PDA

View Full Version : How To Grip Like P1?


Pocky
02-02-2011, 08:26 PM
I understand that P1 has been known for their impeccable gripping.

So how do they do it? (overgrip)

Murray is a client of P1 and has his overgrip wrapped in a way that does not make it raised. How is this done too?

PeterFig
02-02-2011, 08:30 PM
I understand that P1 has been known for their impeccable gripping.

So how do they do it? (overgrip)

Murray is a client of P1 and has his overgrip wrapped in a way that does not make it raised. How is this done too?

I don't like raised ridges on my overgrips either so what I do for my frames is:
- get the thinnest leather grip from TW (TW brand)
- wrap the leather grip so that it barely overlaps (about 1mm) - this then leaves a valley / indent in the overlap area.
- I wrap the overgrip regularly (with normal overlap) but making sure that the overlap falls right in the middle over the leather grip overlap valley.

This gives me a perfectly flat overgrip (no ridges) and also because it's thin leather grip and well wrapped overgrip, the edges of the grip pallet are quite sharp - which I like.

tennisexecutor
02-02-2011, 08:55 PM
but beware, the overgrip isn't the same width as your replacement grip then you won't be able to get smooth touch without a little magic.

Cup8489
02-02-2011, 09:09 PM
agree with the above poster. I usually use TG original or wilson pro, and so I tend to stretch my leather grips pretty taught so that the width is the same as the overgrip. I've found that the Babolat leather is probably best for this, but the wider TW grips are also very good. just a matter of taking your time and not stretching the overgrip too much. I've done really good jobs before, and i have the reputation of being very good with overgrip wrapping.

PeterFig
02-02-2011, 09:24 PM
but beware, the overgrip isn't the same width as your replacement grip then you won't be able to get smooth touch without a little magic.

I use the narrower TW leather grip and Wilson Pro Overgrip. Because I overlap of the leather grip a LOT less than I overlap the overgrip it actually works out perfectly for me. And I love the thinness of the TW leather grip - really forms to the grip pallet nicely.

beerntennis
02-03-2011, 03:44 AM
I use the narrower TW leather grip and Wilson Pro Overgrip. Because I overlap of the leather grip a LOT less than I overlap the overgrip it actually works out perfectly for me. And I love the thinness of the TW leather grip - really forms to the grip pallet nicely.

Which TW width is a standard grip size...the 22mm wide grip or the 25mm wide grip? I too use the wilson overgrip, and would like to try this set up for better feel. Just curious on which width on the overgrip would compare to a standard width.

li0scc0
02-03-2011, 04:39 AM
Step 1: Put on replacement grip
Step 2: Put on overgrip
Step 3: Charge $100 for a $10 job

BukShy
02-03-2011, 06:41 AM
murrays grip is the tourna sapmpras blue grip, right?

I think that an anti-soft grip. It svx

0d1n
02-03-2011, 07:36 AM
I don't like raised ridges on my overgrips either so what I do for my frames is:
- get the thinnest leather grip from TW (TW brand)
- wrap the leather grip so that it barely overlaps (about 1mm) - this then leaves a valley / indent in the overlap area.
- I wrap the overgrip regularly (with normal overlap) but making sure that the overlap falls right in the middle over the leather grip overlap valley.

This gives me a perfectly flat overgrip (no ridges) and also because it's thin leather grip and well wrapped overgrip, the edges of the grip pallet are quite sharp - which I like.

I do something similar but I use Babolat Leather on (2 of) my Volkls. On one of them I have Volkl Leather and I can never get that one to feel quite right...even though I prefer the Volkl leather...it's better quality. It IS "recycled" though...and too short to seriously "manipulate" if I want to cover the whole handle...so I just "deal with it".
I also currently use Yonex Supergrap (similar to Wilson Pro).

PeterFig
02-03-2011, 07:55 AM
Which TW width is a standard grip size...the 22mm wide grip or the 25mm wide grip? I too use the wilson overgrip, and would like to try this set up for better feel. Just curious on which width on the overgrip would compare to a standard width.

I use this one:
22mm x 1300mm x 1.3mm - 28 grams

And in addition I cut into the starting tapered part a bit more so it tapers down to a finer point. This way I can get less overlap when starting the grip at the butt end. I know some people prefer that the butt cap is fairly large but I like it when it's actually quite flat (kinda like Yonex does out of the box)

Edit: one other thing I do is use black electrical tape to finish the end of the grip / overgrip instead of the little tape that's provided with the grip. I find that it's a bit more elastic and forgiving so you can stretch it a bit to nicely finish the ending.

