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themitchmann
02-24-2011, 03:14 PM
I know there is another thread about this, but I'm just so shocked I wanted to start anew. As a loyal Prince player, I was a little tweaked when he went to Dunlop. This guy BASHED the Prince name last year, but now it looks like he wants back in.

Here's a link to the original thread (page 2 has the pics of the racquet in question): http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=346453&page=2

From the pics (from Dubai), I'm guessing it might be a blacked-out EXO3 Tour.

When I think about why he would switch back to Prince, I can't say I'm surprised. His results with the Dunlop were less than stellar (especially when you consider that he reached #3 in the world using a Prince racquet with O3 technology). Maybe the improved playability of the EXO3 line he'll be able to regain his standing at the top of the rankings.

That makes at least two players in the last couple of months (with Hantuchova switching back to Prince from Volkl after only a couple days) who tried to move on, but couldn't. It seems the EXO3 Tours require a longer playtest to get accustom to the unique feel, but overall, players (in my club and on these boards) seem to really like the performance of the frames.

Glad he is finally making decisions that will benefit his performance, not his wallet.

It'll be interesting to see what Davydenko ends up doing...I'm still waiting for the new Rebel, though!!!

Trevor
02-24-2011, 03:39 PM
I think Prince would do well to open up their racket lineup with some hole-less rackets even if it's limited to a 'Tour' series or something. I can't imagine they'd have too much trouble getting a top player to endorse one.

Fedace
02-24-2011, 03:49 PM
what is all this ? I thought EXO 3 tech was like the God given invention? and it was the best thing that actually works out there for control and power ??

themitchmann
02-24-2011, 04:44 PM
what is all this ? I thought EXO 3 tech was like the God given invention? and it was the best thing that actually works out there for control and power ??

Maybe that's why he's switching back to Prince.

themitchmann
02-25-2011, 03:23 AM
http://i53.tinypic.com/ifr12f.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/2upwm89.jpg

aphex
02-25-2011, 03:27 AM
Is that a Princelop?

BobFL
02-25-2011, 07:08 AM
Is that a Princelop?

Nope, it's a Dunprin! They are very similar tho...

CzechM8
02-25-2011, 07:32 AM
Not a Princelop or a Dunprin. It's a Dunce. Or a dunce? :)

ryushen21
02-25-2011, 08:07 AM
And didn't he just release an article talking about how he was giving up his Prince frames and was going to use only his Dunlops?

themitchmann
02-25-2011, 08:15 AM
And didn't he just release an article talking about how he was giving up his Prince frames and was going to use only his Dunlops?

I know...that's why this whole thing is so crazy. I don't understand why he just didn't stick with Prince in the first place!!!

(besides the money factor)

dominikk1985
02-25-2011, 08:18 AM
did he ever actually use dunlop or just a paintjob?

ryushen21
02-25-2011, 08:24 AM
I know...that's why this whole thing is so crazy. I don't understand why he just didn't stick with Prince in the first place!!!

(besides the money factor)

Honestly I think that Prince was foolish for not paying him more after he had that really hot streak. He was the top male player using their brand and they could have afforded to throw some more cash at him.

Now maybe since Masha is with Head they can afford to buy him back.

And how is Prince not suing Dunlop for stenciling what is obviously one of their frames?

BobFL
02-25-2011, 08:35 AM
did he ever actually use dunlop or just a paintjob?

Yes, he did! :)

http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq355/bobfl/davy51.jpg

Macro80
02-25-2011, 08:54 AM
Christ how pathetic, on so many levels.

themitchmann
02-25-2011, 09:13 AM
Honestly I think that Prince was foolish for not paying him more after he had that really hot streak. He was the top male player using their brand and they could have afforded to throw some more cash at him.

I don't want to speculate on the details of the racquet contract, but I think Davy would have gone wherever the money was. Even if Prince offered more money, I he would have used that to leverage another company into paying him more. Looks like his desire to fatten his wallet hasn't paid off.

He just needs to worry about using equipment that helps him to perform at the highest level. For him, looks like it's Prince.

ryushen21
02-25-2011, 09:18 AM
I don't want to speculate on the details of the racquet contract, but I think Davy would have gone wherever the money was. Even if Prince offered more money, I he would have used that to leverage another company into paying him more. Looks like his desire to fatten his wallet hasn't paid off.

