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goldenyama
01-29-2011, 02:09 AM
I know people here have got hold of various pro's frames, and I was wondering if anyone here has ever held one of Agassi's?

I would love to know the measurements of head size, weight, balance etc. And what I wouldn't do for one!

Arvid
01-29-2011, 07:44 AM
I know people here have got hold of various pro's frames, and I was wondering if anyone here has ever held one of Agassi's?

I would love to know the measurements of head size, weight, balance etc. And what I wouldn't do for one!

There is a stringer on this forum that has one of his frames, if you search you might find more info. Its been a radical bumblebee the black and yellow one all thru hes head paintjobs, weighs about 365 and about even balance i think from the top of my head....

adidasman
01-31-2011, 06:11 AM
I have held one of Agassi's; it was a PJ, the old Head TwinTube graphics decals covering up what I suspect was an old Donnay or Prince or something (it didn't have the throat crosspiece, so it wasn't a Prince Graphite). I don't know the details about weight or balance or any of that, but the bloody thing swung itself; it was remarkable. You started the swing, and the frame literally took off on its own and went the rest of the way around. It made me understand why guys like Bosworth get paid so much by the pros.

Pioneer
01-31-2011, 06:43 AM
High inertia/swingweight

I have held one of Agassi's; it was a PJ, the old Head TwinTube graphics decals covering up what I suspect was an old Donnay or Prince or something (it didn't have the throat crosspiece, so it wasn't a Prince Graphite). I don't know the details about weight or balance or any of that, but the bloody thing swung itself; it was remarkable. You started the swing, and the frame literally took off on its own and went the rest of the way around. It made me understand why guys like Bosworth get paid so much by the pros.

vsbabolat
01-31-2011, 06:45 AM
I have held one of Agassi's; it was a PJ, the old Head TwinTube graphics decals covering up what I suspect was an old Donnay or Prince or something (it didn't have the throat crosspiece, so it wasn't a Prince Graphite). I don't know the details about weight or balance or any of that, but the bloody thing swung itself; it was remarkable. You started the swing, and the frame literally took off on its own and went the rest of the way around. It made me understand why guys like Bosworth get paid so much by the pros.

Agassi HEAD racquets were not his old Donnay or Prince. He really did and still does use the Original Radical Tour 690 (Radical trisys 260 Oversize) n two string patterns: 20x21 and 18x19.

Here is a good thread that discusses Agassi's equipment including his experiments with the Classic Midplus in 2003 U.S. Open and the LM Instinct during the 2005 clay court season.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=281598&highlight=agassi

Oddly enough, it feels more like a blocky or square Wilson grip shape more than say the round feel of a Prince grip.

Here are some pics of the racquet:

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/ace0001a/Misc/DSCN1454.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/ace0001a/Misc/DSCN1455.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/ace0001a/Misc/DSCN1456.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/ace0001a/Misc/DSCN1457.jpg

vsbabolat
01-31-2011, 06:46 AM
enjoy........:
Hi, sorry about the delay! Below are the photos. Enjoy! :)

http://i9.tinypic.com/89ufvqg.jpg
http://i9.tinypic.com/80ky6bm.jpg
http://i8.tinypic.com/7yf7ka8.jpg

Hominator
01-31-2011, 09:00 AM
I did in November when I visited RPNY. It was lighter than I had expected. Being a big Agassi fan as a kid, that was awesome.

adidasman
01-31-2011, 10:37 AM
Agassi HEAD racquets were not his old Donnay or Prince. He really did and still does use the Original Radical Tour 690 (Radical trisys 260 Oversize) n two string patterns: 20x21 and 18x19.

