PDA

View Full Version : TW`s stringjob


getsby
03-22-2011, 04:54 AM
I'm not a pro and I can not evaluate the work of stringers, based on their feelings. But visually, the question arose. I just received my order, which was 3 rackets (different, but it does not matter). In all three racquets I picked the same string, ALU POWER. No combinations, one set for each racket. To my surprise, all strung rackets have different number of nodes. 2 or 4. What does it mean? Stringer puts not set, and remains, pieces?

dadozen
03-22-2011, 05:08 AM
Different racquets demand different stringjobs, sometimes.

For example, most Head racquets must be strung with 4 knots( 2 piece ), while Wilson, Dunlop and Babolat racquet can be strung with 2 knots( 1 piece ).

I'm pretty sure TW follows the manufacturer's instructions when stringing the racquets.

GPB
03-22-2011, 05:22 AM
yep, no problems here!

getsby
03-22-2011, 05:39 AM
Different racquets demand different stringjobs, sometimes.

For example, most Head racquets must be strung with 4 knots( 2 piece ), while Wilson, Dunlop and Babolat racquet can be strung with 2 knots( 1 piece ).

I'm pretty sure TW follows the manufacturer's instructions when stringing the racquets.
Ok, thank you very much, very positive response. I had no doubts on the quality of TW`s stringers, just was curious. :?

diredesire
03-22-2011, 12:05 PM
TW usually does 2 piece (4 knot) jobs for any racquets which mains end at the throat. This is so they can string the crosses top down (friendlier on the frame).

If you have a 2 knot job (one piece) chances are the mains ended at the head.

pvaudio
03-22-2011, 12:23 PM
^^^ We use the same racquet and I only string 2 piece. Mains end at the head.

dadozen
03-22-2011, 12:31 PM
^^^ We use the same racquet and I only string 2 piece. Mains end at the head.

That's because you use hybrids only:D

Seriously, even when using a full job, do you prefer a 2 piece stringjob? Which advantages do you see over the 1 piece?

Larrysümmers
03-22-2011, 01:03 PM
That's because you use hybrids only:D

Seriously, even when using a full job, do you prefer a 2 piece stringjob? Which advantages do you see over the 1 piece?

me personally, i dont like doing 1 piece, i just prefer 2

pvaudio
03-22-2011, 01:25 PM
That's because you use hybrids only:D

Seriously, even when using a full job, do you prefer a 2 piece stringjob? Which advantages do you see over the 1 piece?No sir, I only recently started using hybrids. Up until I started my playtest thread, I only played with full bed poly (since I started stringing, that is). Even when doing a full bed, I only do 2-piece. I just find it so much faster than 1 piece. You have less string to deal with, and it's more methodical. String mains, string crosses, done. Not string most of mains, string most of crosses, finish mains, finish crosses (or what have you depending on the pattern. Maybe it's the engineer in me that likes the methodical approach :)

dadozen
03-22-2011, 01:49 PM
No sir, I only recently started using hybrids. Up until I started my playtest thread, I only played with full bed poly (since I started stringing, that is). Even when doing a full bed, I only do 2-piece. I just find it so much faster than 1 piece. You have less string to deal with, and it's more methodical. String mains, string crosses, done. Not string most of mains, string most of crosses, finish mains, finish crosses (or what have you depending on the pattern. Maybe it's the engineer in me that likes the methodical approach :)

Oh I see!:D I'm a engineer myself as well( welll, still studying to be one:p ) and a 2 piece does seem easier, at least when I watch the stringers doing their job.

I just placed an order for a Gamma X6FC, so I'm trying to collect as much info as I can so I don't mess up anything

pvaudio
03-22-2011, 02:05 PM
Ahh, another one! Where do you go to school?

smucker007
03-22-2011, 02:59 PM
There is no problem with that..some racquets you have a choice to do 1pc or 2pc other racquets you are required to do 1pc or 2pc. Its a personal preference if there is an option of 1 or 2 pc stringing. I personally like 2pc because it is just easier to string.

mikeler
03-22-2011, 03:26 PM
Ahh, another one! Where do you go to school?


What type of engineer?

nalvarado
03-22-2011, 03:35 PM
me personally, i dont like doing 1 piece, i just prefer 2

Stringing one piece is a major PITA.

getsby
03-22-2011, 03:57 PM
I think each stringer has their own opinion, consider it most appropriate. Me one argued that if I pull 2 pieces, quickly comes to pull the new string. You do not know whom to believe.

stringwalla
03-22-2011, 05:55 PM
It's my observation that professional players prefer 1 piece top to bottom in most cases unless it's a hybrid obviously.