He just needs to worry about using equipment that helps him to perform at the highest level. For him, looks like it's Prince.

Davy was problem hoping to get an offer on the hook the get Prince to cough up cash. He had to leave when Prince said no but now Dunlop can't make a frame that he likes to use so he is in between the rock and the hard place.

Some players have stuck it out while contracts were in negotiation or they were even dropped but got picked up again after they had gotten some better results.

Djokolate
02-25-2011, 09:31 AM
I thought I saw Davydenko with a dunlop stencil vs Berdych??

themitchmann
02-25-2011, 10:12 AM
I thought I saw Davydenko with a dunlop stencil vs Berdych??

It wads blacked out and had a dunlop stencil, but it was not a Dunlop.

PBODY99
02-25-2011, 11:52 AM
I have found that the _Port tech rewards a smooth decisive swing , no matter what the Prince power level may say. If davy got hooked to that feel, which so many on this board dislike, than any non_port frame is going to weigh on his mind.

Gasolina
02-25-2011, 12:15 PM
First Verdasco and now Davydenko.... it's looking bad for these biomimetic frames

WARPWOODIE
02-25-2011, 12:35 PM
Sounds almost as if Davydenko conspired with Prince to make Dunlop look bad.:twisted:

big bang
02-25-2011, 02:40 PM
Hey maybe Dunlop just bought some holes for him?, I heard Prince sell them pretty cheap at the moment:)

TheBoom
02-25-2011, 03:05 PM
Haha wow i would think he'd at least try it for a while i mean the 200 plus was made for him to endorse. When did verdasco decide not to use them?

roundiesee
02-25-2011, 05:08 PM
Davy and Verdasco need to see a psychiatrist LOL :) Why can't they be like Rafa and Fed who never seem to blame their rackets whenever something goes wrong with their games?

slice bh compliment
02-25-2011, 05:41 PM
Davy and Verdasco need to see a psychiatrist LOL :) Why can't they be like Rafa and Fed who never seem to blame their rackets whenever something goes wrong with their games?

Paging Dr. Freud, please. Paging Dr. Freud.
A mister davydasco and a mr. Verdenko are here to see you. Dr. Freud please, paging Dr. Freud.

Bartelby
02-25-2011, 05:53 PM
Rafa and Fed stayed true to their roots, and were well compensated, the others were not so well compensated and hence their dilemma.



Davy and Verdasco need to see a psychiatrist LOL :) Why can't they be like Rafa and Fed who never seem to blame their rackets whenever something goes wrong with their games?

Boricua
02-25-2011, 05:59 PM
I think in tennis a pro should play wih the racket that best adjusts to his game, but in a world of offers and money it is not that simple.

Nonethelless, Davydenko is one of the most underrated players and with enormous talent.

I hope he can bounce back and be the best he can be, consistently.:)

kimguroo
02-25-2011, 06:03 PM
I'm still waiting for the new Rebel, though!!!

Uhh~
why do we need new Rebel:confused:
if prince try to do something with Rebel, they might have more problems.
I don't want to see anything new from rebels.
New paint job might be good but I don't think it will happen Since Prince try to push Rebel lines nowadays. what a bad marketing!!! Three years later, they release all new rebel gears (shoes, bags)...... I don't understand :confused:

Prince should bring Japanese rebels both 95 and 105 in US.
much better rackets for recreational players.

themitchmann
02-25-2011, 06:10 PM
^^^I don't want a major change in the Rebels. Maybe a more open string pattern option, or relocating the tie-off location for the last cross. And...a new PJ, just for kicks!

kimguroo
02-25-2011, 07:02 PM
relocating the tie-off location for the last cross.

Is it bad location?
I just bought a stringing machine (two months ago), I am still learning how to string. knots are always difficult for me.
yesterday, I tried to make the last cross knot and pulled a little hard then broke the string:evil:
I did not want to restring so I will test it whether restring or use it until break the string.

themitchmann
02-25-2011, 07:23 PM
There is just not a lot of room to tie a knot, especially with a thicker gauge. It's not a major issue.

vasquez90
02-26-2011, 03:07 AM
Mitchmann can you confirm what prince racket Davydenko switched back to- it is hard to tell in the photographs? Think Masha should be next to go back?! Afterall she won 2 of ther 3 grand slams with the technology too so we know it worked for her also.

themitchmann
02-26-2011, 03:26 AM
Mitchmann can you confirm what prince racket Davydenko switched back to- it is hard to tell in the photographs? Think Masha should be next to go back?! Afterall she won 2 of ther 3 grand slams with the technology too so we know it worked for her also.

