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mikeler
03-26-2011, 01:49 PM
Original post:

First off, this may be a very short thread since I've not played with polys at all the last 18 months. I strung up a full bed today of PolyStar Energy (PE) 17 at 50 pounds and a hybrid of Weiss Cannon Black 5 Edge (B5E) 17 at 50 pounds with Mantis Comfort Synthetic (MCS) 16 at 55 pounds.

Stringing the PE was not too bad on the mains. Knots are harder on polys, I forgot about that! The crosses were tough because the string is so slippery. The B5E mains were a breeze and MCS is the easiest string for me to work with, so the 2nd racket probably took half the time of the first.

I bounced some balls off both setups and compared them to my 3rd racket with the multifilament Babolat Addiction at 60 pounds. The PE felt the softest, followed by the B5E hybrid and then the Addiction. We'll see how they perform in battle. I plan on playing a set tomorrow with each poly setup.

All strings (except B5E/ThB) were put in my Babolat Pure Storm Tour Plus (non GT) with a leather grip. B5E/ThB was in my Pro Kennex 7Gs. I play with heavy spin on most shots at a 4.5 level and 95% of my matches are on Har-Tru. I string on a Gamma X-ST lockout machine. Rankings below:

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Update, I'm now testing full poly setups in my new Prince Tour 100T ESP frames.

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Full poly

One of my favorite strings playability wise but it has broken on me 4 times on shank, 3 times in an hour:
Discho Iontec Salmon 16 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8060378&postcount=1047) Warning, this string is prone to early breaks on shanks on the Prince Tour 100T ESP


1. Volkl Cyclone Tour 16 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8327609&postcount=1412)
2. Ytex Quadro Twist Black 16L (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8581880&postcount=1623)
3. Golden Set Snake-Bite 16 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8387724&postcount=1457)
4. Volkl Cyclone 16 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8137914&postcount=1210)
5. Wilson Ripspin 15 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8172979&postcount=1314)
6. Prince Tour XC 15 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7940664&postcount=812)
7. Tecnifibre Razor Code 16 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8074863&postcount=1079)
8. Weiss Cannon Scorpion 15 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8106180&postcount=1129)
9. Tourna Big Hitter Black 7, 16g (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7976097&postcount=872)
10. Kirschbaum Spiky Black Shark 16 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8054396&postcount=1032")
11. Gamma Moto 16 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7975738&postcount=866)
12. Weiss Cannon Black 5 Edge 17 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8080019&postcount=1082)
13 Solinco Tour Bite Soft 16 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8090694&postcount=1097)
14 Topspin Cyber Flash 15 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8212859&postcount=1332")
15. Head Hawk 17 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7938063&postcount=795)
16. Signum Pro Poly Plasma 16 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8134822&postcount=1203)
17. Dunlop Ice 16 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8201659&postcount=1318)
18. Yonex Poly Tour Pro 16L (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7957512&postcount=827)
19. Prince Beast XP 15 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8119359&postcount=1171)
20. Genesis True Grit 16 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8169317&postcount=1306)
21. Prince Tour XS 15L (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8064947&postcount=1063)
NR Tecnifibre X-Code 16 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8082080&postcount=1085)

Poly main hybrids

1. Weiss Cannon Black 5 Edge 17 mains/Genesis Thunder Blast 16 crosses (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=6108216&postcount=701)
2. Weiss Cannon Black 5 Edge 17 mains/Mantis Comfort Synthetic 16 crosses (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5550540&postcount=266)
3. Weiss Cannon Black 5 Edge 17 mains/Tecnifibre Multifeel 16 crosses (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5605046&postcount=409)
4. Solinco Tour Bite Soft 17 mains/Babolat NVY 16 crosses (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7365121&postcount=784)
5. Signum Pro Tornado 17 mains/Weiss Cannon Explosiv 16 crosses (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5573199&postcount=320)
6. Genesis Black Magic 17 mains/Weiss Cannon Explosiv 16 crosses (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5605024&postcount=408)
7. Dunlop Black Widow 17 mains/Mantis Comfort 16 crosses short discussion (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=5615242)

I did try Signum Pro Hyperion as a main but it bugged my elbow.

Poly/poly hybrid
1. Weiss Cannon Black 5 Edge 17 mains/Prince Tour XC black 15 crosses (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8244864&postcount=1355)
2. Volkl Cyclone 16 mains/Wilson Ripspin 15 crosses (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8397508&postcount=1483)

Other polys I've tried include Pro Supex Big Ace as a main string (used this for about a year) and Luxilon Big Banger Original which wrecked my arm.

Jeepers
03-26-2011, 01:54 PM
Cant wait for the reviews :twisted:

Torres
03-26-2011, 01:54 PM
I hope you're going to test strings for more than an hour before reviewing them this time.

