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nadal_slam_king
01-19-2011, 06:04 AM
Jim Courier made the laughable comment during tonight's Simon-Federer encounter that:

"Simon is kidding himself if he thinks he's playing 2008 Federer" :lol:

As I recall, 2008 Federer played in the greatest match of all-time at Wimbledon vs Rafa, and beat Murray in straight sets at the US Open.

joeri888
01-19-2011, 06:06 AM
Jim Courier made the laughable comment during tonight's Simon-Federer encounter that:

"Simon is kidding himself if he thinks he's playing 2008 Federer" :lol:

As I recall, 2008 Federer played in the greatest match of all-time at Wimbledon vs Rafa, and beat Murray in straight sets at the US Open.

We'll have to wait and see.. The first two sets Federer was better than in 2008, the last three he was worse.

I think we shouldn't forget that this guy is almost thirty. What he's been doing is extraordinary and for his age, he's awesome. But you can't stop aging, so.. he was a step quicker back then probably, but has found some new tools now. If he is to win this AO, I'd say he's better now.

dandelion_smiley
01-19-2011, 06:31 AM
Jim Courier made the laughable comment during tonight's Simon-Federer encounter that:

"Simon is kidding himself if he thinks he's playing 2008 Federer" :lol:

As I recall, 2008 Federer played in the greatest match of all-time at Wimbledon vs Rafa, and beat Murray in straight sets at the US Open.

Participating in a Slam final doesn't mean that Federer is in top form cause he was literally in every Slam final since 2004 no matter how badly he played. One US Open final win over Murray doesnt prove anything, Federer wanted a Slam badly and that's pretty much the only thing he won in 2008.

I choose any post 2004 Federer > 2008 Federer. Federer was absolute crap in 95 % of the tournaments he played with the exceptions of maybe Basel and the US Open.

The 2010 Federer played crap too but more so because of his lack of motivation.

The 2011 Federer is yet to come, apart from sets 3 and 4 vs Simon in the 3rd round, he's done pretty well this year, he's 7-0 in matches

nadal_slam_king
01-19-2011, 06:40 AM
We'll have to wait and see.. The first two sets Federer was better than in 2008, the last three he was worse.

I think we shouldn't forget that this guy is almost thirty. What he's been doing is extraordinary and for his age, he's awesome. But you can't stop aging, so.. he was a step quicker back then probably, but has found some new tools now. If he is to win this AO, I'd say he's better now.

I think he'll make the QF or SF, but as soon as somebody puts him under the gun, it's over. Even Roddick would have a chance today. And Djokovic is looking better than Federer. Simon has one of the weakest 2nd serves on tour (about 138kmh and absolutely no penetration of any kind), and he was only getting 57% of 1st serves in!

zasr4325
01-19-2011, 06:42 AM
Jim Courier made the laughable comment during tonight's Simon-Federer encounter that:

"Simon is kidding himself if he thinks he's playing 2008 Federer" :lol:

As I recall, 2008 Federer played in the greatest match of all-time at Wimbledon vs Rafa, and beat Murray in straight sets at the US Open.

Yeah but if you look at the times simon beat fed, it's not hard to see why courier would say that. At toronto (?: it was in Canada) I don't think I've ever seen fed play worse, he could barely get a ball in play at all in the third set. And in the masters cup he had that back injury and was playing like absolute crap. I missed today's match actually, was fed bad in sets 3 & 4 or was simon playing well?

Speranza
01-19-2011, 06:45 AM
I think he'll make the QF or SF, but as soon as somebody puts him under the gun, it's over. Even Roddick would have a chance today. And Djokovic is looking better than Federer. Simon has one of the weakest 2nd serves on tour (about 138kmh and absolutely no penetration of any kind), and he was only getting 57% of 1st serves in!

Holmes: I disagree that Roddick would have stood a chance. Today's problem was Simon. Not the kind of player that Roger plays well against. As I mentioned in another post, I doubt Roger's level would have dropped against the majority of other players.

