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bfactor61
02-04-2011, 07:19 AM
Are there any high level players that play with a full syn or multi? When i say high level, i mean 4.0 and above or a college player.

Jonny S&V
02-04-2011, 07:22 AM
Are there any high level players that play with a full syn or multi? When i say high level, i mean 4.0 and above or a college player.

Plenty of 4.0-5.0s in adult leagues. A couple of the guys on my college team string full syn gut (makes my life as a stringer a lot tougher than it needs to be IMO... :neutral: ).

bfactor61
02-04-2011, 07:24 AM
i recently hit with a college team and i noticed that a good amount of kids were using a full syn. do many jrs that are 4.0+ play with a syn?

Jonny S&V
02-04-2011, 07:26 AM
i recently hit with a college team and i noticed that a good amount of kids were using a full syn. do many jrs that are 4.0+ play with a syn?

Juniors don't have NTRP ratings, nor should they. In my area, they are a rarity these days, most use a hybrid, the more serious ones tend to do a full poly job.

bfactor61
02-04-2011, 07:29 AM
oh i didnt know that jrs dont have ntrp ranks. I have tried many hybrid and hybriding does work for me. I like the same string in a full bed. i was wondering why the high level college players i saw were playing with a full syn. they can get any string they want for free

JT_2eighty
02-04-2011, 07:40 AM
Jurgen Melzer used Isospeed nylon in the 70 lb range at RG '09, lost in 3rd round.

But yea, a lot of 4.5 guys in my league use syn gut, because it's what they've been using for decades. They don't pour over their gear like us on tt, they are typically the ones still with their trusted eastern or continental strokes.

mikeler
02-04-2011, 08:39 AM
Jurgen Melzer used Isospeed nylon in the 70 lb range at RG '09, lost in 3rd round.

But yea, a lot of 4.5 guys in my league use syn gut, because it's what they've been using for decades. They don't pour over their gear like us on tt, they are typically the ones still with their trusted eastern or continental strokes.


What? They don't get obsessive about 1 pound of tension loss or an extra gram of weight on the hoop? Who are these people? :)

Say Chi Sin Lo
02-04-2011, 08:43 AM
Plenty of 4.0-5.0s in adult leagues. A couple of the guys on my college team string full syn gut (makes my life as a stringer a lot tougher than it needs to be IMO... :neutral: ).

:confused: What's easier to string than a full bed of syn gut? :confused:

I used to play exclusively with PSGS... I really miss that string...

mikeler
02-04-2011, 09:06 AM
:confused: What's easier to string than a full bed of syn gut? :confused:

I used to play exclusively with PSGS... I really miss that string...


Some multifilaments are easier to string than monofilament synthetic guts.

Jonny S&V
02-04-2011, 09:34 AM
:confused: What's easier to string than a full bed of syn gut? :confused:

I used to play exclusively with PSGS... I really miss that string...

It lasts a lot longer, making my life easier. The difference for full syn gut and a hybrid for me is the difference between a 15 min string job and an 18 min string job. In other words, the less total times I string a racquet, the more time overall I save, lol.

Say Chi Sin Lo
02-04-2011, 10:05 AM
Oh you mean you don't have to string as often? Then yes...

Jonny S&V
02-04-2011, 10:09 AM
Oh you mean you don't have to string as often? Then yes...

Exactly. Stringing is stringing to me (unless it's full Lux, which is where I begin to cry).

Rabbit
02-04-2011, 10:10 AM
What? They don't get obsessive about 1 pound of tension loss or an extra gram of weight on the hoop? Who are these people? :)

Usually the guys who win... :)

Larrysümmers
02-04-2011, 10:13 AM
Exactly. Stringing is stringing to me (unless it's full Lux, which is where I begin to cry).

lol. i have only done that one...alu rough..not a fan.

anyways. most people here use full synthetic gut. including both of my coaches and a college coach/ former teaching pro who moved here.

mikeler
02-04-2011, 10:27 AM
Exactly. Stringing is stringing to me (unless it's full Lux, which is where I begin to cry).

