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birmingham
01-15-2011, 07:57 PM
Kei is very promising and has a lot of potential. I think he can be # 1 player in world someday and win more Grand slams..

dantheman
01-15-2011, 07:59 PM
He isn't that good to be #1.... I'd say maybe top 10, most likely his highest ranking will prob be 8-15 around there

Sid_Vicious
01-15-2011, 08:00 PM
He wont even get close IMO.

MichaelNadal
01-15-2011, 08:08 PM
Kei is very promising and has a lot of potential. I think he can be # 1 player in world someday and win more Grand slams..

http://michaeljacksonanimatedgifs.com/images/others/mjgifs128.gif

Sid_Vicious
01-15-2011, 08:08 PM
http://michaeljacksonanimatedgifs.com/images/others/mjgifs128.gif
ROFL! good one. :)

MichaelNadal
01-15-2011, 08:30 PM
Kei Nishikori being number 1 may be the craziest thing i've ever heard on here.

MrFlip
01-15-2011, 08:38 PM
In every stupid thread there's a great animation.

Clearly the OP knows nothing about tennis.

Bryan Swartz
01-15-2011, 08:53 PM
Even most of us in the Kei N. thread wouldn't go nearly this far.

El Diablo
01-15-2011, 08:55 PM
Maybe Warhol was right -- we will all be #1 for fifteen minutes.

MajinX
01-15-2011, 09:23 PM
hes good and has potential but nothing so far has shown any indication of world number 1ness

samurai13
01-15-2011, 10:04 PM
Key For Numero Uno Oh Yahh

samurai13
01-15-2011, 10:04 PM
^spelling Fail

Bud
01-15-2011, 10:13 PM
Kei is very promising and has a lot of potential. I think he can be # 1 player in world someday and win more Grand slams..

Thanks for the laugh ;)

1970CRBase
01-15-2011, 11:49 PM
Top 50ish player.

aceX
01-16-2011, 12:22 AM
Maybe he could pull a chang and win the french open once nadal retires

Underhand
01-16-2011, 02:30 AM
Kei is very promising and has a lot of potential. I think he can be # 1 player in world someday and win more Grand slams..

http://www.9622.net/images/lol-gorilla.jpg

dandelion_smiley
01-16-2011, 03:09 AM
Schuttler has a better chance of becoming no 1 than Nishikori.

pepka
01-16-2011, 03:12 AM
In theory everybody has a chance to be #1 but... There's noooooooooo way in hell for him to be there. I'm not even sure about his top 10 future.

Joe Pike
01-16-2011, 03:40 AM
Kei is very promising and has a lot of potential. I think he can be # 1 player in world someday and win more Grand slams..


Who is he?

From Japan?

DanaKz
01-16-2011, 03:52 AM
He can't. He can't stay injury-free for 2 monthes in a row. When he is not injured he get food-poisoning.

westside
01-16-2011, 03:57 AM
Kei is very promising and has a lot of potential. I think he can be # 1 player in world someday and win more Grand slams..

Have I missed something? When did he win A grand slam?

Gorecki
01-16-2011, 04:11 AM
Kei Nishikori can be the Eurovison song contest winner in 2012...

Blinkism
01-16-2011, 04:13 AM
Kei Nishikori can win the Tour de France in 2013...

Dilettante
01-16-2011, 04:20 AM
With Kei Nishikori you can rule the galaxy as father and son.





Side note: You've read it here first. Kei Noshikori is going to become the TTW's Chuck Norris.

westside
01-16-2011, 04:30 AM
Kei Nishikori can kill 2 stones with 1 bird

Gorecki
01-16-2011, 04:33 AM
Kei will replace the Hadron Collider with his forehand.

Clay lover
01-16-2011, 04:35 AM
And I can cure cancer.

Fedace
01-16-2011, 04:57 AM
I think Kei could have been top 5 player about 20 years ago. but now with all these power players like soderling and Berdych, it has become much more difficult. Kei has weapons for sure,, his forehand and speed for instance. but just not enough to crack the top 5.

Manus Domini
01-16-2011, 06:08 AM
Kei Nishikori being number 1 may be the craziest thing i've ever heard on here.

searched for Donald Young quotes and went to first few threads with him. Found two really crazy ones (comparing him to Isner):

Its because Young has been around longer and Young is a better player then Isner.

Young has better groundstrokes and moves better.

Golden Retriever
01-16-2011, 06:34 AM
I can't help but notice the racist intone towards Asian men.

Dilettante
01-16-2011, 06:35 AM
I can't help but notice the racist intone towards Asian men.

Are you serious?

[Z]engin
01-16-2011, 06:36 AM
He's not going to be the #1 in the near future, that's for sure.

How long are Djokovic and Murray on the tour? Neither of them have reached that position, Nole briefly smelled the #2 position.

kishnabe
01-16-2011, 06:55 AM
Um nooo...Maybe number 10 but that is about it!

