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asifallasleep
03-10-2011, 07:01 AM
As posted by Agassi-Fan:

Dont know if anyone mention this already but there was just a great article on tennis.com with an interview with Sampras after his Garden match with Agassi.

Sampras said he is working with "Wilson" about developing him a new raquet and that is why he is using a blacked out frame. He was very specific about saying he is with "Wilson" and that they are developing him a new frame. He never mention babalot at all and didnt speak about how he has been using their frame for the past few months.

http://www.tennischannel.com/news/Ne...px?newsid=8756

excerpt:

Sampras has been trying some different frames over the last six months and used one of those in New York against Agassi, but as he explains, “Wilson and I are working together on a racket that works for me. The strings with these new frames have given me the ability to hit the ball flat with control and it helps me generate more power and spin on the rest of my shots. The technology has got to a point where it is as far as you can possibly take it. With these powerful rackets, it gives me the ability to swing hard and have control while generating a lot more spin. I can feel it on my second serve and on high backhands. It is easier to generate more power from above my shoulder, and you can just really feel the spin. It is easier on my body and easier on my arm. It really makes tennis more tolerable to play. I remember playing Verdasco last year in San Jose and his ball was jumping and kicking. A lot of it is the way guys are hitting the ball but a lot of it is the technology as well. I have enjoyed experimenting and coming full circle from a guy who didn’t want to try anything to a guy willing to try a lot of different rackets and strings. But at the end of the day I am working with Wilson to find the right one for me.”

JoelDali
03-10-2011, 07:04 AM
I was right all along.

Babs = fail

:D

flargosa
03-10-2011, 07:05 AM
I have a feeling this is going to be a close replica of the Babolat Sampras was using.

bcart1991
03-10-2011, 07:06 AM
I was right all along.

Babs = fail

:D

Or, he likes the Pure Storm so much, he told Wilson to make one for him...

JRstriker12
03-10-2011, 07:16 AM
Just a quick thought. If it's come to this point, where basically, Sampras is probably not going to be playing with something very similar to what he used to play with and is very similar to other modern frames - why does Wilson bother working so hard to come up with a new Sampras stick?

I can see the appeal of the nostalgia of playing with a classic Sampras frame, as it might give you a glimpse of the classic feel of an older frame and represents his achievements in the past. However, I don't see the attraction of buying the latest Sampras stick if it's just a reflection of what other players are using now, but doesn't have much of a connection with Pete's achievements other than his name on it.

My two cents FWIW…

JoelDali
03-10-2011, 07:20 AM
The biggest LOL in all of this is to see what Rajeev Rampras does now.

Nuke
03-10-2011, 07:28 AM
Just a wild guess here, but I'll bet some endorsement money had something to do with all this. When Sampras quit, the Wilson money dried up. When he started showing up for these exo's, he must have asked for a new endorsement deal and didn't get what he wanted. So maybe he picked up the Babolat to shame Wilson into coughing up a few bucks, and now they've come through.

dominikk1985
03-10-2011, 07:38 AM
Could this all be a big show by wilson?

I mean: he uses a bobolat and talks about how much a modern racket helps him. he even advises federer to use a bigger frame.

And now he "developing" a new super racket from wilson and when it's ready he will talk about how great it is. and then anyone wants to have that new "wonderweapon".

Much more publicity for wilson and the new racket, then if he had stayed with his old frame.

And it works. look how many threads there are about rogers and petes racket. people here act like the racket would make all the difference.

I would not be surprised if roger will then also change to that new frame. (likely just a little stiffer and larger frame like wilson already has a ton of) and then both act like it's a revolution. would be a great set up.

JRstriker12
03-10-2011, 08:11 AM
Could this all be a big show by wilson?

I mean: he uses a bobolat and talks about how much a modern racket helps him. he even advises federer to use a bigger frame.

And now he "developing" a new super racket from wilson and when it's ready he will talk about how great it is. and then anyone wants to have that new "wonderweapon".

Much more publicity for wilson and the new racket, then if he had stayed with his old frame.

And it works. look how many threads there are about rogers and petes racket. people here act like the racket would make all the difference.

I would not be surprised if roger will then also change to that new frame. (likely just a little stiffer and larger frame like wilson already has a ton of) and then both act like it's a revolution. would be a great set up.