I can't confirm 100%, but I'm guessing it's an EXO3 Tour.

Your right, it did work for Masha. Maybe she'll eventually come back as well.

Sentinel
02-26-2011, 03:43 AM
Davy and Verdasco need to see a psychiatrist LOL :) Why can't they be like Rafa and Fed who never seem to blame their rackets whenever something goes wrong with their games?
Actually according to the sages and mystics on our forum, Federer's racket IS TO BLAME. He needs a larger head, and perhaps a move to Babolat to win anything anymore. He's too obstinate to blame his rack :)

themitchmann
02-27-2011, 02:42 AM
Anyone have any other pics of tue Davy re-switch?

junk
02-27-2011, 10:52 AM
Anyone have any other pics of tue Davy re-switch?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/mypixforum/tb_2011/framed_combo_r2_dubai_23feb2011.jpg

slice bh compliment
02-27-2011, 12:12 PM
Actually according to the sages and mystics on our forum, Federer's racket IS TO BLAME. He needs a larger head, and perhaps a move to Babolat to win anything anymore. He's too obstinate to blame his rack :)

I'm sure he will stick with the racquet that's clearly an extension of his hand, but....can you imagine the penetrating shots and the reduced shank factor if he switched to a 95 head? After a short transition, he'd be the best again.

AlpineCadet
03-12-2011, 11:44 PM
To the OP, it doesn't seem like Davy is going back from what I've heard. If he does, then Prince is probably ****ed about his blacked out frame. Sharapova is done as well and is supposedly going to a denser string pattern Head frame.

themitchmann
03-13-2011, 03:47 AM
To the OP, it doesn't seem like Davy is going back from what I've heard. If he does, then Prince is probably ****ed about his blacked out frame. Sharapova is done as well and is supposedly going to a denser string pattern Head frame.

He's playing with a blacked out Prince stick...that much is obvious. I don't know what wil happen with his contracts...

I merely started this thread to point out that he is using a Prince stick after badmouthing the company and saying he'd throw his old frames in the trash.

I'm not a Sharapova fan, but I think Prince could have built her a racquet that would have worked for her. I think she was pressured a bit by her customizing company to switch to another brand (from what I hear). I don't think her switch to Head will help her career at all...just like switching frames won't turn many of us into touring pros ;).

Sentinel
03-13-2011, 04:55 AM
He's playing with a blacked out Prince stick...that much is obvious. I don't know what wil happen with his contracts...

I merely started this thread to point out that he is using a Prince stick after badmouthing the company and saying he'd throw his old frames in the trash.

I'm not a Sharapova fan, but I think Prince could have built her a racquet that would have worked for her. I think she was pressured a bit by her customizing company to switch to another brand (from what I hear). I don't think her switch to Head will help her career at all...just like switching frames won't turn many of us into touring pros ;).
So he went to the Moscow Main Garbage Dump, excavated the rackets he'd thrown away 6 months earlier, painted them black and is playing with them again ?
Cool.

themitchmann
03-13-2011, 05:09 AM
So he went to the Moscow Main Garbage Dump, excavated the rackets he'd thrown away 6 months earlier, painted them black and is playing with them again ?
Cool.

Yup. Guess so ;).

AlpineCadet
03-13-2011, 01:55 PM
Prince is ****ed at them both, so if he is using one, it's because Dunlop just isn't working for him, not that he's going back to Prince. They both burned a couple of bridges over at Prince, that much is obvious.

themitchmann
03-14-2011, 06:04 PM
http://i52.tinypic.com/2itrehs.jpg

themitchmann
03-14-2011, 06:05 PM
http://i51.tinypic.com/35d6urs.jpg

ahuimanu
03-14-2011, 06:21 PM
Prince is ****ed at them both, so if he is using one, it's because Dunlop just isn't working for him, not that he's going back to Prince. They both burned a couple of bridges over at Prince, that much is obvious.

Dont blame Daveydenko I've used every version of the Dunlop 200 but the latest is very difficult to hit with.

I hope Davy can get settled on a racquet and regain his form. Just love to watch his "stroke machine". :)

lacoster
03-14-2011, 07:17 PM
I think Prince would do well to open up their racket lineup with some hole-less rackets even if it's limited to a 'Tour' series or something. I can't imagine they'd have too much trouble getting a top player to endorse one.