JackB1
03-26-2011, 02:09 PM
I have one of my racquets strung with full B5E.

mikeler
03-26-2011, 02:16 PM
I have one of my racquets strung with full B5E.

How does it play.


I hope you're going to test strings for more than an hour before reviewing them this time.

I'll take as much time as necessary to get a feel for the string and update if needed. If you don't like that approach then start your own thread. :)

bad_call
03-26-2011, 02:18 PM
this player doesn't need more than 1 hour to make a reasonable playing assessment. optimal string tension plays a significant role during evaluation. unfavorable conditions (weather, etc) should be viewed as such. however assessing durability, tension maintenance and playability requires a greater amount of time.

mikeler - welcome to the poly hybrid hitters. good luck in your search.

bad_call
03-26-2011, 02:19 PM
I have one of my racquets strung with full B5E.

whattt....:shock: you're living on the edge. :)

mikeler
03-26-2011, 02:39 PM
The X1 review will be updated tonight.

mikeler
03-26-2011, 02:42 PM
I reserve the right to cut out string when I darn well please. If that tarnishes the review, I don't care. I'm just trying to provide information. Use it at your own risk!

JackB1
03-26-2011, 03:17 PM
How does it play.




I'll take as much time as necessary to get a feel for the string and update if needed. If you don't like that approach then start your own thread. :)

Just strung the B5E today

mikeler
03-26-2011, 03:19 PM
Just strung the B5E today


Seemed relatively soft to me.

SteveI
03-26-2011, 03:48 PM
I reserve the right to cut out string when I darn well please. If that tarnishes the review, I don't care. I'm just trying to provide information. Use it at your own risk!

Hey Mikeler,

Thanks for your efforts. I have found these reviews to be quite helpful. You have to look at Mikeler's playing style.. level.. frame and the fact that he plays a ton on clay.. and lives in a very southern state and adjust your insights due to those factors. There are so many strings.. so many frames.. tension.. and hybrid set-ups these days it can be quite crazy to select a set-up that will match your frame, swing speedswing length and skill set. All of these reviews help reduce the field and give you a nice place to start your quest. They are not intended guide you to the perfect set-up.. If you want that... pay a pro to watch you play.. and then have them chat with a very experienced MRT.. all at your cost.

Again...thanks Mike!! Keep up the good work!

Steve

mikeler
03-26-2011, 04:50 PM
Hey Mikeler,

Thanks for your efforts. I have found these reviews to be quite helpful. You have to look at Mikeler's playing style.. level.. frame and the fact that he plays a ton on clay.. and lives in a very southern state and adjust your insights due to those factors. There are so many strings.. so many frames.. tension.. and hybrid set-ups these days it can be quite crazy to select a set-up that will match your frame, swing speedswing length and skill set. All of these reviews help reduce the field and give you a nice place to start your quest. They are not intended guide you to the perfect set-up.. If you want that... pay a pro to watch you play.. and then have them chat with a very experienced MRT.. all at your cost.

Again...thanks Mike!! Keep up the good work!

Steve


Thanks Steve. You really summed up my thoughts well. There are way too many variables involved to think a single review will help you find that perfect setup. I'm behind on the poly curve anyways, so anything I review in this thread you'll be able to compare in quite a few other threads. With the multifilament strings, in some cases there were no other reviews anywhere so my goal was to put something out there sooner rather than later to help the masses.

Chace
03-26-2011, 05:42 PM
Hey Mikeler, I enjoyed your thread on multis and look forward to your review of polys Thanks for all your time and info.

NLBwell
03-26-2011, 06:44 PM
Hooray for the Mikeler's polys thread!

Power Player
03-26-2011, 07:11 PM
Mikeler, I am staring at some Solinco Outlast that I think you may need to try. It is inexpensive, soft, and apparently has incredible playability.

Also I would suggest Mosquito Bite by Weiscannon, since it is a real thin string in the lines of Big Ace. I am about to string up a full bed at 50#s myself and I will let you know how it hits.

Other string I am trying out again is Hyperion, this time the thinner gauge..all softer polys listed here..but I am going full poly and not hybriding.

Doubles
03-26-2011, 07:14 PM
Power Player, have you used outlast? It's on my list of strings to try...

bad_call
03-26-2011, 07:26 PM
Torres,

I'm sorry my experiences did not match yours exactly. You are right and I am wrong. I apologize to the thousands or maybe millions I've duped into buying awful strings. I'll confess at church tomorrow for my sins.

mikeler - my attorney doesn't think i have much of a case and suggests settling out of court for some DF 90. :) i tend to agree.