Publicity - true, but I wonder if it will end up with any sales? What's the appeal of a new Sampras super stick if the only thing it's winning are exhibitions and matches on the "senior" tour?

BTW- No way Federer switches to a Sampras branded racket. His signature is already on the 6.1 - no way he gives up that endorsement money.

http://img.tennis-warehouse.com/new_big/61TBLX-3.JPG

JoelDali
03-10-2011, 08:12 AM
BTW- No way Federer switches to a Sampras branded racket. .


Do u honestly think a single person here would think that?

JRstriker12
03-10-2011, 08:18 AM
Do u honestly think a single person here would think that?

Ahem..... (see quote below).

...
I would not be surprised if roger will then also change to that new frame. (likely just a little stiffer and larger frame like wilson already has a ton of) and then both act like it's a revolution. would be a great set up.

JoelDali
03-10-2011, 08:19 AM
Ahem..... (see quote below).

My apologies, oye...

:D

JRstriker12
03-10-2011, 08:19 AM
My apologies, oye...

:D

No prob :)

JoelDali
03-10-2011, 08:25 AM
I don't see Pete using a Bab copy with a Wilson label.

Look out for a KPS 93.

leonidas1982
03-10-2011, 08:33 AM
The biggest LOL in all of this is to see what Rajeev Rampras does now.

He's already switched to the pure storm.

What I find interesting is even though he's gone to a larger frame Sampras still leads up his racket to 13.9oz.

JoelDali
03-10-2011, 08:36 AM
He's already switched to the pure storm.

Understood, my point is, once he hears Pete has a new Wilson stick will he switch and follow his hero.

Devilito
03-10-2011, 09:19 AM
Understood, my point is, once he hears Pete has a new Wilson stick will he switch and follow his hero.

Rampras is already in talks to go back to Wilson the moment the new Petros sticks come out. He’s probably losing sleep at night hoping they’ll take him back

JoelDali
03-10-2011, 09:25 AM
Ram switched to Babs around the same time Pete was demoing if I'm not mistaken.

:D

Devilito
03-10-2011, 09:30 AM
Ram switched to Babs around the same time Pete was demoing if I'm not mistaken.

:D

Rampras doesn't even try to hide it anymore. He's embracing his fanboyism

JoelDali
03-10-2011, 09:31 AM
Seriously, if he switches in the next 6 months I will LOL so effen loud.

TennezSport
03-10-2011, 09:35 AM
Ron Rocchi told me that Wilson was going to get Pete back, when I asked him about it, last Oct. Guess he was really serious, especially since Wilson has been trying to get Pete to go to a bigger frame for some time. I am sure that Fed has also toyed with the proto when he was practicing with Pete recently. No matter what they come out with, I am sure that Wilson will have a good campaign to move the frame.

Cheers, TennezSport :cool:

Devilito
03-10-2011, 09:36 AM
Seriously, if he switches in the next 6 months I will LOL so effen loud.

honestly, i'd be more surprised if he didn't switch. And i'm not joking either. I mean this is Rampras. What kind of contract do you think Rampras has with babolat. Probably 1/2 price racquets and a free McDonalds combo every second week. I doubt they have him locked into a million dollar contract

Devilito
03-10-2011, 09:41 AM
Ron Rocchi told me that Wilson was going to get Pete back, when I asked him about it, last Oct. Guess he was really serious, especially since Wilson has been trying to get Pete to go to a bigger frame for some time. I am sure that Fed has also toyed with the proto when he was practicing with Pete recently. No matter what they come out with, I am sure that Wilson will have a good campaign to move the frame.

Cheers, TennezSport :cool:

Petros says he plans on competing for at least another few years so i'm sure Wilson is going to rush getting something out quickly to maximize Petros' public uptime.

CzechM8
03-10-2011, 10:31 AM
As posted by Agassi-Fan:
Sampras has been trying some different frames over the last six months and used one of those in New York against Agassi, but as he explains, “Wilson and I are working together on a racket that works for me. The strings with these new frames have given me the ability to hit the ball flat with control and it helps me generate more power and spin on the rest of my shots. The technology has got to a point where it is as far as you can possibly take it. With these powerful rackets, it gives me the ability to swing hard and have control while generating a lot more spin. I can feel it on my second serve and on high backhands. It is easier to generate more power from above my shoulder, and you can just really feel the spin. It is easier on my body and easier on my arm. It really makes tennis more tolerable to play. I remember playing Verdasco last year in San Jose and his ball was jumping and kicking. A lot of it is the way guys are hitting the ball but a lot of it is the technology as well. I have enjoyed experimenting and coming full circle from a guy who didn’t want to try anything to a guy willing to try a lot of different rackets and strings. But at the end of the day I am working with Wilson to find the right one for me.”

