bg.

pvaudio
12-15-2010, 08:43 AM
Muah ha ha! Look what England just delivered :D :

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9765/hexablade.jpg

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/235/explosiv.jpg

pvaudio
12-15-2010, 08:53 AM
Still no string, so I filed a paypal claim, as there was no response, and they have it listed as shipped with tracking number, no string.
That's so strange. I don't know why their CS is so sporadic. I have never once had a single issue. I've always gotten everything within a week.

pvaudio
12-15-2010, 12:43 PM
Well, I have some interesting news. I have been trying tirelessly to find a frame that I love as much as the AG100. I still remember the first time I hit with it. I had been using the AG200 for about a year previously, so I decided to demo the 100 and the new 4D 200 (at the time). Didn't like the 4D. The moment I hit my first backhand with the AG100, I couldn't put it down. Ever since then, I haven't even considered anything else.

Now, unfortunately, it's getting to be an issue since having been discontinued for a while, models in my spec (4 1/2) are very hard to find. So, I started demoing frames and hated all of them. The AG100's stiffness is what I absolutely love, and no racquet could match the feel. So what did I do? Yesterday I realized that the demo that I used years ago was a 4 3/8 like all demos. So I now have four used AG100s in 3/8 grip size on the way at the moment. I'll have to get used to it, but unlike when I tried the 4 5/8 size, I can easily play with a size 3 grip.

So, ladies and gentlemen, I effectively have eight frames to choose from now. So, if there's any combinations that you want to see, I've got plenty of sticks to use haha. Do please try to keep to things which come in reels and not very much natural gut as it is very expensive (obviously). My string list is listed above, and so far the only setup that is going to happen is Scorpion 1.22 / Mantis CS. Someone wanted Klip and Blue Gear but didn't specify which way the hybrid would be done. So, please, if you're requesting something, tell me exactly what you want to see!

parasailing
12-15-2010, 12:47 PM
Still no string, so I filed a paypal claim, as there was no response, and they have it listed as shipped with tracking number, no string.

That sucks kiteboard that you still haven't gotten your strings. I still can't believe a company would treat their customers like this.

pvaudio
12-15-2010, 02:23 PM
That sucks kiteboard that you still haven't gotten your strings. I still can't believe a company would treat their customers like this. I always err on the side of caution with them. One of my 6 sets was NOT pro stock, and I could tell that it wasn't because it didn't look the same. Upon reading the marking on the string, I was right. So you can get your products, you just have to be conscious that they aren't the shiniest penny in the bank.

parasailing
12-16-2010, 02:52 PM
Pvaudio - came across performaxx strings and they have several products in their lineup. Which one did u test, was it uthe touch version and did u try both coated and uncoated version?

So on the laserfibre, did u ask them to send u the correct one?

pvaudio
12-16-2010, 07:17 PM
I have both. I have the 1.25 High-Tension and the 1.20 WhisperTouch. I prefer the latter and still string it high.

Irakli
12-16-2010, 10:00 PM
[QUOTE=pvaudio;5257209]Muah ha ha! Look what England just delivered :D :

Hi pvaudio.

Sorry for being off topic here, but was just wondering - in what time did "England" (I assume you ordered from stringers world) deliver those? The thing is, I have an open order, which they sent on 03/12, today is 17/12, and still no item and no info from the carrier - all this time when trying to track the order with the number "England" provided I get "Information on your item is not yet available. If the International Signed For® item was posted today please note that the majority of items are tracked during the night. Please try again tomorrow" message from Royalmail web-site.

I assume it takes time as I don't want to think that there's a problem with my order. Please let me know how it worked out at your end.

Again, apologies for being off-topic.

Thanks,
Irakli

parasailing
12-16-2010, 11:21 PM
I have both. I have the 1.25 High-Tension and the 1.20 WhisperTouch. I prefer the latter and still string it high.

Which one plays closest to VS Touch and did you opt for the coated or uncoated version and why?

pvaudio
12-17-2010, 01:12 PM
Which one plays closest to VS Touch and did you opt for the coated or uncoated version and why?
Neither plays like VS. I prefer the P.Maxx to any other gut aside from VS Team, however.

I chose to go with the coated version to make it easier to string and to allow the mains to slide a bit more easily without shredding the thin string. I don't know if Whisper is available in the Pro designation, but I can ask Fred and see.

pvaudio
12-17-2010, 01:14 PM
Alrighty gentlemen, here are the upcoming play testing frames:

1. WeissCANNON Scorpion 1.22 / P.MAXX WhisperTouch
2. WeissCANNON Scorpion 1.22 / Mantis Comfort Synthetic
3. Polyfibre Hexablade 1.18 / P.MAXX WhisperTouch
4. Polyfibre Hexablade 1.18 / Mantis CS or WC Explosiv! (haven't decided)

Any other choices?

pepka
12-17-2010, 01:57 PM
Can't wait for Your opinion (looks like hexablade might be a wicked string). I have another one if it's not to much. NRG2 mains, WCSS crosses. I never saw anyone with this reversed hybrid, might be good;)

pvaudio
12-17-2010, 02:13 PM
Can't wait for Your opinion (looks like hexablade might be a wicked string). I have another one if it's not to much. NRG2 mains, WCSS crosses. I never saw anyone with this reversed hybrid, might be good;)
Already have done it! Not that good. Even did VS Team / SS. The SS mutes the multi far too much. You actually get a lot better performance as a poly main. Did the same thing with NRG/Turbotwist and the results were the same. My sister can attest to this as she tried this as well. She's on here somewhere, iTennis2609.

kiteboard
12-17-2010, 02:32 PM
That sucks kiteboard that you still haven't gotten your strings. I still can't believe a company would treat their customers like this.

Never going to order anymore from them. I would advise anyone else not to as well..

pvaudio
12-17-2010, 02:44 PM
[QUOTE=pvaudio;5257209]Muah ha ha! Look what England just delivered :D :

Hi pvaudio.

Sorry for being off topic here, but was just wondering - in what time did "England" (I assume you ordered from stringers world) deliver those? The thing is, I have an open order, which they sent on 03/12, today is 17/12, and still no item and no info from the carrier - all this time when trying to track the order with the number "England" provided I get "Information on your item is not yet available. If the International Signed For® item was posted today please note that the majority of items are tracked during the night. Please try again tomorrow" message from Royalmail web-site.

I assume it takes time as I don't want to think that there's a problem with my order. Please let me know how it worked out at your end.

Again, apologies for being off-topic.

Thanks,
Irakli
Yes, it did take much longer than usual. It's usually within a week, but it was closer to two this time. Apparently there are HUGE back ups across the Atlantic. I've ordered from Stringer's World countless times and this is the only time it was delayed.

pepka
12-17-2010, 03:01 PM
Already have done it! Not that good. Even did VS Team / SS. The SS mutes the multi far too much. You actually get a lot better performance as a poly main. Did the same thing with NRG/Turbotwist and the results were the same. My sister can attest to this as she tried this as well. She's on here somewhere, iTennis2609.
I see, ok than, good to know. How long the hybrid lasts with SS in mains? Do they saw thru the NRG2 or do they become dead first?

pvaudio
12-17-2010, 05:25 PM
I see, ok than, good to know. How long the hybrid lasts with SS in mains? Do they saw thru the NRG2 or do they become dead first?
Good question actually, without an obvious answer! Silverstring has an incredible amount of feel for a polyester, and I think that it's the elasticity of the string that gives it the feel. In my experience, the string would go dead before you completely saw through the NRG. Then again, I didn't particularly like the setup so I ended up cutting it out prematurely.

pepka
12-17-2010, 05:44 PM
^ Thanks. I didn't have a chance to try many polys but SS was def one of my favourites. When my shoulder heals, i'll try to find a nice cross for it. Any suggestions?

pvaudio
12-17-2010, 08:01 PM
^ Thanks. I didn't have a chance to try many polys but SS was def one of my favourites. When my shoulder heals, i'll try to find a nice cross for it. Any suggestions?WC Explosiv! should be a nice cross.

-Bobo-
12-17-2010, 10:53 PM
Hey pvaudio, based on your review of performaxx gut i figured i'd give it a try and bought a set of touch 16. Haven't used gut in more then a decade can't really remember what its like and all that, but I'm wondering what to string it at and whether i should hyrbid. I was going to put it in the mains and put SS in the crosses but after reading your post on SS with gut mains it seems to mute the feel?

I've never tried SS before so I'm wondering if you or anyone can tell me some strings it plays like. I've tried SPPP and hated it, i've heard they have a similiar feel, is this true?

It occurred to me that racquet and usual tension would be useful. I play with a blx 90 with full poly in the high 40's to low 50's, usually 47, been having some arm issues so figured gut would be the way to go.

Cheers,

Bobo.

hoodjem
12-18-2010, 12:02 PM
Where does one get Laserfibre SNGPS?

klementine79
12-18-2010, 01:11 PM
Thread of the Year !!!!!!

Great info and .... and thank you very much PVAudio!!, for the effort and care!!!!

The Mods need to 'sticky' this one.

pvaudio
12-18-2010, 03:17 PM
I should now have eight new to me, AG100s:

2x E Bay
2x dcjtenn
3x rabbit
1x Another TW member whose name I haven't figured out yet

I think I'm going a bit overboard :D

Either way, I'll get my AG100s, put in the Scorpion/MCS, Hexablade/P.MAXX, so what else! I decided I will not be play testing until I get all of my new 4 3/8 racquets which should be in on Monday at the earliest.

Dominik
12-18-2010, 04:08 PM
I should now have eight new to me, AG100s:

2x E Bay
2x dcjtenn
3x rabbit
1x Another TW member whose name I haven't figured out yet

I think I'm going a bit overboard :D

Either way, I'll get my AG100s, put in the Scorpion/MCS, Hexablade/P.MAXX, so what else! I decided I will not be play testing until I get all of my new 4 3/8 racquets which should be in on Monday at the earliest.