Here is a good thread that discusses Agassi's equipment including his experiments with the Classic Midplus in 2003 U.S. Open and the LM Instinct during the 2005 clay court season.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=281598&highlight=agassi Yeah, you may be right about that - of course, the original Head frame he used was, as I understand it, pretty much a direct copy of his Donnay. One thing's for sure - the one I swung wasn't a TwinTube. It wasn't even painted; it was like they'd applied decals all over it.

vsbabolat
01-31-2011, 06:09 PM
Yeah, you may be right about that - of course, the original Head frame he used was, as I understand it, pretty much a direct copy of his Donnay. One thing's for sure - the one I swung wasn't a TwinTube. It wasn't even painted; it was like they'd applied decals all over it.

The Donnay Pro One Limited that Agassi used is a different mold than the his HEAD Radical Tour 690.

ace0001a
01-31-2011, 08:28 PM
Yeah, you may be right about that - of course, the original Head frame he used was, as I understand it, pretty much a direct copy of his Donnay. One thing's for sure - the one I swung wasn't a TwinTube. It wasn't even painted; it was like they'd applied decals all over it.

The Donnay Pro One Limited that Agassi used is a different mold than the his HEAD Radical Tour 690.

Yeah dude, as vsb says, the Head Radical Tour is a different mold than either the Donnay Pro One or Prince Original Graphite...it always puzzles me why people say or believe the Head Radical is a "clone" or "identical".

Agassi's Radical OS from what I can tell is the same mold as the retail version with exception that his earlier ones were a denser 20x21 string pattern. To me, Head's original Pro Tour/Radical molds from the '90s are still the standard for what a players racquet should be. It's why the Midplus Prestiges now are still using a variant of the mold...too bad they stopped using them for the Radical OS, which has changed molds many times since the last Twin Tube model made in '98.

Pioneer
02-01-2011, 11:37 AM
So does he use a leather grip or a synthetic? On the pics posted it looks like a synthetic

Ross K
02-01-2011, 12:11 PM
Yeah dude, as vsb says, the Head Radical Tour is a different mold than either the Donnay Pro One or Prince Original Graphite...it always puzzles me why people say or believe the Head Radical is a "clone" or "identical".

Agassi's Radical OS from what I can tell is the same mold as the retail version with exception that his earlier ones were a denser 20x21 string pattern. To me, Head's original Pro Tour/Radical molds from the '90s are still the standard for what a players racquet should be. It's why the Midplus Prestiges now are still using a variant of the mold...too bad they stopped using them for the Radical OS, which has changed molds many times since the last Twin Tube model made in '98.

This then applies to the YTPP then, right?...

Druchi
02-01-2011, 08:43 PM
Hi guys,
Yep ive got an Agassi frame. Very heavy racket although dont know exactly how heavy. But man the thing nearly swings itself once you get it going, unbelievable for returning serve!
The shape of the handle is custom, feels very sharp, if that makes sense. Oh yes and it is a 21 x 20 string pattern.
I've had it for a few years now, and with his new book out I was wondering what it might go for if I was to put it up for sale, anyone?

ace0001a
02-01-2011, 10:32 PM
This then applies to the YTPP then, right?...

In my eyes, I find this to be true. I've got a Pro Tour 280 MP, iPrestige MP, MGPP and YTPP and the last 3 I mentioned all look like variants of the Pro Tour MP mold. From what I've seen in pictures and many discussions here, all the MP Radicals had the same mold up until the last Twin Tube model, the Candycane from '98. After that, Head changed the Radical OS and MP molds when the Ti versions came out. They then kept or slightly modified (hence the concept of variant) the old MP PT mold for the Ti Classic, which was the Prestige of that time and then it rolled over to the iPrestige. Head changed the Prestige MP mold again with the Liquidmetal and Flexpoint versions. The destinct difference in the LM and FXP Prestige MP models is at the shoulder area where you notice they're flat with no dimples.

As we know the pro variant of the mold is the PT57 for the MP and Agassi used the OS version, but I don't know if that was ever assigned a PT designation since there probably weren't that many pros using OS Radicals in that era. My guess it would've been called a "PT59" just based on that the old Radical OS racquets have a "TK59" pressed into the hairpin, whereas the MP ones had "TK57" on their hairpins.