This piece of news can be read in two ways. The cynical, the "half-empty" part would say that out of the entire, wide range of Wilson racquets, there's not a single one he want to play with :evil:

junk
03-10-2011, 10:39 AM
This piece of news can be read in two ways. The cynical, the "half-empty" part would say that out of the entire, wide range of Wilson racquets, there's not a single one he want to play with :evil:

it's not the point that wilson don't have a suitable racket. since they discontinued kps88, they need a new racquet with sampras' name on it - there are enough nostalgic ***********s who'd want to get their idol's new racquet. few would argue that sampras' name would not sell more racquets than mardy fish's or feliciano lopez's or many other pros not named federer or del potro...

Rabbit
03-10-2011, 11:50 AM
and yet...the KPS 88 was really a failiure, even with Sampras' name on it. Wilson, if they go down this road again, needs to make a (dare I say it) a more everyman's frame.

Wilson must have been reading the boards where the majority swear they play with a 14 ounce stick balanced even and with a small head. Fact is, those players are:

In the vast majority
Don't buy gear like lower levels
When they do buy gear, are super conscience of priceThe KPS88 was EXACTLY what the boards said they wanted, and it turned out to be a turd no one could polish.

With regard to Sampras and a million dollar deal, those are extremely rare and based on performance and other tough to hit marks. I've been told by someone very much in the know that when Sampras was on tour and #1, he didn't get $1 from Wilson.

Wilson gave him 1st pick of the St. Vincents (Courier got the left overs) for free and basically acquired enough to ensure his career would finish out. But Sampras was very stubborn to the point that he wouldn't allow Wilson to freshen his cosmetics, forget re-cosmeticizing his ProStaff ala Edberg.

And to bring up Edberg, there was a point in his career when he left Wilson and went to Adidas in an all-encompassing deal like Lendl had. Clothes, shoes, and racquet were all Adidas. Edberg did this during the Masters one year when it was still played as MSG. There was a problem though, Edberg's arm began to hurt. He ditched the Adidas frame and went back to Wilson.

He only had a round black stenil on his frame though. This was to indicate that he used Bow Brand Gut. He ascended to #1 in the world and still...no red W. He was asked about this, how was it that he was #1 in the world and didn't have a racquet contract. Edberg smiled and said "I guess no one wants me." Edberg did get his Wilson deal, but it wasn't for millions.

It wasn't for millions, and think about this. Edberg was 'discovered' and initially signed to Wilson by a then Wilson scout, Tony Pickard. Tony Pickard? Why that is also the name of Edberg's career long coach. It's no coincidence, they are one in the same. You would think if anyone could get Edberg a better deal or a quick deal, it'd have been Pickard.

Net of it is, and just recently Lindsay Davenport said it on Tennis Channel while commentating, players don't make that much money off racquet endorsements. They make far more off tournaments. If the reverse were true, you'd see players changing frames all the time and manufacturers in bidding wars. Manufacturers periodically 'clean house' and release players. A month before announcing thier deal with Prince, the Bryan brothers were lauding their Wilson frames after winning the Tennis Channel Open in Las Vegas. I'd never seen them do that before or since. Reckon they were trying to show Wilson they'd do sales work?

Everyone will mention Roger Federer's $2M/year deal with Wilson. I don't know the particulars of the deal and if life time means til he dies or his career does. I would imagine there are some pretty stringent performance goals there as well.

The commentators were also criticizing Djokovic for changing racquets like he did. Apparently the old retired pros agree with Davenport. They keep it the same as long as they can.

Truth be told, there's only been one time in the history of the sport when pros changed gear en masse. It was when wood was phased out and they had to plain and simple.

Does anyone really think Wilson would give Sampras anything close to what Federer is making or that he'd sell that much? Sampras was never the marketing machine that Agassi was.