Sentinel
01-16-2011, 07:13 AM
Kei is very promising and has a lot of potential. I think he can be # 1 player in world someday and win more Grand slams..
:D
You just beat the almost epic "andy murray to win more slams this year?" thread of Jan 10.

I love your positive attitude. I think Davydenko and Tsonga can win more slams, too.

Sentinel
01-16-2011, 07:16 AM
http://www.9622.net/images/lol-gorilla.jpg
that's a very obese platypus with too much makeup.

Fedace
01-16-2011, 07:18 AM
Don't be surprised if Kei pulls off an upset or two next week. He is playing well and injury free. and those large Japanese contingent are very supportive and show up in mass. Only thing is they tend to remain quiet during the matches... lol

UMDTennis23
01-16-2011, 10:08 AM
Don't be surprised if Kei pulls off an upset or two next week. He is playing well and injury free. and those large Japanese contingent are very supportive and show up in mass. Only thing is they tend to remain quiet during the matches... lol

It would be awesome but I wouldn't count on it. Hes got Fognini, Davydenko then Verdasco. Seems like too much of a challenge to me.

Fedace
01-16-2011, 10:13 AM
It would be awesome but I wouldn't count on it. Hes got Fognini, Davydenko then Verdasco. Seems like too much of a challenge to me.

All 3 guys you mentioned, Kei CAN beat. Fogninin no problem. Davydenko not in top form--definitely beatble for Kei. Verdasco has been making errors like he is pimping iron for Gil Reyes,,,,,Kei will take him in 5 sets.:)

Bryan Swartz
01-16-2011, 10:48 AM
Both Davydenko and Verdasco would be significant upsets. Fognini is basically a guy in the same situation as Nishikori -- a couple years older though and I think he's basically peaked. That match could go either way but it's the kind of match that Kei needs to win to move up.

Honestly I expect Kei to beat Fognini and lose to Davydenko -- if he gets past the second round it's a great AO for him. As far as Verdasco goes, I wouldn't be half surprised to see him lose right away to Tipsy.

Fedace
01-16-2011, 04:04 PM
Kei Nishkori beating on Fogninini like cheap apron...

ATP100
01-16-2011, 04:36 PM
Kei is very promising and has a lot of potential. I think he can be # 1 player in world someday and win more Grand slams..

He has already had a career ending injury, he just hasn't quit playing yet.

birmingham
01-17-2011, 01:31 AM
Let me correct myself..He can win Grandslam someday.
and I mean it.. Hes got so much talent..and can beat some good players..some posters here are so rude to asians..

Sentinel
01-17-2011, 03:19 AM
Let me correct myself..He can win Grandslam someday.
and I mean it.. Hes got so much talent..and can beat some good players..some posters here are so rude to asians..
true.
somedev will also win more slams one day and be #1.

wait, he's not asian, he's indian.

birmingham
01-17-2011, 03:34 AM
true.
somedev will also win more slams one day and be #1.

wait, he's not asian, he's indian.

" Hes Japanese"

adams_1
01-17-2011, 04:48 AM
Let me correct myself..He can win Grandslam someday.
and I mean it.. Hes got so much talent..and can beat some good players..some posters here are so rude to asians..

You're kidding, right? You really went there?

Manus Domini
01-17-2011, 05:08 AM
Let me correct myself..He can win Grandslam someday.
and I mean it.. Hes got so much talent..and can beat some good players..some posters here are so rude to asians..

remind me how again? Last I checked, no one here was anti-oriental

plus, technically Asians have won slams if they were from the Asian part of Russia (I don't know if any were or weren't, but Russia considers itself Europe)

true.
somedev will also win more slams one day and be #1.

wait, he's not asian, he's indian.

Indians are Asians :neutral:

Sentinel
01-17-2011, 07:26 AM
Indians are Asians :neutral:
this is a ref to what Bud posted earlier in another thread. ;)

Bryan Swartz
01-17-2011, 12:24 PM
I don't think Nishikori is Slam winner material, and he's my favorite young player. I think he can be at least Top 20, maybe Top 10, and the main thing he needs(and is getting) is match experience.

The biggest thing though is he needs to massively improve consistency and defensive capability on the forehand side, and continue improving his serve. When he wasn't busy talking to himself, whining to the ump or no-one in particular, or demonstrating in basically every way that he didn't care(the final game of the second set was just classic), Fognini exposed that fairly regularly.

Kei's backhand and movement around the court though? Things of beauty, things of beauty.

Manus Domini
01-17-2011, 01:19 PM
this is a ref to what Bud posted earlier in another thread. ;)

oh ok lol

didn't catch that

aceX
01-17-2011, 01:22 PM
If World = Japan then yes

Markov
01-17-2011, 02:14 PM
Give me a break

forthegame
01-17-2011, 02:44 PM
I can be number one.

