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dandelion_smiley
01-11-2011, 06:12 AM
to avoid posts like "Federer has a **** easy draw again, Nadal has the hardest"

No 3 and 4 - Djokovic/Soderling - who's considered a bigger threat?
No 5-8 - Murray, Berdych, Ferrer, Roddick - who's the toughest, the 2nd toughest, 3rd toughest and 4th toughest out of the 4?
No 9-16 - Verdasco, Youzhny, Melzer, Monfils, Tsonga, Almagro, Cilic, Fish - and here?
No 17-32 - Ljubicic, Querrey, Wawrinka, Isner, Baghdatis, Llodra, Davydenko, Gulbis, Montanes, Monaco, Nalbandian, Troicki, Gasquet, Bellucci, Lopez, Garcia-Lopez - ?

For those *********s who are going to cry if Nadal gets Murray in his quarter or semi - most likely have nooblets till that point, Murray loses early and we have a great combo for a typical Nadal draw.

Your thoughts?

HBK4life
01-11-2011, 06:20 AM
I don't consider a draw in any grandslam easy for anyone. They are all pros.

stanton warrior
01-11-2011, 06:29 AM
3/4: Djokovic, but Söderling seems to be in good form as well
5-6: Murray, Ferrer, Berdych, Roddick (the last 3 are close)
9-16: Tsonga, Melzer, Monfils, (big gap), Verdasco, Youzhny, Fish, Almagro, Cilic
17-32: Davydenko far ahead, the rest is hard to tell.

joeri888
01-11-2011, 06:30 AM
In order of toughness

3 or 4: 1. Djokovic, 2. Soderling
5 to8: 1. Murray, 2. Berdych, 3. Roddick, 4. Ferrer
9 to 16: All very capable, but nobody jumps out. Maybe Tsonga the toughest since he did very well here twice.
16-32: Obv. Davydenko toughest, Nalby dangerous. Other than that, nobody very capable of beating Rafa or Rog.

Other: DELPO

aphex
01-11-2011, 06:36 AM
Doesn't matter...Gulbis will destroy everyone...

cknobman
01-11-2011, 06:37 AM
Its impossible to say until we see whos side of the draw everyone is on ;)

At that point we can then go on to accurately say that Federer has the easier draw he because drew "X" player(s) "as usual" and Rafa got screwed because he drew "X" player(s) "as usual". :rolleyes:

joeri888
01-11-2011, 06:39 AM
The obv. thing is that a guy like Roddick isn't very EASY for Nadal, but is for Federer, for instance. Like pretty much anyone but Rafa and Murray are tougher for anybody but Federer. Therefore almost by def. Fed has the easy draw, unless he gets Delpo 3rd round, Davy 4th round, Murray quarter, Djokovic semi and Rafa final.

dandelion_smiley
01-11-2011, 06:49 AM
The obv. thing is that a guy like Roddick isn't very EASY for Nadal, but is for Federer, for instance. Like pretty much anyone but Rafa and Murray are tougher for anybody but Federer. Therefore almost by def. Fed has the easy draw, unless he gets Delpo 3rd round, Davy 4th round, Murray quarter, Djokovic semi and Rafa final.

exactly my point

Federer wouldnt care less if he got to play Murray Soderling or Djokovic. He'd probably beat them all if he had to.

Nadal facing any of the 3 (especially Murray) is a nightmare for him.

Btw I'm wondering are people more curious to see where Del Potro or Murray is. Don't think Del Po is a threat at this point but still I wouldn't like to see him as a 1st or 2nd round oponent if I were Nadal/Federer.

joeri888
01-11-2011, 06:51 AM
exactly my point

Federer wouldnt care less if he got to play Murray Soderling or Djokovic. He'd probably beat them all if he had to.

Nadal facing any of the 3 (especially Murray) is a nightmare for him.

Btw I'm wondering are people more curious to see where Del Potro or Murray is. Don't think Del Po is a threat at this point but still I wouldn't like to see him as a 1st or 2nd round oponent if I were Nadal/Federer.

2nd round shouldn't do much harm, but first rounders are tricky and Delpo will feel he has little to lose. A second round would be easier. Delpo will probably feel a little sour already and the big seed is already in it. A match like Tsonga-DelPo could be a very interesting first weeker though no doubt. Probably more so than Delpo-Nadal or delpo Federer.