BigT
03-26-2011, 09:07 PM
What did you use 18 months ago?

mctennis
03-26-2011, 10:28 PM
Hey Mikeler,

Thanks for your efforts. I have found these reviews to be quite helpful. You have to look at Mikeler's playing style.. level.. frame and the fact that he plays a ton on clay.. and lives in a very southern state and adjust your insights due to those factors. There are so many strings.. so many frames.. tension.. and hybrid set-ups these days it can be quite crazy to select a set-up that will match your frame, swing speedswing length and skill set. All of these reviews help reduce the field and give you a nice place to start your quest. They are not intended guide you to the perfect set-up.. If you want that... pay a pro to watch you play.. and then have them chat with a very experienced MRT.. all at your cost.

Again...thanks Mike!! Keep up the good work!

Steve

Excellent statement and I ditto your remarks Steve.

JT_2eighty
03-27-2011, 02:34 AM
Yea, if B5e and PE work out for you, SP Hyperion and WC mosquito bite are two definite comfy polys to go for next.

Lambsscroll
03-27-2011, 04:26 AM
Reviews based on the first hour or two of play are useless. His review of X-1 for example was nonsensical because it gives a completely inaccurate representation of that string.

It is sensical because he reviewed all the others the same way. No where in his multifilament thread did he say all strings will be tested for true performance after 2 hours of hitting. By the way if a club player or even a PRO for that matter has their racket strung wouldn't that person want all the good attributes from that string right from the get go? Further more many string testers find X-one holds tension well. Look at year 2010 and 2009 from this link. The 2009 poll is under Polls in the upper left portion of the page. http://www.stringforum.net/string2010.php

Torres
03-27-2011, 05:07 AM
Look at year 2010 and 2009 from this link. The 2009 poll is under Polls in the upper left portion of the page. http://www.stringforum.net/string2010.php

You REALLY are slow on the update. The flaws with the polling methodology on Joe's has been answered time and time again on this forum. Just for your benefit - since you obviously have trouble reading and understanding the difference between good and bad testing methodology - they send out an email with a poll of 5 different string under different categories. Some idiot who has only played 1 or 2 of those strings, votes for the 1 or 2 even though they haven't played with the other 3 or 4. Joe's polling favors whatever string is most common or well known, not necessarily what offers the best performance.

ANYONE who has played with X1 knows that it turns into a trampolining catapult after a couple of hours. Its crisp, its soft, but it becomes far too elastic and too powerful too quickly. ANYONE who hits hard, has alot of racquet head speed, or hits through the court will not favor that string. It's a string for players who can't generate their own power, have short or compact stroke, or low swing speeds. Those are typically lower level players or older players.

Torres
03-27-2011, 05:47 AM
You cant possibly know if the string testers wrote reviews before testing all five. Your also assuming the play testers aren't giving their true depiction of the strings. The biggest problem I find with your argument against X-one is your experience is from 18g x-one NOT x-one 16g that Mike used.

Its funny you should say that because only last night I hit with my friends T-Fight 320 strung with....16g. So that's the 1.18 and 1.24 that I've played to destruction, and now the 1.30 that played with at 3-4 hours in. Unless you're old, have weak arms, have slow or compact swings, and don't hit through the court, it's a rocket launching trampoline after a couple of hours. It will probably suit you very well.

Lambsscroll
03-27-2011, 06:05 AM
Unless you're old, have weak arms, have slow or compact swings, and don't hit through the court, it's a rocket launching trampoline after a couple of hours. It will probably suit you very well.

Lol, you keep going back to poor playability after 2 hours. Mike's reviews weren't about string performance after 2 hours.

Torres
03-27-2011, 06:24 AM
Lol, you keep going back to poor playability after 2 hours. Mike's reviews weren't about string performance after 2 hours.

Which is why those reviews - particularly the X-1 review - are flawed.

Lambsscroll
03-27-2011, 06:41 AM
Which is why those reviews - particularly the X-1 review - are flawed.

He stated in his first paragraph he wasn't taking into account price or durability only playability to him. There for the reviews weren't flawed. http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=352048

JackB1
03-27-2011, 08:00 AM
Which is why those reviews - particularly the X-1 review - are flawed.

Mikeler...this guy is obviously hell bent on disproving your string reviews, when ALL THE REST OF US understand what you are doing and find it all very helpful. I am not sure why he just doesn't let it rest...he made his point? If I were you, I would just ignore his points from here on out since he isn't saying anything new. Don't get involved in a pointless argument that just goes around and around.

junk
03-27-2011, 08:17 AM
Which is why those reviews - particularly the X-1 review - are flawed.

torres, we get your point - x1 sux, and mikeler's review's are flawed and meaningless. no need to repeat this over and over again. many followers of mikeler's thread(s) are smart enough to realize that there many factors to take into consideration before buying reels of whatever string just because mikeler reviewed them. give the guy some credit - he's doing a great job and many of us are enjoying reading his observations. btw, i don't like x1 either - it doesn't play nearly as well as the price would suggest but so what - i don't put my bitter comments 100 times so everybody knows that x1 is not my favorite string

mikeler
03-27-2011, 08:18 AM
Well I hit the PolyStar Energy 17 first this morning. It was a little stiffer than I had hoped but no arm problems. At 2-2 in the first set, I hit a forehand off the bottom of the racket and snapped it. A few other guys who are stringers looked at it and told me the grommets looked fine. I thought the same thing. Guess I'll see if I can get a replacement set but I'm probably out of luck. All I can say is that I hit a decent drop shot on the one I tried. This did seem to have a lot of spin.