PS In all seriousness, why do you refer to Nadal as 'Slam King'? This corny old man is baffled by this.

nadal_slam_king
01-19-2011, 06:46 AM
Yeah but if you look at the times simon beat fed, it's not hard to see why courier would say that. At toronto (?: it was in Canada) I don't think I've ever seen fed play worse, he could barely get a ball in play at all in the third set. And in the masters cup he had that back injury and was playing like absolute crap. I missed today's match actually, was fed bad in sets 3 & 4 or was simon playing well?

Federer was awful in sets 3 & 4, absolutely nothing good about his play in those 2 sets. Plethora of shanks. Simon played well but not a lot different to the first 2 sets, and Simon's 138mph 2nd serve is absolutely useless with no spin or depth and he was only getting 57% of 1st serves in and Federer didn't take advantage at all. No way is Federer beating Djokovic based on this form. Even Roddick would have a chance.

nadal_slam_king
01-19-2011, 06:47 AM
Holmes: I disagree that Roddick would have stood a chance. Today's problem was Simon. Not the kind of player that Roger plays well against. As I mentioned in another post, I doubt Roger's level would have dropped against the majority of other players.

PS In all seriousness, why do you refer to Nadal as 'Slam King'? This corny old man is baffled by this.

Because Rafa wins more slams than any player in history. On the way to 5 or 6 in a row, maybe even more.

Speranza
01-19-2011, 06:49 AM
Because Rafa wins more slams than any player in history. On the way to 5 or 6 in a row, maybe even more.

Holmes: And there I was hoping for a true answer.... Oh well. :(

dandelion_smiley
01-19-2011, 06:53 AM
Because Rafa wins more slams than any player in history. On the way to 5 or 6 in a row, maybe even more.

Do you have to keep repeating it everywhere you go? We already know what you think.

Please do try to post something without bringing your "predictions"

nadal_slam_king
01-19-2011, 06:53 AM
Holmes: And there I was hoping for a true answer.... Oh well. :(

The truth is reality, you're watching it right now, enjoy the streak because you'll never see another player capable of this domination.

Bryan Swartz
01-19-2011, 07:02 AM
It isn't the truth until and unless it happens. He's won three in a row, not 5 or 6.

There's a difference between you thinking it WILL happen and it having happened already, which is required for it to be called 'truth'(fact would still be a better word for it, but again premature).

We also have no idea that there won't be a better player than either Federer or Nadal a few years down the pike. It really serves no useful purpose(other than making yourself look bad) than to claim things that we don't know yet. .

Speranza
01-19-2011, 07:04 AM
The truth is reality, you're watching it right now, enjoy the streak because you'll never see another player capable of this domination.

Holmes: The streak has nothing to do with the total amount, and hence who could thus arguably called a 'King'? Ralph is likely to get many more the way he plays. Good luck to him too. However, you really are lining yourself up for egg, omelette etc. on your face IF he doesn't win next week. And for once, oh yes, I'll be around to see those eggs be thrown in your direction ;)

david93
01-19-2011, 07:06 AM
The truth is reality, you're watching it right now, enjoy the streak because you'll never see another player capable of this domination.

So you're saying that Rafa will be as dominant as Federer was from 2004-2007..
He needs 3 more years almost as good as 2010 to accomplish that..

T1000
01-19-2011, 07:12 AM
Jim Courier made the laughable comment during tonight's Simon-Federer encounter that:

"Simon is kidding himself if he thinks he's playing 2008 Federer" :lol:

As I recall, 2008 Federer played in the greatest match of all-time at Wimbledon vs Rafa, and beat Murray in straight sets at the US Open.

That was not the greatest match of all time,

Safin-Fed AO 2005
Borg-Mcenroe Wimbledon 1980
Connors-Mcenroe USO 1984
Roddick-El Anouyi AO 2003
Mcenroe-Connors USO 1980

All were clearly better, and many more are debatable

nadal_slam_king
01-19-2011, 08:08 AM
Holmes: The streak has nothing to do with the total amount, and hence who could thus arguably called a 'King'? Ralph is likely to get many more the way he plays. Good luck to him too. However, you really are lining yourself up for egg, omelette etc. on your face IF he doesn't win next week. And for once, oh yes, I'll be around to see those eggs be thrown in your direction ;)

It's a given that Rafa will win 20+ slams. It's very likely he'll win at least 6 slams in a row, with the AO being the most difficult.

