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datsveryinterestin
02-07-2011, 08:28 PM
just curious which pro player might have a blatant paint job with
far different specs in weight/flex/headsize/etc from the actual racquet they use..

like if a player was using a 12+oz Pure Control but given an 11oz Pure Storm paintjob, etc.

or 12oz PT280 but given 11oz Radical MP paintjob.

or using big bubba but have wilson k88 paint????:confused:

is there a "worst offender" in this paint job ruse?

Recon
02-07-2011, 08:47 PM
Djokovic's racquet. He has his own mold.

Bobby Jr
02-07-2011, 08:52 PM
Stefan Edberg's PS85 with the PS 6.1 Classic paint job springs to mind.

It had a different head size, shape, string pattern as well as a different frame cross-section, balance and weight.

(photos about half way down this (http://thetenniswiki.com/Wilson+Pro+Staff+6.0+Original+Mid+85) page)

datsveryinterestin
02-07-2011, 09:15 PM
that is a cool homage to the PS6.0

i should have mentioned, i was interested in current players...

SFrazeur
02-07-2011, 09:21 PM
Nadal's racquet is really a Prince Vortex.

-SF

John_Doe
02-07-2011, 09:38 PM
How about Marat Safin using his Head Prestige Classic 600 with Dunlop paintjobs?

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=312421

jura
02-08-2011, 12:01 AM
Tommy Robredo's actual pj of a Dunlop Bio 600! :lol:

ericsson
02-08-2011, 12:03 AM
Federer PS 85 --- Wilson HPS 95
Murray PT57 --- Head Radical
Kuerten PT 630 --- Head Radical Ti
Dent C10 pro --- Volkl Tour 8

junk
02-08-2011, 12:33 AM
What about Head producing Ti.Radical OS with a 18x19 string pattern but using Andre Agassi to advertise the racquet with a 20x21 string pattern.

check the picture in TW's review of Ti.Radical http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Reviews/TIRAD/TIRADReview.html

vsbabolat
02-08-2011, 03:17 AM
Djokovic's racquet. He has his own mold.

Nah it's just a Radical MP Mold.

Cooper_Tecnifibre4
02-08-2011, 04:02 AM
Federer's racquet is a warped wooden frying pan carved from one of the trees in Gilligan's Island.

Pretty good PJ IMO

Rabbit
02-08-2011, 04:19 AM
Pat Rafter's Dunlop 500 which is actually his old Prince DB something or other complete with the plastic bridge...

Not a bad effort for Dunlop especially considering Rafter plays senior events to the tune of two a year? :)

li0scc0
02-08-2011, 06:38 AM
Robredo is NOT using a 10.4 ounce racquet with a 300 swingweight and 71 flex rating :) (Dunlop 600)

Rock Strongo
02-08-2011, 06:55 AM
There's Cibulkova with her Superlite Dunlop and then there's Wickmayer with an AG500 painted as a Donnay. What racquet is DoCi using under that paint and what Donnay is Wicky endorsing?

The classic one would still be Safin's "Dunlop". Weird that Dunlop is the worst offender of this paintjobbery.

Rusty669
02-08-2011, 07:32 AM
Justine Henin used to supposedly wield the Wilson BLX Tour,although it was quite clear that she didn't as her actual playing racquet had Wilson's old powerholes system....

li0scc0
02-08-2011, 07:44 AM
Justine Henin used to supposedly wield the Wilson BLX Tour,although it was quite clear that she didn't as her actual playing racquet had Wilson's old powerholes system....

Her actual racquet looked a lot bigger than 95 square inches too.

0d1n
02-08-2011, 07:51 AM
Her actual racquet looked a lot bigger than 95 square inches too.
Yeah...right. That's because of her physical proportions (i.e she's SMALL).
Put the same racquet in Berdych's hands and it will look like a midsized toothpick.

Currently, I'm with Rafter's prince ---> Dunlop and Robredo's paintjob as being just about as far away as possible from the actual thing underneath the paint.

vsbabolat
02-08-2011, 07:52 AM
Justine Henin used to supposedly wield the Wilson BLX Tour,although it was quite clear that she didn't as her actual playing racquet had Wilson's old powerholes system....