I've been wondering this for years! Malisse and Rochus are still endorsing hole-less Prince racquets that are almost a decade old. Plus, the paintjobs for all the others trying to peddle the newest frames are complete jokes (Querrey, Isner, Bartoli).

slice bh compliment
03-14-2011, 11:40 PM
I've been wondering this for years! Malisse and Rochus are still endorsing hole-less Prince racquets that are almost a decade old. Plus, the paintjobs for all the others trying to peddle the newest frames are complete jokes (Querrey, Isner, Bartoli).

Yep.
It's just sad how pro players want to play with what they like, but still want free product and endorsement contracts so they 'sell out' to companies who want to sell stuff to yutzes who believe their games will improve with a racquet choice. Complete joke. But it's been going on for as long as I can remember.

I miss the days of the $24 Maxply or Pro Staff. Yeah, some of the pro got the best wood, but for the most part, there weren't paintjobs and farcical contract breaches. Although, Laver's wooden Dunlop painted to look like a metal Chemold has got to go down as the most ridiculous (sorry if I spelled that a little cray cray) paintjob ever.

Oh, and [EDIT] back on topic...
I've hit with the new biomimetic 300, 300Tour, 200 plus, 200 and 200 lite. The 300tour and the 200 are just awesome. I assumed the whole aeroskin thing was a gimmick. But these are stable, fairly heavy-ish frames that move through the air like a dream. The feel/layup is great, too. I do think it's enough of a change for a pro used to an older model to hem and haw. Again, it's not that it's a bad racquet. It's that so-n-so/Verdenko/Davydasco, et al cannot get used to it and wants his wooby back.

themitchmann
03-15-2011, 03:53 AM
I've been wondering this for years! Malisse and Rochus are still endorsing hole-less Prince racquets that are almost a decade old. Plus, the paintjobs for all the others trying to peddle the newest frames are complete jokes (Querrey, Isner, Bartoli).

Every company is doing this. There is only a small percentage of top players that actually use a retail version of the frame that they endorse.

Rochus is another story, but the Diablo (Malisse) is still available (however, I believe Malisse uses a older frame that is painted like the Diablo - can't remember the name of the frame though).

Noltae
03-15-2011, 04:17 AM
Im sure the average recreational/club player could cope perfectly well using a pro's exact racquet specs - authenticity sells so i don't understand why they don't give the consumer the real deal - I should be able to walk into my local shop and come out with the latest 'Isner' or 'Query' model - If companies just sold stock frames that pros like the industry would be better - I see this happening in the future -

zasr4325
03-15-2011, 04:41 AM
Im sure the average recreational/club player could cope perfectly well using a pro's exact racquet specs - authenticity sells so i don't understand why they don't give the consumer the real deal - I should be able to walk into my local shop and come out with the latest 'Isner' or 'Query' model - If companies just sold stock frames that pros like the industry would be better - I see this happening in the future -

Either my sarcasm meter is off, or you are very much misinformed. Why on earth would you want to play with someone else's racquet? The whole point of it being YOUR racquet is that it is customised/bought to fit your needs. You want it at a certain weight with a certain balance, not "whatever Isner has". And the reason they're using those racquets is because those are the ones that they are used to. The companies paint the racquets to make it look like the new ones they're promoting, and some players might feel these newer racquets give them something extra, so they might switch, but others might feel more comfortable with the older frame, so they stick with it. At the end of the day, just pick the racquet that you think suits your game best. And it's not like the newer racquets are false advertising; a junior is going to start off with a brand new APDCGT now, and then once they make their way up the rankings they're more than likely going to stay with that racquet and get it PJ'd to look like the next APDCGT turbo boost GOATracquet.

EDIT: also, it's not like those racquets weren't available at some point. They're just older models, not some PE that the public can't use.

gloumar
03-15-2011, 05:04 AM
Yep.
It's just sad how pro players want to play with what they like, but still want free product and endorsement contracts so they 'sell out' to companies who want to sell stuff to yutzes who believe their games will improve with a racquet choice. Complete joke. But it's been going on for as long as I can remember.

I agree on the nonsense.

But what is truely sad to me is the fact that companies have been setting up an annual schedule for releasing their "new awesome futuristic technologies" ! (my arse)
I dt know which of Head Prince or Wilson started it, but THIS is nonsense.