Pioneer
02-03-2011, 09:12 AM
I've been following P1's wrapping technique for a while now and wrap/finish all my grips the way they do it. In my case leather + overgrip they don't overlap the leather at all and start from very low on the buttcap, even a bit lower than the end of the racquet. Then they go around the buttcap nicely and finish at the end of the grip. For the overgrip they don't go around the buttcap a lot, they just do it once then go straight down with the appropriate overlap, consistent strech, and get all the way to the throat of the racquet (helps on the two handed backhand) and finish the grip with black finishing tape, the same way you would do a replacement grip. Voila

stangaele
02-03-2011, 10:04 AM
I think the question is how they put on Roger Federer's finishing tape ...

i want to know this too...it seems a perfect finishing tape...unbelivable

Cup8489
02-03-2011, 10:21 AM
i want to know this too...it seems a perfect finishing tape...unbelivable

they just make sure they cut it cleanly and take their time.. I can do mine like that if i'm using 1/2" wide electrical tape, my grips look just as pristince as theirs. too bad i dont care enough on my own racquets. lol. but if someone asks me to do a grip job, i take good care to do it very well.

JoelDali
02-03-2011, 10:23 AM
The flush finishing tape wrap procedure has enabled sweet n' sexi Rogi to win so many grand slams.

Master best class finishing tape job.

Ron Yu is a human paint job. Master best class.

Carolina Racquet
02-03-2011, 02:51 PM
I understand that P1 has been known for their impeccable gripping.

So how do they do it? (overgrip)

Murray is a client of P1 and has his overgrip wrapped in a way that does not make it raised. How is this done too?

Re: the overgripping technique, I apply mine so that MOST of the grip isn't raised. Impossible to avoid a rise near the butt cap.

All you do is wrap so that the angle of the wrap is less severe as you move 2-3" from the butt, then you start wrapping "edge to edge" to there is no overlap. Even as I wrap, I push the overgrip toward the lower edge to less any gap.

When completed, the grip feels very much like a synthetic grip and I also find that eliminating the raised edges help me avoid blisters in the heat. Smoother grip means less aggrevation on the skin IMO.

Carolina Racquet
02-03-2011, 02:53 PM
Which TW width is a standard grip size...the 22mm wide grip or the 25mm wide grip? I too use the wilson overgrip, and would like to try this set up for better feel. Just curious on which width on the overgrip would compare to a standard width.

I believe the 22mm width is more standard.

PeterFig
02-03-2011, 03:02 PM
I believe the 22mm width is more standard.

Yes, you are correct. :)

Pioneer
02-04-2011, 09:07 AM
Wow are you kidding? Seriously, they do every single grip on thousands of rackets the same. Absolutely the same. They start on the same bevel EVERY TIME. They do the same overlap EVERY TIME. They make sure the weight of all grips is the same. They use the same finishing tape every time, they use the same length of it every time. They do the same stretch every time, so that 1000 rackets will all feel absolutely identical when you hold them. As if you haven't changed rackets.

Step 1: Put on replacement grip
Step 2: Put on overgrip
Step 3: Charge $100 for a $10 job

beerntennis
02-05-2011, 04:24 AM
I don't like raised ridges on my overgrips either so what I do for my frames is:
- get the thinnest leather grip from TW (TW brand)
- wrap the leather grip so that it barely overlaps (about 1mm) - this then leaves a valley / indent in the overlap area.
- I wrap the overgrip regularly (with normal overlap) but making sure that the overlap falls right in the middle over the leather grip overlap valley.

This gives me a perfectly flat overgrip (no ridges) and also because it's thin leather grip and well wrapped overgrip, the edges of the grip pallet are quite sharp - which I like.

Extremely difficult to do. :)
I attempted this yesterday and ended up with the reverse effect on my handle. Instead of overlaps, I had valleys. Horrible feel. I tried numerous times to match the valleys of the leather with the overlap of the overgrip, and could never get the entire handle to match. I ended up regripping the leather flat without valleys, and placed the overgrip strectching thin.