Wow, you must really not like the 4D's/biomimetics! Maybe I should try an original AG100.

Just wondering, have you ever tried a thin gauge kevlar crossed with a soft multi?

kiteboard
12-18-2010, 05:25 PM
I've crossed 18g ash. kev. with gut. In a stiff frame, secret, and it felt pretty solid, but not enough power, as all ash. hybrids.

parasailing
12-18-2010, 05:45 PM
I should now have eight new to me, AG100s:

2x E Bay
2x dcjtenn
3x rabbit
1x Another TW member whose name I haven't figured out yet

I think I'm going a bit overboard :D



You definitely getting there but I used to have 7 Prostaff KPS so I am not far behind plus with that many racquets, it allows you to test out all the different string setups. :)

pvaudio
12-19-2010, 01:10 PM
You definitely getting there but I used to have 7 Prostaff KPS so I am not far behind plus with that many racquets, it allows you to test out all the different string setups. :)Ah my friend, but I already have four in use AG100 4 1/2s and 2 not in use AG100 4 5/8s, so that's 14 AG100s in total :D

Irakli
12-20-2010, 05:00 AM
[QUOTE=Irakli;5260548]
Yes, it did take much longer than usual. It's usually within a week, but it was closer to two this time. Apparently there are HUGE back ups across the Atlantic. I've ordered from Stringer's World countless times and this is the only time it was delayed.

Thanks for the reply.

Mine still is not yet delivered (17 days passed :???: ), I can't even track the order, each time I get "Information on your item is not yet available" message, I wonder when this "yet" gonna be over...

Thanks again,
Irakli

StringingPro
12-20-2010, 07:24 AM
Before I delve into the categories, a little background on this natty since many of you may not be familiar with it. This is the bumf from the e.Bay seller's page, so I didn't write this:



This is the description for the Whisper Touch string. I also have their string in 1.25 gauge, but have not used it.

The natural guts that I carry for stringing are the following:
Babolat Tonic 15L
Babolat VS Team 17g
Global Gut 17g
Klip Legend 17g
Pacific Prime 17g

I have used VS, Klip and Global in the mains, and those three plus tonic in the crosses (all as hybrids). In the mains, VS is the best by a long shot. In the crosses, VS is the best simply because it does not fray as badly, but the feel is better than Global and Tonic which are tied.

Since I cannot link to the Bay page, I'll describe the string's appearance. They say that they use a polyurethane coating like on furniture which gives it a glossy appearance and helps with stringing. Now, as is evident from my username, I have a strong basis in audio and thus in loudspeaker building and have used polyurethane to finish speaker cabinets many a time. Therefore, I know its properties: dries hard, dries clear and yet is flammable. The string that you receive is so clear, and I mean so transparent, that I did not believe for one second that it was natural gut. It looked like a natural colored version of Pro Supex syn gut original: it was that transparent. So, I figured that if they're telling the truth, that I could literally light the string on fire, which should make the polyurethane coating go up in flames quickly and reveal the gut below which should expand immediately. So.....that's what I did! I cut a 1" section off of the string, took a Bic to it, and immediately the entire thing burst into flames and quadrupled in size. There was a definite smell of polyurethane/lacquer and of burning flesh: this stuff truly is natural gut despite the crystal clear appearance.

Onto the actual playtest:

Stringing: Scorpion, like all WC strings, is a breeze to string. No coil memory, easy to tie off, easy on the fingers. Since it was just in the mains, no problems whatsoever. Now comes the interesting part: the crosses. The gut, when woven, is about as hard to weave as a low coil memory poly. Therefore, I'd put its ease of stringing in between a stiff multi and a soft poly, but definitely easier to weave than any of the other Babolat or Klip guts let alone the rope, I mean, Global gut. What's interesting is that the string looks crystal clear while weaving, but the moment you pull tension on it, it literally transforms before your eyes into a cloudy string where you can see the individual sinews and takes on an appearance identical to VS. You really need to see this to understand it: it looks crystal clear, to the point that I stepped on it multiple times because i saw right through it while it was on the carpet while I was doing the mains, but when tensioned, the fibrous nature is immediately apparent. Tension: 56.5 / 58.5

Playability: This is, without question, the best playing string setup that I have ever used in my entire life. Nothing else even compares. Honestly, not even VS crosses compare. I am not putting it to either string, but rather the combination of a crispy yet soft poly main and a natural gut cross. It just so happens that both strings happen to be the best of their respective breeds. The power is EFFORTLESS. Wrist flick shots are dime a dozen. You can modulate the amount of power simply by how much force you put behind each shot, OR, you can accelerate your racquet more quickly for more spin. Oh, the spin. This setup generates spin levels on par with some of the top textured strings. Why that is, I don't know, but the harder you hit (assuming you have a topspin generating stroke), the more the ball dives into the court at the last second. It only goes long when you flatten it out for no reason. Feel at the net is incredible, but then again, just about all natty setups are great at the net. I took off the rubber band and felt no increase in feel, but that'd be pretty difficult since the touch possible with this setup is pretty much untouchable, no pun intended.

Durability: All good things must come to an end: PerforMAXX does not lie or hide anything back in their descriptions. The WhisperTouch is definitely meant for those with a moderate swing speed with a flatter trajectory on most balls. Scorpion is not textured, and yet, after an hour and fifteen minutes of serving drills, the crosses are frayed more than all of the previously mentioned setups combined. I expect that in a match, the crosses are going after about a set if you're lucky. I think that the 1.30 or 1.25 is more appropriate for a modern topspin stroke...and they say as such in their advertising. I wanted the ultimate in playability so I chose the thinnest gauge and paid the price. So, expect to see me using the 1.25 as my next playtest cross string.

Overall: 9.25/10

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/889/scorp1f.jpg

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2295/scorp2.jpg
Hello, I am the manufacturer of Performaxx strings, and hope my generic comments are welcome in this forum.

Thank you for your thoughtful review of WhisperTouch.
I would like to make one suggestion. Be very careful inhaling the smoke from any plastic or other chemical; in the case of polyurethane, the smoke contains cyanide which is not at all good for your game - or you life expectancy.

The meat smell is burning protein and is indicative of both natural gut and "protein like materials such as nylon (polyamide).

All "coated" natural gut that I have ever seen uses some form of polyurethane or polyurea finish on it; some is isocyanate with a polyol to cure it, some are moisture cured PU, others are pre-reacted poly urethanes and others are less expensive mixture of acrylics and PU. The best are cured (also know as thermoset) coatings which are more resistant to heat after curing, the lesser are "thermoplastic" which means they soften with heat. Most synthetics use extruded thermoplastic coatings.

I hope this is of interest.

A question, are the notches in the frayed string shown above in the mains?

StringingPro
12-20-2010, 07:25 AM
Before I delve into the categories, a little background on this natty since many of you may not be familiar with it. This is the bumf from the e.Bay seller's page, so I didn't write this:



This is the description for the Whisper Touch string. I also have their string in 1.25 gauge, but have not used it.

The natural guts that I carry for stringing are the following:
Babolat Tonic 15L
Babolat VS Team 17g
Global Gut 17g
Klip Legend 17g
Pacific Prime 17g

I have used VS, Klip and Global in the mains, and those three plus tonic in the crosses (all as hybrids). In the mains, VS is the best by a long shot. In the crosses, VS is the best simply because it does not fray as badly, but the feel is better than Global and Tonic which are tied.

Since I cannot link to the Bay page, I'll describe the string's appearance. They say that they use a polyurethane coating like on furniture which gives it a glossy appearance and helps with stringing. Now, as is evident from my username, I have a strong basis in audio and thus in loudspeaker building and have used polyurethane to finish speaker cabinets many a time. Therefore, I know its properties: dries hard, dries clear and yet is flammable. The string that you receive is so clear, and I mean so transparent, that I did not believe for one second that it was natural gut. It looked like a natural colored version of Pro Supex syn gut original: it was that transparent. So, I figured that if they're telling the truth, that I could literally light the string on fire, which should make the polyurethane coating go up in flames quickly and reveal the gut below which should expand immediately. So.....that's what I did! I cut a 1" section off of the string, took a Bic to it, and immediately the entire thing burst into flames and quadrupled in size. There was a definite smell of polyurethane/lacquer and of burning flesh: this stuff truly is natural gut despite the crystal clear appearance.

Onto the actual playtest:

Stringing: Scorpion, like all WC strings, is a breeze to string. No coil memory, easy to tie off, easy on the fingers. Since it was just in the mains, no problems whatsoever. Now comes the interesting part: the crosses. The gut, when woven, is about as hard to weave as a low coil memory poly. Therefore, I'd put its ease of stringing in between a stiff multi and a soft poly, but definitely easier to weave than any of the other Babolat or Klip guts let alone the rope, I mean, Global gut. What's interesting is that the string looks crystal clear while weaving, but the moment you pull tension on it, it literally transforms before your eyes into a cloudy string where you can see the individual sinews and takes on an appearance identical to VS. You really need to see this to understand it: it looks crystal clear, to the point that I stepped on it multiple times because i saw right through it while it was on the carpet while I was doing the mains, but when tensioned, the fibrous nature is immediately apparent. Tension: 56.5 / 58.5

Playability: This is, without question, the best playing string setup that I have ever used in my entire life. Nothing else even compares. Honestly, not even VS crosses compare. I am not putting it to either string, but rather the combination of a crispy yet soft poly main and a natural gut cross. It just so happens that both strings happen to be the best of their respective breeds. The power is EFFORTLESS. Wrist flick shots are dime a dozen. You can modulate the amount of power simply by how much force you put behind each shot, OR, you can accelerate your racquet more quickly for more spin. Oh, the spin. This setup generates spin levels on par with some of the top textured strings. Why that is, I don't know, but the harder you hit (assuming you have a topspin generating stroke), the more the ball dives into the court at the last second. It only goes long when you flatten it out for no reason. Feel at the net is incredible, but then again, just about all natty setups are great at the net. I took off the rubber band and felt no increase in feel, but that'd be pretty difficult since the touch possible with this setup is pretty much untouchable, no pun intended.