It's one thing to discuss what we stringers prefer to do, but when stringing for others, what do they prefer?-

pvaudio
03-23-2011, 06:48 AM
It's my observation that professional players prefer 1 piece top to bottom in most cases unless it's a hybrid obviously.

It's one thing to discuss what we stringers prefer to do, but when stringing for others, what do they prefer?-I can't speak about pros, but for my stringing, I have an option for the customer to specify if they want a specific method or knot type. Only tournament players tend to even know what that means. Even then, I know D1 players who just hit with the string they like strung up by who ever happens to be stringing at the time. Unless you're at the pro level, the difference is so negligible that it really won't make any difference in your playing.

stringwalla
03-24-2011, 03:08 PM
Only tournament players tend to even know what that means. Even then, I know D1 players who just hit with the string they like strung up by who ever happens to be stringing at the time. Unless you're at the pro level, the difference is so negligible that it really won't make any difference in your playing.

Agreed, their work orders sometimes request "4 knots". If they couldn't see the knots, I doubt even top pro's could notice a difference. They just care that the tension is on and the strings are straight as hell-

pvaudio
03-24-2011, 03:15 PM
What type of engineer?
Electrical here, but not working. Just getting my 20's worth of education aka graduate school :)

mikeler
03-24-2011, 04:32 PM
Electrical here, but not working. Just getting my 20's worth of education aka graduate school :)


Delay working as long as you can!

struggle
03-24-2011, 04:51 PM
it could indicate that the rackets were not strung by the same individual.
not a big deal in this case (or any case, perhaps), but if you had three matching sticks you'd probably prefer them strung by the same stringer (if possible and if a competent stringer).

I do.

alidisperanza
03-26-2011, 08:06 AM
Seriously, even when using a full job, do you prefer a 2 piece stringjob? Which advantages do you see over the 1 piece?

Like some of the other posters added-- I find it easier. So much less to deal with. Also, if you're working with a string that's sensitive to bending/kinking/birds-nesting (aka gut) it's a lot less stress on the string.

I don't know the exact stature here, but I feel like 2 pc has better tension maintenance. Shorter string is restricted within 2 fixed knots-- instead, 1 pc you get the stretch factor from the full string being pulled. Who knows-- just my .02

Stringing one piece is a major PITA.

Stupid extra length gets caught on EVERYTHING including the cat

The Wreck
03-26-2011, 05:12 PM
TW usually does 2 piece (4 knot) jobs for any racquets which mains end at the throat. This is so they can string the crosses top down (friendlier on the frame).

If you have a 2 knot job (one piece) chances are the mains ended at the head.

My friend picked up a K Surge 100 and it came strung even though he had said he didn't want it. He gave it to me to string and I, just glancing, saw it only had two knots and so planned on doing it one piece. After I looked closer I realized the mains ended at the throat and yet TW still strung it one piece. I know Wilson's instructions say you "can" do it, but I still thought it was fairly poor, unaccepted practice.

pvaudio
03-26-2011, 05:38 PM
^^^ If it's not a warranty voiding stringjob, then it really doesn't matter. A properly secured racquet won't be negatively affected by a 1 piece moreso than a 2 piece.

The Wreck
03-26-2011, 06:33 PM
^^^ If it's not a warranty voiding stringjob, then it really doesn't matter. A properly secured racquet won't be negatively affected by a 1 piece moreso than a 2 piece.

Warranty voiding and poor practice are different things.

If I heard ANYONE say it's okay to string from the throat up, I'd do it on all my Wilson frames. But I've never heard one person say it's a good idea, even if it is within the "rules".

diredesire
03-29-2011, 10:56 AM
My friend picked up a K Surge 100 and it came strung even though he had said he didn't want it. He gave it to me to string and I, just glancing, saw it only had two knots and so planned on doing it one piece. After I looked closer I realized the mains ended at the throat and yet TW still strung it one piece. I know Wilson's instructions say you "can" do it, but I still thought it was fairly poor, unaccepted practice.

Did it have a stencil on it? Some frames come pre-strung, I have no idea whether or not that's the case on the K Surge...

As far as preference, I don't care IF the mains end at the head. I would personally string syn guts 1pc, polys 2pc. 1 PC isn't so bad if you pre-lace, which I do. It actually will help speed things up (you don't ever have to search for a string end on the long side, at least). I also will weave the top cross with the remainder of the short side, this helps balance any tension loss out on the last cross (short side). This isn't standard practice, but I have had "pros" and high level college players do a "mains check" on the outermost mains to gauge the "goodness" of a stringer. It's dumb, but they don't know the difference.

pvaudio
03-29-2011, 11:29 AM
Warranty voiding and poor practice are different things.