So I used the B5E/MCS hybrid the rest of the 2.5 sets I played. I lost the first 4 games I played with that string. Definitely a different feeling than a full multi job. Once I got it dialed in, I played fairly well with it. Spin did not seem overwhelming but it was pretty nice in all areas of the game. I'll post a full review after I've hit with it some more.

Thanks everyone for the soft poly suggestions. Keep 'em coming.

bad_call
03-27-2011, 08:27 AM
^ reads like the PE might be too fragile for your game. agree that the B5E is solid all around. the MCS cross didn't work as well for this player with B5E tho a stiffer cross does.

mikeler
03-27-2011, 08:39 AM
^ reads like the PE might be too fragile for your game. agree that the B5E is solid all around. the MCS cross didn't work as well for this player with B5E tho a stiffer cross does.


I'm more concerned about arm health in my first foray back. Maybe in a few more months I can graduate to your preferred setup. :)

JackB1
03-27-2011, 08:44 AM
Well I hit the PolyStar Energy 17 first this morning. It was a little stiffer than I had hoped but no arm problems. At 2-2 in the first set, I hit a forehand off the bottom of the racket and snapped it. A few other guys who are stringers looked at it and told me the grommets looked fine. I thought the same thing. Guess I'll see if I can get a replacement set but I'm probably out of luck. All I can say is that I hit a decent drop shot on the one I tried. This did seem to have a lot of spin.

So I used the B5E/MCS hybrid the rest of the 2.5 sets I played. I lost the first 4 games I played with that string. Definitely a different feeling than a full multi job. Once I got it dialed in, I played fairly well with it. Spin did not seem overwhelming but it was pretty nice in all areas of the game. I'll post a full review after I've hit with it some more.

Thanks everyone for the soft poly suggestions. Keep 'em coming.

Poly does definitely feel quite different from multi. Is your B5E hybrided with the poly in the mains or the crosses? I also agree that spin isn't "overwhelming" compared to multi's, but don't expect miracles. Spin is about 85% technique and 15% string. The poly will assist u a bit. I notice the difference in the last few feet of a groundstroke. With a poly, it seems to dive a little more at the end of it's arc. A multi seems to have a more "even" arc....if that makes any sense. Do u have a kick serve? You might notice a difference there as well.

mikeler
03-27-2011, 08:46 AM
Poly does definitely feel quite different from multi. Is your B5E hybrided with the poly in the mains or the crosses? I also agree that spin isn't "overwhelming" compared to multi's, but don't expect miracles. Spin is about 85% technique and 15% string. The poly will assist u a bit. I notice the difference in the last few feet of a groundstroke. With a poly, it seems to dive a little more at the end of it's arc. A multi seems to have a more "even" arc....if that makes any sense. Do u have a kick serve? You might notice a difference there as well.


I have a kick serve but it is awkward for my shoulder at the moment to hit, so it is not a great shot at the moment.

mikeler
03-27-2011, 08:48 AM
What did you use 18 months ago?


Big Ace 16 mains with Gamma synthetic gut 16 crosses.

mikeler
03-27-2011, 08:50 AM
Torres must have left me the 1 star on my thread. Kind of stupid that you can vote for your own thread, but I just did to get it up to 3. I'll post a full review of my 4 games with PolyStar Energy just to **** him off. :twisted:

bad_call
03-27-2011, 09:01 AM
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5522126&postcount=15

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5523263&postcount=38

^reads to be facing in the wind... ;)

TenFanLA
03-27-2011, 09:06 AM
Well I hit the PolyStar Energy 17 first this morning. It was a little stiffer than I had hoped...

If you found PS Energy stiff, might as well forget the rest of the polys. Energy is as soft and forgiving poly as you are gonna find.

bad_call
03-27-2011, 09:15 AM
If you found PS Energy stiff, might as well forget the rest of the polys. Energy is as soft and forgiving poly as you are gonna find.

but didn't post issues with B5E...hmmm.

Doubles
03-27-2011, 09:44 AM
Well I hit the PolyStar Energy 17 first this morning. It was a little stiffer than I had hoped but no arm problems. At 2-2 in the first set, I hit a forehand off the bottom of the racket and snapped it. A few other guys who are stringers looked at it and told me the grommets looked fine. I thought the same thing. Guess I'll see if I can get a replacement set but I'm probably out of luck. All I can say is that I hit a decent drop shot on the one I tried. This did seem to have a lot of spin.