DMan
01-17-2011, 03:23 PM
Kei is very promising and has a lot of potential. I think he can be # 1 player in world someday and win more Grand slams..

Win more Grand Slam whats?

At a maximum personal best, he might one day crack the top 20, for a short period of time. And that's it. #1 in the world? ! Puh-lease. He's lucky to be #1 in Japan.

Fedace
01-17-2011, 03:32 PM
Fogninin said that Kei will be top 5 player one day and win a grand slam one day as well.

Bryan Swartz
01-17-2011, 03:42 PM
Fognini is a psycho though.

birmingham
01-18-2011, 12:53 AM
@Dman.. are you a good player..? you post as if you were super good.. ud probably experienced a lot of losses even to girl players..or should i say your a frequent loser


"respect my post about kei"

Underhand
01-18-2011, 01:16 AM
@Dman.. are you a good player..? you post as if you were super good.. ud probably experienced a lot of losses even to girl players..or should i say your a frequent loser


One doesn't have to be master chef to know that the food is crap.

Xemi666
01-18-2011, 01:27 AM
He will win 0 grand slams and 0 masters series in his career, book it.

One doesn't have to be master chef to know that the food is crap.

Lol master chef :lol:

dandelion_smiley
01-18-2011, 01:44 AM
http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/this-thread-sucks/8/This_thread_sucks.jpg

fedfan08
01-18-2011, 03:00 AM
Kei is very promising and has a lot of potential. I think he can be # 1 player in world someday and win more Grand slams..win more grand slams? He hasn't won one yet...

TennisAddict121
01-18-2011, 06:28 AM
I love Kei Nishikori he is probably one of my favorite players of all time...but #1? Get real bro, maybe if he has a real lucky year he can finish around 8. But I doubt he will ever win a slam. Out of all the younger generation players I say Dimitrov has the best shot

SBD
01-18-2011, 01:29 PM
I love Kei Nishikori he is probably one of my favorite players of all time...but #1? Get real bro, maybe if he has a real lucky year he can finish around 8. But I doubt he will ever win a slam. Out of all the younger generation players I say Dimitrov has the best shot

same here I think Nishikori could get into the top 10 but not #1.I have a feeling dimitrov and nishikori will have a rivalry, btw how good is that donnay, is power and stability good

TennisAddict121
01-18-2011, 01:48 PM
Yeah I would love to see dimitrov and kei play each other. It would kind of be like a Federer Djokovic rivalry considering how close they play to the latter. And my donnays are great actually I like it better than my old prestige pro. Stability is better than anything I've ever felt, even the K90. And surprisingly there is plenty of power.

Seany
01-18-2011, 06:00 PM
Kei looked really good today

kishnabe
01-18-2011, 06:20 PM
5 more matches to go.....Kei For Aussie. Still I feel goosebumps thinking he can get to the 3rd round. Then again this guy got 4th round of US open once. At least he is making Gulbis look **** poor in achievment!

Rank 70 in LiveRankings...Come on 45!

TennisAddict121
01-18-2011, 06:37 PM
5 more matches to go.....Kei For Aussie. Still I feel goosebumps thinking he can get to the 3rd round. Then again this guy got 4th round of US open once. At least he is making Gulbis look **** poor in achievment!

Rank 70 in LiveRankings...Come on 45!

Vamos Kei!!! Btw long time no talk Kish

DMan
01-18-2011, 10:23 PM
@Dman.. are you a good player..? you post as if you were super good.. ud probably experienced a lot of losses even to girl players..or should i say your a frequent loser


"respect my post about kei"

Let me guess. You're Asian. Female. Under 21. And have never played tennis in your life.

That's why you claim a player of no importance can be world #1.....in tennis.....and win "more" Grand Slams. (Um, you have to win 1 before you can win more!)

I respect intelligence. Not gibberish.

birmingham
01-19-2011, 12:58 AM
i corrected myself if you read my previous post.. may win grandslam someday.. *peace*

Fedace
01-20-2011, 10:58 AM
so if Kei beats Verdasco,,is he finally top 5 material ???

rovex
01-20-2011, 11:03 AM
so if Kei beats Verdasco,,is he finally top 5 material ???

No way is he beating my boy Fer :twisted:

Underhand
01-20-2011, 11:04 AM
No way is he beating my boy Fer :twisted:

Don't underestimate your boy.

Bryan Swartz
01-20-2011, 12:40 PM
so if Kei beats Verdasco,,is he finally top 5 material ???

Doesn't mean he is if he wins, or that he isn't if he loses. No one match can show that.

He's already beaten then - No. 4 Ferrer a couple years ago. Beating Verdasco would be no better than equally big to that(same stage, USO R3 in 2008 ).

Of course, it would hasten the upgrading of Project 45 to Project 20 :).

jms007
01-20-2011, 01:25 PM
I don't see him being consistent enough to even sniff top 20. Well he may get sniff, but it will evaporate pretty fast.

