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abraxas21
01-11-2011, 07:59 PM
Stefan Edberg
Winner - Rafael Nadal.
“The Australian Open is outdoors, it’s in the heat and I believe Rafa has to be the favourite and probably will be the winner. It is incredible what he has done over the past year and he does have a chance now to catch Federer (for the Grand Slam title record). It's not going to be easy, but he definitely has a chance. Federer is not finished yet, but Nadal is the favourite in Melbourne.”

Mats Wilander
Winner - Rafael Nadal.
“Nadal has improved more at Number One than Federer did when he was there. He has improved and he has changed his game, not drastically, but you can see the changes and improvements.
Federer has always played brilliant tennis but you never really saw Federer change, whereas Nadal has actually changed his game after getting beaten a couple of times last year.
I would definitely pick Nadal for the Australian Open.”

John McEnroe
Winner - Rafael Nadal.
“I would pick Nadal at the Australian because I think he’s much tougher to beat in longer matches. If he remains healthy then he’s the guy I would pick for every Major right now until proven otherwise. I would love to see a guy like Del Potro or one of the other guys like Djokovic or Murray step up and really make an impact and win some Majors.
I think that would be important for tennis, but Nadal is the favourite, just ahead of Federer.”

Yannick Noah
Winner - Rafael Nadal.
“Nadal is in great shape. When Nadal is healthy he is unbeatable because mentally he is also so strong. It’s amazing to watch how strong mentally this kid is. So if he’s healthy I think he’s the favourite for the Australian Open and I would say the same forever, anywhere.”
http://www.atpchampionstour.com/news138.html

Talker
01-11-2011, 08:05 PM
I'm going with Fed.

What's got into those guys? They make it seem Nadal is miles ahead of everyone.

Anyways, it should be a heck of a tournament, there's plenty of story lines waiting. :)

IvanAndreevich
01-11-2011, 08:14 PM
Not surprised at Trollander's pick. LOL

OrangePower
01-11-2011, 08:21 PM
Not that unusual. It's not like they're going out on a limb or anything - after all the guy is the world #1 and will be the #1 seed for the AO.

Although my pick (by a very very slight margin) is Fed, based on form over the last couple of months.

Cup8489
01-11-2011, 08:26 PM
hmm... some mention nadal's physicality.. but he just got done being ill last week... so idk what theyre thinking. He may be number 1, but his last 2 months hasn't been even remotely as good as that guy Federer's..

DragonBlaze
01-11-2011, 08:33 PM
Good, good, let Rafa have the pressure on him for once. Hopefully the bookies have him as the favourite as well.

1970CRBase
01-11-2011, 08:34 PM
I would have picked Nadal if he hadn't chosen to play the rubbish indoor season which I hadn't believed he would do well in since he never did. Working on the beaches and babes from Flushing till Melbourne would've taken all the weight off those knees.:shock: He'd earned it. & in my mind he would have been top fav for AO2011. Still cannot fathom why Nadal had to keep playing so hard for nothing when he could have "lost" early etc.

Very disappointed that even Stefan, whom I respect so much, now joins this chorus and lowers himself to the level of people like Mac, Becker, Borg and Mats. People who were kissing Fed's butt in 2005/2006 and are now jumping on him every opportunity they get. Well just remember, people who kiss ur *** when ur on the way up r the same to stab you in the back when ur on the way down. Understandable why, at this point in Fed's slam record, these people are strongly motivated to not want him to add any more to the final tally. Don't wanna be cast too far back in the shadows of the Everest, do we? Nadal's their Saviour! Well, unless he wins more than they are comfortable with seeing. haha *Haven't forgotten Borg's petty behaviour in picking Sod over Nad and Bird over Nad last year.

Don't worry though, in not too many years time it will be Nadal's turn if he starts getting close to 14 and a new star rising and these same guys will be sagely saying the same stuff from the side lines about how it's nearly over for him too.

My 2 c

cc0509
01-11-2011, 08:40 PM
Mats Wilander
Winner - Rafael Nadal.
Federer has always played brilliant tennis but you never really saw Federer change, whereas Nadal has actually changed his game after getting beaten a couple of times last year

What is Wilander talking about? Federer HAS recently changed his game plan since hiring Paul Annacone. I seriously can't stand Wilander.

DragonBlaze
01-11-2011, 08:44 PM
I would have picked Nadal if he hadn't chosen to play the rubbish indoor season which I hadn't believed he would do well in since he never did. Working on the beaches and babes from Flushing till Melbourne would've taken all the weight off those knees.:shock: He'd earned it. & in my mind he would have been top fav for AO2011. Still cannot fathom why Nadal had to keep playing so hard for nothing when he could have "lost" early etc.