I've only done full Lux once. Never again...


Usually the guys who win... :)

Good one.

Jonny S&V
02-04-2011, 10:32 AM
I've only done full Lux once. Never again...

One of the guys on my team has full ALU Rough at 61 lbs. Thankfully, he doesn't really notice when it goes dead, so he waits 'til it breaks. But when it does break, I'm not in a good mood...

Say Chi Sin Lo
02-04-2011, 10:36 AM
Exactly. Stringing is stringing to me (unless it's full Lux, which is where I begin to cry).

I'll tell you a multi that'll make you cry... full RIP Control. S*** is like barbed wire.

t0nym4c
02-04-2011, 10:54 AM
:confused: What's easier to string than a full bed of syn gut? :confused:

I used to play exclusively with PSGS... I really miss that string...


hmm i like stringing multis

mikeler
02-04-2011, 11:02 AM
I'll tell you a multi that'll make you cry... full RIP Control. S*** is like barbed wire.


Agreed. That is the hardest multi to string up. It still was nowhere near as bad as Lux BBO.

Ronaldo
02-04-2011, 11:07 AM
Agreed. That is the hardest multi to string up. It still was nowhere near as bad as Lux BBO.

Like stringing a coat hanger. Need ten thimbles

mikeler
02-04-2011, 11:10 AM
Like stringing a coat hanger. Need ten thimbles


Haha. Well put.

Ronaldo
02-04-2011, 11:20 AM
Haha. Well put.

Ty, dread NG/Alu hybrid. Crossing butter and barbed wire. Btw, strung a 4.5/5.0 player's racquet who did not care about the string, just that it was taut, 64-65# in a 95" head.

Power Player
02-04-2011, 11:26 AM
full syn gut is great. You can have 2 racquets and get away with it. My main stick gets the full poly treatment, and my backup gets the Wilson Stamina. Makes it a lot easier because I just restring the poly racquet every few weeks and use the Syn Gut racuqet as a backup.

bad_call
02-04-2011, 11:49 AM
Agreed. That is the hardest multi to string up. It still was nowhere near as bad as Lux BBO.

don't recall either being that hard to string. recall TF E-Matrix being a pain since it feels fragile and can easily kink.

mikeler
02-04-2011, 11:50 AM
don't recall either being that hard to string. recall TF E-Matrix being a pain since it feels fragile and can easily kink.


BBO was kink city.

Ronaldo
02-04-2011, 11:56 AM
don't recall either being that hard to string. recall TF E-Matrix being a pain since it feels fragile and can easily kink.

E-Matrix took longer to string than it lasted.

bad_call
02-04-2011, 11:57 AM
E-Matrix took longer to string than it lasted.

yeah...haha. strung it for another player.

Up&comer
02-19-2011, 03:23 AM
The worst was when I tried mantis comfort syn mains and alu rough crosses. I broke it twice on the stringer before I gave up.

fruitytennis1
02-19-2011, 06:07 AM
Exactly. Stringing is stringing to me (unless it's full Lux, which is where I begin to cry).

Took me like 40 minutes to string this garbage up

parasailing
02-19-2011, 09:24 AM
The first and last time I string Luxilon Alu Power. I hate the pain and additional time it takes to weave the crosses on this string, so stiff and not good for you hands. I don't mind stringing up co poly which are a bit softer.

I think most people just play with whatever is cheapest. To them, a string is a just a string. To us, strings are fun to experiement with and any slight improvement is considered wonderful :).

scotus
02-19-2011, 09:49 AM
Jim Courier.

He is at least 4.0, don't you think?

Larrysümmers
02-19-2011, 10:02 AM
Jim Courier.

He is at least 4.0, don't you think?

jim who? sounds like your run-of the-mill 3.0 pusher :twisted: :~D

NLBwell
02-21-2011, 10:24 PM
Jim Courier.

He is at least 4.0, don't you think?

Oh, but he's retired and played with a small-headed racket, so nowadays most all 4.0's would beat him.