So I used the B5E/MCS hybrid the rest of the 2.5 sets I played. I lost the first 4 games I played with that string. Definitely a different feeling than a full multi job. Once I got it dialed in, I played fairly well with it. Spin did not seem overwhelming but it was pretty nice in all areas of the game. I'll post a full review after I've hit with it some more.

Thanks everyone for the soft poly suggestions. Keep 'em coming.

Good review of the PE. I thought that it was a comfortable feeling string, but it was a bit too fragile...

mikeler
03-27-2011, 10:06 AM
but didn't post issues with B5E...hmmm.


I think the MCS crosses help a lot. If I try PE again, I would probably lower the tension.

JackB1
03-27-2011, 02:25 PM
Well I had bad luck today too. I went for a hit with my newly strung b5e and I broke it after 10 mins. Hit a ball at the very top of the hoop just under the frame and it broke right at the grommet. Felt OK for the brief time I had with it. Power was on the low side with nice spin. No "wow" factor so far though. Not sure how soon I'll get to try it again?

mikeler
03-27-2011, 03:59 PM
Well I had bad luck today too. I went for a hit with my newly strung b5e and I broke it after 10 mins. Hit a ball at the very top of the hoop just under the frame and it broke right at the grommet. Felt OK for the brief time I had with it. Power was on the low side with nice spin. No "wow" factor so far though. Not sure how soon I'll get to try it again?


That is the nature of poly strings. Shanks will snap them. No more full poly beds for me...for now.

Power Player
03-27-2011, 05:37 PM
I am really loving this set of black Magic in my prestige. It has an amazing pocketing feel that the mosquito bit does not give me. If you do ever go full poly, Black Magic is incredible in certain sticks in the high 40s/low 50s.

FedererBestTennis
03-27-2011, 06:12 PM
Well I hit the PolyStar Energy 17 first this morning. It was a little stiffer than I had hoped but no arm problems. At 2-2 in the first set, I hit a forehand off the bottom of the racket and snapped it. A few other guys who are stringers looked at it and told me the grommets looked fine. I thought the same thing. Guess I'll see if I can get a replacement set but I'm probably out of luck. All I can say is that I hit a decent drop shot on the one I tried. This did seem to have a lot of spin.

So I used the B5E/MCS hybrid the rest of the 2.5 sets I played. I lost the first 4 games I played with that string. Definitely a different feeling than a full multi job. Once I got it dialed in, I played fairly well with it. Spin did not seem overwhelming but it was pretty nice in all areas of the game. I'll post a full review after I've hit with it some more.

Thanks everyone for the soft poly suggestions. Keep 'em coming.

I am really loving this set of black Magic in my prestige. It has an amazing pocketing feel that the mosquito bit does not give me. If you do ever go full poly, Black Magic is incredible in certain sticks in the high 40s/low 50s.
Would Black Magic be good in a BLX 6.1 16x18? What tension do you suggest? I normally string poly at 57.5/56.5.

Agent Orynge
03-27-2011, 06:45 PM
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Some people are just so sure of themselves that they're unwilling to concede other points of view. Reminds me of this guy who swore up and down that Ashaway Dynamite was god's gift to tennis players...

mikeler
03-28-2011, 04:46 AM
I am really loving this set of black Magic in my prestige. It has an amazing pocketing feel that the mosquito bit does not give me. If you do ever go full poly, Black Magic is incredible in certain sticks in the high 40s/low 50s.

How soft is it?


The more things change, the more they stay the same. Some people are just so sure of themselves that they're unwilling to concede other points of view. Reminds me of this guy who swore up and down that Ashaway Dynamite was god's gift to tennis players...

I kind of miss that guy!

Power Player
03-28-2011, 04:54 AM
FedereBest..it could be good..I have no idea, you may just have to try it, but in the prestige it is awesome.

Mikeler, Black Magic is really soft to me, but I read hyperion is a little softer. I am not the best at asessing these things, but I know I read Drakulie is a huge fan of it as well and he seems to like pretty comfortable setups.

hoodjem
03-28-2011, 05:13 AM
The one hybrid I had highest hopes for was WC Silverstring 1.20 in the mains and X-1 in the crosses.

I had done lots of research, and believed that these two were the Rolls Royces of poly or multi, thus hybriding them would be the best of both worlds.

Boy was I disappointed when I hit with it. It was way too soft. I had never understood what people meant by "playing like mush" before, but now I understood.

It is possible that I strung them too low, but I just put them in at my normal tension I used for 20 or so hybrids before that. (But I concede they two might work at higher tensions.)