To answer your question. Murray is more interesting.

Wilander Fan
01-11-2011, 07:05 AM
Federer in current form probably doesnt care who he ends up playing, including Nadal. Anyway, I dont think Nadal makes it to the final. There are many good HC players out there.

Wilander Fan
01-11-2011, 07:14 AM
to avoid posts like "Federer has a **** easy draw again, Nadal has the hardest"

No 3 and 4 - Djokovic/Soderling - who's considered a bigger threat?
No 5-8 - Murray, Berdych, Ferrer, Roddick - who's the toughest, the 2nd toughest, 3rd toughest and 4th toughest out of the 4?
No 9-16 - Verdasco, Youzhny, Melzer, Monfils, Tsonga, Almagro, Cilic, Fish - and here?
No 17-32 - Ljubicic, Querrey, Wawrinka, Isner, Baghdatis, Llodra, Davydenko, Gulbis, Montanes, Monaco, Nalbandian, Troicki, Gasquet, Bellucci, Lopez, Garcia-Lopez - ?

For those *********s who are going to cry if Nadal gets Murray in his quarter or semi - most likely have nooblets till that point, Murray loses early and we have a great combo for a typical Nadal draw.

Your thoughts?

Interestingly, I think 17-32 has better players than 9-16. Also, I dont think Ferrer has ever beaten Federer or Nadal in like 20 or 30 tries and Berdych seems to have lost all his confidence. The real threats are Davy, Wawrinka, and Gulbis. Llodra is also dangerous IF he is on his game.

Semi-Pro
01-11-2011, 07:15 AM
Doesn't matter...Gulbis will destroy everyone...

I like this:):)

*Claps*

stanton warrior
01-11-2011, 07:18 AM
Interestingly, I think 17-32 has better players than 9-16. Also, I dont think Ferrer has ever beaten Federer or Nadal in like 20 or 30 tries and Berdych seems to have lost all his confidence. The real threats are Davy, Wawrinka, and Gulbis. Llodra is also dangerous IF he is on his game.
Ferrer has beaten Nadal twice in 2007 and was close to beating Federer a few years ago. But I agree that he isn't a big threat to either of them at this point.

I'd love to see Llodra do well in Melbourne, but I think the surface's too slow for him to cover his weaknesses.

dandelion_smiley
01-11-2011, 07:24 AM
Interestingly, I think 17-32 has better players than 9-16. Also, I dont think Ferrer has ever beaten Federer or Nadal in like 20 or 30 tries and Berdych seems to have lost all his confidence. The real threats are Davy, Wawrinka, and Gulbis. Llodra is also dangerous IF he is on his game.

Interestingly, numbers 6-8 aren't that tough as well. Roddick is turning into a pusher, won't even make it to the quarters, Ferrer no comment (won't probably make it as well) and Berdych who as you said lost plenty of confidence (I think he has lost more MATCHES than he won since Toronto 2010. Will drop out of the top 10 this year for sure if he doesn't start putting things together right now).

We've got a very strong top 5 group tho, you could make a case for everyone from it being the favorite.

From the 9-16 group the only players who could go deap and mean something (but when they're on) are Melzer and Tsonga.

The 17-32 group - I'd say Davydenko is by far the best and if he plays well he's my quarterfinalist IF he doesn't end up in Federer's/Nadal's/Murray's round of 16/round of 32, guys like Gulbis, Querrey, Wawrinka, Baghdatis, Llodra, Nalbandian are good enough to cause 1 upset but surely won't see many of them go deep

Del Potro won't go far, I can tell but who am I to value a slam champion. Maybe we're going to see Del Po do a Safin 04'

NadalAgassi
01-11-2011, 07:24 AM
No 3 and 4 - Djokovic/Soderling - not much difference either way ATM to be honest. I dont think either are currently a threat to either Federer or Nadal in top form.

