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TBrady
01-15-2011, 03:37 PM
Question is how much? I realize that Federer was playing bad the 2 times they have played and Simon was playing maybe as good as he can play. Is an upset possible?

aceX
01-15-2011, 03:44 PM
Simon is the GOAT

Messarger
01-15-2011, 03:46 PM
I expect Simon to have no answer to Fed's net play.

dandelion_smiley
01-15-2011, 03:53 PM
I remember both matches Federer lost to Simon, he was shanking an incredible number of forehands, played just about as miserably as he can whilst Simon was enjoying the time of his life.

No such thing will happen again. I'd be shocked if Federer lost a set to Simon this time, I'd be surprised if one of the set went to a tie-break

flyinghippos101
01-15-2011, 03:54 PM
No, Simon will maybe take a set just because Fed seems to traditionally struggle a bit with counterpunchers. However Fed has been varying his game as oppose to his 08' form that featured him sticking more close to the baseline

Mustard
01-15-2011, 03:56 PM
I remember those matches too, in 2008 at Toronto and the Masters Cup. Although Federer wasn't near his best, he still looked like he'd win both of those matches comfortably and ended up flat on his face both times. He's still not beaten Simon, remarkably.

aceX
01-15-2011, 03:56 PM
simon will drink his blood

Underhand
01-15-2011, 03:58 PM
Simon will triple bagel Federer and **** on his golden man purse, too. Mighty Frenchman he is.

TBrady
01-15-2011, 04:03 PM
A 3 set win over Fed early in a slam maybe the biggest upset in history.

seffina
01-15-2011, 04:05 PM
He really won't. I expect a three set win for Roger if the match happens and one or two of the sets won't even be close.

Lionheart392
01-15-2011, 04:06 PM
This matchup is being overhyped. Sure Simon won their previous 2 meetings, but that was a long time ago and I think Fed will breeze past him if they do meet at the AO.

aceX
01-15-2011, 04:07 PM
maybe he cries

P_Agony
01-15-2011, 04:16 PM
I remember those matches too, in 2008 at Toronto and the Masters Cup. Although Federer wasn't near his best, he still looked like he'd win both of those matches comfortably and ended up flat on his face both times. He's still not beaten Simon, remarkably.

1) Simon was at his peak back then. He also beat Nadal indoors and nearly beat Murray in the final of the same event. Simon hasn't done anything since.
2) Fed was crap back then, losing to Karlovic as well. He lost every bit of confidence after that Wimbledon final and gained it only at the USO.
3) Its a best of 5 match, and a slam, and its Roger at a slam. Unless your name is Nadal your chances aren't very high.

ruerooo
01-15-2011, 04:49 PM
1) Simon was at his peak back then. He also beat Nadal indoors and nearly beat Murray in the final of the same event. Simon hasn't done anything since.


If you still think that, you didn't see him play last night/this morning (and win the Sydney championship, in two sets).

I remember those two matches, and Roger was shanking forehands and playing with no focus. Simon is playing fast, and aggressively.

I'm thrilled that Roger and Coach Paul appear to have been working hard this week and pleased with their progress. But I don't think Roger can afford to let his concentration lapse for a second.

Sid_Vicious
01-15-2011, 04:51 PM
If you still think that, you didn't see him play last night/this morning (and win the Sydney championship, in two sets).

I remember those two matches, and Roger was shanking forehands and playing with no focus. Simon is playing fast, and aggressively.

I'm thrilled that Roger and Coach Paul appear to have been working hard this week and pleased with their progress. But I don't think Roger can afford to let his concentration lapse for a second.
Federer also lost for the first time to Karlovic and Blake that summer, but went on to win the US Open. Those matches dont prove anything.

The-Champ
01-15-2011, 04:54 PM
Unlike Rafa fans, ****s do not make excuses for Fed's losses.

Sid_Vicious
01-15-2011, 04:57 PM
Unlike Rafa fans, ****s do not make excuses for Fed's losses.