Yes and they brought back the mold to the consumer with the BLX Tour Limited

li0scc0
02-08-2011, 07:57 AM
Yeah...right. That's because of her physical proportions (i.e she's SMALL).
Put the same racquet in Berdych's hands and it will look like a midsized toothpick.

:) You may be right :)

TheOneHander
02-08-2011, 01:25 PM
The first one that comes to mind is Baggy's Fischer under the Tecnifibre PJ. If you look, you can still see the old Fischer head guard.

flashfire276
02-08-2011, 01:41 PM
Djokovic when he was endorsing the K Blade 98, and it was a Radical MP mold (LM without ridges I think?).

li0scc0
02-08-2011, 01:47 PM
The first one that comes to mind is Baggy's Fischer under the Tecnifibre PJ. If you look, you can still see the old Fischer head guard.

And the Fischer throat stands out, as well.

bluetrain4
02-08-2011, 01:53 PM
Yeah...right. That's because of her physical proportions (i.e she's SMALL).
Put the same racquet in Berdych's hands and it will look like a midsized toothpick.

Currently, I'm with Rafter's prince ---> Dunlop and Robredo's paintjob as being just about as far away as possible from the actual thing underneath the paint.

Also, I'm convinced that racquets look considerably bigger on television and often times even in pictures.

markie-marc
02-09-2011, 09:03 AM
I indeed saw this racket today upclose being Strung in Rotterdam.. and it was next to the technifibre shop.. it didn't look like anything..Indeed it is still a fisher..!

Pioneer
02-09-2011, 11:31 AM
LM without the ridges sounds like Flexpoint without the flexpoints. And the K Blade 98 and any Radical mold aren't that different really


Djokovic when he was endorsing the K Blade 98, and it was a Radical MP mold (LM without ridges I think?).

kiteboard
02-09-2011, 12:14 PM
http://i56.tinypic.com/242x0uu.jpg fake h22 dent

Timbo's hopeless slice
02-09-2011, 04:26 PM
I dunno about Djoker's being a Radical, it has an awfully thin beam!

get it in
02-09-2011, 04:51 PM
I think Ivan Ljubicic has his own mold as well. It's painted to look like the Extreme.

vsbabolat
02-10-2011, 07:20 AM
I think Ivan Ljubicic has his own mold as well. It's painted to look like the Extreme.

No, It's a Extreme Mold with his on materials construction known as layup.

vsbabolat
02-10-2011, 07:21 AM
I dunno about Djoker's being a Radical, it has an awfully thin beam!

It is a Radical MP MOLD.

ryushen21
02-10-2011, 07:32 AM
I still think the Safin/Dunlop fiasco takes the prize.

get it in
02-10-2011, 09:28 AM
VS- thanks for the correction. So Ljubicic's racquet has the same shape as the Extreme, but the inside setup in terms of materials and construction are different? That makes it pretty different from the paintjob to me. Same shape, different materials. Kind of like putting a Ford engine in a Chevy body.


It is a Radical MP MOLD.

tandayu
02-10-2011, 09:31 AM
VS- thanks for the correction. So Ljubicic's racquet has the same shape as the Extreme, but the inside setup in terms of materials and construction are different? That makes it pretty different from the paintjob to me. Same shape, different materials. Kind of like putting a Ford engine in a Chevy body.

It is like comparing race cars with street car.

Nascar race cars, dtm cars looks like street car from outside.

vsbabolat
02-10-2011, 09:36 AM
When they decided to put the i.X6 cosmetics on Schnyder's PT57E in 2003.
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/Patty_Schnyder_2003_Sopot-1.jpg

get it in
02-10-2011, 09:39 AM
It is like comparing race cars with street car.

Nascar race cars, dtm cars looks like street car from outside.

I'm not sure if I agree with the analogy. It doesn't appear that Ljubicic has superior materials or layup in his frame compared to other players. Most pro frames are 'high performance' materials. I wonder if VS meant Ljubicic lays up his racquet differently to get a feel that suits him best and not because his layup is superior to others. Ivan's racquet should theoretically play the same as everyone elses, just with a different feel to it.

ollinger
02-10-2011, 09:51 AM
From the Paint Job Hall of F(r)ame comes Laver's wood racquet that was painted to look like a metal racquet.