JackB1
03-28-2011, 05:15 AM
I am really loving this set of black Magic in my prestige. It has an amazing pocketing feel that the mosquito bit does not give me. If you do ever go full poly, Black Magic is incredible in certain sticks in the high 40s/low 50s.

Parden the temporary threadjack but PP, when did u switch to the Prestige? Fill me in on your recent racquet history. I have been loyal to my Becker London for the last 6 months and still loving it! It seems like the perfect racquet for me.... a "players tweener" with good pop, large sweetspot and not too heavy at 11 oz with a 325 swingweight.

Power Player
03-28-2011, 05:24 AM
Month ago to try out the small headsize. So far I am appreciating the advantages of it.

JackB1
03-28-2011, 05:32 AM
Month ago to try out the small headsize. So far I am appreciating the advantages of it.

What were u using before that again? So u are using the Prestige Mid?
Ever try the PB10 Mid? Gets an awful lot of praise around here.

Boricua
03-28-2011, 05:33 AM
What is the basic difference between Technifibre Multifeel and X1 Biphase? Is the quality the same?:)

Bartelby
03-28-2011, 05:35 AM
This guy - torres - is right. What's the point of a thread about poly stings where its originator writes:

That is the nature of poly strings. Shanks will snap them. No more full poly beds for me...for now.

We all have our preferences and set of knowledge and skills and its best to define them well rather than pretend we know everything.



Mikeler...this guy is obviously hell bent on disproving your string reviews, when ALL THE REST OF US understand what you are doing and find it all very helpful. I am not sure why he just doesn't let it rest...he made his point? If I were you, I would just ignore his points from here on out since he isn't saying anything new. Don't get involved in a pointless argument that just goes around and around.

JackB1
03-28-2011, 05:37 AM
That is the nature of poly strings. Shanks will snap them. No more full poly beds for me...for now.

Me neither. It's all personal preference, but for ME, it's not worth the tradeoff. The little bit of extra spin I get isn't worth it. I much prefer the feel and touch I get with a soft multi or gut main. After my racquet with full B5E snapped, I picked up my nat gut/copoly racquet and it was like "why did I ever leave you? " :)

For me, poly's work well as a cross with a nat gut or multi main. Gives a little extra spin and tames the power of the soft mains. That's all I will use them for from now on.

Bartelby
03-28-2011, 05:38 AM
So the thread is about hybrids?

Boricua
03-28-2011, 05:48 AM
Has anyone tried Weiss Cannon Explosiv? :)

mikeler
03-28-2011, 06:18 AM
What is the basic difference between Technifibre Multifeel and X1 Biphase? Is the quality the same?:)

Has anyone tried Weiss Cannon Explosiv? :)


Post it in my multis thread.

Boricua
03-28-2011, 06:21 AM
How does it play.




I'll take as much time as necessary to get a feel for the string and update if needed. If you don't like that approach then start your own thread. :)

Wow, you guys get a little bit tense sometimes.:)

mikeler
03-28-2011, 06:24 AM
This guy - torres - is right. What's the point of a thread about poly stings where its originator writes:

That is the nature of poly strings. Shanks will snap them. No more full poly beds for me...for now.

We all have our preferences and set of knowledge and skills and its best to define them well rather than pretend we know everything.

These threads are an exploration not a pulpit.


So the thread is about hybrids?

Not quite sure what this thread is about just yet.

Boricua
03-28-2011, 06:24 AM
All you have to be clear on your methodology because then people who aren't familiar with the strings you're talking about can take your comments with a large pinch of salt. Posting a review of a string after a hour or two's play is meaningless since nobody restrings their racquets after 2 hours of play. If you start a poly thread, remember that you're playing with big boys now, not a load of 3.5 multi users who don't know better.

I smell grandiosity in the air!:)

MuscleWeave
03-28-2011, 06:25 AM
What is the basic difference between Technifibre Multifeel and X1 Biphase? Is the quality the same?:)

I haven't tried X-1, but from what I've read it's more powerful than Multifeel, which I use often. X-1 is a true multi, where Multifeel has a central core that comprises 20% of its makeup. The filaments in X-1 are better quality. But Multifeel is an excellent string and has a great price.

MW

Boricua
03-28-2011, 06:27 AM
Agreed that tension maintenance, durability and playability MAY change over time. Torres, it is my thread and I will do it my way. If you don't like it, too bad.

Just going out of your way to post your opinion (and spend money and time) is more than enough. Keep up the good work!:)

Bartelby
03-28-2011, 06:30 AM
When people's competence is stretched they get very tense.

Wow, you guys get a little bit tense sometimes.:)

Boricua
03-28-2011, 06:32 AM
Torres,

I'm sorry my experiences did not match yours exactly. You are right and I am wrong. I apologize to the thousands or maybe millions I've duped into buying awful strings. I'll confess at church tomorrow for my sins.