CDestroyer
03-10-2011, 12:24 PM
Cool thread bro.Wonder if this new Wilson / Sampras frame will be a box beamed 100 inch racquet. That would help Sir Shanks Alot too (Fed).I can't wait to see what Wilson unveils.Of course it will have PWS.:smile:

leonidas1982
03-10-2011, 01:10 PM
Understood, my point is, once he hears Pete has a new Wilson stick will he switch and follow his hero.

Yeah, that would be interesting.

dominikk1985
03-10-2011, 01:35 PM
Publicity - true, but I wonder if it will end up with any sales? What's the appeal of a new Sampras super stick if the only thing it's winning are exhibitions and matches on the "senior" tour?

BTW- No way Federer switches to a Sampras branded racket. His signature is already on the 6.1 - no way he gives up that endorsement money.

http://img.tennis-warehouse.com/new_big/61TBLX-3.JPG

Well Rog gets the endorsement money from Wilson. He doesn't get it for a specific racket, but for representing wilson. he couldn't care less which name is on the frame...

they wouldn't even need to call it sampras frame.

JRstriker12
03-10-2011, 02:17 PM
Well Rog gets the endorsement money from Wilson. He doesn't get it for a specific racket, but for representing wilson. he couldn't care less which name is on the frame...

they wouldn't even need to call it sampras frame.

Maybe, maybe not - we'd have to see his contract. But you don't 16 Grand Slams and have zero say in what sort of promotions your sponsor can push on you.

I'm betting that Fed has some control over which specific racket carries his signature and/or whether he would endorse a racket carrying another player's name (which I find to be highly unlikely as it reduces his marketability and lends his creditability to another player) - same reason why Pete will have his own stick and not market Fed's stick.

There's endorsement money - player Y uses brand X...
and then there's the added money that any athlete would negotiate to associate their name and signature specifically with a brand (Federer, Jordan, Rafa, Tiger, etc....).

If a company thinks that simply throwing your signature on a racket or putting an RF monogram on a T-shirt will help them make more money then you can be sure that your name has more value than the next guy, and any agent or athlete with half a brain is going to request more money from a company if their particular signature appears endorsing a certain product. He drops that signature and he loses the additional endorsement money.

From a personal stand-point, there's a chance Fed may not care that much, but from a financial and marketing standpoint - you bet he does!

Anyway, it looks like Pete will get his own stick, just like they did before with the KPS88. Producing some new stick and not putting Pete's name on it, as you suggest, totally misses the point of all this hype and fuss over Wilson signing Pete to endorse their product in the first place - the added value of having Pete's name on a racket.

Say Chi Sin Lo
03-10-2011, 02:33 PM
I'm not going to lie, the KPS88 was a failure in my book. Some people liked it, and some people don't. I tried it for a week and holy crap, that thing was like a club!

The balance on that thing was all wrong. I was fine with the swingweight because my racquets are leaded up to similar weight. But at 6pts headlight, the KPS88 felt like a hammer on the groundies.

sixone90
03-10-2011, 04:42 PM
Will We Finally Get A Box Beam With 95" Headsize?!

Harry_Wild
03-10-2011, 04:42 PM
Interesting development! Wonder what the new racket will be like! Maybe Samprass will move to a bigger racket - a 90 sq.in. frame size! LOL!

leonidas1982
03-10-2011, 05:12 PM
I often wondered why he strung so tight and leaded up so much as he wanted more power and spin (especially for French Open and the last few years of his career). The recent change is definitely interesting and I'm sure analyzed by many.

Mick
03-10-2011, 05:26 PM
that's pretty weird that they would develop a new racquet for someone who has retired and would only use this racquet in the exhibition matches.

leonidas1982
03-10-2011, 05:30 PM
that's pretty weird that they would develop a new racquet for someone who has retired and would only use this racquet in the exhibition matches.

Well current pros could use it just as current pros used the Jack Krammer ProStaff. Who knows, maybe Del Potro and Raonic will use it as they idolized Sampras. Rajeev Ram will definitely use it.