Durability: All good things must come to an end: PerforMAXX does not lie or hide anything back in their descriptions. The WhisperTouch is definitely meant for those with a moderate swing speed with a flatter trajectory on most balls. Scorpion is not textured, and yet, after an hour and fifteen minutes of serving drills, the crosses are frayed more than all of the previously mentioned setups combined. I expect that in a match, the crosses are going after about a set if you're lucky. I think that the 1.30 or 1.25 is more appropriate for a modern topspin stroke...and they say as such in their advertising. I wanted the ultimate in playability so I chose the thinnest gauge and paid the price. So, expect to see me using the 1.25 as my next playtest cross string.

Overall: 9.25/10

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/889/scorp1f.jpg

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2295/scorp2.jpg
Hello, I am the manufacturer of Performaxx strings, and hope my generic comments are welcome in this forum.

Thank you for your thoughtful review of WhisperTouch.
I would like to make one suggestion. Be very careful inhaling the smoke from any plastic or other chemical; in the case of polyurethane, the smoke contains cyanide which is not at all good for your game - or you life expectancy.

The meat smell is burning protein and is indicative of both natural gut and "protein like materials such as nylon (polyamide).

All "coated" natural gut that I have ever seen uses some form of polyurethane or polyurea finish on it; some is isocyanate with a polyol to cure it, some are moisture cured PU, others are pre-reacted poly urethanes and others are less expensive mixture of acrylics and PU. The best are cured (also know as thermoset) coatings which are more resistant to heat after curing, the lesser are "thermoplastic" which means they soften with heat. Most synthetics use extruded thermoplastic coatings.

I hope this is of interest.

A question, are the notches in the frayed string shown above in the mains?

mikeler
12-20-2010, 08:59 AM
Hello, I am the manufacturer of Performaxx strings, and hope my generic comments are welcome in this forum.

Thank you for your thoughtful review of WhisperTouch.
I would like to make one suggestion. Be very careful inhaling the smoke from any plastic or other chemical; in the case of polyurethane, the smoke contains cyanide which is not at all good for your game - or you life expectancy.

The meat smell is burning protein and is indicative of both natural gut and "protein like materials such as nylon (polyamide).

All "coated" natural gut that I have ever seen uses some form of polyurethane or polyurea finish on it; some is isocyanate with a polyol to cure it, some are moisture cured PU, others are pre-reacted poly urethanes and others are less expensive mixture of acrylics and PU. The best are cured (also know as thermoset) coatings which are more resistant to heat after curing, the lesser are "thermoplastic" which means they soften with heat. Most synthetics use extruded thermoplastic coatings.

I hope this is of interest.

A question, are the notches in the frayed string shown above in the mains?


So that gluey smell I love is slowly killing me? Dang you ruined my day.

pvaudio
12-20-2010, 12:24 PM
Hello, I am the manufacturer of Performaxx strings, and hope my generic comments are welcome in this forum.

Thank you for your thoughtful review of WhisperTouch.
I would like to make one suggestion. Be very careful inhaling the smoke from any plastic or other chemical; in the case of polyurethane, the smoke contains cyanide which is not at all good for your game - or you life expectancy.

The meat smell is burning protein and is indicative of both natural gut and "protein like materials such as nylon (polyamide).

All "coated" natural gut that I have ever seen uses some form of polyurethane or polyurea finish on it; some is isocyanate with a polyol to cure it, some are moisture cured PU, others are pre-reacted poly urethanes and others are less expensive mixture of acrylics and PU. The best are cured (also know as thermoset) coatings which are more resistant to heat after curing, the lesser are "thermoplastic" which means they soften with heat. Most synthetics use extruded thermoplastic coatings.

I hope this is of interest.

A question, are the notches in the frayed string shown above in the mains?Hi Fred, this is perpetualvision. I just have a different screenname on here. :)

pvaudio
12-20-2010, 12:28 PM
Alrighty gentlemen, got two of my sticks today. Will be stringing up one with Scorpion/Whispertouch and the other with Hexablade/Whispertouch. Once I get my other ones, I'll do the other hybrids we've talked about!

kiteboard
12-20-2010, 12:37 PM
I have sent this guy a couple of emails on the bay Dec 17th and have not gotten a response.

hoodjem
12-21-2010, 05:44 AM
Wow, you must really not like the 4D's/biomimetics! Maybe I should try an original AG100.
You should! It plays the closest to a PS 85 of any modern racquet IMO.

One day it will regarded as a classic frame.

pvaudio
12-21-2010, 08:40 AM
Alrighty! Got four frames in now! Let's get the stringing going :)

pvaudio
12-21-2010, 08:47 PM
Alrighty, here's the two iterations on the new racquets:

1x WC Scorpion / P.Maxx WhisperTouch
1x WC Scorpion / Mantis Comfort Syn.
1x Polyfibre Hexa. / P.Maxx Whispercouth
1x Polyfibre Hexa. / Mantis Comfort Syn.

Will report once all strung.

pvaudio
12-21-2010, 08:50 PM
Note: tensions are at 57/59, 15% pre-stretch on the natural gut via machine.

pvaudio
12-22-2010, 09:59 AM
All frames are strung:
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8282/img0231v.jpg

Partial review now, simply on stringing:

WC Scorpion: Already covered.

WhisperTouch: Already covered.

Polyfibre Hexablade 1.18: Although this string is only being used in the mains, I cannot deny that my finger tips are sore. The edges of that string are seriously sharp and rough. I mean, I've strung up Tornado, Spiky Shark, Blue Gear, MSV Hex, SPPHEXtreme, and God only knows how many other textured polys in full beds as well. None of them have felt this sharp. I'm not too confident that the crosses are going to last too long based on the string's feel in hand. I think the WhisperTouch is not going to last long at all considering it frayed significantly with the Scorpion, and this feels like a razor in comparison. We'll see tonight.

Mantis Comfort Synthetic: Very easy multi to string. Extremely floppy like Maxim Touch, but as it's a 1.30mm string, it's more difficult to get through grommets. Weaving it though, is like butter like it is with most soft multis. In hand, it feels almost identical to WC Explosiv!, but I haven't used Explosiv! in any of these tests, so I can't compare playability. Either way, we'll find out how well the MCS plays tonight. :)

pepka
12-22-2010, 10:18 AM
Good stuff man, waiting for your opinion after hitting with it. And i agree that those Dunlops looks absolutly SICK with Hexablade hybrids

hoodjem
12-22-2010, 05:01 PM
Can we post this here?

Where does one get Laserfibre SNGPS?

StringingPro
12-23-2010, 10:01 AM
I have sent this guy a couple of emails on the bay Dec 17th and have not gotten a response.

Thank you for your interest, but I carefully checked our *Bay messages and there were none from you. However, there were several on that date re a request by a TW stringer asking for free or low cost string, all of which were answered promptly.

pvaudio
12-23-2010, 05:37 PM
Alrighty, update time!

Played for two days now with all of the setups. The most that I learned is this: I cannot play with a 3/8 grip. It's just not meant to be. I know that the pros use smaller grip sizes these days, but my hand is just meant to play with a 1/2. With that said, I did play test all of the string combinations and here's what I've got:

Hexablade/WhisperTouch: Very lively. In fact, too lively for the relative lack of feel. I had heard that Hexablade was very soft, but I did not find that at all. I also noticed that it wasn't destroying the gut as much as I was expecting. I think this is a function of the string's edges biting into the soft gut and making it notch, thus not allowing the string to create spin the natural way: snap back. Overall: 8.5/10

Hexablade/MCS: Honestly, this played exactly the same as the gut except with far less power. MCS seems to be (I don't want to speak fully without having played a full bed) a low powered natural gut clone because the feel was exactly the same when coming off of the stringbed. Something in between the power of the gut and MCS might make the Hexablade a good main, so perhaps I'll try Hexablade/Power Synthetic. Overall: 8.5/10

WC Scorpion / MCS: Along the same line as the review above, this setup feels nearly identical to the natural gut version, albeit with less power. Unfortunately for it, it just doesn't give enough pop when compared to the gut. So I really can't rate it as highly as the natural gut variant hybrid. Overall: 9/10

WC Scorpion / WhisperTouch: This is interesting because I played this same setup on a 3/8 grip and a 1/2 grip. On the 3/8 grip, the racquet tended to spin around in my hand which honestly was to be expected since I'm not used to playing with the smaller grip. Even then, it was head and shoulders above the hexablade setup. I think it's going to take me some time to find a setup that I like better than this even though the gut isn't going to last much longer. I ended up playing most of today with the 1/2 grip after having used the 3/8 grip all of yesterday, and it's glorious. Serves, groundstrokes, and volleys most of all are just fantastic. Overall, I'll increase its rating for its consistency: 9.5/10

pvaudio
12-23-2010, 06:11 PM
Yep, just took out the racquets and inspected them (don't have a camera with me here, so no photo updates like usual). The Hexablade/PMAXX racquet has almost zero gut fraying. Interestingly, I think my theory was right because I noticed that two of the mains were seriously notched into the gut almost as though it was a full bed of multi which needs straightening. I really had to yank on them to put them straight. The Scorpion/PMAXX racquets are both frayed, with the 1/2 obviously far moreso than the 3/8.