And why should the companies force players to fit the new cosmetics ? Having the name of the brand on the gear isn't enough ? Of course not, because everyone would want the same old damn stick, to be sold maybe the quarter the price of the brand new one !
They create the need.

themitchmann
03-15-2011, 06:04 AM
^^^It's all about selling stuff. Racquets tend to last a while. By redesigning or changing the cosmetics, it entices players to switch to a new frame.

Why release a new model of car every year?

I'm not a fan of the whole PJ conspiracy...often, it's very misleading to the general public. However, I genuinely believe the better racquet companies are honestly trying to improve their product. I feel like releasing frames every 1-2 years isn't absolutely necessary, but it pushes manufacturers to constantly strive to be forward thinking and attempt to produce better frames.

On the other side of the coin, some frames are so good and popular that all they really need is an updated paintjob (and sometimes, not even that).

NLBwell
03-15-2011, 03:25 PM
What seems sad is that Dunlop should be able to make a specially-made racket for a pro that would be exactly like he wanted. Head seems to be able to do this especially well and I've never heard of anyone leaving Wilson because they can't make an acceptable racket. However, Dunlop can't seem to custom-make an acceptable racket for anyone. Blake, Verdasco, Philipoussis, Davydenko, etc.

CyberInferno
03-15-2011, 04:45 PM
Is it bad location?
I just bought a stringing machine (two months ago), I am still learning how to string. knots are always difficult for me.
yesterday, I tried to make the last cross knot and pulled a little hard then broke the string:evil:
I did not want to restring so I will test it whether restring or use it until break the string.
I remember being new to stringing, and knots can definitely be a pain. Some things to remember are that you don't have to tie knots that hard for them to hold (especially true of gut where you can weaken the string by over-pulling), and the awl is your best friend with tough grommets.
I'm sure he will stick with the racquet that's clearly an extension of his hand, but....can you imagine the penetrating shots and the reduced shank factor if he switched to a 95 head? After a short transition, he'd be the best again.
I agree. Wilson could easily manufacture a 95-inch racquet with the same weight and balance as the 90-inch, and I think it would help Federer quite a bit with the shanks.
Im sure the average recreational/club player could cope perfectly well using a pro's exact racquet specs - authenticity sells so i don't understand why they don't give the consumer the real deal - I should be able to walk into my local shop and come out with the latest 'Isner' or 'Query' model - If companies just sold stock frames that pros like the industry would be better - I see this happening in the future -
I think themitchman summarized it well. Racquet companies don't want people sticking with the same racquet for 10 years like the pros do. Roddick said in an interview after losing a tournament that he's played with the same racquet for 13 years. Racquet companies can't rely on the average recreational player breaking frames regularly enough that have to repurchase them, so they need new marketing gimmicks.
Either my sarcasm meter is off, or you are very much misinformed. Why on earth would you want to play with someone else's racquet? The whole point of it being YOUR racquet is that it is customised/bought to fit your needs. You want it at a certain weight with a certain balance, not "whatever Isner has". And the reason they're using those racquets is because those are the ones that they are used to. The companies paint the racquets to make it look like the new ones they're promoting, and some players might feel these newer racquets give them something extra, so they might switch, but others might feel more comfortable with the older frame, so they stick with it. At the end of the day, just pick the racquet that you think suits your game best. And it's not like the newer racquets are false advertising; a junior is going to start off with a brand new APDCGT now, and then once they make their way up the rankings they're more than likely going to stay with that racquet and get it PJ'd to look like the next APDCGT turbo boost GOATracquet.

EDIT: also, it's not like those racquets weren't available at some point. They're just older models, not some PE that the public can't use.
I like your comment on the edit, but some racquets (Federer's, for instance) are literally custom-made to the point that you couldn't take a stock model and make it the same. I believe his specifically has a tighter grommet pattern around the middle.

I also think you're overrating how much the average players care about their racquets. People like us who are on forums discussing these types of things have far more interest in customizing our frames than the average player. I think tennis players are divided into three categories: people who think the racquet doesn't matter and stick with the same thing until they literally have to switch; people who buy every new racquet on the market thinking that it's "the one;" and people like us who work hard to find a racquet that works well for them then tweak string configurations, tensions, and the frame weight to make the racquet perfect.