Fedace
01-20-2011, 01:30 PM
I don't see him being consistent enough to even sniff top 20. Well he may get sniff, but it will evaporate pretty fast.

LOL.....Kei is very consistant. Dont' let what happened last 2 years fool you. ONly reason he is out of top 20 is injuries. If he stays injury free for next 2-3 years, he will be top 10 and stay there.

Markov
01-20-2011, 01:37 PM
Never #1, but if Gilles Simon got himself ranked sixth in the world, then why wouldn't Nishikori?

Xemi666
01-21-2011, 01:15 AM
so if Kei beats Verdasco,,is he finally top 5 material ???

Not happening :)

birmingham
10-14-2011, 07:04 PM
re posting..

BobFL
10-14-2011, 08:40 PM
Never #1, but if Gilles Simon got himself ranked sixth in the world, then why wouldn't Nishikori?

You serious? Simon is premier tennis player. Kei is in 2nd echelon of players and seriously underpowered for a pro.

Tony48
10-14-2011, 08:46 PM
Kei is very promising and has a lot of potential. I think he can be # 1 player in world someday and win more Grand slams..


ummmmm.....what?

Sim
10-14-2011, 09:55 PM
Kei will be a top 10 at best but not slam material. Maybe he can reach a SF in a slam if he's lucky.

Forehand Avenger
10-14-2011, 10:07 PM
Kei is very promising and has a lot of potential. I think he can be # 1 player in world someday and win more Grand slams..

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/Sanford_Son_Laughing.gif

NadalAgassi
10-15-2011, 12:50 AM
He will do well to ever make the top 10. When even Verdasco can make you look like a badly overmatched clown on court (eg- the Australian Open match) it isnt a good sign for your future.

Fedex
10-15-2011, 12:53 AM
re posting..

If he beats Murray today and that's a massive IF, he still has a long way to go.
Maybe a more realistic prediction would have been top 10 but who knows, maybe you see a future Agassi in the guy.
Look at all the great players we thought were going to be a force:
Gasquet, Berdych, Del Potro, Soderling and many more.
These are fantastic talents and yet they still can't get anywhere near the top 4 never mind number 1.
You never know though, you just never know.

_maxi
10-15-2011, 04:15 AM
He has a beautiful backhand, with good pace and positioning, and has an even better forehand. A good serve for his height. He is intelligent. He can be top 10 for sure... maybe win a slam.
Oh, I forgot how good his volleys are.

Bjorn99
10-15-2011, 04:23 AM
I see nothing to get excited about with this guy.

tennis_pro
10-15-2011, 05:06 AM
He's got 360 points form a SF in Shanghai to start with. Another 12.000 required and he's there.

syc23
10-15-2011, 05:44 AM
Sorry Murray has just crushed Project 45 and fed him a bagel ;)

There's more chance for Donald Young to win a CYGS than Kei to reach no.1.

Feņa14
10-15-2011, 05:45 AM
I saw him at Wimbledon live, i'd read alot of hype about him and he didn't match up to it on any level.

I'm sure he can make the top 20, but number 1 and majors to his name? I can't see it.

Peters
10-15-2011, 05:49 AM
He has some nice shots to be fair. Just needs to work on things a bit more. There's some potential there.

It's probably a bit unfair judging him when he's playing someone like Murray. His game was dismantled in the 2nd set, but he should look at it as a learning experience.

Bobby Jr
10-15-2011, 06:01 AM
Yeah, watching this match vs Murray it's pretty easy to see he doesn't have a rounded enough game to ever be a contender for #1. I'd be surprised if he even got to top 5.

Too flakey on his forehand and made pretty basic desperate shot choices on probably 1/3 of the points in that match. Until a player is playing good tennis strategy-wise their potential is limited by how many days a year they hit a high percentage of tee-off shots into the court.

stringertom
10-15-2011, 07:21 AM
re posting..

Necrothreadia=a real jinx...congrats to Knishi 4 a good week but not exciting enough to merit top 10 consideration. A major? No way! I'd put Ebden's week higher on the list for "break-out performance".

Forehand Avenger
10-15-2011, 07:29 AM
I saw him at Wimbledon live, i'd read alot of hype about him and he didn't match up to it on any level.

I'm sure he can make the top 20, but number 1 and majors to his name? I can't see it.
The hype is a product of Nishikori being the only male Japanese tennis player to spring up to prominence. It's normal, but it's just hype.

_maxi
10-15-2011, 07:33 AM
Necrothreadia=a real jinx...congrats to Knishi 4 a good week but not exciting enough to merit top 10 consideration. A major? No way! I'd put Ebden's week higher on the list for "break-out performance".
Well, he beat Tsonga, who beat Federer this year and is n8 in the world, so he cant be so bad after all. He lost today to murray, getting baggeled, but nadal also got baggeled last week. Does it make nadal a bad player too?