If I heard ANYONE say it's okay to string from the throat up, I'd do it on all my Wilson frames. But I've never heard one person say it's a good idea, even if it is within the "rules".....As was my point. If it doesn't void the warranty, 2 vs 1 piece doesn't really matter and is usually up to stringer's preference. How the racquet is strung is a different matter entirely. Double pulling doesn't void the warranty, but it's a bad stringing practice. It's completely irrelevant for this thread, however.

domhas1
03-29-2011, 03:15 PM
Delay working as long as you can!

I echo this sentiment...I started working a year and a half ago and man I wish I could be back in school...

diredesire
03-29-2011, 06:43 PM
I echo this sentiment...I started working a year and a half ago and man I wish I could be back in school...

I just finished my Master's in EE, and I'm starting work in a few weeks. I've done some extended (6/9 mo) internships, and I'm pretty sure I'll be feeling the same way... :(

pvaudio
03-29-2011, 07:02 PM
You guys aren't filling me with much confidence, and diredesire is helping the least :lol:

mikeler
03-30-2011, 04:24 AM
I just finished my Master's in EE, and I'm starting work in a few weeks. I've done some extended (6/9 mo) internships, and I'm pretty sure I'll be feeling the same way... :(

Congrats on the job. It's a tough time for engineers in the job market.


You guys aren't filling me with much confidence, and diredesire is helping the least :lol:

The paycheck is nice, the reduction in time is not. :neutral:

pvaudio
03-30-2011, 06:42 AM
Haha, this really isn't helping at all; maybe I will just go on to the Ph.D just to delay even longer :D

diredesire
03-30-2011, 08:44 AM
Congrats on the job. It's a tough time for engineers in the job market.




The paycheck is nice, the reduction in time is not. :neutral:
Thanks!

The reduction in time is truly the big one for me. If you find a job that you absolutely love, and are doing something that you find personal satisfaction in, then you'll be fine. If you have interests outside of work (hobbies, pastimes, etc) then you'll be hurting, IMO. I personally like to build stuff, and pursue technical interests (I like stringing, and I personally think it's a pretty technical hobby, among other things). For instance, I want to build a DIY, cheap RDC equivalent. Having a job really kills your free time. If you live closeby, you wake up at ~7-8, work from 8-9 AM until 5-6 PM. If you cook for yourself (assume living alone), you'll spend at least an hour (factor in cleanup and a very simple meal). After that you've got 2-4 hours depending on how much sleep you want to get per day. It kind of sucks! It doesn't sound too terrible at first, but the grind really gets to you. You'll really start appreciating your weekends, and you'll miss the time-freedom of school. There's a lot more structure, though, and some people crave that.

Haha, this really isn't helping at all; maybe I will just go on to the Ph.D just to delay even longer :D
A Ph.D is just a full time job that pays way less ;) I'm not saying "real life" is a drag, but you just appreciate HOW MUCH free time you had in school. That's really the main point: appreciate what you got ;) Play lots of tennis.

mikeler
03-30-2011, 09:01 AM
Thanks!

The reduction in time is truly the big one for me. If you find a job that you absolutely love, and are doing something that you find personal satisfaction in, then you'll be fine. If you have interests outside of work (hobbies, pastimes, etc) then you'll be hurting, IMO. I personally like to build stuff, and pursue technical interests (I like stringing, and I personally think it's a pretty technical hobby, among other things). For instance, I want to build a DIY, cheap RDC equivalent. Having a job really kills your free time. If you live closeby, you wake up at ~7-8, work from 8-9 AM until 5-6 PM. If you cook for yourself (assume living alone), you'll spend at least an hour (factor in cleanup and a very simple meal). After that you've got 2-4 hours depending on how much sleep you want to get per day. It kind of sucks! It doesn't sound too terrible at first, but the grind really gets to you. You'll really start appreciating your weekends, and you'll miss the time-freedom of school. There's a lot more structure, though, and some people crave that.


A Ph.D is just a full time job that pays way less ;) I'm not saying "real life" is a drag, but you just appreciate HOW MUCH free time you had in school. That's really the main point: appreciate what you got ;) Play lots of tennis.


You may find that take out for dinner or pre-packaged meals are a great option. Dinner just seems like another chore for me. I used to do all my yard work and here in Florida, 9 months out of the year that can steal a few hours of your week. My father-in-law bought a year of lawn service as a gift about 10 years ago. I have not mowed the lawn since. My point is that you may find that it is worth some of your money to free up a little time. I also figure that I save $12-$15 on every string job so that makes me feel a little better about paying for the lawn service.

MuscleWeave
04-01-2011, 09:31 AM
Haha, this really isn't helping at all; maybe I will just go on to the Ph.D just to delay even longer :D

Go for the PHD (if that's an option), become a professor, and never leave school.

MW