Clearly, to racquet companies, that middle group that will buy anything that looks pretty and advertises improvement is the primary consumer category.

zasr4325
03-15-2011, 07:19 PM
I like your comment on the edit, but some racquets (Federer's, for instance) are literally custom-made to the point that you couldn't take a stock model and make it the same. I believe his specifically has a tighter grommet pattern around the middle.

I also think you're overrating how much the average players care about their racquets. People like us who are on forums discussing these types of things have far more interest in customizing our frames than the average player. I think tennis players are divided into three categories: people who think the racquet doesn't matter and stick with the same thing until they literally have to switch; people who buy every new racquet on the market thinking that it's "the one;" and people like us who work hard to find a racquet that works well for them then tweak string configurations, tensions, and the frame weight to make the racquet perfect.

Clearly, to racquet companies, that middle group that will buy anything that looks pretty and advertises improvement is the primary consumer category.

True dat. I've seen quite a few, let's call them 'intermediates', who simply buy whichever frame is newest. And you can just tell they told the guy in the store, "I want the one Roger uses". I mean you see these beginners who can barely keep a ball in court trying to use a BLX90, and it just seems so pointless.

I've never had a problem with pros using older racquets with the newer PJs, as they should be able to get some exclusive things because, well, they're pros, who need to feel absolutely 100% with the racquet they use. I certainly know that if I was a top pro, I would want some benefits such as being able to use whichever racquet I choose, obviously with a PJ, and certain PE shoes or clothing.

I think certain companies who release new racquets very often are clearly doing it to appeal to that 'middle group', whilst others refreshing every few years are trying to promote longevity. But in reality, most consumers aren't going to stay with the same racquet throughout refresh cycles, simply because it becomes difficult to source the racquet once production is finished. I've just switched to the BLX 95, and I can't really see myself changing racquet for the next few years. And if I did, it would just be the same model in whatever the new line is called. Like from a K95 to a BLX95. Or I'd buy out the entire stock of BLX95s, just for consistency :).

lacoster
03-15-2011, 07:33 PM
Every company is doing this. There is only a small percentage of top players that actually use a retail version of the frame that they endorse.

Rochus is another story, but the Diablo (Malisse) is still available (however, I believe Malisse uses a older frame that is painted like the Diablo - can't remember the name of the frame though).

Duh, everyone knows about paintjobs. My original point is the fact that Prince still has players (Rochus, Spadea, Malisse) that endorse racquets that are a decade old. A good product line manager would have introduced a new mix of traditional frames to replace or refresh those decade-old designs. Or, at least release new paintjobs like the Storm GT series (new PJ this year), NTour (with NTour 2 a year later), and the RD ti-80 (which now has three paintjobs released).

vsbabolat
03-15-2011, 07:44 PM
Every company is doing this. There is only a small percentage of top players that actually use a retail version of the frame that they endorse.

Rochus is another story, but the Diablo (Malisse) is still available (however, I believe Malisse uses a older frame that is painted like the Diablo - can't remember the name of the frame though).

Malisse uses the old Precision Retro MP.

themitchmann
03-15-2011, 08:12 PM
Duh, everyone knows about paintjobs. My original point is the fact that Prince still has players (Rochus, Spadea, Malisse) that endorse racquets that are a decade old. A good product line manager would have introduced a new mix of traditional frames to replace or refresh those decade-old designs. Or, at least release new paintjobs like the Storm GT series (new PJ this year), NTour (with NTour 2 a year later), and the RD ti-80 (which now has three paintjobs released).

Though most of us here know about the PJ issue, there are still some that are not aware.

I think updating the pjs of the older Prince sticks is a good idea, though I don't think it's entirely necessary.

themitchmann
03-15-2011, 08:13 PM
Malisse uses the old Precision Retro MP.

Thanks VS. You always come through.

lacoster
03-16-2011, 08:50 PM
I think updating the pjs of the older Prince sticks is a good idea, though I don't think it's entirely necessary.