No 5-8 - Murray, Berdych, Ferrer, Roddick - Murray toughest by far inspite of his not having won a slam yet. Roddick is next biggest I think, inspite of his questionable form at the moment and poor head to head with Federer. The guy still is a slam winner, has been a top player for years, and has the weapons and belief to pull a big surprise (as unlikely as it might be at this point). Berdych is no threat whatsoever to Nadal and with Federer out of his spring/summer 2009 funk I dont think he is much threat to him either. If Murray or Djokovic play well I dont think he will be beating them either except on their worst surfaces (Murray on clay, Djokovic on grass). Ferrer doesnt have the weapons to beat Federer or Nadal (current Nadal) in a slam, or any of the top 5 really. Probably Berdych over Ferrer. So Murray > Roddick > Berdych > Ferrer


No 9-16 - Verdasco, Youzhny, Melzer, Monfils, Tsonga, Almagro, Cilic, Fish -
I think Monfils is the most dangerous. I think Melzer is next since he seems very in form at the moment. Tsonga next since he has played some great ball here in the past, but not higher just because he doesnt seem in form for awhile now. Almagro after that. Then Youzhny. Then Fish. Then the slumping Cilic. Verdasco last, he will never beat a real top player in a slam again barring a miracle.


No 17-32 - Ljubicic, Querrey, Wawrinka, Isner, Baghdatis, Llodra, Davydenko, Gulbis, Montanes, Monaco, Nalbandian, Troicki, Gasquet, Bellucci, Lopez, Garcia-Lopez - I think Davydenko is definitely most dangerous right now. After that Isner because of his serve. Nalbandian after that, inspite of his questionable form and fitness. Then I would actually pick Troicki just with how he ended last year and has played top players of late. Querrey after that, he needs to pay with more fire against the big names in slams. Then Wawrinka. Then Llodra I guess, just based on recent form. Then Gulbis. Then Baghdatis who is a health question now. Ljubicic next. Then I guess Lopez, Gasquet, and Monaco, probably in that order, who all might be able to upset a moderate seed, but probably not a top 8 one. I dont see Montanes, Bellucci, Garcia-Lopez pulling any upsets on this surface, all would do well just to hold seed.

joeri888
01-11-2011, 07:26 AM
Interestingly, numbers 6-8 aren't that tough as well. Roddick is turning into a pusher, won't even make it to the quarters, Ferrer no comment (won't probably make it as well) and Berdych who as you said lost plenty of confidence (I think he has lost more MATCHES than he won since Toronto 2010. Will drop out of the top 10 this year for sure if he doesn't start putting things together right now).

We've got a very strong top 5 group tho, you could make a case for everyone from it being the favorite.

From the 9-16 group the only players who could go deap and mean something (but when they're on) are Melzer and Tsonga.

The 17-32 group - I'd say Davydenko is by far the best and if he plays well he's my quarterfinalist IF he doesn't end up in Federer's/Nadal's/Murray's round of 16/round of 32, guys like Gulbis, Querrey, Wawrinka, Baghdatis, Llodra, Nalbandian are good enough to cause 1 upset but surely won't see many of them go deep

Del Potro won't go far, I can tell but who am I to value a slam champion. Maybe we're going to see Del Po do a Safin 04'

Wouldn't bet my house on Roddick not making quarters. I don't see him losing to guys like Wawrinka. Roddick shows up at slams usually.

Eternally_damned
01-11-2011, 07:58 AM
*********s will of course wait till after the draw is out to respond in this thread so that they can keep their double standards.

Clay lover
01-11-2011, 08:31 AM
wasted alert

nikdom
01-11-2011, 08:39 AM
grow up guys, it's just a draw...

You thought the internet was a good invention? guess what,

too much information nowadays just means too much more bullsh*t...

so far in this thread, you're the only one who is creating the bs. Why don't you just shut it if you don't have anything to say.

Messarger
01-11-2011, 08:42 AM
There are so many permutations and combinations it's virtually impossible to come up with the draw that any player will face. But i think we should have a criteria of what a difficult draw is. Are we using rankings, post Wimbledon 2010 performance, h2h, or form of 2011 so far? When the draw comes out i can bet my house that both sides (***** and ****s) will use some of the above criterias to suit their argument that their man have the harder draw, which is ******** on a plate to me.

just watch.

nikdom
01-11-2011, 08:42 AM
I don't consider a draw in any grandslam easy for anyone. They are all pros.