The-Champ, I didnt make any excuses. I am also not a "****". Nadal lost his last match to Garcia-Lopez. Would you say the same result is likely if they played in a Major tournament? It was great win for Garcia-Lopez, but still it doesnt prove anything about whether the guy can beat Nadal at a big tournament. That was my point.

MurrayisBEAST
01-15-2011, 04:59 PM
Simon sometimes does have the tendency to cause great players some trouble, but I don't think he will beat Federer. He might take a set though.

The-Champ
01-15-2011, 05:08 PM
The-Champ, I didnt make any excuses. I am also not a "****". Nadal lost his last match to Garcia-Lopez. Would you say the same result is likely if they played in a Major tournament? It was great win for Garcia-Lopez, but still it doesnt prove anything about whether the guy can beat Nadal at a big tournament. That was my point.



Everyone is beatable, Nadal and Federer are no exceptions. If Garcia-Lopez plays like he did...he'd beat Nadal.

rejul
01-15-2011, 05:12 PM
Great Federer can't beat Simon on hardcourt, maybe hope another player take out SIMON before? Other great Federer fear trouble!

dantheman
01-15-2011, 05:15 PM
simon will drink his blood

Dude must be high LOL !!! ^^^^^ Simon has a 40% chance at winning. I remember in 08 where Simon beat Rafa,Murray,Novak,Federer. He also knocked federer out at the WTF that same year

tacou
01-15-2011, 05:26 PM
Federer also lost for the first time to Karlovic and Blake that summer, but went on to win the US Open. Those matches dont prove anything.

well he also lost to him at the year end championships .

Federer has been pretty bad early in slams lately and playing a guy he's never beaten before. I don't think he will lose but it's certainly a match to keep an eye on

Bud
01-15-2011, 05:28 PM
Dude must be high LOL !!! ^^^^^ Simon has a 40% chance at winning. I remember in 08 where Simon beat Rafa,Murray,Novak,Federer. He also knocked federer out at the WTF that same year

Exactly! Simon has the reputation of being a giant slayer. He does not seem to be intimidated by highly seeded players... in fact he seems to thrive when playing them.

Federer could not have drawn a worse player for his second round.

Emet74
01-15-2011, 05:40 PM
Federer could not have drawn a worse player for his second round.

Could be worse maybe but yeah the draw was not so kind to Fed in the early matches; first round gets Lacko who just bagelled Nadal and second round Simon who just won a tourney (and has beaten him twice before).

He'll need to be on his toes early; still my hunch is that Lacko is more likely to get a set than Simon; Fed will be fully concentrated to take on Simon which normally spells bad news. Expect some good rallies tho'.

Fedace
01-15-2011, 05:46 PM
Simon is Fast and Roger hates slow balls. so this one should be close. Roger actually does better with Big fast flat type of balls coming at him like from Berdy or robin. Federer hates creating his own pace off slow no pace nerf balls like from Simon.

Bud
01-15-2011, 05:51 PM
Simon is Fast and Roger hates slow balls. so this one should be close. Roger actually does better with Big fast flat type of balls coming at him like from Berdy or robin. Federer hates creating his own pace off slow no pace nerf balls like from Simon.

Simon also has the ability to hit hard and flat as well (I think he's taken a page out of Rafa's playbook with Federer). His serve has also improved since he played Federer a couple of years ago.

Simon has the type of game that can hurt Federer. He's got an excellent serve, moves extremely well, can hit deep loopy balls and possesses excellent defense. In fact, he's almost like a mini-Djokovic.

I predict Fed will have his hands full with Simon.

Blinkism
01-15-2011, 05:58 PM
Straight sets. Gillou can't handle the kind of level Fed's had recently.

jamesblakefan#1
01-15-2011, 06:21 PM
Simon will win in straights. All hail King Gilles, the great Federer killer.

Fedace
01-15-2011, 06:48 PM
Simon also has the ability to hit hard and flat as well (I think he's taken a page out of Rafa's playbook with Federer). His serve has also improved since he played Federer a couple of years ago.

