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Commando Tennis Shorts
01-11-2011, 02:30 PM
OK, major draw conspiracy theorists, we've had a lot of fun with this in the past, so let's not disappoint. What do you think the draw for the Australian Open will look like. Will Murray and Nadal be on the same side? What other (fixed?) matchups can we look forward to?

kishnabe
01-11-2011, 02:31 PM
A fixed draw is a Nadal with most potential Spaniards or a Federer with a Roddick, Murray and some other lopsided guys (Slams)!

rainingaces
01-11-2011, 02:36 PM
Murray in Soders quater, expect as easy a draw possible for Hewitt. Nadal first round match will be a qualifier, Federers will be a claycourter like chela.

All the spanish and French players meeting early 1st, 2nd rounds. Del Potro, Nalbandian, Baghdatis and Davydenko (the dangers) in the same half of the draw.

batz
01-11-2011, 02:51 PM
Nadal gets

R1 Delpo
R2 Berankis
R3 Davydenko
R4 Tsonga
QF Murray
SF Novak
F Roger

Roger gets 6 byes into the Final. Fed fans say: "looks like a pretty balanced draw"

Turning Pro
01-11-2011, 02:54 PM
looks like a brutal draw besides r2, swap that guy with hewitt

rovex
01-11-2011, 02:55 PM
looks like a brutal draw besides r2, swap that guy with hewitt

And tsonga for nalbo

bolo
01-11-2011, 03:00 PM
Obviously the draw is fixed against the world no. 2, which as we all know is federer. This means federer will get djokovic, murray, roddick and dasco. :) Keeping my fingers crossed. :)

bolo
01-11-2011, 03:00 PM
Nadal gets

R1 Delpo
R2 Berankis
R3 Davydenko
R4 Tsonga
QF Murray
SF Novak
F Roger

Roger gets 6 byes into the Final. Fed fans say: "looks like a pretty balanced draw"

lol. 10 char. :)

jman
01-11-2011, 03:06 PM
Nadal gets

R1 Delpo
R2 Berankis
R3 Davydenko
R4 Tsonga
QF Murray
SF Novak
F Roger

Roger gets 6 byes into the Final. Fed fans say: "looks like a pretty balanced draw"


My GOD! If Nadal had such a draw and got through it. He would certainly be considered one of the GOATS, plus he'd he'd be holding all 4 at the same time... That draw is BRUTAL!

jman
01-11-2011, 03:07 PM
Nadal gets

R1 Delpo
R2 Berankis
R3 Davydenko
R4 Tsonga
QF Murray
SF Novak
F Roger

Roger gets 6 byes into the Final. Fed fans say: "looks like a pretty balanced draw"


My GOD! If Nadal had such a draw and got through it. He would certainly be
considered one of the GOAT's, plus he'd he'd be holding all 4 at the same time... That draw is BRUTAL!

Rippy
01-11-2011, 03:12 PM
If Murray is on Nadal's side, we'll have an absolutely huge number of posts about a "fixed draw".

P_Agony
01-11-2011, 03:23 PM
Nadal gets

R1 Delpo
R2 Berankis
R3 Davydenko
R4 Tsonga
QF Murray
SF Novak
F Roger

Roger gets 6 byes into the Final. Fed fans say: "looks like a pretty balanced draw"

Funny, I was thinking more like:

Fed's draw:

R1: Tsonga
R2: Delpo
R3: Davydenko
R4: Soderling
QF: Djokovic
SF: Murray
F: Nadal

while Nadal's will be filled with Robredos until the SF where he gets a super tough opponent in the form of his wife Verdasco, and then *******s will go "oh another Federer joke draw" or "again Nadal gets screwed with a tough draw".

P_Agony
01-11-2011, 03:25 PM
If Murray is on Nadal's side, we'll have an absolutely huge number of posts about a "fixed draw".

I remember *******s crying about Nadal getting Djokovic in his draw at the FO all the time. Then Fed gets Djokovic for the past 4 slams and suddenly Djokovic becomes irrelevant, its all about Murray now.

Rippy
01-11-2011, 03:27 PM
I remember *******s crying about Nadal getting Djokovic in his draw at the FO all the time. Then Fed gets Djokovic for the past 4 slams and suddenly Djokovic becomes irrelevant, its all about Murray now.

Slam fixing is complicated.