Very disappointed that even Stefan, whom I respect so much, now joins this chorus and lowers himself to the level of people like Mac, Becker, Borg and Mats. People who were kissing Fed's butt in 2005/2006 and are now jumping on him every opportunity they get. Well just remember, people who kiss ur *** when ur on the way up r the same to stab you in the back when ur on the way down. Understandable why, at this point in Fed's slam record, these people are strongly motivated to not want him to add any more to the final tally. Don't wanna be cast too far back in the shadows of the Everest, do we? Nadal's their Saviour! Well, unless he wins more than they are comfortable with seeing. haha *Haven't forgotten Borg's petty behaviour in picking Sod over Nad and Bird over Nad last year.

Don't worry though, in not too many years time it will be Nadal's turn if he starts getting close to 14 and a new star rising and these same guys will be sagely saying the same stuff from the side lines about how it's nearly over for him too.

My 2 c

I love what Wilander says

Mats Wilander
Winner - Rafael Nadal.
“Nadal has improved more at Number One than Federer did when he was there. He has improved and he has changed his game, not drastically, but you can see the changes and improvements.
Federer has always played brilliant tennis but you never really saw Federer change, whereas Nadal has actually changed his game after getting beaten a couple of times last year.
I would definitely pick Nadal for the Australian Open.”

Yea, that's right Mats, Federer didnt improve when he was number at all. That's why he has 237 consecutive weeks of being No. 1 :lol:

I mean if what he says is true, Federer went from being nothing to overnight playing brilliant tennis, after which he didnt improve and it still took his peers including Rafa 4.5 years to catchup to him.

That means at the start of those 4.5 years, the difference in playing levels between Fed and the rest of the tour must have been approximately this size.

http://www.astrofoto.ca/stuartheggie/Grand_Canyon/Grand_Canyon_23.jpg

Yeah, nice one Mats :lol:

DragonBlaze
01-11-2011, 08:45 PM
What is Wilander talking about? Federer HAS recently changed his game plan since hiring Paul Annacone. I seriously can't stand Wilander.

Come on, atleast he made me LOL :twisted:

nikdom
01-11-2011, 08:46 PM
Nadal deserves favorite or co-favorite status just based on his ranking and as holder of the last 3 slams. What's surprising to me though, at least with Edberg, is how Roger has been written off. The guy has been on a tear coming into the year and he's played the best I've seen him in a long time at Doha. So they're willing to discount that and back a Nadal who, apart from an exo, really did not show anything most recently?

That tells me its more about band wagoning than anything else. And Wilander definitely hates Fed - his whole Rafa improved while Fed did not is really rubbish and uncalled for. Sounds more like sureshs than a former slam winner.

bolo
01-11-2011, 08:48 PM
Tears....commence.....now. :)

namelessone
01-11-2011, 08:48 PM
I'm going with Fed.

What's got into those guys? They make it seem Nadal is miles ahead of everyone.

Anyways, it should be a heck of a tournament, there's plenty of story lines waiting. :)

Well, he is not that far ahead but Nadal has a history of proving people wrong over and over again and when he is motivated and healthy he is a very powerful force on tour. Granted, this will probably be his ONLY chance to make four in a row but being that he is nr.1 and is known to be mentally strong, I can see why so many pick him, despite some people being disappointed at these picks.

The only surprise is Edberg. Mac,Noah and Wilander have gushed over Rafa for some time now.

cc0509
01-11-2011, 08:52 PM
Come on, atleast he made me LOL :twisted:

He needs to go sniff some coke or some glue or something!

namelessone
01-11-2011, 08:52 PM
That means at the start of those 4.5 years, the difference in playing levels between Fed and the rest of the tour must have been approximately this size.

http://www.astrofoto.ca/stuartheggie/Grand_Canyon/Grand_Canyon_23.jpg



Probably more like this

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Yarlung_Tsangpo_skyview.jpg/450px-Yarlung_Tsangpo_skyview.jpg

1970CRBase
01-11-2011, 08:54 PM
That tells me its more about band wagoning than anything else. And Wilander definitely hates Fed - his whole Rafa improved while Fed did not is really rubbish and uncalled for. Sounds more like sureshs than a former slam winner.

The older these old folks get, the more apparent their pettiness and insecurities.

Tennis commentating has to be one of the dirtiest jobs.

namelessone
01-11-2011, 09:02 PM
The older these old folks get, the more apparent their pettiness and insecurities.

Tennis commentating has to be one of the dirtiest jobs.

