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-Bobo-
01-18-2011, 06:20 AM
Am i crazy or does Tsonga have the best volleys, especially touch volleys of the current batch of players? You don't see him volley too often but when he does his touch is just exquisite. Examples in 08 against Nadal, granted that whole match he played ridiculous, I haven't seen many of his matches since 08 Masters cup till now so i assumed it was more of hot streak than anything, but now even though he lost to Melzer at kooyong he played some awe inspiring volleys during the match and now against Petzschner he's doing it again. The sense and feel this guy has at net is just amazing and he uses a friggin APD with full poly!!

So am I just being amazed because i haven't seen anyone volley well in so long or?

joeri888
01-18-2011, 06:21 AM
He's got a good volley, but his deep volleys are only half as good as his stop/dropvolleys. They're decent but not special imo.

aphex
01-18-2011, 06:23 AM
That would be Llodra...

Li Ching Yuen
01-18-2011, 06:23 AM
1.Stepanek
2.Llodra
3.Tsonga

that's the order.

However if it makes you feel better, Jo has the best drop volley of them all.

He's got great feel overall as well, perhaps just shy of Federer in that category.

AndyArodRoddick
01-18-2011, 06:26 AM
1.Stepanek
2.Llodra
3.Tsonga

that's the order.

However if it makes you feel better, Jo has the best drop volley of them all.

He's got great feel overall as well, perhaps just shy of Federer in that category.

No way Steps has better volleys than Llodra.

Tsonga is behing them for sure. He cant get that much pace on his volleys as does Llodra and Steps imo.

-Bobo-
01-18-2011, 06:27 AM
Holy crap, 4 replies in like 10 seconds. I don't think i've ever watched Stepanek play er wait i think i might have seen him play Djokovic Us open in 07, did that go to 5? Funnily enough the only match i've seen of Llodra was also against Djokovic at the Paris masters which was awesome to watch.

I agree about his deep volleys not being anywhere near as good but i find it odd for someone who seems to have such a natural feel for volleying to not take more advantage of it.

Li Ching Yuen
01-18-2011, 06:28 AM
No way Steps has better volleys than Llodra.

Tsonga is behing them for sure. He cant get that much pace on his volleys as does Llodra and Steps imo.

I started watching tennis 10 years ago.

How about you?

I know you watched Llodra in Paris.

aphex
01-18-2011, 06:30 AM
Holy crap, 4 replies in like 10 seconds. I don't think i've ever watched Stepanek play er wait i think i might have seen him play Djokovic Us open in 07, did that go to 5? Funnily enough the only match i've seen of Llodra was also against Djokovic at the Paris masters which was awesome to watch.

I agree about his deep volleys not being anywhere near as good but i find it odd for someone who seems to have such a natural feel for volleying to not take more advantage of it.

It's hard to volley on clay.
And everything is clay nowadays...

Li Ching Yuen
01-18-2011, 06:31 AM
Holy crap, 4 replies in like 10 seconds. I don't think i've ever watched Stepanek play er wait i think i might have seen him play Djokovic Us open in 07, did that go to 5? Funnily enough the only match i've seen of Llodra was also against Djokovic at the Paris masters which was awesome to watch.

I agree about his deep volleys not being anywhere near as good but i find it odd for someone who seems to have such a natural feel for volleying to not take more advantage of it.

He can't do that all the time because of his movement. He can't transition very well to the net, he's a big guy after all. So that's why you don't really see him serve and volley.

So, instead he comes on the approach shots that are almost unreturnable by the opposition. (especially forehand, but not only.)

The Nadal match pops up simply because Rafa runs like a horse and returns everything, so Jo had to hit a drop volley almost every shot. Normally against lesser opponents he doesn't get to do that.

-Bobo-
01-18-2011, 06:32 AM
It's hard to volley on clay.
And everything is clay nowadays...

Lol well i guess that's true to some extent, but it seems like drop volleys can still be very effective even though the penetrating ones aren't as successful any more.

Andres
01-18-2011, 06:33 AM
1. Llodra
2. Step
3. Lopez

-Bobo-
01-18-2011, 06:34 AM
This might seem odd but what about Nalbandian, where would you put him? As far back as the 06 masters cup final i noticed that while not a naturally gifted volleyer he's got very solid technique, displayed some of that against hewitt today aswell.

Li Ching Yuen
01-18-2011, 06:41 AM
This might seem odd but what about Nalbandian, where would you put him? As far back as the 06 masters cup final i noticed that while not a naturally gifted volleyer he's got very solid technique, displayed some of that against hewitt today aswell.

His backhand volley is great. He's got fine technique and all but he's not in the same league with the top volleyers on tour. He's good, but there are many good net players on tour, mostly guys that are seasoned on the tour that have caught the early 00's, people that play doubles etc.

aphex
01-18-2011, 06:42 AM
This might seem odd but what about Nalbandian, where would you put him? As far back as the 06 masters cup final i noticed that while not a naturally gifted volleyer he's got very solid technique, displayed some of that against hewitt today aswell.