It would be necessary if Prince wants to command premium pricing ($180-$200) for their older tour-level sticks. If they want to continue selling Diablos and Graphites for $119/$129 (the price of discontinued tour-level Cortex, RDis, and KFactors), then that's fine. Babolat can refresh a paintjob, keep the specs, and call it "latest and greatest" to charge premium pricing (i.e: new Storm GT refresh/35th Anniv. PD refresh). Maybe if Prince does this, perhaps they can pay more pro players or keep marquee players endorsed with the incremental income they make on those racquet sales (i.e: Sharapova/Davydenko).

themitchmann
03-17-2011, 03:42 AM
^^^I think some players on these boards would prefer Prince doesn't raise their prices on those frames. ;)

baseline_monster
03-17-2011, 10:53 AM
I see for one match atleast he had the Dunlop stencil on his blacked out Prince, as this is so obvious, could Prince take action or is it how I believe fine as the frame has no Prince branding other than the holes?

Carolina Racquet
03-17-2011, 11:46 AM
Prince has no issue with this because it's a blacked-out frame and he's no longer under contract with Davy. He could actually take a stock Prince frame 'as is' and put any logo on it. There's no law on this issue!

The issue here is with Dunlop, not Prince. He's got to comply with the terms of his contract with Dunlop, which typically offers an out to a player who can't adjust to their frame. The most liberal contingency here is that he can't play with a competitor's 'branded' frame. That's why he blacked out the Princes.

AlpineCadet
03-18-2011, 12:40 PM
Prince has no issue with this because it's a blacked-out frame and he's no longer under contract with Davy. He could actually take a stock Prince frame 'as is' and put any logo on it. There's no law on this issue!

The issue here is with Dunlop, not Prince. He's got to comply with the terms of his contract with Dunlop, which typically offers an out to a player who can't adjust to their frame. The most liberal contingency here is that he can't play with a competitor's 'branded' frame. That's why he blacked out the Princes.

Prince can't do much, but they def. don't enjoy seeing their frames being used by him under all that black ink.

baseline_monster
03-18-2011, 03:11 PM
Prince can't do much, but they def. don't enjoy seeing their frames being used by him under all that black ink.

I think Prince will be happy with it. As they see it, Davy left them to go Dunlop, now he still uses what is obviously a Prince frame. Just makes Prince look good and Dunlop look bad.

AlpineCadet
03-18-2011, 03:36 PM
Yes, definitely, if people can recognize the frame and buy Prince instead of Dunlop, but keep in mind that Davy hated on Prince before leaving them.

Automatix
03-20-2011, 02:26 AM
I think Prince will be happy with it. As they see it, Davy left them to go Dunlop, now he still uses what is obviously a Prince frame. Just makes Prince look good and Dunlop look bad.

But the truth is that the TT community or at least part of it is aware of paintjobs etc. but most buyers don't have a clue and will go by the info provided by the seller or the producers website.

Another thing, Davy did experiment with Head frames. So the whole Prince->Head->Prince->Dunlop->Prince roundabout isn't exactly 100% good for Prince. On one hand Davy returns to Prince (like Blake to Dunlop) but on the other hand he's in a search for something else.

jackcrawford
03-20-2011, 08:09 AM
Prince has no issue with this because it's a blacked-out frame and he's no longer under contract with Davy. He could actually take a stock Prince frame 'as is' and put any logo on it. There's no law on this issue!
.Not so, Safin tried to play with Dunlop stencil on a blacked out Head and was forced to cease and desist - you need the company's permission to stencil their product with your label even if blacked out.

junk
04-21-2011, 10:07 AM
So which racquet Davydenko is using in Barcelona? Is this Prince or Dunlop?

http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/gallery#photoViewer=urn%3Anewsml%3Asports.yahoo%2C getty%3A20050301%3Aten%2Cphoto%2C08bae937f97b40d81 a626dc95d72e63e-getty-tennis-atp-barcelona-almagro-davydenko%3A1

http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/gallery#photoViewer=urn%3Anewsml%3Asports.yahoo%2C getty%3A20050301%3Aten%2Cphoto%2Cf29324693d00abf54 9bba3a56449fe8c-getty-tennis-atp-barcelona-almagro-davydenko%3A1

http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/gallery#photoViewer=urn%3Anewsml%3Asports.yahoo%2C getty%3A20050301%3Aten%2Cphoto%2Ca2ed3cd8fb256393d 8025daed3fc34a2-getty-tennis-atp-barcelona-almagro-davydenko%3A1

kimguroo
04-21-2011, 11:23 AM
So which racquet Davydenko is using in Barcelona? Is this Prince or Dunlop?


he used dunlop rackets and I felt he does not play well since he switch to dunlop. I don't remember any good matches from him recently......