Simon has the type of game that can hurt Federer. He's got an excellent serve, moves extremely well, can hit deep loopy balls and possesses excellent defense. In fact, he's almost like a mini-Djokovic.

I predict Fed will have his hands full with Simon.

Simon is Poor man's Andy Murray.

Bud
01-15-2011, 06:55 PM
Simon is Poor man's Andy Murray.

He's closer to Djokovic, IMO ;)

NadalAgassi
01-15-2011, 07:15 PM
I remember both matches Federer lost to Simon, he was shanking an incredible number of forehands, played just about as miserably as he can whilst Simon was enjoying the time of his life.

No such thing will happen again. I'd be shocked if Federer lost a set to Simon this time, I'd be surprised if one of the set went to a tie-break

For once I agree with you. Federer will walk all over Simon most likely.

Eternally_damned
01-15-2011, 07:54 PM
Simon won't even get past the first round.

tacou
01-15-2011, 08:53 PM
Simon won't even get past the first round.

Lu? I guesss it's possible but Simon looked pretty good in Sydney

bolo
01-15-2011, 09:13 PM
Simon is Poor man's Andy Murray.

Great analogy. I like his running forehand better than murray's but that's about it.

bolo
01-15-2011, 09:15 PM
He's closer to Djokovic, IMO ;)

djokovic is more of a power baseliner. Murray and Simon play with more feel and are counterpunchers.

abmk
01-15-2011, 09:18 PM
Simon is Poor man's Andy Murray.

Have to agree with Standford's Dr.Fedace for once !

veroniquem
01-15-2011, 09:43 PM
1)
3) Its a best of 5 match, and a slam, and its Roger at a slam. Unless your name is Nadal your chances aren't very high.




Or Soderling, or Berdych, or Djokovic...

NadalAgassi
01-15-2011, 09:56 PM
Or Soderling, or Berdych, or Djokovic...

A washed up former top 10 player isnt close to even those guys. And lets face it, it would be a miracle if Berdych ever beats Federer in a slam again and a surprise if Soderling does (they would probably have to play again at the French for that to be possible).

Sid_Vicious
01-15-2011, 09:59 PM
I watched the sydney final today and Simon had his hands full against Troicki. He played good tennis but I didnt see anything from Simon that was extraordinary and indicative of a big AO run.

veroniquem
01-15-2011, 10:01 PM
NadalAgassi: I don't know but Fed has been more vulnerable than usual in slams lately. Age will affect him in best of 5 more than in best of 3. Even if he does well at AO, the general trend we observed last year is likely to continue but we'll see.

NadalAgassi
01-15-2011, 10:17 PM
NadalAgassi: I don't know but Fed has been more vulnerable than usual in slams lately. Age will affect him in best of 5 more than in best of 3. Even if he does well at AO, the general trend we observed last year is likely to continue but we'll see.

What you are saying makes sense of course. However I think Federer has been playing alot better since he hooked up with Annacone. What is the worst loss he has had since Wimbledon? Losses to Murray and Djokovic. That is pretty great for a worst performance in that long a span when you think about it. He has been the most consistent performer since after Wimbledon, even over Nadal (Nadal of course won the biggest title since at the U.S Open). Compare that to Federer's play from February-July which was a mess. That is why I dont think you will see a Berdych or even Soderling beat him in a slam anytime soon, and someone like Djokovic or Murray will need to come up with something special to pull it off. I am not a Federer fan in the least but that is what I see for now atleast.

Of course father time will keep ticking but Federer's improved form will last atleast a bit longer I expect.

Jchurch
01-15-2011, 10:51 PM
NadalAgassi: I don't know but Fed has been more vulnerable than usual in slams lately. Age will affect him in best of 5 more than in best of 3. Even if he does well at AO, the general trend we observed last year is likely to continue but we'll see.

Really? So that day off between matches doesn't help in any way?