The French is fixed for Djokovic to be in Nadal's half.

All other slams are fixed for Murray to be in Nadal's half.

:)

The-Champ
01-11-2011, 03:54 PM
murray never ends up in Nadal's draw at the FO.

batz
01-11-2011, 04:04 PM
murray never ends up in Nadal's draw at the FO.

He was in 2009 mate. And 2008.

The-Champ
01-11-2011, 04:06 PM
He was in 2009 mate. And 2008.

my bad...:(

Tennis sensation
01-12-2011, 12:07 AM
Nadal gets

R1 Delpo
R2 Berankis
R3 Davydenko
R4 Tsonga
QF Murray
SF Novak
F Roger

Roger gets 6 byes into the Final. Fed fans say: "looks like a pretty balanced draw"
That will be a VERY VERY difficult draw.

Tennis sensation
01-12-2011, 12:12 AM
Funny, I was thinking more like:

Fed's draw:

R1: Tsonga
R2: Delpo
R3: Davydenko
R4: Soderling
QF: Djokovic
SF: Murray
F: Nadal

while Nadal's will be filled with Robredos until the SF where he gets a super tough opponent in the form of his wife Verdasco, and then *******s will go "oh another Federer joke draw" or "again Nadal gets screwed with a tough draw".

I don;t think Seed #2 will play Seed #13 or 14 even if the draw is heavily in favour of Nadal.

namelessone
01-12-2011, 12:57 AM
Nadal and Federer will have cupcake draws.

cknobman
01-12-2011, 07:28 AM
Nadal gets

R1 Delpo
R2 Nalbandian
R3 Davydenko
R4 Tsonga
QF Murray
SF Novak
F Roger

Roger gets 6 byes into the Final.

I liked your Nadal picks but made one update in the second round.

I would say Fed should get:

R1 Hewitt
R2 Solderling
R3 Roddick
R4 Donald Young
QF Monfils
SF Ferrero
F Robredo

Sentinel
01-12-2011, 08:26 AM
Nadal gets

R1 Delpo
R2 Berankis
R3 Davydenko
R4 Tsonga
QF Murray
SF Novak
F Roger

Roger gets 6 byes into the Final. Fed fans say: "looks like a pretty balanced draw"
So who gets Berdych and Soderling, wise guy ;)
I presume Roger.

If Roger gets these 4, it would be a cakewalk, right? (considering how he's shredded them recently)

R3 Davydenko
R4 Tsonga
QF Murray
SF Novak

kOaMaster
01-12-2011, 08:48 AM
a super tough opponent in the form of his wife Verdasco

hahaha :D


I don't care about the draw, the champion needs 7 straight wins, that's all.

Rippy
01-12-2011, 08:50 AM
When is the draw made?

rovex
01-12-2011, 08:52 AM
I don't care about the draw, the champion needs 7 straight wins, that's all.

So if someone had to play 7 qualifiers to win, you wouldn't care?:shock:

Lion King
01-12-2011, 10:09 AM
Funny, I was thinking more like:

Fed's draw:

R1: Tsonga
R2: Delpo
R3: Davydenko
R4: Soderling
QF: Djokovic
SF: Murray
F: Nadal

while Nadal's will be filled with Robredos until the SF where he gets a super tough opponent in the form of his wife Verdasco, and then *******s will go "oh another Federer joke draw" or "again Nadal gets screwed with a tough draw".

His wife Verdasco...... hahahahaha!

Lion King
01-12-2011, 10:11 AM
Nadal and Federer will have cupcake draws.

Or do they make their draws look cupcake? Seriously, who is a super tough opponent for Fed or Rafa at the AO?

Lion King
01-12-2011, 10:12 AM
When is the draw made?

Friday............

Lion King
01-12-2011, 10:15 AM
C'mon people, how do you rig a random draw? Have you ever heard of the concept of random events? If Fed consistently gets "easy" draws, it only means that he is a very good player and few opponents are real dangers for him. Same goes for Nadal, Murray, or anyone else. Anyone can get a fluke draw once. It's much more rare to get fluke draws on a regular basis.

Bud
01-12-2011, 10:19 AM
OK, major draw conspiracy theorists, we've had a lot of fun with this in the past, so let's not disappoint. What do you think the draw for the Australian Open will look like. Will Murray and Nadal be on the same side? What other (fixed?) matchups can we look forward to?