Rorsach
02-10-2011, 12:05 PM
Most pro frames are 'high performance' materials.


High Performance materials, as in, different from the graphite/kevlar/etc for retail frames?

Never heard of such a thing. I can understand if the layup is different, because the player would like a different flex, but super-special materials? I don't buy it.

John_Doe
02-10-2011, 12:19 PM
I still think the Safin/Dunlop fiasco takes the prize.

I don't see how any other racket paintjob can even compare to that one. Using a Head Prestige Classic 600 with a Dunlop paintjob? That's about as misleading as it can get.

0d1n
02-11-2011, 04:53 AM
I don't see how any other racket paintjob can even compare to that one. Using a Head Prestige Classic 600 with a Dunlop paintjob? That's about as misleading as it can get.

Well HEAD does it the other way around with Mauresmo's racquet (Dunlop).
Or at least did it when Mauresmo was playing.

jazar
02-11-2011, 05:08 AM
Richard Gasquet's LM Intinct Tour XL painted to look like an Extreme Pro.

Victoria Azarenka's LM Instinct painted to look like an Extreme Pro.

Yen-Hsun Lu's Instinct (can't remember which generation) painted to look like an Extreme Pro.

Ivan Dodig using a Radical with a 16x18 pattern.

Sania Mirza using a Wilson Pro Open with an 18x20 pattern (no, its not a Pro Tour).

Ash_Smith
02-11-2011, 05:42 AM
Rusedski with a pro staff painted as a dunlop must be pretty close!

Ash

klementine
02-11-2011, 07:03 AM
http://i56.tinypic.com/242x0uu.jpg fake h22 dent


^ That's pretty ridiculous, a kblade PJ with a 16x19 pattern.... Similar to Djokovic using an 18x20 and Head advertising the SpeedPro in 16x19 as his 'signature' racquet....

I can understand PJ's and their purpose... but when consumers can do something as simple as counting mains and crosses to understand it is a PJ..???? .... it feels like a slap in the face by the manufacturers.

get it in
02-11-2011, 09:23 AM
No, not anything different than graphite, which I consider to be 'high performance.' It depends on your own definition, of course.

That sentence was in reference to the analogy of the race car. Most racquets you buy from places like TW are high quality and good enough for professionals to take off the rack and use with some minor modifications. I just wanted to point out that I thought all pro players had good quality equipment and that you wouldn't have one pro playing with a so-called 'stock car engine' and another with a 'race car engine.' Layup is different than materials- that was what I was trying to make clear. Hope that helps.

High Performance materials, as in, different from the graphite/kevlar/etc for retail frames?

Never heard of such a thing. I can understand if the layup is different, because the player would like a different flex, but super-special materials? I don't buy it.

BobFL
02-12-2011, 12:16 AM
http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq355/bobfl/MauresmosHEADPJ.jpg

John_Doe
02-12-2011, 10:44 AM
From the Paint Job Hall of F(r)ame comes Laver's wood racquet that was painted to look like a metal racquet.

Ha, sounds like this one takes the cake. Anybody have pictures?

Doubles
02-12-2011, 08:27 PM
http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq355/bobfl/MauresmosHEADPJ.jpg

Wow. Not even remotely close...

dr325i
02-12-2011, 09:56 PM
Djokovic when he was endorsing the K Blade 98, and it was a Radical MP mold (LM without ridges I think?).

No and no...
He was endorsing the KBT, not the KB98 and no, it was not the Radical mold under it, but the H22, which is a Wilson equivalent of the PT57 from Head...

ollinger
02-13-2011, 07:49 AM
Try tt.tennis-warehouse.com/archive/index.php/t-195948.html regarding Laver's racquet.

tennisdj
02-13-2011, 08:47 AM
Tommy Robredo's actual pj of a Dunlop Bio 600! :lol:
Totally agree... Also the Almagro 500 tour pj. Dunlop seems to be the champ in here..lol

The Baseline
02-13-2011, 01:21 PM
Totally agree... Also the Almagro 500 tour pj. Dunlop seems to be the champ in here..lol

whats almagro use a 98 square inch hot melt frame from dunlop, right?

johnnymacfan
02-13-2011, 01:30 PM
There's Cibulkova with her Superlite Dunlop and then there's Wickmayer with an AG500 painted as a Donnay. What racquet is DoCi using under that paint and what Donnay is Wicky endorsing?