Who knows if Torres is the priest that is going to confess you...:)

Bartelby
03-28-2011, 06:32 AM
Grandiosity when backed by competence is excusable.



I smell grandiosity in the air!:)

Boricua
03-28-2011, 06:37 AM
You REALLY are slow on the update. The flaws with the polling methodology on Joe's has been answered time and time again on this forum. Just for your benefit - since you obviously have trouble reading and understanding the difference between good and bad testing methodology - they send out an email with a poll of 5 different string under different categories. Some idiot who has only played 1 or 2 of those strings, votes for the 1 or 2 even though they haven't played with the other 3 or 4. Joe's polling favors whatever string is most common or well known, not necessarily what offers the best performance.

ANYONE who has played with X1 knows that it turns into a trampolining catapult after a couple of hours. Its crisp, its soft, but it becomes far too elastic and too powerful too quickly. ANYONE who hits hard, has alot of racquet head speed, or hits through the court will not favor that string. It's a string for players who can't generate their own power, have short or compact stroke, or low swing speeds. Those are typically lower level players or older players.

So what multifilaments would you recommend?

Boricua
03-28-2011, 06:44 AM
I think the MCS crosses help a lot. If I try PE again, I would probably lower the tension.

Remember that copolys should be strung in low to mid forties to get a softer feel. Information about this you can find in Guts and Glory tennis site and others.:)

Boricua
03-28-2011, 06:46 AM
What is the basic difference between Technifibre Multifeel and X1 Biphase? Is the quality the same?:)

Sorry, this should go in Mikelers multis:)

barry
03-28-2011, 06:46 AM
First off, this may be a very short thread since I've not played with polys at all the last 18 months. I strung up a full bed today of PolyStar Energy (PE) 17 at 50 pounds and a hybrid of Weiss Cannon Black 5 Edge (B5E) 17 at 50 pounds with Mantis Comfort Synthetic (MCS) 16 at 55 pounds.

Stringing the PE was not too bad on the mains. Knots are harder on polys, I forgot about that! The crosses were tough because the string is so slippery. The B5E mains were a breeze and MCS is the easiest string for me to work with, so the 2nd racket probably took half the time of the first.

I bounced some balls off both setups and compared them to my 3rd racket with the multifilament Babolat Addiction at 60 pounds. The PE felt the softest, followed by the B5E hybrid and then the Addiction. We'll see how they perform in battle. I plan on playing a set tomorrow with each poly setup.

All strings were put in my Babolat Pure Storm Tour Plus (non GT) with a leather grip and two strips 3 inches long of 1/4 lead tape at 10 and 2. I play with heavy spin on most shots at a 4.5 level and 95% of my matches are on Har-Tru. I string on a Gamma X-ST lockout machine.

You should have started a review on ProBlend, it would make poly seem soft!

Good reviews!

Boricua
03-28-2011, 06:48 AM
Grandiosity when backed by competence is excusable.

Yes, but humility, for me, is a better virtue. It suits better for when you win or when you lose, in tennis, and in life.:)

Agent Orynge
03-28-2011, 06:48 AM
Grandiosity when backed by competence is excusable.

Hardly.

This is a forum: a place for sharing opinions. Unless mikeler is demanding that you accept his observations as gospel there's no need to get p-r-i-c-k-l-y over the subject. If you're going to dissent you should at least be cordial about it, not to mention add some substance to your argument. I do not find "he is wrong" to be evidence in and of itself.


*Part of p-r-i-c-k-l-y is a no-no word, apparantly...

Boricua
03-28-2011, 06:49 AM
This guy - torres - is right. What's the point of a thread about poly stings where its originator writes:

That is the nature of poly strings. Shanks will snap them. No more full poly beds for me...for now.

We all have our preferences and set of knowledge and skills and its best to define them well rather than pretend we know everything.

Wow, is this Star Wars?:)

mikeler
03-28-2011, 06:49 AM
When people's competence is stretched they get very tense.


Thank you for your in depth discussion of polyester strings.

Boricua
03-28-2011, 06:51 AM
Has anyone tried Weiss Cannon Explosiv? :)

Wow, this Star Wars thing got me really, really confused, this question should also go in Mikelers Multis!:)

Power Player
03-28-2011, 07:00 AM
What were u using before that again? So u are using the Prestige Mid?
Ever try the PB10 Mid? Gets an awful lot of praise around here.

Yeah Prestige Mid. I considered the Black Ace as well, but I like combo of a little lower swingweight and higher static weight. I blame Bad Call for this switch because I always loved hitting with his prestige. lol.