Trust me, this will happen to you as well. :)

I can sorta understand it. These guys were stars in their time and getting to around the 10 slam mark was considered something stupendous. Now here comes Federer who wins slams with the same ease as putting socks in the morning. That can't sit well with many of them. Watching Roger, people think Slams are easy peasy but they are actually f***ing hard to win. Look at Murray's problems. Hell, a monster talent like Nastase won just two slams, even though the won the year end championship four times.

Federer's success(who, without Nadal, would easily have 20 slams by now) makes their success, in their own times, seem obsolete and mundane. Remember Borg's 11 and channel slam? Channel Slam has been done and Federer is getting close to 17, 6 more slams. Sampras doesn't really have anything major left over Federer. The rest I won't even into. Only Laver basically has something over Federer.

As I've said on this site Federer is a victim of his own success. He does things too easily, too perfect at times if you will and it makes others efforts seem not that good.

nikdom
01-11-2011, 09:06 PM
Trust me, this will happen to you as well. :)

I can sorta understand it. These guys were stars in their time and getting to around the 10 slam mark was considered something stupendous. Now here comes Federer who wins slams with the same ease as putting socks in the morning. That can't sit well with many of them. Watching Roger, people think Slams are easy peasy but they are actually f***ing hard to win. Look at Murray's problems. Hell, a monster talent like Nastase won just two slams, even though the won the year end championship four times.

Federer's success(who, without Nadal, would easily have 20 slams by now) makes their success, in their own times, seem obsolete and mundane. Remember Borg's 11 and channel slam? Channel Slam has been done and Federer is getting close to 17, 6 more slams. Sampras doesn't really have anything major left over Federer. The rest I won't even into. Only Laver basically has something over Federer.

As I've said on this site Federer is a victim of his own success. He does things too easily, too perfect at times if you will and it makes others efforts seem not that good.

That is indeed true. Very good post

nadal_slam_king
01-11-2011, 09:15 PM
Trust me, this will happen to you as well. :)

I can sorta understand it. These guys were stars in their time and getting to around the 10 slam mark was considered something stupendous. Now here comes Federer who wins slams with the same ease as putting socks in the morning. That can't sit well with many of them. Watching Roger, people think Slams are easy peasy but they are actually f***ing hard to win. Look at Murray's problems. Hell, a monster talent like Nastase won just two slams, even though the won the year end championship four times.

Federer's success(who, without Nadal, would easily have 20 slams by now) makes their success, in their own times, seem obsolete and mundane. Remember Borg's 11 and channel slam? Channel Slam has been done and Federer is getting close to 17, 6 more slams. Sampras doesn't really have anything major left over Federer. The rest I won't even into. Only Laver basically has something over Federer.

As I've said on this site Federer is a victim of his own success. He does things too easily, too perfect at times if you will and it makes others efforts seem not that good.

Federer should count himself lucky that he only had Rafa to worry about. Saying "without Nadal, would easily have 20 slams by now" is like saying "If McEnroe didn't have to play Connors, Becker, Lendl he would have 25 slams by now" LOL

nikdom
01-11-2011, 09:20 PM
Federer should count himself lucky that he only had Rafa to worry about. Saying "without Nadal, would easily have 20 slams by now" is like saying "If McEnroe didn't have to play Connors, Becker, Lendl he would have 25 slams by now" LOL

Nadal is lucky he went with the lefty thing. Without it, he would have nothing. He would be just another Ferrer.:twisted:

tlm
01-11-2011, 09:26 PM
The difference is these guys can see reality, they don't worship fed like many here do.

bolo
01-11-2011, 09:26 PM
I would have picked Nadal if he hadn't chosen to play the rubbish indoor season which I hadn't believed he would do well in since he never did. Working on the beaches and babes from Flushing till Melbourne would've taken all the weight off those knees.:shock: He'd earned it. & in my mind he would have been top fav for AO2011. Still cannot fathom why Nadal had to keep playing so hard for nothing when he could have "lost" early etc.

Very disappointed that even Stefan, whom I respect so much, now joins this chorus and lowers himself to the level of people like Mac, Becker, Borg and Mats. People who were kissing Fed's butt in 2005/2006 and are now jumping on him every opportunity they get. Well just remember, people who kiss ur *** when ur on the way up r the same to stab you in the back when ur on the way down. Understandable why, at this point in Fed's slam record, these people are strongly motivated to not want him to add any more to the final tally. Don't wanna be cast too far back in the shadows of the Everest, do we? Nadal's their Saviour! Well, unless he wins more than they are comfortable with seeing. haha *Haven't forgotten Borg's petty behaviour in picking Sod over Nad and Bird over Nad last year.