The classic one would still be Safin's "Dunlop". Weird that Dunlop is the worst offender of this paintjobbery.

I would have to disagree here...HEAD is by far the worst offender. There are only 3 players on the HEAD roster in recent memory that actually played with the racquet they represented (even in stock form with weight balance customization) - Ljubicic with the Extreme, Karlovic with the actual Flexpoint Instinct (albeit with the gargantuan grip) and Jose Acasuso with the actual Flexpoint Prestige. Outside of that I cannot think of anyone on their roster with the actual frame/mold they represent. Hell even Gasquet and Azarenka are still using LM Instincts painted in various ways...

vsbabolat
02-13-2011, 01:55 PM
I would have to disagree here...HEAD is by far the worst offender. There are only 3 players on the HEAD roster in recent memory that actually played with the racquet they represented (even in stock form with weight balance customization) - Ljubicic with the Extreme, Karlovic with the actual Flexpoint Instinct (albeit with the gargantuan grip) and Jose Acasuso with the actual Flexpoint Prestige. Outside of that I cannot think of anyone on their roster with the actual frame/mold they represent. Hell even Gasquet and Azarenka are still using LM Instincts painted in various ways...

That was a Prestige Classic 600 with Flexpoints. It played nothing like the a retail Flexpoint Prestige Mid.

johnnymacfan
02-13-2011, 05:49 PM
That was a Prestige Classic 600 with Flexpoints. It played nothing like the a retail Flexpoint Prestige Mid.

If that's the case then HEAD are surely the winners in the PJ race. Kinda odd to take such a well thought of racquet like the PC 600 and add actual Flexpoints to it, but ok...

vsbabolat
02-13-2011, 06:41 PM
If that's the case then HEAD are surely the winners in the PJ race. Kinda odd to take such a well thought of racquet like the PC 600 and add actual Flexpoints to it, but ok...

Very few guys used it that way. Instead going with the Flexpoint being paint on. They also did that with the Pro Tour 630 as well.............

bad_call
02-13-2011, 06:59 PM
Very few guys used it that way. Instead going with the Flexpoint being paint on. They also did that with the Pro Tour 630 as well.............

so which models are head still making (pt,pc, etc) ?

Mdubb23
04-23-2011, 04:31 PM
Richard Gasquet's LM Intinct Tour XL painted to look like an Extreme Pro.

Victoria Azarenka's LM Instinct painted to look like an Extreme Pro.

Yen-Hsun Lu's Instinct (can't remember which generation) painted to look like an Extreme Pro.

Ivan Dodig using a Radical with a 16x18 pattern.

Sania Mirza using a Wilson Pro Open with an 18x20 pattern (no, its not a Pro Tour).

Sorry to bump this, but Dodig is actually using a 16x19 Radical (260.2), not 16x18, though maybe he was at one time.
http://answers.bettor.com/images/Articles/thumbs/extralarge/Ivan-Dodig,-Denis-Istomin-through-to-the-second-round-at-the-Sony-Ericsson-Open-59886.jpg

LPShanet
04-28-2011, 03:33 AM
If that's the case then HEAD are surely the winners in the PJ race. Kinda odd to take such a well thought of racquet like the PC 600 and add actual Flexpoints to it, but ok...

This has a lot to do with having the largest pro room program. Not surprisingly, Wilson is right up there, too, as they are the other major manufacturer with a full service pro room.

jackcrawford
04-29-2011, 09:59 PM
From the Paint Job Hall of F(r)ame comes Laver's wood racquet that was painted to look like a metal racquet.
As JW10s points out briefly here, http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/archive/index.php/t-144797.html that is not so - what actually occurred, as recounted on pg 187 of the New Chapter Press 2009 edition of Laver's autobiography Education of a Tennis Player, is that Laver endorsed a Dunlop wooden racket in Australia, a Donnay woodie in Europe and a Chemold aluminum in the USA. He received $50,000 per year for each endorsement. He used the Chemold metal to win 13 consecutive "winner take all" matches in the 1971 Tennis Champion's classic. There was never any attempt, nor could there have been, to disguise a metal frame with a split shaft http://woodtennis.ecrater.com/p/3559872/chemold-rod-laver-aluminum-silver as a Dunlop woodie http://www.80s-tennis.com/pages/maxply-fort.html

SirGounder
05-01-2011, 01:35 AM
Very few guys used it that way. Instead going with the Flexpoint being paint on. They also did that with the Pro Tour 630 as well.............