Bud
01-15-2011, 10:59 PM
I watched the sydney final today and Simon had his hands full against Troicki. He played good tennis but I didnt see anything from Simon that was extraordinary and indicative of a big AO run.

Troicki is one of the hottest players on tour right now, winning the DC for Serbia. He's also just attained a career high ranking of #26. Simon beat Troicki in straight sets.

He also beat Gulbis (#20) in straight sets, bagelling him in 16 minutes in the second.

I predict Simon will be back in the top 10 very soon.

Sid_Vicious
01-15-2011, 11:05 PM
Troicki is one of the hottest players on tour right now, winning the DC for Serbia. He's also just attained a career high ranking of #26. Simon beat Troicki in straight sets.

He also beat Gulbis (#20) in straight sets, bagelling him in 16 minutes in the second.
He didn't look very hot when Federer sent him packing 6-2 6-2 in Doha.

In regards to todays match, sure it was a straight set win but it wasn't a dominant performance at all was it? 7-5 7-6 with Troicki blowing lots and lots of opportunities, which is of course, very typical of him.

Bud
01-15-2011, 11:09 PM
He didn't look very hot when Federer sent him packing 6-2 6-2 in Doha.

In regards to todays match, sure it was a straight set win but it wasn't a dominant performance at all was it? 7-5 7-6 with Troicki blowing lots and lots of opportunities, which is of course, very typical of him.

My point is he's playing much better than his current ranking (#34) suggests. He straight-setted both the #20 and #26 players back to back.

He's also a nightmare matchup for Federer as the 2-0 H2H suggests ;)

Simon is probably the worst player Federer could have drawn for an early round match.

Sid_Vicious
01-15-2011, 11:10 PM
My point is he's playing much better than his current ranking (#34) suggests. He straight-setted both the #20 and #26 players back to back.

He's also a nightmare matchup for Federer as the 2-0 H2H suggests ;)

No objections from me on that one, amigo. 8-)

I'm sure playing Simon won't be a walk in the park from Federer, but I am very impressed with Federer's recent form.

Bud
01-15-2011, 11:11 PM
No objections from me on that one, amigo.

That 0-2 H2H will also be on Fed's mind before and during the match.

Sid_Vicious
01-15-2011, 11:14 PM
That 0-2 H2H will also be on Fed's mind before and during the match.
Hopefully, Federer can acquire ambition rather than fear from the thought of that 0-2 h2h.

iriraz
01-15-2011, 11:17 PM
Just because Simon has 2-0 against Federer h2h doesn`t mean a lot.
It`s a bit like Hrbaty against Federer a couple years ago at Wimbledon where he had 2-0 h2h against Federer coming into the match and it was clear from the start that it will be 2-1.

BukShy
01-16-2011, 12:13 AM
its a difference between playing on 250-500 tournaments and grand slams.federer and all the pro's trying different tactics on tournaments.on grandslams they come with their best.

Federer will give him 6-2 6-2 6-0

Bud
01-16-2011, 12:15 AM
its a difference between playing on 250-500 tournaments and grand slams.federer and all the pro's trying different tactics on tournaments.on grandslams they come with their best.

Federer will give him 6-2 6-2 6-0

Can we quote you on that? :)

IvanAndreevich
01-16-2011, 12:25 AM
If Federer can't beat Simon then he can't win this AO anyway.

He's playing really well, and he's gonna take Simon's second serve out this time. I think that's the adjustment he's going to make.

I think Federer is playing really well, and as long as he keeps it up, he can beat any player in history, let alone Simon.

Bud
01-16-2011, 12:29 AM
If Federer can't beat Simon then he can't win this AO anyway.

He's playing really well, and he's gonna take Simon's second serve out this time. I think that's the adjustment he's going to make.

I think Federer is playing really well, and as long as he keeps it up, he can beat any player in history, let alone Simon.