Correct answer. Murray alluded to it recently as well, if you're going to win a Slam, you're going to have to beat the top guys along the way - no one gets handed one unless there are retirements or walkovers.

aphex
01-11-2011, 08:43 AM
grow up guys, it's just a draw...

You thought the internet was a good invention? guess what,

too much information nowadays just means too much more bullsh*t...

I agree. You shouldn't be subjected to this. Leave the internet immediately. kthxbai.

viduka0101
01-11-2011, 08:45 AM
Djokovic
Soderling
----------------------------
Murray
Roddick
Berdych
Ferrer
----------------------------
Tsonga
Youzhny
Verdasco/Melzer/Monfils
Almagro/Cilic/Fish
----------------------------
Davydenko
Baghdatis
Wawrinka/Isner/Querrey/Nalbandian/Troicki/Gasquet
Llodra/Montanes/Monaco/ Bellucci/Lope/, Garcia-Lopez - ?
Ljubicic
Gulbis

rainingaces
01-11-2011, 08:53 AM
Bahgdadtis has to be considered a threat because of what he has done here in the past.

It might be easier to just list the players who are not a threat to the top 3.

Verdasco, Youzhny, Melzer, Monfils, Almagro, Cilic, Ljubicic, Llodra, Montanes, Monaco, Troicki, Gasquet, Bellucci, Lopez, Garcia-Lopez. Are not going to scare Fed or Nadal.

Murray, Davy, Berdych, Del Potro and Baghdatis are the main ones to avoid.

Pioneer
01-11-2011, 08:58 AM
1. Soderling
2. Berdych
3. Djokovic
4. Roddick (he will most liekily steamroll everybody till the quarters)
5. Muri and Ferrer

MichaelNadal
01-11-2011, 09:36 AM
I don't consider a draw in any grandslam easy for anyone. They are all pros.

Totally agree. And love your shout out's to HBK and Randy Savage :)

dlk
01-11-2011, 09:41 AM
Djokovic
Soderling
----------------------------
Murray
Roddick
Berdych
Ferrer
----------------------------
Tsonga
Youzhny
Verdasco/Melzer/Monfils
Almagro/Cilic/Fish
----------------------------
Davydenko
Baghdatis
Wawrinka/Isner/Querrey/Nalbandian/Troicki/Gasquet
Llodra/Montanes/Monaco/ Bellucci/Lope/, Garcia-Lopez - ?
Ljubicic
Gulbis

I can live with this assessment.

nadalbestclass
01-11-2011, 09:46 AM
to avoid posts like "Federer has a **** easy draw again, Nadal has the hardest"

No 3 and 4 - Djokovic/Soderling - who's considered a bigger threat?
No 5-8 - Murray, Berdych, Ferrer, Roddick - who's the toughest, the 2nd toughest, 3rd toughest and 4th toughest out of the 4?
No 9-16 - Verdasco, Youzhny, Melzer, Monfils, Tsonga, Almagro, Cilic, Fish - and here?
No 17-32 - Ljubicic, Querrey, Wawrinka, Isner, Baghdatis, Llodra, Davydenko, Gulbis, Montanes, Monaco, Nalbandian, Troicki, Gasquet, Bellucci, Lopez, Garcia-Lopez - ?

For those *********s who are going to cry if Nadal gets Murray in his quarter or semi - most likely have nooblets till that point, Murray loses early and we have a great combo for a typical Nadal draw.

Your thoughts?

I haven't read the rest of the thread. But let me put it this way. Your points are fair, BUT Nadal has big match up issues. Just the way it is with Federer. When Fed is playing well, he can pretty much "glide" through anyone, barring Nadal and maybe Novak and the "old" Delpo when they are playing well. OTOH Even when Nadal is playing really well, players like Murray and Davy can give him a lot of trouble, off of clay/grass. Now you can call this excuse making or whatever else. I don't care. Listing out players as saying who is tougher than who, and lets not kid our selves this is about Nadal and Fed, doesn't make a lotta sense. Unless you list those players that give Nadal the most trouble, and those players that give Fed the most trouble in slams. Then after the draw comes out, look at that distribution, then you can make a case for an easy or difficult draw.