Having used these setups, I'm curious to see what would happen if I switched them around: WhisperTouch/Scorpion. That would be an interesting one to try out and I think I'll do that next round.

kiteboard
12-24-2010, 08:39 AM
Thank you for your interest, but I carefully checked our *Bay messages and there were none from you. However, there were several on that date re a request by a TW stringer asking for free or low cost string, all of which were answered promptly.

I asked you for a reduced price, as each set of your gut with shipping was at least $27.50, and you agreed to that with this email to me. I then sent you an email to pay for the string, for two sets at $15 each, plus shipping. No response. I waited. No response. I sent another email. Nothing. Then I posted here saying that you did not respond to my request very quickly, and you told me that you would not sell the gut to me at all, based on that comment I made here! I would not deal with this guy: slow response, and then did not keep his word to me in this email:.

The first time I emailed hit it took about a week for him to reply. He said he was sorry for the slow response. And again, no response once I had a price:

He said: "Thank you for your interest in our strings, it is
sincerely appreciated.
Unfortunately, I am very low on stock of this
string, but more is expected soon. Reviews are a
two edged sword, but the product is a good one so
I am willing to offer you one or two sets below my
cost, $15.00 plus shipping.
Please understand our strings are different than
either our competition, or other company's strings
which I designed and developed over the years.
WhisperTouch is as it's name implies, not a "power
string". However, many top level players are
asking for it because of the advantages of a thin
string. Please keep in mind that it comes at the
price of requiring more care in stringing, and
reduced playing life."

AFter dealing with Laserfibre, and waiting 5 weeks for one set to arrive, and only after I filed a paypal claim, I've learned to be careful who to deal with buying strings...

pvaudio
12-26-2010, 06:40 PM
Alrighty, I'm cracking open the ball machine tomorrow and am determined to break some strings. I think the Mosquito Bite and SNGPS is going to go, and I'm fairly confident that I can shred the WhisperTouch in the 4 1/2 stick as well. Will report on what they feel like right at the end of their lives!

pvaudio
12-26-2010, 09:01 PM
I got my sister some Hexablade and Scorpion (and T-Fibre PRC) for Christmas, and I know that she's stringing up one of the three for tomorrow, so I'll ask her to post her feedback. She actually plays with the new Biomemetic 200, so I guess it'll be interesting to see how the same string plays in that stick. She was using full Barb Wire previously.

nvottennis
12-26-2010, 09:10 PM
I got my sister some Hexablade and Scorpion (and T-Fibre PRC) for Christmas, and I know that she's stringing up one of the three for tomorrow, so I'll ask her to post her feedback. She actually plays with the new Biomemetic 200, so I guess it'll be interesting to see how the same string plays in that stick. She was using full Barb Wire previously.

JW, but does your sister know of a string that has the spin equivalent of barbwire, but better tension maintenance?

pvaudio
12-26-2010, 09:13 PM
JW, but does your sister know of a string that has the spin equivalent of barbwire, but better tension maintenance?No idea, I'll tell her to just post in this thread instead of me relaying messages haha.

mikeler
12-27-2010, 06:00 AM
Since I have not hit with natty guy in decades, it is interesting to hear that you think MCS plays like gut.

pvaudio
12-27-2010, 08:29 AM
Since I have not hit with natty guy in decades, it is interesting to hear that you think MCS plays like gut.
No no, not plays like, feels like. MCS doesn't really have any power at all, but the feel is almost the same as the natural stuff.

airman88
12-27-2010, 09:16 AM
Hey PVaudio, have you playtested any smooth poly mains, twisedted poly cross setups. I know kiteboard has suggest SPPP mains with Barb wire crosses (I think that's what it was). If so, have you found this to have a similar effect to the champions choice, providing a sliding surface for the shaped cross to give great access to spin and added feel.

I am thinking of going for black magic or polystar energy mains with typhoon or barb wire crosses. Seems like that kind of setup could give you a perfect full poly string bed, with great power, spin, and even some feel and comfort at the right tension. May break quickly though. Any thoughts?

mikeler
12-27-2010, 09:27 AM
No no, not plays like, feels like. MCS doesn't really have any power at all, but the feel is almost the same as the natural stuff.


So you mean in terms of softness and touch?

pvaudio
12-27-2010, 10:22 AM
So you mean in terms of softness and touch?Precisamente, senor. That's exactly what I mean :)

pvaudio
12-27-2010, 10:23 AM
Hey PVaudio, have you playtested any smooth poly mains, twisedted poly cross setups. I know kiteboard has suggest SPPP mains with Barb wire crosses (I think that's what it was). If so, have you found this to have a similar effect to the champions choice, providing a sliding surface for the shaped cross to give great access to spin and added feel.

I am thinking of going for black magic or polystar energy mains with typhoon or barb wire crosses. Seems like that kind of setup could give you a perfect full poly string bed, with great power, spin, and even some feel and comfort at the right tension. May break quickly though. Any thoughts?
Nope, can't say that I have! If you have a poly/poly hybrid that you want to see, then just list it and I'll get it done up when I get back to campus and have my Aria.

pepka
12-27-2010, 11:43 AM
Thanks for the reviews bud :) You made my life much easier. I like that WCS/MCS is low powered:) I love the feel of the comfort synthetic and will be trying hybrid with Mantis Comfort Poly soon. If my shoulder lives thru it, then i'll try WCS, WCSS, SPPP and Energy.

iTennis2609
12-27-2010, 11:44 AM
JW, but does your sister know of a string that has the spin equivalent of barbwire, but better tension maintenance?

Sorry, I don't. I find Kirschbaum Spiky Shark to have as much if not more spin than the Barbwire, but I can't really speak on the tension maintenance. I haven't had a lot of problems with polys dropping tension or going dead before I restring except for Luxilon Alu Rough, which went dead at about the 12-15 hour mark and RPM Blast which went dead around the same time.

On another note, I decided to string up a set of Pro Redcode (full bed at 62lbs) and am really happy with it so far. I hit with it for 2 hours this morning. This description might suck but it's just a good all around poly. The stringbed feels soft but not mushy. I get just enough pop on my shots to have some pace but not have them sail on me. Spin is also good but not outstanding. The only issue I have with it is it was a mess to string. It kept wanting to fold over on itself when I tried to push it through blocked grommets and it might be a little shorter than the 40 ft it says on the package because it barely reached the tension head when I got to the last main. I've never had that problem with any other string sets.

Summary: Good all around string, 8/10

iTennis2609
12-27-2010, 11:54 AM
Also, in case this adds anything to my review, I'm a 4.0 female with a big serve and big forehand. I hit with a moderate amount of spin. I'm mainly a singles player but play a lot of doubles now because it's been hard to play competitive singles outside of USTA ever since I got too old to play junior tennis 8)

pvaudio
12-27-2010, 03:21 PM
I'm liking the family collaboration on the playtest thread haha.

Anyway, I'm off to see if I can't break some strings :lol:

kiteboard
12-27-2010, 03:26 PM
Nope, can't say that I have! If you have a poly/poly hybrid that you want to see, then just list it and I'll get it done up when I get back to campus and have my Aria.

Barb wire mains with alu power cross. Good pocketing feel.

pvaudio
12-27-2010, 06:39 PM
:mad: Couldn't break the Mosquito Bite. It's ITCHING to break, I can feel it. SNGPS has the most unique feel when it's on its last leg, and I can't get it to break! I am not cutting that stringbed out: no way, no how!!!

In other news, I played with my sister's PRC setup. That **** has so much power it's ridiculous. It is, however, extremely soft, and that I do like. I think I might break out my mini reel of PRC and try it out in my frames as a main string. Then again, I've really been wanting to try out Big Hitter Blue and Cyber Blue in my sticks as well. A poly/poly hybrid that I think would work well would be Silverstring mains with Mosquito Bite crosses. I think that might be a beautiful, spin crazy setup.

The Big Kahuna
12-27-2010, 10:47 PM
Have you tried the TORNADO with the MANTIS COMFORT yet? I found it to be a nearly perfect blend of control, spin, feel, and comfort - precise, yet with a lot of touch. I tried perhaps 24 different combination of leading polys and multis as a hybrid, and this - for me - was the clear winner.

The Big Kahuna
12-27-2010, 10:59 PM
My review of the playtest using Torando and Mantis Comfort from this past Fall:

Mains: 48/52 Signum Pro Tornado 17 (1.23) / Mantis Comfort 17g in the Crosses
Power: A-
Control: A
Feel: A
Comfort: A
Spin: A
Tension Stability: A
OVERALL: A
Starting RA 52 / after 2 hrs RA 48 / after 12 hours RA 43

Great blend of spin, power, and comfort. Buttery, solid, with lots of feel. AWESOME! Plays soft and cushioned like gut with similar spin potential. Signum Pro Tornado Rated 5th best overall string by Stringforum.net - top Poly. Compares to TF Black Code. - lively and explosive. Mantis Comfort added good touch and precision. Closest comparison is to MSV Pro HEX 17. Good for hybrids as the main string, however the cross string should not be too thin, otherwise it will be sawed by the Tornado. My recommendation: Don't string too high (decrease tension by 10%). Provides a bit better feel than the Black Code. Additionally, I found good comfort in the Tornado. Spin was also better with the Tornado. This will be my standard string for the season. This is my set-up to beat.

pvaudio
12-28-2010, 05:40 PM
Kahuna, thank you for your review. I may have to try that. :)

pvaudio
12-28-2010, 05:42 PM
This laserfibre is laughing at me!!! It's about as thin as fishing line, and yet I still can't break it!!!!

I think I need to switch from the Supergrap, because I find that when I don't play for a long time, and pick up a racquet, I get blisters which eventually settle into calluses. That never happened when I was using the Pro Overgrip. I just love the feel of the Yonex grips more, but I think they may be too tacky and might be shredding my hand.

g4driver
12-28-2010, 07:46 PM
pvaudio,

thanks for your outstanding reviews.