COPEY
02-22-2011, 12:07 AM
Oh, but he's retired and played with a small-headed racket, so nowadays most all 4.0's would beat him.

Uh huh.

Jim Courier currently uses a hybrid. I'm not sure what strings he uses specifically, but in a post-match interview (played Borg - Champions Tour) he commented on his strings and how he's made the move to using a more contemporary setup with polys in the main and a synthetic in the cross.

NLBwell
02-22-2011, 09:45 AM
Uh huh.

Jim Courier currently uses a hybrid. I'm not sure what strings he uses specifically, but in a post-match interview (played Borg - Champions Tour) he commented on his strings and how he's made the move to using a more contemporary setup with polys in the main and a synthetic in the cross.

So that means now he can beat 4.0's!!!!!!

THESEXPISTOL
02-22-2011, 12:18 PM
Uh huh.

Jim Courier currently uses a hybrid. I'm not sure what strings he uses specifically, but in a post-match interview (played Borg - Champions Tour) he commented on his strings and how he's made the move to using a more contemporary setup with polys in the main and a synthetic in the cross.

Wrong! He uses Synthetic mains (Gosen JC) and Luxilon ALu crosses.

For what is worth i use full Mantis Comfort Synthetic and i've never been so happy.

COPEY
02-22-2011, 05:33 PM
I stand corrected, then. I knew he no longer used a full bed of synthetic, however, I was obviously incorrect in the arrangement of his hybrid.

As for Mantis Comfort Synthetic, I love it as well, and often use it as a cross in my setup.

J_aces
02-22-2011, 08:22 PM
Why would Jim Courier be playing with a string from Gosen? Wouldnt he be sponsored by some big name company?

bfactor61
03-03-2011, 02:35 PM
to get back to the original topic. If anyone has seen the tennis documentary a lot of the players were using a full syn

Ronaldo
03-03-2011, 04:29 PM
to get back to the original topic. If anyone has seen the tennis documentary a lot of the players were using a full syn

Was that like 20 yrs ago?

bfactor61
03-04-2011, 03:31 AM
2005

10char

0d1n
03-04-2011, 04:40 AM
Why would Jim Courier be playing with a string from Gosen? Wouldnt he be sponsored by some big name company?

Big name company....like Wilson ??
Gosen as far as I'm aware at least make their own strings (unlike Wilson).

P.S. The highest ranked male players (I know of) that played full synthetic at least at some point were indeed Jim Courier and Novak Djokovic.
Both are now into poly hybrids...with poly in the crosses.

JediMindTrick
03-04-2011, 01:42 PM
Simon plays some multi hybrid Intellistring, I think. Djokovic used to play full X-One.

bfactor61
03-04-2011, 02:10 PM
thats true. for both djoker and simon

Pwned
03-04-2011, 02:24 PM
Malisse uses Babolat Fibertour apparently.

PBODY99
03-04-2011, 03:35 PM
Head Perfect Control, all the trouble of RIP Control with a softer outer coating. A pair of m 5.0 players use this in 18x20 95 inch heads, no joy whatsoever.

drakulie
03-04-2011, 04:51 PM
Peya uses a full bed of iso speed.

Lipsky uses alu power in mains, and nxt tour 16 in crosses.

SFrazeur
03-04-2011, 05:34 PM
Exactly. Stringing is stringing to me (unless it's full Lux, which is where I begin to cry).

To me it depends on the racquet. Lux and other polys are easy in open pattern 100" racquets. The worst I have had to string was Pro Hurricane in Prestiges with cap grommets. Three of those in a row. If another came in I would have thrown a fit.