Feņa14
10-15-2011, 08:08 AM
The hype is a product of Nishikori being the only male Japanese tennis player to spring up to prominence. It's normal, but it's just hype.

I didn't want to say it, but I feel the same. Japan is a wonderful Country and it's great they have a very good player, it's just a shame I can't see him living up to the lofty expectations being put on his shoulders.

Shaolin
10-15-2011, 08:34 AM
The hype is a product of Nishikori being the only male Japanese tennis player to spring up to prominence. It's normal, but it's just hype.


I think the hype is because he's a flashy and fun player to watch. He could be from Antarctica for all I care.

PhenomeNadal
10-15-2011, 08:42 AM
Kei Nishikori can be World #1 when the polar ice caps melt, hell freezes over and when the united states becomes the People's Republic of the United States of America.......... should be like 3 weeks.

:P

Marius_Hancu
10-15-2011, 08:51 AM
Not enough weapons, I guess.

Fedex
10-15-2011, 10:22 AM
Kei Nishikori can be World #1 when the polar ice caps melt, hell freezes over and when the united states becomes the People's Republic of the United States of America.......... should be like 3 weeks.
:P

Global warming - that's very possible, the polar ice caps look like they're on their way out.

Hell freezes over - very unlikely but hell is a fictitious place so we can discount that one.

People's Republic of the United States is plausible with the world finally realising the massive flaws and evil of unregulated capitalism.

Nishikori no.1 here we come.

stringertom
10-15-2011, 10:28 AM
Well, he beat Tsonga, who beat Federer this year and is n8 in the world, so he cant be so bad after all. He lost today to murray, getting baggeled, but nadal also got baggeled last week. Does it make nadal a bad player too?

Re-read my post...it was a great week for Knishi but I don't think the OP contention is realistic to consider at this time. Shanghai needs to be duplicated and triplicated, just as Tsonga needed to back up Wimby/Montreal Fed defeats at USO to rate top 5/major talk. The elite level is separated from the next layer by the action on that narrow, gray-matter court between the ears. When, and if, Knishi gets Ferrer-terrier-tough in his head he has a chance to climb the ladder.

Fedex
10-15-2011, 10:58 AM
...it was a great week for Knishi but I don't think the OP contention is realistic to consider at this time. Shanghai needs to be duplicated and triplicated, just as Tsonga needed to back up Wimby/Montreal Fed defeats at USO to rate top 5/major talk. The elite level is separated from the next layer by the action on that narrow, gray-matter court between the ears. When, and if, Knishi gets Ferrer-terrier-tough in his head he has a chance to climb the ladder.

Agree with this.
Tennis seems to be an exponentially hard sport.
To get to number 30 this week, Nishikori had to beat Robin Haase, Tsonga and Dolgopolov, all exceptionally talented, tough players.
That in itself was an unbelievable feat.
He would have to keep that sort of consistency up just to get into the top 10.
Then you have the top 4 gulf which is massive as seen today.

Manus Domini
10-15-2011, 11:08 AM
Agree with this.
Tennis seems to be an exponentially hard sport.
To get to number 30 this week, Nishikori had to beat Robin Haase, Tsonga and Dolgopolov, all exceptionally talented, tough players.
That in itself was an unbelievable feat.
He would have to keep that sort of consistency up just to get into the top 10.
Then you have the top 4 gulf which is massive as seen today.

Correction: exponentially hard sport to rise in the ranks.

The difficulty of the sport doesn't increase, the difficulty of competition increases as you move up.

That being said, it's also harder to go down a lot in ranking than go up a lot. Why? You face less top players that way.

Think about it for a #10 seed in a slam. He's not going to play only seeded players through the tourney. But for someone ranked 99 in the world, he might have to to get to QFs

ahuimanu
10-15-2011, 11:12 AM
Not enough weapons, I guess.

...plus lacking in the physical dept too (strength/fitness, coming back from injuries). On the plus, he's a very talented ballstriker who will have his share of good wins'...otherwise, believe he's almost maxed out on his potential... I like Kei's game though and wish him the best :)

Fedex
10-15-2011, 11:15 AM
Correction: exponentially hard sport to rise in the ranks.

I assumed you would know what I meant.
We're not talking about club tennis here but you make an interesting point about how it is harder to rise than fall in the rankings.

Manus Domini
10-15-2011, 11:22 AM
I assumed you would know what I meant.
We're not talking about club tennis here but you make an interesting point about how it is harder to rise than fall in the rankings.

I did. But my Econ AP teacher is teaching me to not know the difference.

"A shift along the demand curve does not mean a shift OF the demand curve. Clear your brains of that nonsense, or you'll fail your next hundred tests and never go to college" :)

gahaha
10-15-2011, 01:09 PM
Kei is very promising and has a lot of potential. I think he can be # 1 player in world someday and win more Grand slams..

He can only be #1 if and only if.....He skips out on a tournament in which all of the top 20 players participates, then a strange and deadly disease broke out, hospitalizing all participants. Maybe he'll be #1 then lololol

He's not #1 material.