You KNOW that Murray will once again be in Nadal's half! :)

Who also wants to bet Davydenko will end up in Nadal's side as well?

How many times does that make for Murray?

seffina
01-12-2011, 10:44 AM
I just want Djokovic to have a decently difficult draw... he has lucked out with some easy ones (until the semis) in the last few slams.

Not that I don't like him, but COME ON! ((C) GOB)

batz
01-12-2011, 11:14 AM
You KNOW that Murray will once again be in Nadal's half! :)

Who also wants to bet Davydenko will end up in Nadal's side as well?

How many times does that make for Murray?

A lot of times.

Every 2010 slam.

Every 2009 slam that Rafa played.

Every 2008 slam.

AO 2007 (Murray didn't play RG or SW19)

veroniquem
01-12-2011, 11:32 AM
So who gets Berdych and Soderling, wise guy ;)




They'll lose early of course.

veroniquem
01-12-2011, 11:34 AM
Nadal gets

R1 Delpo
R2 Berankis
R3 Davydenko
R4 Tsonga
QF Murray
SF Novak
F Roger

Roger gets 6 byes into the Final. Fed fans say: "looks like a pretty balanced draw"
Bingo. No need to wait for the real draw now, you said it all.

meg0529
01-12-2011, 11:42 AM
A lot of times.

Every 2010 slam.

Every 2009 slam that Rafa played.

Every 2008 slam.

AO 2007 (Murray didn't play RG or SW19)

Is this true? that's nuts! I hope 2011 will break this trend!

batz
01-12-2011, 11:50 AM
Is this true? that's nuts! I hope 2011 will break this trend!

I think so. I'm happy to stand corrected if I've got any of it wrong but I'm pretty sure it's bang on. 12 out of the last 13 with the last 11 straight.

rovex
01-12-2011, 11:52 AM
Is this true? that's nuts! I hope 2011 will break this trend!

Why? So rafito doesn't get beat again?

If anything, you should want Murray, so at least if nadal wins the title it won't be a walk in the park.

meg0529
01-12-2011, 11:54 AM
Why? So rafito doesn't get beat again?

If anything, you should want Murray, so at least if nadal wins the title it won't be a walk in the park.

Many reasons :)

Rippy
01-12-2011, 12:57 PM
Bingo. No need to wait for the real draw now, you said it all.

Remember your incredibly accurate comments on the US Open draw after it was published?

You listed all of the "brilliant" players in Nadal's half, who all proceeded to have early exits. :oops:

dandelion_smiley
01-12-2011, 12:57 PM
A lot of times.

Every 2010 slam.

Every 2009 slam that Rafa played.

Every 2008 slam.

AO 2007 (Murray didn't play RG or SW19)

2010 UO - Murray in Nadal's draw, Murray lost before the quarters, Djokovic went on to beat Federer in that tournament and had a shot in the final
2010 W - Murray in Nadal's draw, Djokovic reached the semis as well
2010 FO - Murray in Federer's draw, lost early, Djokovic lost just before he was to meet Nadal
2010 AO - Murray in Nadal's quarter, beat the Spaniard in straight sets but wait, surprise, Federer beat Murray in straights in the final

2009 UO - Murray was the no 2, he got Nadal in the draw but ONCE AGAIN he failed to reach the semis, Djokovic reached the semis to play Federer
2009 W - no Nadal in the tournament
2009 FO - Murray in Nadal's half, both failed to reach the semis, Djokovic failed too
2009 AO - Murray in Nadal's half, yet AGAIN failed to reach the semis, Djokovic lost in the quarters

2008 UO - Murray in Nadal's half, beat the Spaniard but AGAIN, surprise, went down to Federer in straights
2008 W - Murray in Nadal's quarter

before that doesn't matter

So it's not like Nadal gets Murray every single time. Also, Murray often underperforms (out of the last 6 hard court Slams he failed to reach the quarters 4 times!) whilst Djokovic is constantly a threat at the US Open (2 finals and 2 semis since 2007 are excellent results + a 2008 AO win and 2 quarters)

So since 2008 it's Djokovic far ahead Murray in hard court slams.

You're crying because Murray has found a solution to beat Nadal on hard courts whilst Federer doesn't mind playing Murray or Djokovic in Slams.