Errrr... Nadal just straight-setted him recently in Abu Dhabi on HC ;-)

BukShy
01-16-2011, 12:40 AM
Can we quote you on that? :)

yep.was thinkin to mention that but forgot tho.thx

federer is already in final in his mind and he is playing like that.
Simon or NOT.Federer is in the final.

Ps.no surprize will happen with : Federer,Nadal,Söderling,Murray;Djokovic. These 5 guys can beat the rest anytime.exciting things will start to happen when they gonna meet. I want to see nadal murray :D

joeri888
01-16-2011, 02:26 AM
Troicki is one of the hottest players on tour right now, winning the DC for Serbia. He's also just attained a career high ranking of #26. Simon beat Troicki in straight sets.

He also beat Gulbis (#20) in straight sets, bagelling him in 16 minutes in the second.

I predict Simon will be back in the top 10 very soon.

Might be.. It sure is a tough second round, because Simon is playing like top 15. However, don't forget what Federer did to Troicki in Doha.

Fed-Simon will be an interesting encounter I believe. Fed in 4.

dandelion_smiley
01-16-2011, 04:24 AM
NadalAgassi: I don't know but Fed has been more vulnerable than usual in slams lately. Age will affect him in best of 5 more than in best of 3. Even if he does well at AO, the general trend we observed last year is likely to continue but we'll see.

The general trend YOU observed means just about as much as nothing. Federer was playing crap not only in Slams but pretty much everywhere else, check out his results from the2010 Australian Open till Wimbledon. Federer struggling in a best-of-5 format? He didn't lose a single set en route to the semis at the US Open, lost to an inspired Djokovic in the semis and nearly pulled it off. Federer's stamina is as good as anyone's even at 29.

Gorecki
01-16-2011, 05:10 AM
Simon will triple bagel Federer and **** on his golden man purse, too. Mighty Frenchman he is.

if not, you will post the usual Once more French Surrender bs...

am i right or am i right?

Underhand
01-16-2011, 06:40 AM
if not, you will post the usual Once more French Surrender bs...

am i right or am i right?

http://images.spoof-media.com/thespoof/pdi/7308-5620surrender.jpg

TBrady
01-19-2011, 09:20 AM
Well Fed did great to get through to the next round. What a load that counterpunching Simon can be.

veroniquem
01-19-2011, 03:48 PM
What you are saying makes sense of course. However I think Federer has been playing alot better since he hooked up with Annacone. What is the worst loss he has had since Wimbledon? Losses to Murray and Djokovic. That is pretty great for a worst performance in that long a span when you think about it. He has been the most consistent performer since after Wimbledon, even over Nadal (Nadal of course won the biggest title since at the U.S Open). Compare that to Federer's play from February-July which was a mess. That is why I dont think you will see a Berdych or even Soderling beat him in a slam anytime soon, and someone like Djokovic or Murray will need to come up with something special to pull it off. I am not a Federer fan in the least but that is what I see for now atleast.

Of course father time will keep ticking but Federer's improved form will last atleast a bit longer I expect.
Well, that's your opinion and you're welcome to it but I'm making a distinction between best of 3 and best of 5 format. Fed was already with Annacone at the USO. And he already had a great result in best of 3 before USO (Cincy).
IMO, best of 5 is currently harder for him to handle than best of 3. If the Simon match had been a best of 3, he would have straight setted Simon but look what happened. Vs a better player, he has a good chance to get in trouble when the match is long.
By the way, I love your username (it has my 2 favorite players in it!)

veroniquem
01-19-2011, 03:54 PM
The general trend YOU observed means just about as much as nothing. Federer was playing crap not only in Slams but pretty much everywhere else.



I don't know what it "means" but it's there. Federer was not playing like crap at all at USO 2010 (he was playing very well at USO 2009 too).
Whether Fed can reverse that trend, we shall see, shan't we? But until he does it (for at least 2 slams in a row), I will consider that my analysis about him being more vulnerable in slams than before is correct.

Nextman916
01-19-2011, 04:05 PM
I voted 5 after I saw the match.