Mick
03-10-2011, 05:31 PM
Well current pros could use it just as current pros used the Jack Krammer ProStaff. Who knows, maybe Del Potro and Raonic will use it as they idolized Sampras. Rajeev Ram will definitely use it.

ah. that would make a lot more sense. thanks. i didn't think of it :)

dominikk1985
03-10-2011, 05:32 PM
Maybe, maybe not - we'd have to see his contract. But you don't 16 Grand Slams and have zero say in what sort of promotions your sponsor can push on you.

I'm betting that Fed has some control over which specific racket carries his signature and/or whether he would endorse a racket carrying another player's name (which I find to be highly unlikely as it reduces his marketability and lends his creditability to another player) - same reason why Pete will have his own stick and not market Fed's stick.

There's endorsement money - player Y uses brand X...
and then there's the added money that any athlete would negotiate to associate their name and signature specifically with a brand (Federer, Jordan, Rafa, Tiger, etc....).

If a company thinks that simply throwing your signature on a racket or putting an RF monogram on a T-shirt will help them make more money then you can be sure that your name has more value than the next guy, and any agent or athlete with half a brain is going to request more money from a company if their particular signature appears endorsing a certain product. He drops that signature and he loses the additional endorsement money.

From a personal stand-point, there's a chance Fed may not care that much, but from a financial and marketing standpoint - you bet he does!

Anyway, it looks like Pete will get his own stick, just like they did before with the KPS88. Producing some new stick and not putting Pete's name on it, as you suggest, totally misses the point of all this hype and fuss over Wilson signing Pete to endorse their product in the first place - the added value of having Pete's name on a racket.

right but it's wilson paying him.

and if they say we pay you more for playing a pete sampras racket then we pay you now for your signed Roger federer racket he likely won't say no.even if roger has a contract wilson could always offer him an upgrade.

the bigger question is whether roger actually wants to play a 95-100 frame.

it's not that babolat is the only company that makes stiff 100 inch frames.
wilson already has those frames (wilson blade 98 for example). so I'm sure roger has already tested those frames. maybe he just doesn't like to play those frames.

leonidas1982
03-10-2011, 05:34 PM
ah. that would make a lot more sense. thanks. i didn't think of it :)

No problem. As exciting as Sampras' debut of the KPS88 was, the frame coming is probably generating more interest.

marosmith
03-10-2011, 05:49 PM
Remember a few months back when Maria was using a Head Radical blacked out and Prince said they were having her experiment and they were going to make her a new frame to make her happy? Guess what happened? Sounds like the same story but I guess you guys didn't notice....

AM95
03-10-2011, 06:35 PM
Ram switched to Babs around the same time Pete was demoing if I'm not mistaken.

:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDn8_qceyyI
your right!

JRstriker12
03-10-2011, 09:30 PM
right but it's wilson paying him.

and if they say we pay you more for playing a pete sampras racket then we pay you now for your signed Roger federer racket he likely won't say no.even if roger has a contract wilson could always offer him an upgrade.

the bigger question is whether roger actually wants to play a 95-100 frame.

it's not that babolat is the only company that makes stiff 100 inch frames.
wilson already has those frames (wilson blade 98 for example). so I'm sure roger has already tested those frames. maybe he just doesn't like to play those frames.

Yes, because Wilson would pay him more than he makes now (Which I think is probably Wilson's largest player sponsorship) to endorse a racket signed by a retired player..... unlikely.

BTW- What indication do you have that Fed is even thinking about changing? The only person talking about a change is Pete. Pete didn't even say anything about Fed or Fed's rackets. Kind of a big jump in logic to assume that Pete's switch has anything to do with Fed. Also, considering the success Fed has had with his current frame, I doubt he'll change any time soon.

Harry_Wild
03-10-2011, 11:20 PM
I still think there is a pretty good market of smaller frame size rackets - 85-93 sq. in frames. A lot of advance player still like the small frames. It only the beginning and immediate players that need the larger frames. Racquet manufacturers want to get these players and hold them through Tour Pros. But the more advanced players; they don't care much who is using what racquet that much as long as the racquet is want he or she likes.

Cooper_Tecnifibre4
03-10-2011, 11:37 PM
Or, he likes the Pure Storm so much, he told Wilson to make one for him...

I hate Bab as much as the next person.

But this is very true.

chippy17
03-11-2011, 07:01 AM
Will We Finally Get A Box Beam With 95" Headsize?!

are there any racquets like this on the market now?

Power Player
03-11-2011, 07:16 AM
I hate Bab as much as the next person.