Any chance you could playtest a Genesis Typhoon 16L & Technifibre NRG2 hybrid?

Love to see your thoughts on this combo.

v/r

g4driver

The Big Kahuna
12-28-2010, 11:11 PM
For what it's worth - on the subject of hybrids - I would highly recommend these three multis for most poly/multi blends - they deliver the most playability for the dollar from my perspective. Chris Edwards suggested them and I have found them all to be excellent values and hold their own against the best multis twice the piece. They are:

√ Yonex Tour Super 850 Pro 16 String 8.95 / no reels available
An innovative structure of high elastic multifilament and our exclusive "Power-Spin Coating" that will generate superior spin while maintaining the response and feel of natural gut. A distinctive "Pre-Stretch" method combined with double winding nylon wraps helps maintain string tension and optimizes playability. Noted: Stringforum reports that string plays well at lower tensions (51#). Pro version stiffer with more control.

√ Mantis Comfort Synthetic 16 String 9.00 / 99.00 reel
MANTIS Comfort Synthetic has been specifically developed to provide a soft string with gut like feel and playability whilst the special double coating enhances durability. Thousands of micro fibres are compressed and then nano coated to provide a core with superb feel. This is covered with highly durable monofilaments before the string is coated by a special elastic resin bonding process.

√ Tourna Quasi Gut String 17 8.06 / 99.00 reel
RSI reviewed: Our playtest team found Tourna Quasi-Gut 16 impressive even for a soft nylon, giving it ratings in the top 20 in four separate categories: 5th overall for Touch/Feel, 6th overall (tie) for Playability, 7th overall (tie) for Comfort, and 11th overall (tie) for Power. Bolstering these results are the teams’ well-above-average ratings for Tourna Quasi-Gut for Control, Spin Potential, and Tension Retention. As a result, Unique Tourna Quasi-Gut 16 is tied for 16th overall out of the 140 strings we’ve playtested to date for publication. Additionally, our playtest team told us that Tourna Quasi-Gut 16 doesn’t sacrifice playability for durability or vice versa.

mikeler
12-29-2010, 04:30 AM
For what it's worth - on the subject of hybrids - I would highly recommend these three multis for most poly/multi blends - they deliver the most playability for the dollar from my perspective. Chris Edwards suggested them and I have found them all to be excellent values and hold their own against the best multis twice the piece. They are:

√ Yonex Tour Super 850 Pro 16 String 8.95 / no reels available
An innovative structure of high elastic multifilament and our exclusive "Power-Spin Coating" that will generate superior spin while maintaining the response and feel of natural gut. A distinctive "Pre-Stretch" method combined with double winding nylon wraps helps maintain string tension and optimizes playability. Noted: Stringforum reports that string plays well at lower tensions (51#). Pro version stiffer with more control.

√ Mantis Comfort Synthetic 16 String 9.00 / 99.00 reel
MANTIS Comfort Synthetic has been specifically developed to provide a soft string with gut like feel and playability whilst the special double coating enhances durability. Thousands of micro fibres are compressed and then nano coated to provide a core with superb feel. This is covered with highly durable monofilaments before the string is coated by a special elastic resin bonding process.

√ Tourna Quasi Gut String 17 8.06 / 99.00 reel
RSI reviewed: Our playtest team found Tourna Quasi-Gut 16 impressive even for a soft nylon, giving it ratings in the top 20 in four separate categories: 5th overall for Touch/Feel, 6th overall (tie) for Playability, 7th overall (tie) for Comfort, and 11th overall (tie) for Power. Bolstering these results are the teams’ well-above-average ratings for Tourna Quasi-Gut for Control, Spin Potential, and Tension Retention. As a result, Unique Tourna Quasi-Gut 16 is tied for 16th overall out of the 140 strings we’ve playtested to date for publication. Additionally, our playtest team told us that Tourna Quasi-Gut 16 doesn’t sacrifice playability for durability or vice versa.


I'd only recommend Quasi for flat hitters since it gives absolutely no spin. The Mantis is fantastic but not durable. Looking forward to hitting with the Yonex in the next few weeks.

mikeler
12-29-2010, 04:32 AM
This laserfibre is laughing at me!!! It's about as thin as fishing line, and yet I still can't break it!!!!

I think I need to switch from the Supergrap, because I find that when I don't play for a long time, and pick up a racquet, I get blisters which eventually settle into calluses. That never happened when I was using the Pro Overgrip. I just love the feel of the Yonex grips more, but I think they may be too tacky and might be shredding my hand.


I change my Supergrap about every 4 sets, but I've never had anything like that happen to me. I was in a tennis store feeling the new Dunlop Gecko-Tac and it feels tackier than anything I've ever used. It might be too tacky but I'll try it out in the summer.

-Bobo-
12-30-2010, 01:40 AM
I change my Supergrap about every 4 sets, but I've never had anything like that happen to me. I was in a tennis store feeling the new Dunlop Gecko-Tac and it feels tackier than anything I've ever used. It might be too tacky but I'll try it out in the summer.

You might also want to try the solinco and mantis Og's very comfy and not too tacky, pretty durable too, though supergrap lasts me a while too, i grip very loose and don't sweat in the hands too much.

pvaudio
12-30-2010, 10:25 AM
Alrighty! After launching 500 balls, the Mosquito Bite setup is finished. Total hours logged, I don't know. Maybe 6? I had two private lessons using it, and hit around intermittenly with it since I was using so many other frames at the time. I guess the main thing to note here is that the tension never dropped until the LF became stretched out when it got really thin. So, the final verdict is as follows:

WeissCANNON MosquitoBite 1.16 Vein Blue / Laserfibre SNGPS

Power: 8/10

Control: 8.5/10

Feel: 9.5/10

Spin: 7/10

Durability: 7/10

Tension Maintenance: 9.75/10

Total: 49.75/60

Final Total: 83/100

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6889/s1000003.jpg

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5350/s1000004.jpg

- Dave

parasailing
12-30-2010, 11:19 AM
Alrighty! After launching 500 balls, the Mosquito Bite setup is finished. Total hours logged, I don't know. Maybe 6? I had two private lessons using it, and hit around intermittenly with it since I was using so many other frames at the time. I guess the main thing to note here is that the tension never dropped until the LF became stretched out when it got really thin. So, the final verdict is as follows:

WeissCANNON MosquitoBite 1.16 Vein Blue / Laserfibre SNGPS

Power: 8/10

Control: 8.5/10

Feel: 9.5/10

Spin: 7/10

Durability: 7/10

Tension Maintenance: 9.75/10

Total: 49.75/60

Final Total: 83/100

Pictures to follow shortly :)

- Dave


PVaudio - If you can post the pics of the Laserfibre on the other laserfibre thread, that would be great. McTennis and I are trying to get resolution to the fake strings we received from Laserfibre.

mikeler
12-30-2010, 11:42 AM
PVaudio,

Have you ever tried any of the Golden Set lineup of strings? They are relatively unknown but a few guys down at my club seem to really like them. I may try out their 2 multis soon.

pvaudio
12-30-2010, 01:09 PM
Updated with images.

pvaudio
12-30-2010, 01:11 PM
PVaudio - If you can post the pics of the Laserfibre on the other laserfibre thread, that would be great. McTennis and I are trying to get resolution to the fake strings we received from Laserfibre.
I don't have any of my digital cameras with me, let alone my SLR, so I took this pic with my camcorder. The key, however, is clearly visible: note the sinewy pattern of the string towards the right (out of the flash). No other string on the market has a similar looking construction, and it looks like what you see there when strung up.

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/7413/s1000005.jpg

pvaudio
12-30-2010, 01:12 PM
PVaudio,

Have you ever tried any of the Golden Set lineup of strings? They are relatively unknown but a few guys down at my club seem to really like them. I may try out their 2 multis soon.
I have not tried anything from Golden Set. I'm not familiar with them at all, to be quite honest. Can you give me a comparable string guide? Something like Golden Set MAXMULTI (I just made that up haha :D ) is similar to Technifibre X-1 Biphase, etc.

mikeler
12-30-2010, 02:22 PM
http://www.goldensettennis.com/compare.html

pvaudio
12-30-2010, 04:27 PM
http://www.goldensettennis.com/compare.html:shock::shock::shock:You have got to be kidding me, that was exactly what I was looking for.

Dominik
12-30-2010, 04:47 PM
http://www.goldensettennis.com/compare.html

I looooooove their kevlar! So nice.

EDIT: I've tried pretty much all of their strings. The polys are where the value is, the silver hex poly in 17 played really nice for me too.

nvottennis
12-30-2010, 04:57 PM
Sorry, I don't. I find Kirschbaum Spiky Shark to have as much if not more spin than the Barbwire, but I can't really speak on the tension maintenance. I haven't had a lot of problems with polys dropping tension or going dead before I restring except for Luxilon Alu Rough, which went dead at about the 12-15 hour mark and RPM Blast which went dead around the same time.

On another note, I decided to string up a set of Pro Redcode (full bed at 62lbs) and am really happy with it so far. I hit with it for 2 hours this morning. This description might suck but it's just a good all around poly. The stringbed feels soft but not mushy. I get just enough pop on my shots to have some pace but not have them sail on me. Spin is also good but not outstanding. The only issue I have with it is it was a mess to string. It kept wanting to fold over on itself when I tried to push it through blocked grommets and it might be a little shorter than the 40 ft it says on the package because it barely reached the tension head when I got to the last main. I've never had that problem with any other string sets.

Summary: Good all around string, 8/10

Thanks, although when I tried spiky shark at 30lbs, the spin was decent, but nothing to that of barbwire.

mikeler
12-31-2010, 10:23 AM
:shock::shock::shock:You have got to be kidding me, that was exactly what I was looking for.