Forehand Avenger
10-15-2011, 01:12 PM
He can only be #1 if and only if.....He skips out on a tournament in which all of the top 20 players participates, then a strange and deadly disease broke out, hospitalizing all participants. Maybe he'll be #1 then lololol

He's not #1 material.
You are referring to the Great Mono Epidemic of 2012.

Achilles82
10-15-2011, 01:27 PM
Top 20 quality only. Not even top 10, sorry to say.

Fedex
10-15-2011, 02:31 PM
I did. But my Econ AP teacher is teaching me to not know the difference.

"A shift along the demand curve does not mean a shift OF the demand curve. Clear your brains of that nonsense, or you'll fail your next hundred tests and never go to college" :)

You've totally lost me Manus.
Explain.

Manus Domini
10-16-2011, 06:17 AM
You've totally lost me Manus.
Explain.

Bascially, a shift along the demand curve means that both price and quantity desired change, but demand for the good does not. A shift of the demand curve means that for the same price, quantity demanded changes and demand for the good as a whole changes.

Fedex
10-17-2011, 03:09 AM
Bascially, a shift along the demand curve means that both price and quantity desired change, but demand for the good does not. A shift of the demand curve means that for the same price, quantity demanded changes and demand for the good as a whole changes.

I'm interested but still not totally getting this.
Can you send me a link showing and explaining the demand curve.
I'm assuming it's a bell curve?

1970CRBase
10-17-2011, 03:19 AM
Correction: exponentially hard sport to rise in the ranks.

The difficulty of the sport doesn't increase, the difficulty of competition increases as you move up.

That being said, it's also harder to go down a lot in ranking than go up a lot. Why? You face less top players that way.

Think about it for a #10 seed in a slam. He's not going to play only seeded players through the tourney. But for someone ranked 99 in the world, he might have to to get to QFs

Do you mean like the production function which flattens out ?

btw, your demand curve is shifted by demand factors.

mcr619619
10-17-2011, 04:53 AM
no...but everything is possible

15_ounce
10-17-2011, 02:32 PM
I doubt it he can be number one and win several slams. He seems to be prone of injury, especially with his arm...... the way he serves and the way he hit the ball. He elbows a lot of his serves. He needs a heftier racket and use more wrist snaps when he serves.

birmingham
10-17-2011, 06:38 PM
i think he can but not at this time.. just like what happned to djokovic just stayed on tour and eventully became really strong..

Fedex
10-20-2011, 03:44 PM
i think he can but not at this time.. just like what happned to djokovic just stayed on tour and eventully became really strong..

Djokovic was getting to the latter stages of nearly every tournament he played for years before his great run this year.
Previously, Djokovic was still a very strong player, contrary to popular belief.
The question was will Djokovic decline, instead he improved his tennis, which was already at a high level, making him the best player.
Nishikori is not even a fraction near where Djokovic was pre 2011.
Djokovic was number 3 and 4 in the world for a solid 3 years before he really broke through.
You have to be incredibly consistent to maintain that ranking.
Murray, this year, made a final and 3 semi finals in all four of the slams just to reach number 3.
These are the standards, then you have to go off the scale to become number 1.

Evan77
10-20-2011, 04:28 PM
I like Kei but don't think he is even top 10 material let along being #1. He is 21yo, solid player but he really doesn't have real weapons. He is a small guy.

Someone was comparing Novak and Kei. That's kinda silly. Novak won his first GS when he was only 20yo and he was ranked #3 already.

I do wish him the best tho.

angler
10-20-2011, 04:44 PM
I'm sure the thread poster didn't really mean that Kei can be #1 and several posts here gave reasonable answers.
But I would add some light to what he already achieved. He is the first Japanese to reach #30! He did what nobody and never achieved in his nation! Ain't that something to be really proud of?

DarkSephiroth
10-20-2011, 04:59 PM
Bascially, a shift along the demand curve means that both price and quantity desired change, but demand for the good does not. A shift of the demand curve means that for the same price, quantity demanded changes and demand for the good as a whole changes.

I was an Econ Major in college, and I took AP Macro in high school as well and got a 5. It's quite fun, isn't it? =D

By the way, it's not a shift along the curve, it's called a movement along the curve. A "Shift" occurs only when there is an external factor (Other than Price) that alters the demand at all levels, causing the entire curve to shift. If you ever need help with Econ, let me know. I'm well versed in that, as well as in Tennis. =)

Anyways, back on topic: Nishikori has a pretty unique game really. He moves well, has a good court sense, and actually has pretty big weapons considering his size. He plays the lines quite well when he is in rhythm, but he seems to have a weakness against people who don't give you consistent balls and take you out of rhythm, such as a Murray or Federer. On the other hand, the typical "Big Hitters", he seems to play well against. I highly doubt he can ever reach number one, but he is going to be that guy who people do not want to see early in a slam.

birmingham
11-06-2011, 05:58 PM
I told ya all guys.. its happening now..
more win for Kei Nishikori!