Buckethead
04-21-2011, 11:54 AM
Davydenko can do whatever He wants, He can stencil his name on the racket, He can stencil VW on it and He can stencil Dunlop.
This can't be an issue, and this is not Safin's issue.
He can go buy a Gamma racket use and put Dunlop stencil, because Dunlop pays him to promote Dunlop whether or not He is using Dunlop rackets. He can buy a mercedes and put the Dunlop Logo on, will mercedes sue him for that??
If anybody buys Dunlop racket because they see Davydenko with the Dunlop stencil, it is out of Dunlop's hands, who says Davydenko is using the Dunlop stencil not to promote his Dunlop apparel or a bag??
The only reason why He has it blacked out it is because He isn't sponsored by Prince, but that doesn't exclude him from using Prince rackets. He is a player and He is a consumer, therefore He can buy 100 Prince rackets if He wants and I bet Prince will not tell all the shops in the world not to sell Prince rackets to Davydenko.
Once Gustavo Kuerten had only the Luxilon stencil on his HEAD racket, did everybody think He was using Luxilon rackets? If so, it's up to you.
The truth is all these racket changes messed him up pretty badly.

Uvijek Argen
04-21-2011, 12:09 PM
He also change string set up, from full bed poly star energy, to gut main, energy cross. That could mess him up too.

vsbabolat
04-21-2011, 02:51 PM
Davydenko can do whatever He wants, He can stencil his name on the racket, He can stencil VW on it and He can stencil Dunlop.
This can't be an issue, and this is not Safin's issue.
He can go buy a Gamma racket use and put Dunlop stencil, because Dunlop pays him to promote Dunlop whether or not He is using Dunlop rackets. He can buy a mercedes and put the Dunlop Logo on, will mercedes sue him for that??
If anybody buys Dunlop racket because they see Davydenko with the Dunlop stencil, it is out of Dunlop's hands, who says Davydenko is using the Dunlop stencil not to promote his Dunlop apparel or a bag??
The only reason why He has it blacked out it is because He isn't sponsored by Prince, but that doesn't exclude him from using Prince rackets. He is a player and He is a consumer, therefore He can buy 100 Prince rackets if He wants and I bet Prince will not tell all the shops in the world not to sell Prince rackets to Davydenko.
Once Gustavo Kuerten had only the Luxilon stencil on his HEAD racket, did everybody think He was using Luxilon rackets? If so, it's up to you.
The truth is all these racket changes messed him up pretty badly.

HEAD did not even want Safin to put a Dunlop stencil on a blacked out Prestige Classic 600. HEAD was successful in court in getting a injunction against Dunlop and Safin stopping them.

But Davydenko is with some prototype Dunlop made for him today in Barcelona. NO port holes.
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/Davydenko_2011_Barcelona_1.jpg

themitchmann
04-21-2011, 02:59 PM
^^^He looks really happy with that frame...

of course, does he ever look happy?

Lemoned
04-21-2011, 03:19 PM
It seems like Dunlop let him use Prince racquets until they made a modified prototype for him? He said it gave him a better serve but he couldn't execute his ground strokes.

junk
04-22-2011, 12:21 PM
HEAD did not even want Safin to put a Dunlop stencil on a blacked out Prestige Classic 600. HEAD was successful in court in getting a injunction against Dunlop and Safin stopping them.

But Davydenko is with some prototype Dunlop made for him today in Barcelona. NO port holes.
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/Davydenko_2011_Barcelona_1.jpg

exactly my question - i don't see any prince port holes so wonder which racquet is that?

junk
04-22-2011, 12:27 PM
http://i53.tinypic.com/ifr12f.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/2upwm89.jpg

the racquet in this picture (used in Dubai) which looks like Davydenko's old trusted Prince Ozone Tour doesn't look the same as the racquet he used in Barcelona

themitchmann
04-22-2011, 03:08 PM
exactly my question - i don't see any prince port holes so wonder which racquet is that?

Probably a Dunlop prototype. They're probably trying to make something he likes as much as his Prince.

THESEXPISTOL
04-22-2011, 03:54 PM
The racquet looks a lot like the O3 tour without holes.

forthegame
04-22-2011, 03:59 PM
Davydenko should sort out his head, then his racquet, in that order!

He never really looks happy so it's tough to know if the new racquet was bothering him in his match/collapse.

AlpineCadet
04-22-2011, 04:20 PM
It's a Radical Tour, he's going the same route as Sharapova!