Yeah Head has gotta be the worst offender with the painted flexpoint.

chrischris
10-29-2011, 01:34 PM
Stefan Edberg's PS85 with the PS 6.1 Classic paint job springs to mind.

It had a different head size, shape, string pattern as well as a different frame cross-section, balance and weight.

(photos about half way down this (http://thetenniswiki.com/Wilson+Pro+Staff+6.0+Original+Mid+85) page)



Yes it does .. here is a photo of it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/57418805@N06/5797415751/in/photostream/

chrischris
10-29-2011, 01:35 PM
Yeah Head has gotta be the worst offender with the painted flexpoint.

And with the liquidmetal ridges gone flat on the PJ's
http://www.flickr.com/photos/57418805@N06/5796976812/in/photostream/

chrischris
10-29-2011, 01:47 PM
Yeah Head has gotta be the worst offender with the painted flexpoint.

As for the FXP PJ's well yes ..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/57418805@N06/5846066980/in/photostream/

its very clear there arent holes in the PJ's

Cup8489
10-31-2011, 08:45 AM
Head certainly has had some gems. I like seeing the LM ridges on Gasquet's 'Extreme'

basil J
11-02-2011, 11:04 AM
My alltime favorites:
1.Safin using a head under a 200GMW paint job
2.Haas -Same thing using a head under a 200G MW paint job
3.Alamagro-using a head prestige under a Dunlop 500 tour paint job.
4.Phillipousis using a head under a dunlop 200G paint job
4. mauresmo using a 300G under ahead paint job

lbjames23
11-04-2011, 01:15 PM
djokovic uses a raq made of his own mod, flex, shape.
that s the sole reason I never buy from head AGAIN !!
head treats us like fools, but sadly only 100 guys here nos the differences and 100000000 guys are buying the "speed mp(aka "the crap")" from the shelf.

davedomart
11-04-2011, 08:23 PM
I didn't know that Almagros real racquet was a head prestige, is this still the case?

Cesare
11-04-2011, 09:09 PM
Baghdatis, Murray, Almagro, Gasquet, Kuznetsova, Verdasco

dr325i
11-05-2011, 12:19 AM
djokovic uses a raq made of his own mod, flex, shape.that s the sole reason I never buy from head AGAIN !!
head treats us like fools, but sadly only 100 guys here nos the differences and 100000000 guys are buying the "speed mp(aka "the crap")" from the shelf.

Ahm...no...
You can get the same mold (and shape) racket in the local store -- it is called Head Microgel Radical MP ;)
Yes, the layup and customization are different...

I am not following the rest of your comment... Do you buy the racket just because you fav pro "uses" it???

vsbabolat
11-05-2011, 06:48 AM
My alltime favorites:
1.Safin using a head under a 200GMW paint job
2.Haas -Same thing using a head under a 200G MW paint job
3.Alamagro-using a head prestige under a Dunlop 500 tour paint job.
4.Phillipousis using a head under a dunlop 200G paint job
4. mauresmo using a 300G under ahead paint job

No, Haas used the Dunlop 300 Tour MOLD with his own custom layup while with Dunlop.

No, Alamagro is using the Dunlop Hotmelt 300G under his 500 Tour paint job

No, Mauresmo used the Revelation 200G 95 with 16x19 drill pattern.