But this is very true.

The Pure Storm Tour is very unBab. It has great feel and control. One of the best sticks I have ever used. You can actually hit quality drop shots and vollies with it. If it was a 93-95 sizish head with a little less power, I would tuck it in between me and my GF on a nightly basis.

Pete probably strings it at some insano high tension to tame some of it's power as well. He most likely slathers it with lead so his stringers strain their backs trying to lift it onto their machines.

There is also no cortex in this stick...thankfully. I am not sure how wilson plans to recreate the Woofer grommets, but if they build a better version of the PSTGT, I will have to try it out.

Fuji
03-12-2011, 10:53 PM
I'm excited Sampras is getting a new stick so that the KPS88 goes down even more in price LOL! Right now they are $150, but I bet once he gets a new frame they should drop another 50 bucks and I can stock up. I guess it was a pretty rare frame for people to like from the sounds of some of the other posts... I enjoy it though, It's quite fun to play around with.

PowerPlayer, if Wilson makes a jacked up version of a PSTGT I will definitely have to try it out as well! I could see that being awesome.

-Fuji

superjd
03-13-2011, 04:55 PM
i say its going to be a box beam 95 sq inch wilson something from the old pro staff moulds... :twisted:

The Baseline
03-13-2011, 05:03 PM
How crazy would it be if Sampras shocked us all and used a 100 sq inch, 25 mm tweener frame?

Devilito
03-13-2011, 05:44 PM
Petros has turned into a typical racquetaholic. He's going to go through about 5-6 new frames looking for that magic stick that will turn back the clock 15 years. He'll realize that doesn't exist and end up going back to the KPS88 or PS85 in a year or two. Mark my words

leonidas1982
03-13-2011, 05:49 PM
Petros has turned into a typical racquetaholic. He's going to go through about 5-6 new frames looking for that magic stick that will turn back the clock 15 years. He'll realize that doesn't exist and end up going back to the KPS88 or PS85 in a year or two. Mark my words

I wonder if he's ever experimented with lower tensions and less lead.

Devilito
03-13-2011, 05:54 PM
I wonder if he's ever experimented with lower tensions and less lead.

You’d be surprised how many pro tennis players really aren’t gear heads. They find a set up that works for them and just stick to that for their entire career. Posters on this forum probably know more about gear than pros because while we’re here researching and reading about it, they’re on the court playing tennis.

The Baseline
03-13-2011, 05:58 PM
You’d be surprised how many pro tennis players really aren’t gear heads. They find a set up that works for them and just stick to that for their entire career. Posters on this forum probably know more about gear than pros because while we’re here researching and reading about it, they’re on the court playing tennis.

Devlito, what a post. I agree 100 percent. I know a player who has played on the pro level and i asked him what kind of string he uses. He said he didnt even know, it was a string that the local stringer uses for everyones racquet. It ended up to be polylon ice. it just goes to show that the best use whatever feels good.

Power Player
03-13-2011, 06:19 PM
Completely true. It was like that for me with guitars. I never thought that much about it, and changing in the middle of a tour or something would freak me out. I liked everything exactly the same every night.

Also, when you are endorsed and form a relationship with that company, you spend time with those reps and they get to know what you like and don't like. You end up trusting them a lot and they will send you stuff to try out. I am sure it is the same way in tennis. Change is not good when it is your job, you form a whole different mindset.

junk
03-14-2011, 06:33 AM
You’d be surprised how many pro tennis players really aren’t gear heads. They find a set up that works for them and just stick to that for their entire career. Posters on this forum probably know more about gear than pros because while we’re here researching and reading about it, they’re on the court playing tennis.

couldn't agree more... ask some pros about their racquets and they wouldn't know if it's PT57A or E or LM Radical or Babolat VS Team or VS Touch or whatever... Change their racquet balance by 1pt or add extra 5 grams of weight and they would immediately notice it but they are not walking encyclopedias of tennis equipment like some of us on these boards (nothing wrong about that, i love when people know their stuff and that we can use these boards for finding out stuff)

gplracer
05-21-2011, 04:00 PM
I hope it is a box beam frame.

drakulie
05-21-2011, 07:29 PM
couldn't agree more... ask some pros about their racquets and they wouldn't know if it's PT57A or E or LM Radical or Babolat VS Team or VS Touch or whatever...