Don't worry though, in not too many years time it will be Nadal's turn if he starts getting close to 14 and a new star rising and these same guys will be sagely saying the same stuff from the side lines about how it's nearly over for him too.

My 2 c

this post is my favorite so far. :)

tlm
01-11-2011, 09:27 PM
Nadal is lucky he went with the lefty thing. Without it, he would have nothing. He would be just another Ferrer.:twisted:


Woulda, shoulda, coulda,

nadal_slam_king
01-11-2011, 09:27 PM
Nadal is lucky he went with the lefty thing. Without it, he would have nothing. He would be just another Ferrer.:twisted:

Federer leads Marcelo Rios 2-0
Federer leads Feliciano Lopez 7-0
Federer leads Greg Rusedski 4-1
Federer leads Fernando Verdasco 4-0
Federer leads Goran Ivanisevic 2-0
Federer leads Jarkko Nieminen 11-0
Federer leads Gilles Muller 3-0
Federer leads Stefan Koubek 4-1
Federer leads Michael Llodra 1-0
Federer leads Irakli Labadze 1-0
Federer leads Thomas Schoorel 1-0
Kenneth Carlsen leads Federer 1-0
Rafael Nadal leads Federer 14-8

When playing Federer, being left-handed is a disadvantage, even for talents like Rios, Rusedski and Goran.

veroniquem
01-11-2011, 09:30 PM
Tears....commence.....now. :)
Ha ha so it seems with all the Fed fans reactions in this thread!
I hope all this "picking" doesn't jinx Rafa. I think they didn't dare go against Rafa for 2 reasons: hard to go against the guy who won the last 3 slams and Rafa being so clutch when the stakes are very high.
For all the success Fed has had recently, most of it came in small events and none of it came in best of 5 format.
If it comes to Rafa vs Fed in the end, I think their pick makes sense but so far it has never been a given that Rafa would make the final at AO.
If he uses the USO serve though, good luck to anyone to beat him...
I have to say this makes for very pleasant reading in any case, it's not every day those guys have been so complimentary about Rafa :)

Sid_Vicious
01-11-2011, 09:31 PM
Nothing bold here. Just some guys picking the world number 1 to win the AO. Now if any of these guys had balls (ahem Wilander?), they would pick Donald Young or Tomic to win.

MichaelNadal
01-11-2011, 09:35 PM
Nothing bold here. Just some guys picking the world number 1 to win the AO. Now if any of these guys had balls (ahem Wilander?), they would pick Donald Young or Tomic to win.

Exactly. Lord forbid they pick the number 1 player in the world and the guy who has won the last 3 straight majors o_O

sbengte
01-11-2011, 09:36 PM
Well, he is not that far ahead but Nadal has a history of proving people wrong over and over again ...


Edberg, Wilander, McEnroe , Noah were probably not aware of it when they gave their predictions :)

nadal_slam_king
01-11-2011, 09:38 PM
If he uses the USO serve though, good luck to anyone to beat him...

Important point, and not many people have mentioned this, that his US Open serve is a major problem for opponents because they already have to worry about the other strengths of his game. If Rafa serves like USO then there simply isn't any way to hurt him.

nikdom
01-11-2011, 09:39 PM
Federer leads Marcelo Rios 2-0
Federer leads Feliciano Lopez 7-0
Federer leads Greg Rusedski 4-1
Federer leads Fernando Verdasco 4-0
Federer leads Goran Ivanisevic 2-0
Federer leads Jarkko Nieminen 11-0
Federer leads Gilles Muller 3-0
Federer leads Stefan Koubek 4-1
Federer leads Michael Llodra 1-0
Federer leads Irakli Labadze 1-0
Federer leads Thomas Schoorel 1-0
Kenneth Carlsen leads Federer 1-0
Rafael Nadal leads Federer 14-8

When playing Federer, being left-handed is a disadvantage, even for talents like Rios, Rusedski and Goran.

Take it easy. Was just riffing on your "lucky" theme. Neither of those guys are lucky to b anything. They worked for it.

nikdom
01-11-2011, 09:41 PM
The difference is these guys can see reality, they don't worship fed like many here do.

What about you? You don't worship anyone?

cc0509
01-11-2011, 09:45 PM
The difference is these guys can see reality, they don't worship fed like many here do.

They sure worshipped Federer for many years. Used to be he could do no wrong in their eyes, especially McEnroe. McEnroe gushed about Federer any chance he could.
Now they are on to their next victim--i.e. Nadal.

kishnabe
01-11-2011, 09:45 PM
Yeah Nadal would do good...but all of them don't even acknowedge Fed except Stefan. Mats is a clown for saying that Fed didn't improve during his domination.