I had a feeling that might freak you out! A few guys down at my club have been talking it up. I'd never heard of it before. I may test out one or both of their multis.

pvaudio
12-31-2010, 06:57 PM
Alrighty guys, the 4 3/8 sticks are going in the closet. I just purchased 4x 4 1/2 AG100s, so now I have 8 in my arsenal along with the other 4 3/8 just in case. I'll be heading back up to school tomorrow and have 3 empty frames (4 1/2, my favorite) to string up, so if you want to see something play tested, please speak now. The string list is below. :)

Natural Guts:
Babolat Tonic 15L
Babolat VS Team 17g
Global Gut 17g
Klip Legend 17g
Pacific Prime 17g
Performaxx HighTension 1.25
Performaxx Touch 17g
Performaxx WhisperTouch 1.20

Multifilaments:
Alpha Gut 2000 18g
Gamma LiveWire XP 16g
Head C3 Rocket 17g
Head Rip Perfect Control 16g
Isospeed Professional Classic 17g
Laserfibre Supernatural Gut Pro Stock 17g
Mantis Comfort Synthetic 1.30
Mantis Power Synthetic 1.25
Pro Supex MaximTouch Original 17g
Technifibre NRG2 1.18mm
Technifibre X-One Biphase 1.18mm
Tourna Quasi Gut 17g
WeissCANNON Explosiv! 1.30
Wilson K-Gut 16g

Synthetic Guts:
Forten Sweet 17g
Gosen OG Sheep Micro 17g
Prince Synthetic Gut Duraflex Blue 16g
Prince Synthetic Gut Duraflex White 18g
Prince Synthetic Gut Original Black 15Lg
Prince Synthetic Gut Original Gold 17g
Prince Synthetic Gut Original White 17g
Prince Topspin Plus 16 Yellow 16g
Pro Supex FT Ruff 17g
Pro Supex Spiral Flex 16g
Pro Supex SynGut Titan 17g
Pro Supex Synthetic Gut 18g


Smooth Polyester:
Genesis Black Magic 17g
Kirschbaum Pro Line II 1.15
Luxilon Adrenaline 1.25
Luxilon Big Banger Ace 1.12
Luxilon Big Banger ALU Power 1.25
Luxilon Big Banger ALU Power Fluro 1.23
Luxilon Big Banger M2 Pro 1.30
Luxilon Big Banger Timo 1.10
Pro Supex Big Ace Micro 1.15
Signum Pro Poly Plasma
Solinco Tour Bite 18g
Technifibre Pro Red Code 17g
Topspin Cyber Blue 17g
Topspin Cyber Flash 17g
Tourna Poly Big Hitter Blue 17g
WeissCANNON Mosquito Bite 1.16
WeissCANNON Scorpion 1.22
WeissCANNON Silverstring 1.20

Textured Polyester:
Babolat Pro Hurricane Tour 17g
Babolat RPM Blast 16g
Genesis Hexonic 1.09
Genesis SpinX 17
Genesis Typhoon 16L
Kirschbaum Spiky Shark 1.30
Luxilon Big Banger ALU Power Rough 1.25
MSV Hex 1.10
PolyFibre Hexablade 1.18
Polystar Turbo 17g
Pro Supex Blue Gear 18g
Signum Pro Plasma HEXtreme 17g
Signum Pro Tornado 1.23
Technifibre Black Code 1.18
Topspin Cyber Twirl 1.27
Volkl Cyclone 17g
WeissCANNON Turbotwist 1.18

:)

pepka
12-31-2010, 07:25 PM
Not a setup idea, just a quick question. Can You compare SS and Scorpion? Also what's the most comfy, smooth poly You've used? Thanks again:)

pvaudio
12-31-2010, 08:16 PM
Silverstring and Scorpion cannot really be compared. SS has more control, Scorpion has more power. SS has more feel, Scorpion has more spin. They're equal in tension longevity.

And the comfiest poly I've used is WC Mosquito Bite. No contest.

rudester
12-31-2010, 08:21 PM
Silverstring and Scorpion cannot really be compared. SS has more control, Scorpion has more power. SS has more feel, Scorpion has more spin. They're equal in tension longevity.

And the comfiest poly I've used is WC Mosquito Bite. No contest.

Thanks for the confirmation, I have recently become quite a fan of Mosquito bite. great feel.

mctennis
12-31-2010, 10:06 PM
Can we post this here?

Where does one get Laserfibre SNGPS?

Too many problems from the manufacturer. I'd not risk trying to get some from them. Lots of delays and very poor communications once you do order from them. Long waits to get product IF you ever get it and get the right strings you've ordered. I ordered some and what they sent in the packages isn't the right string ( by the looks of what pvaudio posted). Sad to see a company with a very good product do so poorly in customer service. Save yourself a headache and ulcer.

g4driver
01-01-2011, 05:26 AM
Alrighty guys, the 4 3/8 sticks are going in the closet. I just purchased 4x 4 1/2 AG100s, so now I have 8 in my arsenal along with the other 4 3/8 just in case. I'll be heading back up to school tomorrow and have 3 empty frames (4 1/2, my favorite) to string up, so if you want to see something play tested, please speak now. The string list is below. :)

Multifilaments:
Technifibre NRG2 1.18mm
Technifibre X-One Biphase 1.18mm

Textured Polyester:
Genesis Typhoon 16L

:)

PVAudio,

Love to see your review of Genesis Typhoon 16L Mains / and either NRG2 or X-One Bi-phase. (I love X-One, but based on your reviews and others just ordered 5 sets of Laserfibre SNGPS.) I called and spoke to one the guys on Thursday. He was a very nice and informative, he told me the order won't ship until Monday. No worries.

I have a Typhoon16L (M) / Prince Premiere LT 16 (X) setup that I am comparing to Babalot Hurricane Feel 17g (M)/ X-One Bi-phase 16g (X).

I like both, but when I use a 17g cross in the Hurricane setup, they pop in about 10-12 hours. I am sure Typhoon will pop a 17g cross even sooner, so I sticking with the fat 16g for now. ;) The Typhoon does give more topspin, and since I'm more of a flat hitter, I am really starting to like the Typhoon.

Thanks again for all you efforts.

g4driver
01-01-2011, 05:30 AM
Too many problems from the manufacturer. I'd not risk trying to get some from them. Lots of delays and very poor communications once you do order from them. Long waits to get product IF you ever get it and get the right strings you've ordered. I ordered some and what they sent in the packages isn't the right string ( by the looks of what pvaudio posted). Sad to see a company with a very good product do so poorly in customer service. Save yourself a headache and ulcer.

Understand Laserfibre has numerous reports of bad customer service. So I called them on Thursday to make sure the string was in stock, and ready to ship before I placed my order. Had a nice five minute conversation with one of the guys there. The guy told me about a special promo they were offering to get a free pack of Kryptonite, that I didn't notice on their website. So, he basically gave me a tip, which gave me a free pack of strings which they sell for $10.75.

I let you know how many experience with them goes, and sorry to hear of your troubles.

niketennispro
01-01-2011, 05:48 AM
Hi pvaudio, can you do mantis comfort in the mains and lexicon adrenaline in the crosses? Or vice versa, I really wanna see how that set up plays

pvaudio
01-01-2011, 07:35 AM
Alrighty! Next round of reviews:

1. Genesis Typhoon / Technifibre NRG2
2. Genesis Hexonic / Mantis Power Synthetic

If someone can list up one more, I'll get that strung up before I return home :)

pvaudio
01-01-2011, 07:37 AM
Hi pvaudio, can you do mantis comfort in the mains and lexicon adrenaline in the crosses? Or vice versa, I really wanna see how that set up plays
Linguistic adrenaline, eh? :D

I honestly would, but you're going to have to tell me what frame you use. I absolutely hate adrenaline and think it's the worst string that Lux makes because unlike any of the BB line, it has no power or spin, and unlike M2, if has no feel.

niketennispro
01-01-2011, 07:57 AM
ughhh auto text on iphone is terrible -.- I use a tecnifibre T-fight 335 18x20 but am most likely gonna switch to wilson blx six-one 95. Really? i tried the playtest of it and found it quite nice. How would Unique Big hitter silver and Mantis comfort play? I'm trying to look for some nice power and touch on my shots as I play an aggressive all court game.

finalfantasy7
01-01-2011, 08:07 AM
how about:
Technifibre X-One Biphase 1.18mm - crossses
WeissCANNON Mosquito Bite 1.16 - mains

pvaudio
01-01-2011, 08:09 AM
Hmm, your racquet is nothing like mine. Either way, I don't have that string. I have big hitter blue, cyber blue and cyber flash. I could do one of those with a Mantis cross, you just let me know. :)

pvaudio
01-01-2011, 08:13 AM
how about:
Technifibre X-One Biphase 1.18mm - crossses
WeissCANNON Mosquito Bite 1.16 - mains
Have already done the MB/NRG, which IMO is superior to X-1 in every regard, and even then, it was a shadow to the SNGPS cross. The NRG cross simply makes the stringbed more lively and crisper. Having used X-1, it has terrible tension stability and its playing characteristics depend on what you had for breakfast.

rodrigoamaral
01-01-2011, 10:29 AM
Alrighty! Next round of reviews:

1. Genesis Typhoon / Technifibre NRG2
2. Genesis Hexonic / Mantis Power Synthetic

If someone can list up one more, I'll get that strung up before I return home :)

did you every try the Hexonic as a full setup?

pvaudio
01-01-2011, 11:12 AM
did you every try the Hexonic as a full setup?
I have not. Does it play well? If so, then I'll do a full bed playtest of that instead. :)

pvaudio
01-01-2011, 11:14 AM
Okay guys, I'm stringing up the first frame with Typhoon right now. Hopefully by the time I'm finished, someone else will have another suggestion. I think that I'm going to do a Silverstring setup since I've never tried it at low tension. What would be a nice cross from my list up there, do you think?