Agree.

Change their racquet balance by 1pt or add extra 5 grams of weight and they would immediately notice it

After stringing at Delray and actually talking to a bunch of these guys, I'm not so sure about this.

(K)evin
05-26-2011, 07:52 PM
As posted by Agassi-Fan:

Dont know if anyone mention this already but there was just a great article on tennis.com with an interview with Sampras after his Garden match with Agassi.

Sampras said he is working with "Wilson" about developing him a new raquet and that is why he is using a blacked out frame. He was very specific about saying he is with "Wilson" and that they are developing him a new frame. He never mention babalot at all and didnt speak about how he has been using their frame for the past few months.

http://www.tennischannel.com/news/Ne...px?newsid=8756

excerpt:

Sampras has been trying some different frames over the last six months and used one of those in New York against Agassi, but as he explains, “Wilson and I are working together on a racket that works for me. The strings with these new frames have given me the ability to hit the ball flat with control and it helps me generate more power and spin on the rest of my shots. The technology has got to a point where it is as far as you can possibly take it. With these powerful rackets, it gives me the ability to swing hard and have control while generating a lot more spin. I can feel it on my second serve and on high backhands. It is easier to generate more power from above my shoulder, and you can just really feel the spin. It is easier on my body and easier on my arm. It really makes tennis more tolerable to play. I remember playing Verdasco last year in San Jose and his ball was jumping and kicking. A lot of it is the way guys are hitting the ball but a lot of it is the technology as well. I have enjoyed experimenting and coming full circle from a guy who didn’t want to try anything to a guy willing to try a lot of different rackets and strings. But at the end of the day I am working with Wilson to find the right one for me.”
now if only Fed could/would use this mentality

Fee
06-06-2011, 07:40 PM
Analyze this Sampras fans and racquet geeks....

photo: http://twitpic.com/581ef2

Rabbit
06-06-2011, 09:49 PM
After stringing at Delray and actually talking to a bunch of these guys, I'm not so sure about this.

Yep, this is exactly right. For the most part, the best guys in the world don't feel that much difference. From what I've been told, the only pro with that kind of feel was Petr Korda. The guys who aren't at the top are just glad to get free gear and they play it until it absolutely falls apart.

Case in point, Nadal a few years ago was practicing during the clay court sweep. He was at a new venue practicing and all his balls were landing 6 inches out. Nobody knew what was going on until....his stringer noticed that Babolat had sent 17 gauge string instead of 15L. Surely the 17 gauge reduced the weight and the balance was more headlight???....(tongue in cheek)

Also, Tio Toni has done Nadal another favor from what I understand. Nadal's frames are not 100% matched and balanced. He goes out and plays, he uses the tournament stringing. (Note: I'm certainly not knocking those pros who do pursue this, but if Nadal can do without it....more better to him.)

The point is, it's not the fact that Federer, Djokovic, or Sampras were as good as they are due to their equipment. The fact that they were great enabled them to afford to get their equipment matched. Nadal became #1 in the world concentrating on everything but his equipment and has done well.

Adidas_Anderson
06-07-2011, 04:52 AM
I hate Bab as much as the next person.

But this is very true.

I hate Wilson... Because the W:)

adnankujundzic
11-09-2011, 09:12 PM
Since everyone claims KPS88 is crap, please ask people to get rid of them and get real sticks (whatever those may be). I will gladly get them off of everyone for $40 a pop.:)

All joking aside, while I have never played with PS85, 88 could be the best stick I ever played with. I just tried a few Babolats (for god knows what time) and while they are nice to hit with, they are, along with anything else I tried from Wilson, Prince and Head, very inferior to 88 on serves, feel/control and at the net (where I try to spend most of my time). Diablo mid is the only thing that comes even close.

If you are s&v, I just don't see many options that can compare.

Helps to be 6'5" and 220...

Hankenstein
11-09-2011, 11:24 PM
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Helps to be 6'5" and 220...

Exactly same "specs" as me :)

schap02
11-10-2011, 03:59 AM
As posted by Agassi-Fan:

Dont know if anyone mention this already but there was just a great article on tennis.com with an interview with Sampras after his Garden match with Agassi.