McEnroe same speal for every guy who plays the game well. Noah...he seems like he doesn't really mean it!

Some of the guys here at TW say better stuff than these guys in terms who is the favourite!

BTW...murray is the favourite...for obvious reasons ;)!

Talker
01-11-2011, 09:47 PM
The difference is these guys can see reality, they don't worship fed like many here do.

I need the video or a picture, I'm checking for brown marks on thier noses.

tlm
01-11-2011, 09:53 PM
What about you? You don't worship anyone?

No i don't worship anyone.

nikdom
01-11-2011, 09:53 PM
They sure worshipped Federer for many years. Used to be he could do no wrong in their eyes, especially McEnroe. McEnroe gushed about Federer any chance he could.
Now they are on to their next victim--i.e. Nadal.

McEnroe is the only one who gushed about Roger. Stefan was always been understated. The other two have never really been Fed likers.

tlm
01-11-2011, 09:54 PM
They sure worshipped Federer for many years. Used to be he could do no wrong in their eyes, especially McEnroe. McEnroe gushed about Federer any chance he could.
Now they are on to their next victim--i.e. Nadal.

You may be right about this.

angiebaby
01-11-2011, 10:03 PM
Nadal deserves favorite or co-favorite status just based on his ranking and as holder of the last 3 slams. What's surprising to me though, at least with Edberg, is how Roger has been written off. The guy has been on a tear coming into the year and he's played the best I've seen him in a long time at Doha. So they're willing to discount that and back a Nadal who, apart from an exo, really did not show anything most recently?

That tells me its more about band wagoning than anything else. And Wilander definitely hates Fed - his whole Rafa improved while Fed did not is really rubbish and uncalled for. Sounds more like sureshs than a former slam winner.

They're not writing Roger off. They're putting Rafa ahead of Federer as the favourite. Not quite the same thing.


Exactly. Lord forbid they pick the number 1 player in the world and the guy who has won the last 3 straight majors o_O

Indeed. What on earth is wrong with these guys? :rolleyes:

namelessone
01-11-2011, 10:12 PM
BTW, upon reading Wilander's comments about Fed not changing his game I would like to take back my comments about Wilander ever liking Federer. Clearly I was wrong.

Like or hate Fed, but saying that he did not change aspects of his game in 04-07 is pure bull.

nikdom
01-11-2011, 10:15 PM
They're not writing Roger off. They're putting Rafa ahead of Federer as the favourite. Not quite the same thing.

If they choose to not even mention Roger despite his recent form, then its writing him off.

Plus some of the things said have nothing to do with why Nadal should be the favorite (see wilanders statement). Its plain and simple Fed hate. No one is grudging Nadal getting his due.

nadal_slam_king
01-11-2011, 10:24 PM
BTW, upon reading Wilander's comments about Fed not changing his game I would like to take back my comments about Wilander ever liking Federer. Clearly I was wrong.

Like or hate Fed, but saying that he did not change aspects of his game in 04-07 is pure bull.

He stopped coming to the net, his netgame was rarely used and consequently his skills declined somewhat (based on what we've seen of his netgame over the last couple of years, easy misses, indecisiveness etc.).

JustBob
01-11-2011, 10:38 PM
3 straight slams, #1 player in the world, it's hardly surprising that Nadal is the favorite. But Nadal is hardly unbeatable on hard courts and based on current form I'd pick Federer.

nadal_slam_king
01-11-2011, 10:40 PM
3 straight slams, #1 player in the world, it's hardly surprising that Nadal is the favorite. But Nadal is hardly unbeatable on hard courts and based on current form I'd pick Federer.

Rafa was unbeatable at the US Open with the addition of the killer serve, but I agree Federer is the favorite here down-under.

Bobby Jr
01-11-2011, 10:53 PM
Career results:
Federer: hard court slams = 9
Nadal: hard court slams = 2

2010 results:
Hard court tournament wins/runner ups
Federer = 5 / 2
Nadal = 2 / 2

Career-wise and previous last season-wise Federer still smokes Nadal in terms of hard court form.

nadal_slam_king
01-11-2011, 10:55 PM
Career results:
Federer: hard court slams = 9
Nadal: hard court slams = 2

2010 results:
Hard court tournament wins/runner ups
Federer = 5 / 2
Nadal = 2 / 2

Career-wise and previous last season-wise Federer still smokes Nadal in terms of hard court form.

So it should, it's Rafa's weakest surface and in addition to that he's only 24, so he's had 5 years less than Federer to attain hardcourt titles. What did Federer have on clay at age 24?

joeri888
01-11-2011, 11:28 PM
At this point in time, Rafa is the safest bet.