Fedace
11-06-2011, 06:07 PM
He is already #1. He beat the Joker. so he is better than the World #1 at present time.

Dream_On
11-06-2011, 06:10 PM
He is already #1. He beat the Joker. so he is better than the World #1 at present time.

but he lost to the world number 4, so federer beat him who was the real number 1 so federer is now the real number one

Cesare
11-06-2011, 06:19 PM
good player, just 21 years old, but IMHO Raonic has more chances than him, and he's 20..

equinox
11-06-2011, 07:19 PM
He's a superstar. Now kei just needs to stay fit and healthy.

adamX012
11-06-2011, 07:21 PM
NO NO... NO.... He won't be a world number 1 but he is NO 1 on my mind as always...

Bobby Jr
11-06-2011, 08:05 PM
Nishokori hits way too many shots off-balance. It's a trademark of truly top players that they are balanced almost always, even when rushed. Federer in particular unbalances opponents by changing up angles and pace. He does this much moreso than the other top players so he's generally more likely to be a nightmare for lower ranked players. They get flustered and out of their comfort zone and Federer can just walk on them. With players like Djokovic and Murray lower ranked opponents can often rally with them quite well, but eventually just lose out through being slightly slower, too far back etc.

I don't see much in Nishikori which makes me think he'll ever be number one. He's a nice player but in the second tier. A career where he spends much of it hovering around the top 20 is likely for him imo.

Walenty
11-06-2011, 10:12 PM
A career where he spends much of it hovering around the top 20 is likely for him imo.

I'd say the same but I think he could hover a little higher--he's already ranked 25th as of today, and he's only 21.

Not that I think he's a future #1, but he'll probably make top 10 at some point, if not top 15.

syc23
11-07-2011, 02:54 AM
Why are people calling Nishikori as the future no.1 and best player since sliced bread all of a sudden? So many bandwagens to jump on this year: Tomic, Dolgopolov, Roanic, Young and now Nishikori..

Delpo was winning GS when he was 20. Let's not get carried away with the above until they do something meaningful like winning MS and GS.

beast of mallorca
11-07-2011, 03:04 AM
Why are people calling Nishikori as the future no.1 and best player since sliced bread all of a sudden? So many bandwagens to jump on this year: Tomic, Dolgopolov, Roanic, Young and now Nishikori..

Delpo was winning GS when he was 20. Let's not get carried away with the above until they do something meaningful like winning MS and GS.

Quoted for truth.

I'm also a fan of Kei and Raonic, but they need to do something bigger and stay fit, healthy, consistent and improve some more before giving them a crown or two.
For now, what we can say is that they are the best in Japan's and Canada's history so far (I'm open to corrections).

Torres
11-07-2011, 03:07 AM
he can be # 1 player in world someday and win more Grand slams..

No chance. His game is completely underpowered and that's not going to change that much as he gets older. He was just blown from one corner of the court to the other by Federer and couldn't handle either the pace of the ball or weight of shot.

Torres
11-07-2011, 03:10 AM
I can't help but notice the racist intone towards Asian men.

Do shutup, you blinkered troll.

You were blathering on about racism when people didn't start a 100 threads on here after Li Na won the French.

Fedex
11-07-2011, 03:59 AM
Nishokori hits way too many shots off-balance. It's a trademark of truly top players that they are balanced almost always, even when rushed. Federer in particular unbalances opponents by changing up angles and pace. He does this much moreso than the other top players so he's generally more likely to be a nightmare for lower ranked players. They get flustered and out of their comfort zone and Federer can just walk on them. With players like Djokovic and Murray lower ranked opponents can often rally with them quite well, but eventually just lose out through being slightly slower, too far back etc.

I don't see much in Nishikori which makes me think he'll ever be number one. He's a nice player but in the second tier. A career where he spends much of it hovering around the top 20 is likely for him imo.

Are there any other players apart from Federer you would suggest youngsters emulate?
I'm really puzzled because you're an experienced coach aren't you? I'm sure you told us you were?
You surely don't tell kids that Djokovic and Murray are way ahead of the field just because they're simply slightly faster and their opponents stand too far back, don't emulate them? And you minimise all their other strengths to the word "etc". So what do you mean by etc because I'm sure it's etc that makes them stand out and not the fact that they might be slightly faster.
I thought Murray in particular was renowned for changing up angles and pace for example.

Tony48
11-07-2011, 04:10 AM
I used to think it was impossible. Now I think it's just improbable :)

Asadinator
11-07-2011, 04:33 AM
No he can't, his serve is too weak.

chrischris
11-07-2011, 04:36 AM
I think he can be a top 10er. A no.1 i am not sure.. He has to work the points and i dont see him standing up in the GS events unless his serve earns him some free points.

celoft
11-07-2011, 04:38 AM
Not in this era.