The Agassi racquets I come across do have leather grips wrapped with Tournagrip. The grip to me feels more oval than round, but also feels like what I would describe as boxy, but in a rectangular way...to me doesn't feel like a standard Head grip. To my understanding, his grip was and still is custom molded and is in between grip size 3 and 4.

ace0001a
02-01-2011, 10:35 PM
Hairpin pics:

Pro Tour 280 MP showing "TK57 A-2"
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/ace0001a/Misc/DSCN1635.jpg

Radical Tour TT OS Candycane showing "TK59A 13"
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/ace0001a/Misc/DSCN1636.jpg

So quite possibly if Agassi's Radical OS had a pro designation, it could've been called a PT59A.

I don't own any Radical MPs that used the same or similar mold from Ti to Microgel, but it seems like that was a good mold too. It is rumored that Djokovic is using a variant of that Radical MP mold.

vsbabolat
02-02-2011, 04:44 AM
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dado90
02-02-2011, 05:24 AM
So does he use a leather grip or a synthetic? On the pics posted it looks like a synthetic

i think that he uses leather grip

goldenyama
02-06-2011, 02:09 AM
Wow thanks for all info guys! I wonder how much an old AA frame is worth? I would love to own that i.Rad PJ frame...

The Big Kahuna
02-09-2011, 06:23 PM
I bought mine - a signed one from the first US Open he won (or so I was told) at a Charity Auction in L.A.. I think you can get one if you support any one of his causes. I had to pay $500. then to win it, but he was playing then and this is vintage 1994 a year after he signed with HEAD. Mine even still has the rubber band in the strings, has his blue Tourna Grip on it, and it is even signed on the shaft (of course, I have it framed now).

http://www.tennisonly.com.au/images/product/aa.jpg

goldenyama
02-12-2011, 09:33 AM
I bought mine - a signed one from the first US Open he won (or so I was told) at a Charity Auction in L.A.. I think you can get one if you support any one of his causes. I had to pay $500. then to win it, but he was playing then and this is vintage 1994 a year after he signed with HEAD. Mine even still has the rubber band in the strings, has his blue Tourna Grip on it, and it is even signed on the shaft (of course, I have it framed now).

http://www.tennisonly.com.au/images/product/aa.jpg

Wow that's awesome!!

I would be buying mine to play with so I'm not worried about signatures and scuffs - any idea how I might find one?

Pioneer
02-12-2011, 10:19 AM
what about the specs?

Orion
02-28-2011, 02:04 AM
I bought mine - a signed one from the first US Open he won (or so I was told) at a Charity Auction in L.A.. I think you can get one if you support any one of his causes. I had to pay $500. then to win it, but he was playing then and this is vintage 1994 a year after he signed with HEAD. Mine even still has the rubber band in the strings, has his blue Tourna Grip on it, and it is even signed on the shaft (of course, I have it framed now).

http://www.tennisonly.com.au/images/product/aa.jpg

That link is not the frame you won at the auction is it?

Just making sure because that's the re-release Head Radical OS Limited Edition that came out in 06-07 to commemorate Agassi's career. It was a nice touch to include the rubber band and the Head tournagrip. I actually still play with it from time to time. It's a nice stick, a previus posts say the Ti marked the downfall of the OS Radical frames.

Tennis Dunce
02-28-2011, 10:44 AM
^^do you think Andre tied the rubber band on...or does he have a rubber band guy?

LPShanet
03-06-2011, 11:59 PM
Yeah, you may be right about that - of course, the original Head frame he used was, as I understand it, pretty much a direct copy of his Donnay. One thing's for sure - the one I swung wasn't a TwinTube. It wasn't even painted; it was like they'd applied decals all over it.

As usual, VSBabolat is totally correct. The only thing shared between his Donnay and the Head frame was the approximate head size. Different mold, different layup, different specs overall. Not sure why folks think otherwise. After all, he hated the Donnay, and he liked the Head enough to play with it for the rest of his career (and long after, since he still uses it).