1. Genesis Typhoon / Technifibre NRG2
2. WeissCANNON Silverstring / ?
3. ???

rodrigoamaral
01-01-2011, 11:17 AM
I have not. Does it play well? If so, then I'll do a full bed playtest of that instead. :)

Yes, I have tried as a full and liked it a lot.. Just wondered if you were going to do a review of it in a hybrid, if you had experience of it as a full so I can compare my opinion to yours...

pepka
01-01-2011, 11:36 AM
Silverstring/RIP. May be low powered but control should be wicked, same with tension stability ;)

pvaudio
01-01-2011, 12:15 PM
One down, what's next, gentlemen?

pvaudio
01-01-2011, 12:16 PM
Silverstring/RIP. May be low powered but control should be wicked, same with tension stability ;)
RIP? As in Head RIP Control? I have Head Rip Perfect Control. Is that what you mean?

mikeler
01-01-2011, 12:23 PM
If you are really getting desperate how about Big Ace Micro and Mantis Comfort. I'd really rather you try something that another user may benefit from since the chances of me using a poly again are slim.

finalfantasy7
01-01-2011, 12:23 PM
Kirschbaum Pro Line II 1.15 - mantis power synthetic

pepka
01-01-2011, 12:31 PM
RIP? As in Head RIP Control? I have Head Rip Perfect Control. Is that what you mean?

Yep. I haven't use poly for almost a year now but i loved SS. Still hope i can use it some time soon:)

pvaudio
01-01-2011, 12:54 PM
Change of procedure. For me to play test it, I need at least two people to agree that they'd like it playtested. I have far too many strings and just not enough time to get through 11 pages of requests :(

As such, I'm going to stick with just the Typhoon/NRG setup. If there's a setup that people really want to see, then I'd be happy to string it up and report on it :)

g4driver
01-01-2011, 12:56 PM
One down, what's next, gentlemen?


Thanks for doing the Typhoon/NGR 2 setup. Looking forward to reading your review.

Two more questions for you if you have some a moment of free time.

1) What are your thoughts on a comparison of Mantis Comfort versus NRG2?

A reel of Mantis is about 1/2 the price of NRG2.

2) Would Tornado by the best black poly for friends who think they want to try to "RPM Blast"? I have had several friends ask me to string their frames with RPM Blast. I try to talk them out of it due it price first of all, and more importantly it seems plenty of people think Tornado or MSV Hex hits better.

Thanks again for your time. Truly appreciate your efforts and yes this is a 5 Star Thread!

pvaudio
01-01-2011, 12:57 PM
Stringing: This is an interesting one. Even in the mains, Typhoon is a monster to string. It absolutely hates being handled. IMO, of all of the highly textured, shaped and extruded strings that I've strung up, Typhoon is the most annoying. It was just going in the mains, and it was still trying to kink up on me. That said, it didn't really seem to be an issue once tensioned, so we'll see how it goes. I've already talked about NRG2's ease of stringing, and it was the same here. Nothing to talk about. Tension: 55/57, knot setting on cross tie-offs.

Playability: To come!

Durability: To come!

Overall: To come!

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/7285/img0232cr.jpg

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/2175/img0234xi.jpg

pvaudio
01-01-2011, 01:03 PM
Thanks for doing the Typhoon/NGR 2 setup. Looking forward to reading your review.

Two more questions for you if you have some a moment of free time.

1) What are your thoughts on a comparison of Mantis Comfort versus NRG2?

A reel of Mantis is about 1/2 the price of NRG2.

2) Would Tornado by the best black poly for friends who think they want to try to "RPM Blast"? I have had several friends ask me to string their frames with RPM Blast. I try to talk them out of it due it price first of all, and more importantly it seems plenty of people think Tornado or MSV Hex hits better.

Thanks again for your time. Truly appreciate your efforts and yes this is a 5 Star Thread!
For your first comment, MCS and NRG2 can't even be compared. They only thing they share is multifilament construction. They play absolutely nothing alike and are for completely different types of players. MCS is likely the least powerful multi on the market while NRG2 is likely the most powerful. MCS feels like gut, NRG2 is scalpel edge sharp and crisp. They can't be compared. You would use one or the other to accentuate or damp the characteristics of a particular main. If used in the mains, then that's another story altogether. :)

Curiously, I have reels of all three: RPM Blast 16, MSV Hex 1.10 and Tornado 1.23. People ask for RPM because it's popular and well known, and I give an offer whereby after they're done with the setup, I'll put in a string either free of charge, or in the case of Tornado, half off. This way, they can see that cheaper strings exist which play far better for far longer.

As far as Tornado actually being better, it's not really my cup of tea anyway. I wish I could tell you that it's a super shaped poly, but in all honesty, it's just a nice feeling poly which generates good spin. I still prefer the Scorpion setup over it by an enormous margin. I would also look at Volkl Cyclone 17 and the Cyber Twirl that I playtested if you want great value textured or shaped polys. :)

g4driver
01-01-2011, 01:32 PM
pvaudio,

If MCS has the feel of gut, but not the power, are you using it to get more feel out a powerful poly/MCS hybrid? Trying to tone down the power when using with a powerful poly?

mikeler
01-01-2011, 01:53 PM
PV,

If a full bed of MCS feels good to me at 60 pounds, do you have a recommendation for tension when I test out NRG2?

That TW blind playtest multi had less power than MCS for me.

pepka
01-01-2011, 02:03 PM
The thing with NRG2 is that it's a lot crispier and more powerful than MCS. If You string it too high, it may be not as soft as you like... when strung too low, it may become a rocket launcher in your hand ;). Still i like nrg2 way more than x1. It will make a great cross for soft, low power poly, just like MCS for crispier, powerful one :)

mikeler
01-01-2011, 02:18 PM
Thanks Pepka!

kiteboard
01-01-2011, 02:22 PM
I request a blue gear ultra1.23mm main at 54/with a blackcode 1.18mm cross at 57lbs, in a dunlop frame!

pvaudio
01-01-2011, 02:29 PM
pvaudio,

If MCS has the feel of gut, but not the power, are you using it to get more feel out a powerful poly/MCS hybrid? Trying to tone down the power when using with a powerful poly?
Precisely. :)

g4driver
01-01-2011, 02:39 PM
Thanks Pepka & pvaudio. Got it. NRG2 ordered.

pvaudio
01-01-2011, 03:58 PM
PV,

If a full bed of MCS feels good to me at 60 pounds, do you have a recommendation for tension when I test out NRG2?

That TW blind playtest multi had less power than MCS for me.
I would string the NRG at 62 or 63. Anything above that and it seems to be a waste since it breaks so quickly.
The thing with NRG2 is that it's a lot crispier and more powerful than MCS. If You string it too high, it may be not as soft as you like... when strung too low, it may become a rocket launcher in your hand ;). Still i like nrg2 way more than x1. It will make a great cross for soft, low power poly, just like MCS for crispier, powerful one :)
Couldn't have said it better myself :)

g4driver
01-01-2011, 04:09 PM
pvaudio,

Have you ever hit with Signum Pro Plasma HEXtreme16L (1.25mm)?

I"m trying to find another soft co-poly that has offers spin over power, and want to try it with NRG2 and SNGPS.

niketennispro
01-01-2011, 04:24 PM
awww guess i missed the next round of strings :( but can you do weisscannon scorpion and mantis comfort synthetic? im really interested in the mantis comfort and want to find the best poly to cross with it that gives good power and touch

g4driver
01-01-2011, 04:53 PM
awww guess i missed the next round of strings :( but can you do weisscannon scorpion and mantis comfort synthetic? im really interested in the mantis comfort and want to find the best poly to cross with it that gives good power and touch

He posted this setup on page 8. Post #144.


WC Scorpion / MCS: Along the same line as the review above, this setup feels nearly identical to the natural gut version, albeit with less power. Unfortunately for it, it just doesn't give enough pop when compared to the gut. So I really can't rate it as highly as the natural gut variant hybrid. Overall: 9/10

WC Scorpion / WhisperTouch: This is interesting because I played this same setup on a 3/8 grip and a 1/2 grip. On the 3/8 grip, the racquet tended to spin around in my hand which honestly was to be expected since I'm not used to playing with the smaller grip. Even then, it was head and shoulders above the hexablade setup. I think it's going to take me some time to find a setup that I like better than this even though the gut isn't going to last much longer. I ended up playing most of today with the 1/2 grip after having used the 3/8 grip all of yesterday, and it's glorious. Serves, groundstrokes, and volleys most of all are just fantastic. Overall, I'll increase its rating for its consistency: 9.5/10

pepka
01-01-2011, 04:55 PM
^ check pavaudio's post #144 ;) good stuff

mikeler
01-01-2011, 05:34 PM
I would string the NRG at 62 or 63. Anything above that and it seems to be a waste since it breaks so quickly.

Couldn't have said it better myself :)


I was thinking 62 before I asked. Thanks for the info. Killer thread...:)

pvaudio
01-01-2011, 06:15 PM
pvaudio,

Have you ever hit with Signum Pro Plasma HEXtreme16L (1.25mm)?

I"m trying to find another soft co-poly that has offers spin over power, and want to try it with NRG2 and SNGPS.
Someone didn't look at the list of strings that I own :)

Yes I have hit with SPPHEX; I own a reel of it. What would you like to know?

g4driver
01-01-2011, 07:08 PM
Someone didn't look at the list of strings that I own :)

Yes I have hit with SPPHEX; I own a reel of it. What would you like to know?

I knew you had it in your list of strings, just wasn't sure if you had hit with it. I own several strings I've never hit. Mostly strings that people have requested for their frames.