Bobby Jr
11-07-2011, 05:19 AM
Are there any other players apart from Federer you would suggest youngsters emulate?
I'm really puzzled because you're an experienced coach aren't you? I'm sure you told us you were?
For sure, any of the top players will have things worth looking at and working out what they're doing fundamentally right. My point may not have been as clear as intended but basically Djokovic and Murry play quite conventionally but just do it much better than most can handle. Generally players who play them still get to play their intended game-plan - but they just get beaten by a more honed "tool". Federer, on the other hand, is generally a different story. Because he takes the ball much earlier on average than his peers, seems to have almost a 6th sense about his opponent's balance/movement, plus an ability to jump on the smallest openings to a way Djokovic and Murry can only dream about, means we see many more of his opponents fall apart and forget their game-plan. Oddly, some people see these matches and think "the guy folded for Fed" or gave up - but actually, they usually had their mojo ripped off them, got flustered, rushed, made poor shot choices/execution and, before they know it, they're back in the locker-room. For so long it has been common for a what-looks-like-a-form-player to be going through draws to come up against Federer and get trounced. Others may do it too but not to the same extent Federer has over such a long period of time.

The point about being balanced applies to Nadal, Djokovic, Federer, Murray etc. The very top guys have a poise about them which is hard to rock. Nishikori and many other talents still - get bent out of shape when the hard pressure is applied. That's one reason I look at Nishikori and can't see him ever being #1 or even in the top 10 for any consistent length of time. The adage 'form is temporary, class is permanent' generally holds true in tennis as much as elsewhere.

Re: My being a coach?? I don't recall claiming to be a coach. I have done in the past but never as a career or serious pursuit.
You surely don't tell kids that Djokovic and Murray are way ahead of the field just because they're simply slightly faster and their opponents stand too far back, don't emulate them?
Murray changes up angles and pace for sure, I agree. He does however still play a routine style of tennis overall - he just does most things that much better and more often than those ranked below him. It doesn't mean don't look at him as there's nothing to learn - quite the opposite, there are good lessons there - and ones which are much easier to see, explain and emulate than trying to coach the sort of x-factor that Federer has in his game tactics-wise.

Fedex
11-07-2011, 06:13 AM
Thanks Bobby. A very detailed, technical and informative reply.
More what I'm used to from you.
I'm sure it was yourself who made a great post a while back explaining that, contrary to popular belief, there was a massive gulf between players of today and yesterday, and yesterday meaning only 10 years plus, and how players of the past would be massacred on all fronts due to greatly improved coaching, knowledge, technology and more dedicated training.
I think you were knocking the different eras comparisons and showing how difficult and futile an exercise it was.
You also mentioned in that thread that you had been coaching at a high level for many years.
Hope I'm not misquoting you?

Kaz00
11-07-2011, 11:23 AM
He needs put on a little bit more muscle to get a bigger serve.

gregor.b
11-07-2011, 11:53 AM
Quoted for truth.

I'm also a fan of Kei and Raonic, but they need to do something bigger and stay fit, healthy, consistent and improve some more before giving them a crown or two.
For now, what we can say is that they are the best in Japan's and Canada's history so far (I'm open to corrections).

Greg Rusedski might disagree with that.I think he was Canadian before he became a Pommy.Not too sure what he was when he had his best results though.

niff
11-07-2011, 11:56 AM
Greg Rusedski might disagree with that.I think he was Canadian before he became a Pommy.Not too sure what he was when he had his best results though.
canada can have greg, we don't mind.

Bobby Jr
11-07-2011, 01:40 PM
...I'm sure it was yourself who made a great post a while back explaining that, contrary to popular belief, there was a massive gulf between players of today and yesterday.. I think you were knocking the different eras comparisons and showing how difficult and futile an exercise it was.... You also mentioned in that thread that you had been coaching at a high level for many years.
You're right, I do believe that the current top players would dominate the players from the 90s for sure. Many ex-pros seem to agree including guys like Lendl, Agassi etc. Comparing the achievements of different eras is OK to a point but once you get into finer details the comparisons get less relevant imo which is why I often try to boil it back to the achievements like slam wins, weeks at #1 etc instead of stuff like h2h or masters series wins.

Re: coaching. Any involvement I've had in coaching of any note has been administrative or helping out by hitting with promising juniors. Prior to that was being a coached junior myself in the late 80s.

Not that any of this has much to do with Nishikori but what I said above about poise/balance is the crux of it. Few players really have these things and can keep them intact under pressure.

mrDamien
11-07-2011, 06:52 PM
Japan's rising tennis son, Kei was once a practice partner with Federer played impressive tennis recently. Thumbs up!

rdis10093
11-07-2011, 07:09 PM
in the right direction

birmingham
07-15-2012, 10:49 PM
im still waiting..I thot hes gonna reach semis in wimbledon but the was beaten by Del Potro