Ivanovicfan94
12-08-2011, 02:33 PM
Obvisously Wickmayers' Dunlop painted to Donnay, you could see the dunlop buttcap -.-

power level 800
12-09-2011, 01:52 PM
Thomas Berdych's racquet. I'm not sure what he actually uses but today in the tennis channel he was supposed to be ”using” the same as Cilic's racquet but it was like two shades darker.. lol.

vsbabolat
12-09-2011, 02:19 PM
Thomas Berdych's racquet. I'm not sure what he actually uses but today in the tennis channel he was supposed to be ”using” the same as Cilic's racquet but it was like two shades darker.. lol.

Berdych uses the YT Radical MP with a 16x19 string pattern. They both have the exact same paint job. One does not look any lighter or darker to me. Cilic uses MG Radical MP with a 16x19 string pattern with the YT Radical paint job.

power level 800
12-09-2011, 02:34 PM
Berdych uses the YT Radical MP with a 16x19 string pattern. They both have the exact same paint job. One does not look any lighter or darker to me. Cilic uses MG Radical MP with a 16x19 string pattern with the YT Radical paint job.

Thanks I really believe your right I own a 63” hd tv, but it could have been the lighting in my room that made it look that way. No sarcasm on my statement.

BobFL
12-09-2011, 04:38 PM
Thanks I really believe your right I own a 63” hd tv, but it could have been the lighting in my room that made it look that way. No sarcasm on my statement.

You need 163". Anyways, VS is always right. You will learn that soon...

Cup8489
12-09-2011, 06:30 PM
No, Haas used the Dunlop 300 Tour MOLD with his own custom layup while with Dunlop.

No, Alamagro is using the Dunlop Hotmelt 300G under his 500 Tour paint job

No, Mauresmo used the Revelation 200G 95 with 16x19 drill pattern.

that hotmelt 300g is really popular. I wish I could get one. lol

Backhanded Compliment
12-09-2011, 09:01 PM
Nah I got you all beat... Martina Navratalova's Max 200G painted as a Yonex:

http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/Navratilova_1987_Wimbledon_1.jpg


http://www.*********/itm/Martina-Navratilovas-Dunlop-Max-200g-w-Yonex-Paint-Scheme-Tennis-Racquet-/260874102397

The 200G is perhaps the most original tennis racket design (that has been widely used) and the Yonex head shape is also very proprietary.

power level 800
12-10-2011, 03:41 AM
You need 163". Anyways, VS is always right. You will learn that soon...

I'm learning.. :)

Automatix
12-10-2011, 05:48 AM
Anyways, VS is always right. You will learn that soon... Right! We are lucky to have him here. :)

chrischris
02-20-2012, 07:34 AM
Right! We are lucky to have him here. :)

Yes , he is very good reliable source that we can get help from!

chrischris
02-20-2012, 07:36 AM
Tommy Haas PJ Dunlop Aerogel of which i currently have a few , is a funny one.
Its 18/20. The retail version was 16/19.

vsbabolat
02-20-2012, 07:50 AM
Tommy Haas PJ Dunlop Aerogel of which i currently have a few , is a funny one.
Its 18/20. The retail version was 16/19.

Yes. Tommy while with Dunlop used the 300 Tour Mold. The texture of the cosmetics closely resemble the Muscleweave 200G. If memory serves me his sticks always had the little silver lines that boarders the throat area matte finish that were on the Muscleweave paintjob frames.

chrischris
02-20-2012, 08:46 AM
Yes. Tommy while with Dunlop used the 300 Tour Mold. The texture of the cosmetics closely resemble the Muscleweave 200G. If memory serves me his sticks always had the little silver lines that boarders the throat area matte finish that were on the Muscleweave paintjob frames.

Yes , i think thats right.. i will have a look at the ones i have later to see .

gavna
02-20-2012, 03:27 PM
the "wilson" that Fede Del Bonis is using this past week!!!! a few threads down from this one is an awesome pic of a Prince O3 painted all Black with a Wilson "W" stencil....hahaha too too funny.

chrischris
02-21-2012, 09:19 AM
Yes. Tommy while with Dunlop used the 300 Tour Mold. The texture of the cosmetics closely resemble the Muscleweave 200G. If memory serves me his sticks always had the little silver lines that boarders the throat area matte finish that were on the Muscleweave paintjob frames.

Yes, i see they do have this little silver line.

movdqa
04-17-2012, 08:52 AM
Looks like Cilic is going to the Instinct PJ.