1) What is SPPHEX like in terms of spin generation compared to WC Scorpion?

2) How would you compare it in terms of softness/stiffness compared to other polys?

3) Is it a lowered powered poly?

Thanks again.

pvaudio
01-01-2011, 07:33 PM
1. It's better than Scorpion...initially. The ridges on the HEX wear off very quickly so you're left with just SPPP which doesn't excel in spin.

2. It's almost exactly in the middle. Seriously, you wouldn't pick it up and say geez, this is soft or stiff. It's average.

3. Yep, HEX and its smooth variant SPPP are lower power poly strings. You bring the heat :)

mctennis
01-01-2011, 08:17 PM
I've noticed with most of the ridged strings they seem to wear off pretty fast then you are left with some sort of regular string that does spin as well. I've stopped using all those strings. Just my 2 cents worth on ridged strings ( worth a lot less than 2 cents).

airman88
01-01-2011, 08:38 PM
Idk if you do full bed poly at all. But would you be interesting in trying out black magic mains and typhoon gray crosses (do you have the gray)? I love my typhoon gray full bed, but I am having a little arm trouble above the elbow. But I also don't like dropping the tension. I think black magic/typhoon gray will be a great combo of feel, power, ball pocketing, and ball bite/spin and be fairly soft in a full bed setup. I'd be interested to see what you thought if you have an extra racket to fill up any time soon.

MarrratSafin
01-01-2011, 10:07 PM
1. It's better than Scorpion...initially. The ridges on the HEX wear off very quickly so you're left with just SPPP which doesn't excel in spin.

2. It's almost exactly in the middle. Seriously, you wouldn't pick it up and say geez, this is soft or stiff. It's average.

3. Yep, HEX and its smooth variant SPPP are lower power poly strings. You bring the heat :)

Good stuff, spot on! I've found strings like RPM Blast and Blue Gear to wear off ridges much faster than Hextreme though, Hextreme's isn't that bad compared to those.:lol:

g4driver
01-02-2011, 03:35 AM
Thanks for the comments on SPPHEX.

Have you done a WC Scorpion / WC Explosive, or Scorpion/NRG2 setup before?

I looked through this thread, but didn't find it.

Icedorb217
01-02-2011, 11:13 AM
Can do you SpinX with Mantis Power Synthetic?

niketennispro
01-02-2011, 11:15 AM
Or Spin X with Mantis Comfort Synthetic? :D

pvaudio
01-02-2011, 12:09 PM
Well, the gut finally broke on me:

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/4233/img1346b.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1586/img1349f.jpg

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/3284/img1350ac.jpg

In the end:

WeissCANNON Scorpion 1.22 / PerforMAXX WhisperTouch 17L Natural Gut

Power: 8.5/10

Control: 9/10

Feel: 9.5/10

Spin: 8.75/10

Durability: 8/10

Tension Maintenance: 9.75/10

Total: 53.5/60

Final Total: 89/100

This one will certainly be hard to beat. The poly had long gone dead, but yet the gut just did its job and kept the feel to the point that it played like a low-feel poly setup. I honestly cannot see myself finding a better setup. :)

pvaudio
01-02-2011, 12:18 PM
Stringing: This is an interesting one. Even in the mains, Typhoon is a monster to string. It absolutely hates being handled. IMO, of all of the highly textured, shaped and extruded strings that I've strung up, Typhoon is the most annoying. It was just going in the mains, and it was still trying to kink up on me. That said, it didn't really seem to be an issue once tensioned, so we'll see how it goes. I've already talked about NRG2's ease of stringing, and it was the same here. Nothing to talk about. Tension: 55/57, knot setting on cross tie-offs.

Playability: This is an interesting one. I strung this setup lower than any other stringjob that I've ever played with in my entire life. I have never strung NRG2 below 60lbs, ever. I only did so here because I didn't want a huge discrepancy between my Typhoon tension and the cross tension. With that said, after an hour of hitting, this is a letdown. It just doesn't have enough power. Those are words I never thought that I'd ever say. You have to work extremely hard to get the ball over the net, let alone past the service line. The actual feel of the ball is excellent though: super crisp with a nice THUNK sound. The feel leaves something to be desired, however. At the net, it just feels dead. You can't really gauge your touch shots well and modulating the amount of power vs. spin on a shot is even harder since there's no power to work with. The spin is...adequate. If you know how to make spin, then this will be fine for you. Otherwise, I have to be honest: this isn't a setup that I'll be using in the future.

Durability: Minimal fraying of the NRG. Perhaps once the NRG loosens up the pop will come back to the stringbed. Who knows. I don't really care since it was such a let down.

Overall: 8/10

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/7285/img0232cr.jpg

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/2175/img0234xi.jpg

pvaudio
01-02-2011, 12:23 PM
Based on my new criteria and the two above posts, the next main string to be tested is Genesis SpinX. I just need a cross, and consider it strung. :)

GoodSamaritan
01-02-2011, 12:31 PM
PV, you should give WC's Black5Edge a try. I'm really excited to string mine up probably sometime next month. Based on the reviews, it just might be able to surpass Scorpion. I'm looking forward to your thoughts as well as mine :)

rudester
01-02-2011, 12:47 PM
Re: Typhoon/ NRG2
Both of these are favorite strings, however like you, I have tried Typhoon in a hybrid with NRG2, and with 5 or six other multifibres, and IMHO, Typhoon is best in a full bed so i have given up trying to hybrid it, it is plenty soft and plays best when strung at normal tension.

niketennispro
01-02-2011, 01:54 PM
Mantis comfort synthetic in the crosses please! :D

pvaudio
01-02-2011, 03:22 PM
Having thought about it today, I think that this typhoon setup might work even at a lower tension, say 52lbs? Plus, I think a more powerful cross would work better, so after I play tomorrow and if it turns out not to be spectacular, I think I'll put some PerforMAXX in as the cross instead.

Moreover, I just now realized that having broken two of my playtest frames' strings, I only have this one to last me through a 3 setter tomorrow.Let's just hope that I don't need to go back to the 3/8 racquet. :)

Icedorb217
01-02-2011, 06:34 PM
Mantis comfort synthetic in the crosses please! :D

I think you mean power synthetic!

pvaudio
01-02-2011, 07:13 PM
Which one's it gonna be! :)

rodrigoamaral
01-03-2011, 07:21 AM
Which one's it gonna be! :)

are you still going to be testing the hexonic in a hybrid or no?

pepka
01-03-2011, 08:00 AM
^^ Comfort;) power is something You can get on Your own... comfort is not ;)

g4driver
01-03-2011, 08:17 AM
Thanks for the update on the Typhoon/NRG2.

Rudester, thanks for your info as well.

Torres
01-03-2011, 09:03 AM
Which one's it gonna be! :)

Can you try one of the lower power 'feel' type multis in the mains, and what you consider to be one of the more comfortable polys in the mains, both at say around 50lbs and comment on spin, feel, control and power?

Maybe something like Mantis Comfort and Black Code?

pvaudio
01-03-2011, 06:16 PM
Stringing: This is an interesting one. Even in the mains, Typhoon is a monster to string. It absolutely hates being handled. IMO, of all of the highly textured, shaped and extruded strings that I've strung up, Typhoon is the most annoying. It was just going in the mains, and it was still trying to kink up on me. That said, it didn't really seem to be an issue once tensioned, so we'll see how it goes. I've already talked about NRG2's ease of stringing, and it was the same here. Nothing to talk about. Tension: 55/57, knot setting on cross tie-offs.

Playability: This is an interesting one. I strung this setup lower than any other stringjob that I've ever played with in my entire life. I have never strung NRG2 below 60lbs, ever. I only did so here because I didn't want a huge discrepancy between my Typhoon tension and the cross tension. With that said, after an hour of hitting, this is a letdown. It just doesn't have enough power. Those are words I never thought that I'd ever say. You have to work extremely hard to get the ball over the net, let alone past the service line. The actual feel of the ball is excellent though: super crisp with a nice THUNK sound. The feel leaves something to be desired, however. At the net, it just feels dead. You can't really gauge your touch shots well and modulating the amount of power vs. spin on a shot is even harder since there's no power to work with. The spin is...adequate. If you know how to make spin, then this will be fine for you. Otherwise, I have to be honest: this isn't a setup that I'll be using in the future.

Durability: Minimal fraying of the NRG. Perhaps once the NRG loosens up the pop will come back to the stringbed. Who knows. I don't really care since it was such a let down.

Overall: 8/10

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/7285/img0232cr.jpg

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/2175/img0234xi.jpg

I played with this for 2.5 hours today and have made my verdict. I'm sorry, but this setup is just garbage. It has no power, no real spin, no feel, and plays like a board. I would have assumed I strung it at 65lbs. That's how dead it feels. Without question, the worst setup yet. I resorted to using my 4 3/8 racquet with scorpion/whispertouch because the typhoon hybrid was so atrocious. Would not recommend, and definitely not in a stiffer frame. I shall be cutting this out tomorrow.

In the end:

Genesis Typhoon 16L / Technifibre NRG2 1.18

Power: 6/10

Control: 7/10

Feel: 5/10

Spin: 7.5/10

Durability: 8/10

Tension Maintenance: 9/10

Total: 42.5/60

Final Total: 71/100

bad_call
01-03-2011, 07:44 PM
are you still going to be testing the hexonic in a hybrid or no?

not pvaudio here but...strung up Hexonic hybrid tonite. will post hit outcome.

pvaudio
01-03-2011, 07:59 PM
I can still do a Hexonic setup. You tell me what you want in it. :)

bad_call
01-03-2011, 08:17 PM
^^ pvaudio - reads like we have similar string tastes...probably posted that before but have to chuckle when i read your reviews. :)

pvaudio
01-04-2011, 08:38 AM
Maybe we just share good taste :D