Hitman
01-12-2011, 01:37 AM
Rafa is the favorite for me, and I'm a Roger fan. I put Roger in second place, after Rafa.

I want Rafa to deal with all the pressure, and now with all these greats calling him the favorite, let him go ahead and prove they were right!!!!

Vamos Rafa, beat Del Potro, Davydenko, Murray, Djokovic and Federer, and prove you are best!!!!! :)

xanctus
01-12-2011, 01:52 AM
Maybe Mats is jealous of Federer one handed backhand... :D

BukShy
01-12-2011, 02:12 AM
haha.its nice how ppl can write down Fed, after even rafa told them to not too.
Federer is the greatest

Bobby Jr
01-12-2011, 02:13 AM
So it should, it's Rafa's weakest surface and in addition to that he's only 24, so he's had 5 years less than Federer to attain hardcourt titles. What did Federer have on clay at age 24?
Yet even the 2010 hard-court results are massively in Federer's favour.

I'll take a bet with you that Nadal wont win the Aussie Open this year. Friendly bet or monetary if you wanna back your convictions.

nadal_slam_king
01-12-2011, 02:24 AM
Yet even the 2010 hard-court results are massively in Federer's favour.

I'll take a bet with you that Nadal wont win the Aussie Open this year. Friendly bet or monetary if you wanna back your convictions.

But I've already said Federer is the favorite to win, in fact I said Murray and Federer are both the favorites. Nothing to bet on :lol:

If Rafa wins it'll be as the pure underdog vs those 2 favorites. Nobody knows who's going to win. But I hope Rafa the underdog prevails :D

Hitman
01-12-2011, 02:29 AM
But I've already said Federer is the favorite to win, in fact I said Murray and Federer are both the favorites. Nothing to bet on :lol:

If Rafa wins it'll be as the pure underdog vs those 2 favorites. Nobody knows who's going to win. But I hope Rafa the underdog prevails :D

Rafa will never be a pure underdog against Murray or Federer. The guy has proven he is about as a bigger obstacle as they come. The guy won the last three slams, hardly underdog material.

mandy01
01-12-2011, 02:35 AM
edit:- Predictable stuff from Wilander(s).

vive le beau jeu !
01-12-2011, 02:48 AM
http://www.atpchampionstour.com/news138.html
disappointing stuff from edberg and noah, :(
usual verdasquism from wilander,
and mac... well, he can't be serious, can he ?! ;)

dandelion_smiley
01-12-2011, 03:00 AM
What is Wilander talking about? Federer HAS recently changed his game plan since hiring Paul Annacone. I seriously can't stand Wilander.

I think Wilander ment that Federer didn't change much throughout 2004-2007 while Nadal is constantly improving. The funny part is that still Federer from that period is miles ahead of current Nadal in terms of level of play. Federer didn't change cause he didn't have to. Why change if you're winning 12 titles a year, 3 Slams and you're doubling the points of the no 2?

nadal_slam_king
01-12-2011, 03:02 AM
I think Wilander ment that Federer didn't change much throughout 2004-2007 while Nadal is constantly improving. The funny part is that still Federer from that period is miles ahead of current Nadal in terms of level of play. Federer didn't change cause he didn't have to. Why change if you're winning 12 titles a year, 3 Slams and you're doubling the points of the no 2?

If Federer was miles ahead he should have been able to at least win Roland Garros, Wimbledon and US Open in succession :lol:

dandelion_smiley
01-12-2011, 03:17 AM
If Federer was miles ahead he should have been able to at least win Roland Garros, Wimbledon and US Open in succession :lol:

http://knowyourmeme.com/system/icons/554/original/facepalm.jpg?1282626490

angiebaby
01-12-2011, 03:19 AM
If they choose to not even mention Roger despite his recent form, then its writing him off.

...


I'm sorry to belabour the point but Federer was mentioned:

Stefan Edberg
The Australian Open is outdoors, it’s in the heat and I believe Rafa has to be the favourite and probably will be the winner. It is incredible what he has done over the past year and he does have a chance now to catch Federer (for the Grand Slam title record). It's not going to be easy, but he definitely has a chance. Federer is not finished yet, but Nadal is the favourite in Melbourne.”

John McEnroe
Winner - Rafael Nadal.
“I would pick Nadal at the Australian because I think he’s much tougher to beat in longer matches. If he remains healthy then he’s the guy I would pick for every Major right now until proven otherwise. I would love to see a guy like Del Potro or one of the other guys like Djokovic or Murray step up and really make an impact and win some Majors.
I think that would be important for tennis, but Nadal is the favourite, just ahead of Federer.”
To be fair, they were strictly answering the question that was posed which was probably who they think is the favourite and they didn't have to expantiate on who else they thought was in the running. Mac and Edberg did, by mentioning Federer was essentially a close second but they really didn't have to. Wilander just went out on a tangent as he usually does but I thought the other three were able to justify their choice well enough. And let's face it, most of us would agree with them at this stage.