Sampras said he is working with "Wilson" about developing him a new raquet and that is why he is using a blacked out frame. He was very specific about saying he is with "Wilson" and that they are developing him a new frame. He never mention babalot at all and didnt speak about how he has been using their frame for the past few months.

http://www.tennischannel.com/news/Ne...px?newsid=8756

excerpt:

Sampras has been trying some different frames over the last six months and used one of those in New York against Agassi, but as he explains, “Wilson and I are working together on a racket that works for me. The strings with these new frames have given me the ability to hit the ball flat with control and it helps me generate more power and spin on the rest of my shots. The technology has got to a point where it is as far as you can possibly take it. With these powerful rackets, it gives me the ability to swing hard and have control while generating a lot more spin. I can feel it on my second serve and on high backhands. It is easier to generate more power from above my shoulder, and you can just really feel the spin. It is easier on my body and easier on my arm. It really makes tennis more tolerable to play. I remember playing Verdasco last year in San Jose and his ball was jumping and kicking. A lot of it is the way guys are hitting the ball but a lot of it is the technology as well. I have enjoyed experimenting and coming full circle from a guy who didn’t want to try anything to a guy willing to try a lot of different rackets and strings. But at the end of the day I am working with Wilson to find the right one for me.”


Just curious if the new prostaff 6.1 that will come in head sizes 95 and 100 will be sampras new stick....Sampras seems to enjoy the 98 head size od babolat - his sticks weigh a ton anyways so the "stock" specs of the new prostaff line seems like a good fit for him to customize...

Don't know why I am even writing this as 90% of the pros use custom molds and paintjobs, Im sure Sampras is along those lines

Agassi-Fan
12-11-2011, 05:57 PM
Dont know if anyone was wathcing the champions series tonight when Sampras was playing Connors, but the commentator made it very clear that he spoke with Sampras about his blacked out frame and he did clearly state that he is using a blacked out Babolot.

Don't know what is taking Wilson so long to get a prototype in Sampras' hand to start testing? You know that it must be killing them that there is no "W" painted on his racquetes anymore.

drakulie
12-11-2011, 06:51 PM
Yes, it is a pure storm blacked out. rpm blast string.

Nostradamus
12-11-2011, 07:27 PM
The biggest LOL in all of this is to see what Rajeev Rampras does now.

Rajeev will be switching to Sampras signature racket very soon.

vsbabolat
12-11-2011, 07:43 PM
Rajeev will be switching to Sampras signature racket very soon.

He has been playing with the HEAD YT Prestige.

double barrels
12-23-2011, 05:19 AM
Since everyone claims KPS88 is crap, please ask people to get rid of them and get real sticks (whatever those may be). I will gladly get them off of everyone for $40 a pop.:)

All joking aside, while I have never played with PS85, 88 could be the best stick I ever played with. I just tried a few Babolats (for god knows what time) and while they are nice to hit with, they are, along with anything else I tried from Wilson, Prince and Head, very inferior to 88 on serves, feel/control and at the net (where I try to spend most of my time). Diablo mid is the only thing that comes even close.

If you are s&v, I just don't see many options that can compare.

Helps to be 6'5" and 220...

88 is a stout stick. Love the feel, esp if you're putting some natural gut in it, and just bombing some serves and drop shotting like henman.
I used to be a big time S&V back in high school, I played with the ps85, was the only person I knew my age with a racket even close to that age/specs. Frames died, and I went with the ps95 6.0's for a couple years and loved them.
I too am 6'5" weigh around 210-215, so I share your passion for the serve feel. I had to switch from the older prostaffs to the newer generations with a little more head size becuase of doubles. If I had to rank them in order of best feel + serve combination as far as S&V goes, here's what I have:


rackets i've played competitive with:

1. PS85 6.0
t2. PS95 9.0
t2. KPS88
4. BLX6.1 95 (current frame)
5. Babolat Pure Drive Org. (w/lead )(most generated aces probably)
6. HyperProstaff 7.6
7. PSTour 90
8. ROK
9. Babolat Pure Control Org. (with lead)

While I play better with the blx 95, I have a ton of more fun playing with the 88 stick. Not sure why, I went ahead and listed those rackets, maybe bored at work since its friday before xmas, but whatever.

bottomline, live on serve and volleyers, go pete, and go tall people that aren't afraid of the net...classic