So you're saying that Rafa will be as dominant as Federer was from 2004-2007..
He needs 3 more years almost as good as 2010 to accomplish that..

The problem with Federer is he never won more than 3 slams in a row. Federer needed to win 4-6 slams in a row, because Rafa is on the way to that. Rafa's hardcourt game is improving and that leaves no holes in the year for anyone else to make an impact. And his nearest rivals will continue to be the usual suspects, with no prodigies on the way up. Murray, Djokovic, Soderling, Berdych are about all there is. Still, that's tougher competition than Roddick, so Rafa has quite a competitive era compared to the previous.

AhmedD
01-19-2011, 08:33 AM
It's a given that Rafa will win 20+ slams. It's very likely he'll win at least 6 slams in a row, with the AO being the most difficult.



The problem with Federer is he never won more than 3 slams in a row. Federer needed to win 4-6 slams in a row, because Rafa is on the way to that. Rafa's hardcourt game is improving and that leaves no holes in the year for anyone else to make an impact. And his nearest rivals will continue to be the usual suspects, with no prodigies on the way up. Murray, Djokovic, Soderling, Berdych are about all there is. Still, that's tougher competition than Roddick, so Rafa has quite a competitive era compared to the previous.

First, it's not a given until I actually see it happen, I wish Rafa the best, but unless it happens, I won't believe. The only Grandslam that Fed always fell a bit short was the French, otherwise he could have won many slams in a row, but Nadal was just too good on clay. I'm not undermining Nadal's chances to win the Australian. And since when is it a PROBLEM when you don't win 4-6 in a row, is 3 grandslams a year not good enough. I swear, you are one biased user. It's not Nadal is going to win every single Grandslam in the next coming years. Your underestimate many players, even though Rafa's hardcourt game has significantly improve, it's not going to tall big hitters like Delpo or Soderling, Delpotro is already one of Nadal's worst nightmares on hardcourt, if Delpo makes a succesful come back, expect Nadal to have some big competition. Federer is doing very well for his age, and still accomplishing what many young players only dream of accomplishing, he's still a slam contender, and he's going to be hanging in for while. The season just started, and there's still 3 more slams ahead of this one. Stop making Nadal more than what he really is.

nadal_slam_king
01-19-2011, 08:35 AM
First, it's not a given until I actually see it happen, I wish Rafa the best, but unless it happens, I won't believe. The only Grandslam that Fed always fell a bit short was the French, otherwise he could have won many slams in a row, but Nadal was just too good on clay. I'm not undermining Nadal's chances to win the Australian. And since when is it a PROBLEM when you don't win 4-6 in a row, is 3 grandslams a year not good enough. I swear, you are one biased user. It's not Nadal is going to win every single Grandslam in the next coming years. Your underestimate many players, even though Rafa's hardcourt game has significantly improve, it's not going to tall big hitters like Delpo or Soderling, Delpotro is already one of Nadal's worst nightmares on hardcourt, if Delpo makes a succesful come back, expect Nadal to have some big competition. Federer is doing very well for his age, and still accomplishing what many young players only dream of accomplishing, he's still a slam contender, and he's going to be hanging in for while. The season just started, and there's still 3 more slams ahead of this one. Stop making Nadal more than what he really is.

First man in 42 years.

dandelion_smiley
01-19-2011, 08:58 AM
First man in 42 years.

He hasn't won anything yet

TennisandMusic
01-19-2011, 09:00 AM
***, you are just out of control. I kind of question if you are even a "real" account at this point.

phnx90
01-19-2011, 09:28 AM
maybe federerbestclass has a diabolical twin?

Jchurch
01-19-2011, 11:54 AM
The truth is reality, you're watching it right now, enjoy the streak because you'll never see another player capable of this domination.

LMAO..... if he is so dominant then he will surely eclipse Federer's 237 consecutive weeks right? You said he will win 20+ slams. Nadal will clearly destroy this then right?

Please don't even bother to reply. If you do, I will be forced to use your logic. Declaring all clay court encounters between Nadal and Federer irrelevant. I might even go out on a limb and say that clay is not a surface used for tennis. It's merely one for such jesters as Nadal to win something on. You are by FAR the most bias poster on the board and take both tardism and fanboyism to new heights.