Messarger
01-12-2011, 03:26 AM
I wonder who did Borg, Sampras, and Laver pick.

fps
01-12-2011, 03:41 AM
the idea that Federer hasn't changed his game is nonsense. If anything he always had more tools, but his defensive play now is out of this world.

nadal_slam_king
01-12-2011, 04:18 AM
http://knowyourmeme.com/system/icons/554/original/facepalm.jpg?1282626490

Also I think Federer should have won 5 straight slams if he wanted to be the best of this century. Because if Rafa wins the AO then he's very likely to win 5+ slams in a row. There is now a lot of pressure on Federer to stop this train in Australia, or watch it run through the English Channel.

dandelion_smiley
01-12-2011, 04:23 AM
Also I think Federer should have won 5 straight slams if he wanted to be the best of this century. Because if Rafa wins the AO then he's very likely to win 5+ slams in a row. There is now a lot of pressure on Federer to stop this train in Australia, or watch it run through the English Channel.

http://wheretoeatinkansascity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/youre-stupid-300x219.jpg

THUNDERVOLLEY
01-12-2011, 04:46 AM
The difference is these guys can see reality, they don't worship fed like many here do.

quoted for truth; the Federer fanatics cannot accept opinions not celebrating RF in a period of Nadal majors dominance. For this group, Federer has to be praised 24/7/365.

Sentinel
01-12-2011, 05:11 AM
Although i go with Nadal on every slam, but i loved this one...


Federer has always played brilliant tennis but you never really saw Federer change, whereas Nadal has actually changed his game after getting beaten a couple of times last year.

cknobman
01-12-2011, 07:19 AM
Also I think Federer should have won 5 straight slams if he wanted to be the best of this century. Because if Rafa wins the AO then he's very likely to win 5+ slams in a row. There is now a lot of pressure on Federer to stop this train in Australia, or watch it run through the English Channel.

Holy crap, people aren't going to stop making fun of you for being stupid until you stop posting stupid crap like that!!!!!

nadal_slam_king
01-12-2011, 07:46 AM
Holy crap, people aren't going to stop making fun of you for being stupid until you stop posting stupid crap like that!!!!!

Making fun?
http://i835.photobucket.com/albums/zz274/jgpbulls/***.jpg

Who exactly??

sdont
01-12-2011, 08:14 AM
^^Who are these people? Are they from the forums at rafaisgoat.com?

nadal_slam_king
01-12-2011, 08:34 AM
^^Who are these people? Are they from the forums at rafaisgoat.com?

Nope, they're from the biggest tennis forum on the internet, and just like this one, there are more Federer fans than Nadal fans.

bolo
01-13-2011, 07:51 PM
lendl backs nadal. :)

http://www.sportal.com.au/tennis-news-display/lendl-backs-nadal-108078

veroniquem
01-13-2011, 08:00 PM
http://wheretoeatinkansascity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/youre-stupid-300x219.jpg
This looks like a post addressed to yourself :shock:

stanton warrior
01-13-2011, 08:36 PM
Making fun?
http://i835.photobucket.com/albums/zz274/jgpbulls/***.jpg

Who exactly??

I'm not a user at MTF, but I've been reading there for a while and most of those posters are the worst kind of fanboys.
Especially Everko, Start da game (with his terrible predictions) and the lunatic Topspindoctor.

nadal_slam_king
01-13-2011, 08:40 PM
I'm not a user at MTF, but I've been reading there for a while and most of those posters are the worst kind of fanboys.
Especially Everko, Start da game (with his terrible predictions) and the lunatic Topspindoctor.

It's higher class there because the rules are much tighter. Posters aren't even allowed to hint at a clean player being a steroid user, for example, or a ban results. And abusive language isn't accepted as much either.

bolo
01-13-2011, 08:46 PM
It's higher class there because the rules are much tighter. Posters aren't even allowed to hint at a clean player being a steroid user, for example, or a ban results. And abusive language isn't accepted as much either.

here people naturally stopped the steroid talk. ;)

nadal_slam_king
01-13-2011, 08:53 PM
here people naturally stopped the steroid talk. ;)

:lol: yeah right :lol:

Sid_Vicious
01-13-2011, 08:53 PM
It's higher class there because the rules are much tighter. Posters aren't even allowed to hint at a clean player being a steroid user, for example, or a ban results. And abusive language isn't accepted as much either.
MTF allows much more abusive language than this forum. You can say like almost every cuss word.

nadal_slam_king
01-13-2011, 08:58 PM
MTF allows much more abusive language than this forum. You can say like almost every cuss word.