Rippy
01-12-2011, 12:59 PM
2010 UO - Murray in Nadal's draw, Murray lost before the quarters, Djokovic went on to beat Federer in that tournament and had a shot in the final
2010 W - Murray in Nadal's draw, Djokovic reached the semis as well
2010 FO - Murray in Federer's draw, lost early, Djokovic lost just before he was to meet Nadal
2010 AO - Murray in Nadal's quarter, beat the Spaniard in straight sets but wait, surprise, Federer beat Murray in straights in the final

2009 UO - Murray was the no 2, he got Nadal in the draw but ONCE AGAIN he failed to reach the semis, Djokovic reached the semis to play Federer
2009 W - no Nadal in the tournament
2009 FO - Murray in Nadal's half, both failed to reach the semis, Djokovic failed too
2009 AO - Murray in Nadal's half, yet AGAIN failed to reach the semis, Djokovic lost in the quarters

2008 UO - Murray in Nadal's half, beat the Spaniard but AGAIN, surprise, went down to Federer in straights
2008 W - Murray in Nadal's quarter

before that doesn't matter

So it's not like Nadal gets Murray every single time. Also, Murray often underperforms (out of the last 6 hard court Slams he failed to reach the quarters 4 times!) whilst Djokovic is constantly a threat at the US Open (2 finals and 2 semis since 2007 are excellent results + a 2008 AO win and 2 quarters)

So since 2008 it's Djokovic far ahead Murray in hard court slams.

You're crying because Murray has found a solution to beat Nadal on hard courts whilst Federer doesn't mind playing Murray or Djokovic in Slams.

Yep, everyone whined about how unfair it was (despite the fact it was random) that Nadal "got Murray" last US Open instead of Djokovic, and yet Djokovic went out to knock out Federer, and Murray lost to Stan.

meg0529
01-12-2011, 01:00 PM
2010 UO - Murray in Nadal's draw, Murray lost before the quarters, Djokovic went on to beat Federer in that tournament and had a shot in the final
2010 W - Murray in Nadal's draw, Djokovic reached the semis as well
2010 FO - Murray in Federer's draw, lost early, Djokovic lost just before he was to meet Nadal
2010 AO - Murray in Nadal's quarter, beat the Spaniard in straight sets but wait, surprise, Federer beat Murray in straights in the final

2009 UO - Murray was the no 2, he got Nadal in the draw but ONCE AGAIN he failed to reach the semis, Djokovic reached the semis to play Federer
2009 W - no Nadal in the tournament
2009 FO - Murray in Nadal's half, both failed to reach the semis, Djokovic failed too
2009 AO - Murray in Nadal's half, yet AGAIN failed to reach the semis, Djokovic lost in the quarters

2008 UO - Murray in Nadal's half, beat the Spaniard but AGAIN, surprise, went down to Federer in straights
2008 W - Murray in Nadal's quarter

before that doesn't matter

So it's not like Nadal gets Murray every single time. Also, Murray often underperforms (out of the last 6 hard court Slams he failed to reach the quarters 4 times!) whilst Djokovic is constantly a threat at the US Open (2 finals and 2 semis since 2007 are excellent results + a 2008 AO win and 2 quarters)

So since 2008 it's Djokovic far ahead Murray in hard court slams.

No he's not there EVERY time, but considering there is only one, it's pretty damn close. I agree, Murray does tend to underperform. It's not a given though.


You're crying because Murray has found a solution to beat Nadal on hard courts whilst Federer doesn't mind playing Murray or Djokovic in Slams.

Ahah! This further shows that you should not include these two when you are talking about how Fed had tough draws.

Larrysümmers
01-12-2011, 01:00 PM
Rafa has larrusümmers in his round two match...looks like Nadal will be going home early this year.