-SF

drakulie
03-04-2011, 06:04 PM
Agreed. That is the hardest multi to string up. It still was nowhere near as bad as Lux BBO.

actually, BBO is not that bad. It slides fairly easily making it easy to weave. Babolat Revenge is horrible, because it sticks. Also, Poly Star Energy is a mother to string because it is very slippery, especially in a 18X20 pattern. Try those two in a box pattern, and you will be cursing life. :evil:

Ronaldo
03-04-2011, 06:22 PM
actually, BBO is not that bad. It slides fairly easily making it easy to weave. Babolat Revenge is horrible, because it sticks. Also, Poly Star Energy is a mother to string because it is very slippery, especially in a 18X20 pattern. Try those two in a box pattern, and you will be cursing life. :evil:

Not to sound like a wimp but ever use gloves or something on your fingertips when weaving? Alu Rough tends to slip when I weave. Polystar still have that coating?

drakulie
03-04-2011, 06:32 PM
^^LOL. No, no gloves. When you string a lot, you get use to it.

I strung four of Witten's frames last week in a box pattern at the Delray ATP. 18 x 20, at 67 lbs with alu rough. Finshed all four in less than an hour.

The player I hated stringing for the most was Kunitsyn. Full bed of Poly Star Energy in an 18 x 20. I was so hoping he would lose so I wouldn't have to string his frames anymore :) (when stringing at a tournament you get assigned specific players and string for them throughout).

I was also assigned Igor Andreev (lux bbo) and he requested two piece which made his frames a breeze.

Ronaldo
03-04-2011, 06:41 PM
^^LOL. No, no gloves. When you string a lot, you get use to it.

I strung four of Witten's frames last week in a box pattern at the Delray ATP. 18 x 20, at 67 lbs with alu rough. Finshed all four in less than an hour.

The player I hated stringing for the most was Kunitsyn. Full bed of Poly Star Energy in an 18 x 20. I was so hoping he would lose so I wouldn't have to string his frames anymore :) (when stringing at a tournament you get assigned specific players and string for them throughout).

I was also assigned Igor Andreev (lux bbo) and he requested two piece which made his frames a breeze.

Only string one or two frames/week. Nearly all two-piece. Witten must have elbows of steel.

Jonny S&V
03-05-2011, 06:33 PM
I strung four of Witten's frames last week in a box pattern at the Delray ATP. 18 x 20, at 67 lbs with alu rough. Finshed all four in less than an hour.

Are you misquoting the time? Were you going all out?

I'm sorry, I know you are an accomplished stringer, but even many of the pro-stringers that I've seen (and myself included) can do racquets perfectly in 15 min or less and that 15 min doesn't include the poly-bags, stenciling, etc... Given the pattern, the string and tension, I don't think you're being entirely truthful here.

drakulie
03-05-2011, 07:37 PM
Are you misquoting the time?

No. I believe it was about an hour and pretty sure it was less.

Were you going all out?

No.

I'm sorry, I know you are an accomplished stringer, but even many of the pro-stringers that I've seen (and myself included) can do racquets perfectly in 15 min or less and that 15 min doesn't include the poly-bags, stenciling, etc... Given the pattern, the string and tension, I don't think you're being entirely truthful here.

Whatever makes you happy. Fact is, given the guys I was stringing with, and witnessed first hand, my pace was actually slow, as these guys were turning frames around in about 12-13 minutes, and about ten minutes when they were sent a frame from a match still going on. And yes, frames were being strung extremely well. If not, they would have been sent back to re-string. Oh, and I wasn't stenciling his frame,,,,only bagging it, although I did stencil other players frames (Tipsarivec, Andreev, Dodig, Potro,etc). Serra was another one who didn't want his frames stenciled.

One thing you need to keep in mind is that one of the stringers girlfriend was cutting out strings for us, so we didn't have to deal with waisting time on that.

Jonny S&V
03-05-2011, 08:37 PM
Oh, and I wasn't stenciling his frame, only bagging it, although I did stencil other players frames (Tipsarivec, Andreev, Dodig, Potro,etc).

One thing you need to keep in mind is that one of the stringers girlfriend was cutting out strings for us, so we didn't have to deal with waisting time on that.

There we go, I can believe it a little more now.

BigT
03-05-2011, 08:46 PM
One of my hitting partners is a solid 5.5. He uses full OG Micro. He's not that serious about tennis though, and only plays about once a week.