But you'll be banned if its directed at a poster. They aren't anywhere near as malicious toward each other due to this. Plus we just saw that Federer fan using cuss words repeatedly in the Nadal News Thread (using dashes between the letters).

borg number one
01-13-2011, 09:50 PM
I agree with Lendl and his overall assessments. I really like his take on the players at the moment. He has a very shrewd eye.

"To me, the draw did not in any way influence who is going to have the best chance. You can never look past Roger, obviously he has a fantastic record in the past, and he's still a top player. But Rafa is a little bit of a favourite in my mind," he said.

ruerooo
01-13-2011, 10:01 PM
What is Wilander talking about? Federer HAS recently changed his game plan since hiring Paul Annacone. I seriously can't stand Wilander.

That got my attention too.

I've never liked Wilander but I'm also wondering when they went to press with this article. Lead times can be long, and Rafa's being sick and Roger's changing his game both happened fairly recently.

I'm not sure how Roger's going to feel about his idol Edberg picking Rafa, though.

stanton warrior
01-13-2011, 10:02 PM
It's higher class there because the rules are much tighter. Posters aren't even allowed to hint at a clean player being a steroid user, for example, or a ban results. And abusive language isn't accepted as much either.

There's a clean player? Which one? Must be ranked outside the top20 :)

Besides, steroids are so 90s.

cc0509
01-13-2011, 10:04 PM
Also I think Federer should have won 5 straight slams if he wanted to be the best of this century. Because if Rafa wins the AO then he's very likely to win 5+ slams in a row. There is now a lot of pressure on Federer to stop this train in Australia, or watch it run through the English Channel.

What are you talking about? Last time I checked, Federer had 16 slams and Nadal had 9. Has that changed since I last looked?

wangs78
01-13-2011, 10:05 PM
I think even Edberg picked Nadal because he's well aware of how hard it is to win Slams as you get older. All of these talking heads stopped winning Slams after their mid-20s so just from their own experience they are going to be bet on the 24 yo and not the soon to be 30 yo. But yes, even I was surprised that Edberg picked Nadal. I would've thought that he'd at least support Roger in public given that he was one of Roger's boyhood idols and Roger's game is more reminiscent of Edberg's style (in terms of grace and artistry on court). But I guess Edberg's just being honest.

Jchurch
01-13-2011, 10:08 PM
Federer leads Marcelo Rios 2-0
Federer leads Feliciano Lopez 7-0
Federer leads Greg Rusedski 4-1
Federer leads Fernando Verdasco 4-0
Federer leads Goran Ivanisevic 2-0
Federer leads Jarkko Nieminen 11-0
Federer leads Gilles Muller 3-0
Federer leads Stefan Koubek 4-1
Federer leads Michael Llodra 1-0
Federer leads Irakli Labadze 1-0
Federer leads Thomas Schoorel 1-0
Kenneth Carlsen leads Federer 1-0
Rafael Nadal leads Federer 14-8

When playing Federer, being left-handed is a disadvantage, even for talents like Rios, Rusedski and Goran.

If you truly believe that Nadal being a lefty delivers no advantage.... you are crazier than Howling Mad Murdock.

Jchurch
01-13-2011, 10:13 PM
If Federer was miles ahead he should have been able to at least win Roland Garros, Wimbledon and US Open in succession :lol:

Well now Nadal has NO excuse for not winning the WIM USO AO combo. It's a piece of cake! Federer has done it twice. Nadal will do it without breaking a sweat!

nadal_slam_king
01-14-2011, 12:02 AM
Well now Nadal has NO excuse for not winning the WIM USO AO combo. It's a piece of cake! Federer has done it twice. Nadal will do it without breaking a sweat!

He's just entered his prime on hardcourts, I think he'll win a lot of them hardcourt slams, looks very doable.

Carolina Racquet
01-14-2011, 05:20 AM
Maybe the former pros picked Nadal because his knees are healthy, he's amped up his first serve quite a bit and he's coming off from winning the last 3 majors?

Doesn't seem like a stretch to me.

I think Federer is intent on raising the level of his game, which is a great sign that he's still motivated to reclaim the #1 ranking and a few more majors.

Should make for a interesting year if both Nadal and Federer stay healthy!

mental midget
01-14-2011, 05:58 AM
depends which nadal shows up, although i suppose that's the case with many of the players. all i know is that if nadal uso 2010 and 'recent' federer meet, it could be a heck of a final.