Very good hands...but only goes to net for putaway volleys...

Andres
01-18-2011, 06:47 AM
Very good hands...but only goes to net for putaway volleys...
Absolutely not true. He actually plays quite a bit of S&V and also quite old-school approach shots

aphex
01-18-2011, 06:48 AM
Absolutely not true. He actually plays quite a bit of S&V and also quite old-school approach shots

We are talking about Nalbandian. David Nalbandian.

Li Ching Yuen
01-18-2011, 06:48 AM
Absolutely not true. He actually plays quite a bit of S&V and also quite old-school approach shots

You're confusing players most likely.

aphex
01-18-2011, 06:49 AM
We are talking about Nalbandian. David Nalbandian.

You're confusing players most likely.

lol................

vive le beau jeu !
01-18-2011, 06:58 AM
i know he never got ranked as high as the players mentionned so far, but what about mahut ?

AndyArodRoddick
01-18-2011, 07:01 AM
I started watching tennis 10 years ago.

How about you?

I know you watched Llodra in Paris.

I started 03. So you 'owned' me by 2 years.

It seems like I first heard 'Llodra' in Paris.

Llodra does basically everything better. He just plays too high risk tennis at times IMO.

jaggy
01-18-2011, 07:02 AM
I think Murray has very good volleys

Strateon
01-18-2011, 07:08 AM
R u sure??? I don't even think he has the best volleys in the match he just completed today...

Plenty of volleyers better out there like Llodra, just to name one.

-Bobo-
01-18-2011, 07:15 AM
I think Murray has very good volleys

Yeah he's another one, but like nalbandian mostly comes in only to finish off points, but like nalbandian also rarely messes it up.

amaze
01-18-2011, 07:20 AM
Am I wrong or did Mac recently say Rafa is a great volleyer? Percentage is also on Rafa's side: when he comes to the net, he wins the point.

Li Ching Yuen
01-18-2011, 07:22 AM
I started 03. So you 'owned' me by 2 years.

It seems like I first heard 'Llodra' in Paris.

Llodra does basically everything better. He just plays too high risk tennis at times IMO.

No.

Llodra is a lefty and thus has a better serve than Stepanek.


And yeah, Mahut is also great.

Li Ching Yuen
01-18-2011, 07:25 AM
Am I wrong or did Mac recently say Rafa is a great volleyer? Percentage is also on Rafa's side: when he comes to the net, he wins the point.

That'd be cool to believe but unfortunately for tennis specialists that dig very deep Nadal only puts away floaters at the net which land about the one meter behind the net.

So, no, for ****ing crying out loud.

If he is great then Rafter was Zeus reincarnate.

aphex
01-18-2011, 07:26 AM
No.

Llodra is a lefty and thus has a better serve than Stepanek.


And yeah, Mahut is also great.

Nadal is a lefty and thus has a better serve than Sampras.:)

rainingaces
01-18-2011, 07:28 AM
I agree with the "knowitall", steps has better volleys then llodra. He has better touch on the drop volleys also, does not make Llodras any less effective.

Li Ching Yuen
01-18-2011, 07:29 AM
Nadal is a lefty and thus has a better serve than Sampras.:)

I was talking relative to their level of controlling the shot. Llodra has an advantage by being a lefty.

-Bobo-
01-18-2011, 07:33 AM
That'd be cool to believe but unfortunately for tennis specialists that dig very deep Nadal only puts away floaters at the net which land about the one meter behind the net.

So, no, for ****ing crying out loud.

If he is great then Rafter was Zeus reincarnate.

I don't really agree with this, Nadal is actually quite good with handling drop volleys and drop shots, great touch in that respect but seems to shank some easy balls that are up high, the ones that are a meter past the net he just whips the hell out of with his ridiculous spin.

TennisAddict121
01-18-2011, 07:35 AM
Nadal is a lefty and thus has a better serve than Sampras.:)

Best post ever!!! LOL this made my day thank you, after being sick and throwing up the past two days I think this was the cure. Sarcasm at its finest

fundrazer
01-18-2011, 07:39 AM
I feel like everyone has hopped on the Llodra bandwagon since his excellent performances last year. He does have great volleys but I don't know if I'd call them the best on tour.

li0scc0
01-18-2011, 07:52 AM
1.Stepanek
2.Llodra
3.Tsonga

that's the order.

However if it makes you feel better, Jo has the best drop volley of them all.

He's got great feel overall as well, perhaps just shy of Federer in that category.

1) Llodra
2) Nieminen
3) Stepanek

Nieminen is an excellent volleyer!