Since I live in Tampa, I may just go knock on P1's door to get it done :)

jmverdugo
02-05-2011, 04:32 AM
Just take your time, also strong hands do help a lot. It is also good to have a good eye for symmetry and lenghts. For the replacement leather grip I use Babolat's which already comes with an edge less thick to allow the overlapping without problems, if you manage to put the overgrip to match the leather grip you should be fine.

Pwned
02-05-2011, 05:47 AM
Extremely difficult to do. :)
I attempted this yesterday and ended up with the reverse effect on my handle. Instead of overlaps, I had valleys. Horrible feel. I tried numerous times to match the valleys of the leather with the overlap of the overgrip, and could never get the entire handle to match. I ended up regripping the leather flat without valleys, and placed the overgrip strectching thin.

Since I live in Tampa, I may just go knock on P1's door to get it done :)

It's easy to get a flat grip. Wrap your leather grip flat with no ridges or valleys. Start your overgrip and on the first 1-2 goes around overlap it a bit so they don't fold over during play. Then just nudge the rest of them up to each other so there is no overlap or gap. It's very easy to do. I just started doing it. The first 1-2 overlaps you cannot feel but are necessary, for me, to prevent the grip from folding up.

xRain
02-05-2011, 10:46 PM
The flush finishing tape wrap procedure has enabled sweet n' sexi Rogi to win so many grand slams.

Master best class finishing tape job.

Ron Yu is a human paint job. Master best class.

ron is true class . love ron.

JoelDali
02-06-2011, 09:12 AM
ron is true class . love ron.

P1 Sexy string master technicians wrought from the fingertips of God.

Rogi would be nothing without P1 best class Frush™ and Smooth™ over gripping technique.

Roman reaching for master best class but not there yet P1 is GSOAT/GOGOAT/GMSRTOAT. Pure Class.

Pioneer
02-07-2011, 11:44 AM
Roman is great.
Ron is the best.
Love Roman.
Love Ron.
Master best class classic greatest overgrip wrapper of all time. Let's go Ron!

Seth
02-07-2011, 06:49 PM
P1 Sexy string master technicians wrought from the fingertips of God.

Rogi would be nothing without P1 best class Frush™ and Smooth™ over gripping technique.

Roman reaching for master best class but not there yet P1 is GSOAT/GOGOAT/GMSRTOAT. Pure Class.

Hey Joel,

Did you make up that "master class best class" stuff? Cracks me up. I didn't know if there was another source.

Sorry for derailing this thread (albeit, temporarily).

Ronaldo
02-07-2011, 07:14 PM
Best IMHO starts with a vintage Fairway grip. Found a black grip on a Ultra FPK, tan on a Max 200G. Ditch those old sticks and get the easiest leather grip to wrap.

JoelDali
02-07-2011, 08:21 PM
Hey Joel,

Did you make up that "master class best class" stuff? Cracks me up. I didn't know if there was another source.

Sorry for derailing this thread (albeit, temporarily).

Nah, I perpetuated the Rogi master best class myth and rolled into my own Joycian style of free flowing Rogi poetry master class stoic and fair breasted Mirka watches as Ron wraps Rogi's Pacific X Tac PJ grips into an immortal foamy weapon of war and sexual symmetry love over grips love the way they protect the delicate hands of Rogi master best class love Roger always but particularly loving him alot tonight feeling sensual feeling somewhat groovy feeling the love of Ron and Roman equally tonight actually love a good stringjob master class pure love for Roger.

li0scc0
02-08-2011, 06:56 AM
Nah, I perpetuated the Rogi master best class myth and rolled into my own Joycian style of free flowing Rogi poetry master class stoic and fair breasted Mirka watches as Ron wraps Rogi's Pacific X Tac PJ grips into an immortal foamy weapon of war and sexual symmetry love over grips love the way they protect the delicate hands of Rogi master best class love Roger always but particularly loving him alot tonight feeling sensual feeling somewhat groovy feeling the love of Ron and Roman equally tonight actually love a good stringjob master class pure love for Roger.

Finnegan's Wake on the TT forums!!!

li0scc0
02-08-2011, 06:59 AM
Wow are you kidding? Seriously, they do every single grip on thousands of rackets the same. Absolutely the same. They start on the same bevel EVERY TIME. They do the same overlap EVERY TIME. They make sure the weight of all grips is the same. They use the same finishing tape every time, they use the same length of it every time. They do the same stretch every time, so that 1000 rackets will all feel absolutely identical when you hold them. As if you haven't changed rackets.