Messarger
01-19-2011, 04:44 PM
*** is attempting to take over Nadal_Freak as the pride leader of trolls.

DragonBlaze
01-19-2011, 04:48 PM
*** is attempting to take over Nadal_Freak as the pride leader of trolls.

I swear that guy wasn't that bad, or is my memory failing me?

nadal_slam_king
01-19-2011, 07:43 PM
LMAO..... if he is so dominant then he will surely eclipse Federer's 237 consecutive weeks right? You said he will win 20+ slams. Nadal will clearly destroy this then right?



It's a given that Rafa will win 20+ slams. It's very likely he'll win at least 6 slams in a row, with the AO being the most difficult.

Yes I said Rafa will win 20+ slams, so what is your question? Did you think I said Federer? I think Rafa will probably eclipse Sampras' total weeks at number one, or be very close to it. Either way, the slams are what will make Rafa the greatest.

Jchurch
01-19-2011, 07:51 PM
I meant to say both of these.

Thanks for confirming your biases.

nadal_slam_king
01-19-2011, 07:55 PM
I meant to say both of these.

Thanks for confirming your biases.

Biases? You mean the same biases where people say Rafa will retire by age 26 and that Federer is going to get the number one ranking in 2011? If 99.9% of this forum are allowed to project the future then I am too.

Fate Archer
01-19-2011, 11:26 PM
Biases? You mean the same biases where people say Rafa will retire by age 26 and that Federer is going to get the number one ranking in 2011? If 99.9% of this forum are allowed to project the future then I am too.

The thing is, what most of these people are doing is making educate guesses or conjectures backed up by at least some good evidence.

On the other hand, what you're doing is trying to extend your biased view and your personal desires too much for the outside and annoying pretty much everyone in the process. It's not even comparable some of the stuff you say and what some people are proposing. Are you even aware that you're only ridiculing yourself by saying that?

If you really think that or if you want to make Rafa something he's not, it's fine. But just keep it to yourself, really, and let me warn you: you're in to a lot of disappointments with this kind of mindset.

nadal_slam_king
01-19-2011, 11:31 PM
The thing is, what most of these people are doing is making educate guesses or conjectures backed up by at least some good evidence.

On the other hand, what you're doing is trying to extend your biased view and your personal desires too much for the outside and annoying pretty much everyone in the process. It's not even comparable some of the stuff you say and what some people are proposing. Are you even aware that you're only ridiculing yourself by saying that?

If you really think that or if you want to make Rafa something he's not, it's fine. But just keep it to yourself, really, and let me warn you: you're in to a lot of disappointments with this kind of mindset.

It's fine for me to think Rafa is about to win 5-6 straight slams? Really? Could have fooled me :lol:

It's fine that you are obsessed with my opinion; good luck with that.

Wombat_Joe
01-20-2011, 12:56 AM
In the first 3 sets, I felt as though Roger was simply practicing for later rounds.. The problem is, that his timing went off, and Simon was worthy enough to take care of that..

Sentinel
01-21-2011, 07:14 AM
Holmes: And there I was hoping for a true answer.... Oh well. :(
the "s" and "d" are juxtaposed in the qwerty keyboard, and so are "p" and "l". :D

Sentinel
01-21-2011, 07:16 AM
personally i prefer the 2010-11 Federer especially the one who won the WTF !!!

*** is attempting to take over Nadal_Freak as the pride leader of trolls.

I swear that guy wasn't that bad, or is my memory failing me?
I can't say, i had them both on ignore.

dandelion_smiley
01-21-2011, 07:46 AM
Biases? You mean the same biases where people say Rafa will retire by age 26 and that Federer is going to get the number one ranking in 2011? If 99.9% of this forum are allowed to project the future then I am too.

that's funny cause the 99,9 % you mentioned doesn't care about making predictions, youre so far the only one, making a really good use of your privileges

Markov
01-21-2011, 08:01 AM
2008. He still made the final of three grand slams and the SF of the fourth. Although the beginning and the last months of 2010 might have been better than anything I saw from him in 2008.