Andres
01-18-2011, 07:57 AM
I feel like Melzer is a better volleyer than Nieminen.

mcenroefan
01-18-2011, 08:23 AM
I don't really agree with this, Nadal is actually quite good with handling drop volleys and drop shots, great touch in that respect but seems to shank some easy balls that are up high, the ones that are a meter past the net he just whips the hell out of with his ridiculous spin.

RAfa doesn't have an outstanding are pretty volleying stroke but does have some of the best footwork ever which puts him in position to hit easy, put away volleys. The entire package makes for pretty effective volleying.

-Bobo-
01-18-2011, 08:47 AM
RAfa doesn't have an outstanding are pretty volleying stroke but does have some of the best footwork ever which puts him in position to hit easy, put away volleys. The entire package makes for pretty effective volleying.

Hrmm i suppose that makes sense, i guess most shots are easy if you're in perfect position for them, especially at the pro level.

Li Ching Yuen
01-18-2011, 09:04 AM
Hrmm i suppose that makes sense, i guess most shots are easy if you're in perfect position for them, especially at the pro level.

The best way to judge volleyers is not only by when they're going to the net by their own choice but also when caught in the moment in that area of the court or in uncomfortable positions. That's why Stepanek is good, his gets are insane. Same goes for Llodra.

Nadal never puts himself in that position. Put-aways are not the measure of great volleyers.

aphex
01-18-2011, 09:08 AM
Best post ever!!! LOL this made my day thank you, after being sick and throwing up the past two days I think this was the cure. Sarcasm at its finest

Glad to be of service:)

jaggy
01-18-2011, 09:46 AM
I think Bogdanovic has a better volley than Bogomolov.

What do you mean nobody asked?

Or cares.

Haasquet
01-18-2011, 10:33 AM
I think Bogdanovic has a better volley than Bogomolov.

What do you mean nobody asked?

Or cares.

I like this post.

aphex
01-18-2011, 10:40 AM
I think Bogdanovic has a better volley than Bogomolov.

What do you mean nobody asked?

Or cares.

The battle of the ABogs...

Mansewerz
01-18-2011, 11:22 AM
Tsonga's volleys are super overrated. Mainly just droppers.

TBrady
01-18-2011, 11:27 AM
I agree they say drop volleys are hit because people cant play a regular volley or don't have confidence playing a second volley.

Proset
01-18-2011, 01:43 PM
I feel like everyone has hopped on the Llodra bandwagon since his excellent performances last year. He does have great volleys but I don't know if I'd call them the best on tour.

Definitely agree. Llodra has great volleys but I still think Stepanek is a little better. Lopez and Mahut are also good volleyers. And what about Gasquet?

ManFed
01-18-2011, 01:43 PM
Federer is the best volleyer in the tour. Just remember he won Wimby 2003 with S&V style. Also in Wimby 2001 he was S&V. He doesn't do it anymore because of the slow courts that makes it really unefective.

1970CRBase
01-18-2011, 07:02 PM
I honestly think Tsonga's current defensive 2 handed baseline game with that ridiculous APDC, while giving him more consistent results in this era under these current conditions, is a mismatch for his temperament and talent which I believe to be far more suited for an extremely aggressive serve volley one handed bh style. He did hit one rather wild crosscourt ohb against his opponent last match, won the point too. Would like to have seen him in the 70's era with wood on grass...

piece
01-18-2011, 07:14 PM
Nalbandian has a really good net game, anticipates well and volleys with good technique and good results, whether with touch or penetrating volleys. Hewitt actually has really solid volleys as well, although his overall net game isn't quite as good.

After seeing last night's match you might think otherwise, but both these guys are normally right up there, IMO.

ahuimanu
01-18-2011, 07:46 PM
Federer is the best volleyer in the tour. Just remember he won Wimby 2003 with S&V style. Also in Wimby 2001 he was S&V. He doesn't do it anymore because of the slow courts that makes it really unefective.

Gotta go with Fed on the volley :)

ATP100
01-18-2011, 08:42 PM
Tsonga best volleyer on tour?


NO!!

tacou
01-19-2011, 01:00 AM
its hard to say especially since people clearly dont want many tsonga matches. tsonga plays s&v more than almost any top player on tour. his drop volleys can be insane but his standard volleys are great too when he is playing confident.

its hard to say who has better volleys especially since most of the challengers (stepanek, llodra, gasquet) are ranked below him.

I think its easiest to say that Tsonga is a great volleyer and implements them well into a very aggressive game

aceX
06-23-2011, 02:09 PM
its hard to say especially since people clearly dont want many tsonga matches. tsonga plays s&v more than almost any top player on tour. his drop volleys can be insane but his standard volleys are great too when he is playing confident.

its hard to say who has better volleys especially since most of the challengers (stepanek, llodra, gasquet) are ranked below him.

I think its easiest to say that Tsonga is a great volleyer and implements them well into a very aggressive game

He has a great serve too which helps