:) Of course I was kidding. My point was, to most of us, a $100 grip job would feel no different than a $10 grip job. I can modify a 4 5/8" racquet to feel exactly like a 4 3/8" ...in my very average hands. In the hands of a pro, they would notice the difference. Thus, in my very average hands, if I grip a racquet half-way decent ($10 grip job), it would be indistinguishable from a $100 job.

niktub
07-05-2013, 05:47 AM
If overgrips have 2,4 or 2,5cm width, which replacement grip(with or without overlap) will allow to get a flat set-up.
Just curious to try it...

struggle
07-05-2013, 06:24 AM
Wow are you kidding? Seriously, they do every single grip on thousands of rackets the same. Absolutely the same. They start on the same bevel EVERY TIME. They do the same overlap EVERY TIME. They make sure the weight of all grips is the same. They use the same finishing tape every time, they use the same length of it every time. They do the same stretch every time, so that 1000 rackets will all feel absolutely identical when you hold them. As if you haven't changed rackets.

mine feel like that too, except I like the ridges. but i can't tell one from the next.

free.

ChicagoJack
07-08-2013, 12:02 AM
Yes, Nate does wrap grips and overgrips pretty well, that's not where he has earned his rep. What separates P1 from the rest of the pack, is that Nate asks his clients to supply him with the favorite racquet that feels just right. He then creates a custom mold of the pallet, so that he can spin off an exact replica to all of the other frames in the bag. If the hero grip has some odd asymmetrical quality to it, then the replicas will too. He then recreates that entire grip, layer by layer.

His clients are amazingly sensitive to the slightest change in feel. Sampras could feel a change in the the diameter of his grip due to leather compression over time, and could detect changes measuring width of a human hair. Soderling had similar sensitivity, and the solve for Robin was to create a custom mold that emulates the bevels of a leather grip, a flared buttcap and room for his pinky finger where it dangles off the buttcap.

Then there are the special requests... a nearly round grip for doubles specialist Leander Paes, a monster sized 5 and 3/16" grip for monster sized Ivo Karlovic. He can create just about any shape or size you ask him to, and can create it the same way, the same size, every time.

Link : Nate Ferguson of Priority 1, Discussion on Racquet Gripping and Stringing (http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/priority1.html)

Link : Handle With Care: ATP tour players' sticks get the kid-glove treatment, Tennis Magazine (http://www.tennis.com/shop/2010/03/handle-with-care-atp-tour-players-sticks-get-the-kid-glove-treatment/21452/#.UdplrlNvmkt)

Link : Robin Soderling's Custom Pallet (http://www.hdtennis.com/grs/pro_racquet_specs/200903soderling_head.html)

-Jack

SFrazeur
07-08-2013, 12:07 AM
This is what I do to my grips as well. hate the overlap feel.
Here is a thread that shows plenty of Murray racquet/grip pictures:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=275601&page=2

niktub
07-08-2013, 09:34 AM
what's the method and match(grip/overgrip widths)?

I Heart Thomas Muster
07-08-2013, 10:30 AM
what's the method and match(grip/overgrip widths)?

It's been a lot of trial and error for me. I've found that Babolat leather grips work best with Tourna XL (dry or tacky) since it's a touch wider than other overgrips it will lay down perfectly inside the "valleys" created by the leather grip. Funny enough Babolat overgrips barely work as long as you don't pull too tight. Something like a Yonex overgrip won't work with Babolat because it's too narrow but will work on Gamma and Wilson leather grips which are not as wide as the Babolat grips.

Velvet Ga el
07-08-2013, 10:41 AM
Say I wanted to take a Head Liquidmetal Radical and change the pallet from the old rectangular shape to the more rounded one of the Head Speed line. What would Priority One (or others) charge to do that?

I've tried to purchase the pallet myself, but have had no luck finding it online for under $60. And at that rate, I'd rather pay someone to put it on for me correctly rather than butchering it myself.

niktub
07-08-2013, 10:52 AM
what's the method and match(grip/overgrip widths)?

any good match would be appreciated, thanks!!
also, where do you start with the sticky part of the overgrip.
I feels like you should start gripping higher on the handle to find out where to really start on the lower part.