8PAQ
01-12-2011, 01:02 PM
Nadal gets

R1 Delpo
R2 Berankis
R3 Davydenko
R4 Tsonga
QF Murray
SF Novak
F Roger

Roger gets 6 byes into the Final. Fed fans say: "looks like a pretty balanced draw"

Looks good to me. Finally a good draw.

batz
01-12-2011, 01:02 PM
2010 UO - Murray in Nadal's draw, Murray lost before the quarters, Djokovic went on to beat Federer in that tournament and had a shot in the final
2010 W - Murray in Nadal's draw, Djokovic reached the semis as well
2010 FO - Murray in Federer's draw, lost early, Djokovic lost just before he was to meet Nadal
2010 AO - Murray in Nadal's quarter, beat the Spaniard in straight sets but wait, surprise, Federer beat Murray in straights in the final

2009 UO - Murray was the no 2, he got Nadal in the draw but ONCE AGAIN he failed to reach the semis, Djokovic reached the semis to play Federer
2009 W - no Nadal in the tournament
2009 FO - Murray in Nadal's half, both failed to reach the semis, Djokovic failed too
2009 AO - Murray in Nadal's half, yet AGAIN failed to reach the semis, Djokovic lost in the quarters

2008 UO - Murray in Nadal's half, beat the Spaniard but AGAIN, surprise, went down to Federer in straights
2008 W - Murray in Nadal's quarter

before that doesn't matter

So it's not like Nadal gets Murray every single time. Also, Murray often underperforms (out of the last 6 hard court Slams he failed to reach the quarters 4 times!) whilst Djokovic is constantly a threat at the US Open (2 finals and 2 semis since 2007 are excellent results + a 2008 AO win and 2 quarters)

So since 2008 it's Djokovic far ahead Murray in hard court slams.

You're crying because Murray has found a solution to beat Nadal on hard courts whilst Federer doesn't mind playing Murray or Djokovic in Slams.

I am?

Show me where.

I don't give a feck which side of the draw Murray falls on. Bud asked a question - I provided an answer.

Stop looking for things that aren't there.

PS thanks for correcting FO 2010.

8PAQ
01-12-2011, 01:08 PM
You KNOW that Murray will once again be in Nadal's half! :)

Who also wants to bet Davydenko will end up in Nadal's side as well?

How many times does that make for Murray?

It would be about freaking time. Fed played Denko 5 times in Slams already and Nadal never did!
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=F324&oId=D402
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=D402&oId=N409

I am hoping for 3rd round exit for Nadal courtesy of Denko.

dandelion_smiley
01-12-2011, 01:22 PM
Ahah! This further shows that you should not include these two when you are talking about how Fed had tough draws.

By looking at it this way Nadal has a tough draw every time whilst Federer has it easy no matter who he plays. Double standards.

Larrysümmers
01-12-2011, 01:33 PM
guys, guys. we are talking about 2 of the greatest players of all time. they have the ability to beat any of them. you know why they have such "cakewalk" draw? because they can beat any of them. Fed fans argue because they know Nadal can beat those players, and visa versa. and besides, why do you want the other player to get out before the finals and not let us to see the final we all want to see, the 2 greatest players of all time.

sorry for my rant..so isner.

Walenty
01-12-2011, 01:45 PM
As far as conspiracy theories go, since Robin Soderling's 2009 French Open run:

2009 Wimbledon: Soderling meets Fed in 4R
2009 US Open: Soderling meets Fed in QF
2010 Australian: Soderling to meet Fed in SF
2010 French Open: Soderling meets Fed in QF
2010 US Open: Soderling meets Fed in QF

5/6. Poor Guy...

Interesting to see where he and Murray will end up, along with Davy, Delpo, and Nalbandian. I can hear the *******s and *******s complaints even now and it isn't even Friday yet :-)

Joseph L. Barrow
01-12-2011, 01:52 PM
OK, major draw conspiracy theorists, we've had a lot of fun with this in the past, so let's not disappoint. What do you think the draw for the Australian Open will look like. Will Murray and Nadal be on the same side? What other (fixed?) matchups can we look forward to?
I made a similar pre-draw thread last year, and no one was able to make a particularly accurate prediction, in spite of the pervasive belief among some corners herein that the draws are clearly fixed and have a recognizable agenda.

kOaMaster
01-12-2011, 01:55 PM
So if someone had to play 7 qualifiers to win, you wouldn't care?:shock:

not really. I mean they would still have to beat the rest of the worlds best tennis players. or half of it.

egn
01-12-2011, 02:01 PM
No he's not there EVERY time, but considering there is only one, it's pretty damn close. I agree, Murray does tend to underperform. It's not a given though.




Ahah! This further shows that you should not include these two when you are talking about how Fed had tough draws.

So basically Fed's tough draw only exist if he could play Nadal every round. By the way Murray is a tough match for Fed on hardcourts but has this wonderful mental block in slam finals. I would love to see what happened if they met in earlier rounds.

rovex
01-12-2011, 02:05 PM
Murray in a QF match can be dangerous for federer.

The reality is federer basically has to play his best against murray ( if he to playing a high level) or murray will eat him up like he has done multiple times

meg0529
01-12-2011, 02:17 PM
So basically Fed's tough draw only exist if he could play Nadal every round. By the way Murray is a tough match for Fed on hardcourts but has this wonderful mental block in slam finals. I would love to see what happened if they met in earlier rounds.

Not at all what I'm saying. In one of the other threads he listed a whole bunch of players that made Fed's draw tough and these two were thrown in there. The he says that fed doesn't mind playing them. Contradictory if you ask me.

single_handed_champion
01-12-2011, 02:21 PM
I made a similar pre-draw thread last year, and no one was able to make a particularly accurate prediction, in spite of the pervasive belief among some corners herein that the draws are clearly fixed and have a recognizable agenda.

Wow, you don't say? :shock: So it isn't the gospel truth that the Slam draws are rigged and dangerous opponents for the top 2 guys deliberately tank to make their paths to the titles a cakewalk? :confused:

Bud
01-12-2011, 02:41 PM
A lot of times.

Every 2010 slam.

Every 2009 slam that Rafa played.

Every 2008 slam.

AO 2007 (Murray didn't play RG or SW19)

I think so. I'm happy to stand corrected if I've got any of it wrong but I'm pretty sure it's bang on. 12 out of the last 13 with the last 11 straight.


Yeah, these draws aren't fixed. I think the probability of this ever occurring by chance is nil.

batz
01-12-2011, 02:46 PM
Yeah, these draws aren't fixed. I think the probability of this ever occurring by chance is nil.

I got one of them wrong. It's only 11 out of 13.


C'mon Bud - you can't really think it's rigged.

Bud
01-12-2011, 02:52 PM
I got one of them wrong. It's only 11 out of 13.


C'mon Bud - you can't really think it's rigged.

It would be very unusual for a random draw to be that skewed over so many years. That's 85%

How many of those occurred when Nadal was #2 and Murray #4?

We'll see if it's 12 out of 14 Friday.

Bryan Swartz
01-12-2011, 03:30 PM
1 in 16 chance. That's hardly nil.

Rippy
01-12-2011, 03:31 PM
Lol at anyone who thinks the ITF has a conspiracy draw-rigging scheme to put Murray in Nadal's half.

Bud
01-12-2011, 03:33 PM
1 in 16 chance. That's hardly nil.

That's 6%... close enough ;)

Joseph L. Barrow
01-12-2011, 10:59 PM
Wait, now- you're citing Grand Slam draws from clear back into early 2008, and even 2007, to prove that the ITF wants Murray in Nadal's section? I assume the idea is that they're conspiring to send him to bump Nadal off; if this is the case, how would they know to do such a thing before Murray was even in the top 10 or had ever beaten Nadal? Even going into the '08 US Open, by which time Murray was into the top five, what would be the logic behind conspiring to sic Murray on Nadal when Murray was 0-5 against him and had won a grand total of two sets through those five matches?

veroniquem
01-12-2011, 11:46 PM
Rafa will probably get Murray and Djoko. He's rarely lucky with draws. Wimbledon 2010 comes to mind. If Fed had made the final, he would have had Sod, Murray, Federer in a row. How much worse could one possibly get at W????
At the Olympics 2008, he was supposed to have Murray/Djokovic/Federer while Fed had the most outrageous cupcake draw. Still can't believe he lost to Blake. What were the odds?
With the combination of draw and surface, I thought Rafa's chances were slim at best and yet... mindboggling.

FedError
01-13-2011, 12:52 AM
Nadal's draw will end up like this:

1R Ramirez Hidalgo
2R Granollers
3R Montanes
4R Almagro
QF Verdasco
SF Lopez
F Garcia-Lopez

Sentinel
01-13-2011, 01:09 AM
Murray in a QF match can be dangerous for federer.

The reality is federer basically has to play his best against murray ( if he to playing a high level) or murray will eat him up like he has done multiple times
haha, thanks for the laugh, now i must recover from the exhaustion my cheek muscles have suffered :D