My soft poly string experiences so far in the prestige :

Black Magic 17 - 9.5/10
Mosquite Bite 18- 7.5/10
B5e hybrid 17 - 8.5/10
Hexonic 18 - 6.5/10

Pending:

Solinco Outlast 17
Hyperion 17

mikeler
03-28-2011, 07:13 AM
Yeah Prestige Mid. I considered the Black Ace as well, but I like combo of a little lower swingweight and higher static weight. I blame Bad Call for this switch because I always loved hitting with his prestige. lol.

My soft poly string experiences so far in the prestige :

Black Magic 17 - 9.5/10
Mosquite Bite 18- 7.5/10
B5e hybrid 17 - 8.5/10
Hexonic 18 - 6.5/10

Pending:

Solinco Outlast 17
Hyperion 17


When I first got my PSTs, I hit with a Solinco Tour Bite, Solinco Vanquish hybrid that felt pretty nice.

Bartelby
03-28-2011, 07:20 AM
I'm sorry, but you just admitted that you don't even use polyester strings, so you are out of your depth.



Thank you for your in depth discussion of polyester strings.

bad_call
03-28-2011, 07:20 AM
FWIW - one hitting partner who uses a Pure Drive also snaps poly at the grommet when catching one of my bomb serves near the top part of the hoop. could be that certain frames are more susceptible to this.

Power Player
03-28-2011, 07:21 AM
You may like the outlast then since it is inexpensive and soft. That is the word on the street.

I also liked polystar energy, but it may have been a little too soft.

Bartelby
03-28-2011, 07:23 AM
Yes, well, mike should just issue threads about specific topics rather than trying to colonize areas of knowledge in which he has a self-proclaimed lack of interest.


Wow, this Star Wars thing got me really, really confused, this question should also go in Mikelers Multis!:)

JT_2eighty
03-28-2011, 07:26 AM
Yeah Prestige Mid. I considered the Black Ace as well, but I like combo of a little lower swingweight and higher static weight. I blame Bad Call for this switch because I always loved hitting with his prestige. lol.

My soft poly string experiences so far in the prestige :

Black Magic 17 - 9.5/10
Mosquite Bite 18- 7.5/10
B5e hybrid 17 - 8.5/10
Hexonic 18 - 6.5/10

Pending:

Solinco Outlast 17
Hyperion 17

Curious how you would rank Polystar Energy17? It plays well in dense patterns, IMO. So did Big Ace Micro 1.15

But, I'd say Hyperion is the one to beat. Not only soft, powerful, but control is top notch and tension maintenance it's a beast.

JT_2eighty
03-28-2011, 07:27 AM
rather than trying to colonize areas of knowledge

someone is taking the tennis forums too serious

Bartelby
03-28-2011, 07:31 AM
Sharing opinions does not involve starting threads where one's own name seems to be the defining feature.



Hardly.

This is a forum: a place for sharing opinions. Unless mikeler is demanding that you accept his observations as gospel there's no need to get p-r-i-c-k-l-y over the subject. If you're going to dissent you should at least be cordial about it, not to mention add some substance to your argument. I do not find "he is wrong" to be evidence in and of itself.


*Part of p-r-i-c-k-l-y is a no-no word, apparantly...

bad_call
03-28-2011, 07:44 AM
Sharing opinions does not involve starting threads where one's own name seems to be the defining feature.

i'm thinking you and mikeler have history...no?

Lambsscroll
03-28-2011, 07:45 AM
Sharing opinions does not involve starting threads where one's own name seems to be the defining feature.

I think Mike earned the signature Mikeler's Polys due to the overwhelming success of Mikeler's Multis. Which I might add has 1,532 replies and 43,359 views at the moment.

Bartelby
03-28-2011, 07:47 AM
Thank you for confirming that a franchise is the main aim of his threads.



I think Mike earned the signature Mikeler's Polys due to the overwhelming success of Mikeler's Multis. Which I might add has 1,532 replies and 43,359 views at the moment.

Bartelby
03-28-2011, 07:50 AM
The fact is that if people want to set up fan clubs around particular topics it might best belong in odds and ends.


i'm thinking you and mikeler have history...no?

Boricua
03-28-2011, 07:51 AM
Curious how you would rank Polystar Energy17? It plays well in dense patterns, IMO. So did Big Ace Micro 1.15

But, I'd say Hyperion is the one to beat. Not only soft, powerful, but control is top notch and tension maintenance it's a beast.

Could it be good as a cross with gut as a main? How would it compare with Black 5 Edge as a cross string?:)

Boricua
03-28-2011, 07:54 AM
i'm thinking you and mikeler have history...no?

They should play a tennis match and the winner play Torres!

If Mike wins all, Torres and Bartleby finance Mike"s indoor court.:)

Lambsscroll
03-28-2011, 07:54 AM
Thank you for confirming that a franchise is the main aim of his threads.

Lol, a franchise that doesn't make any money but has a free service of sharing information. For this he gets scolded by you.

Boricua
03-28-2011, 07:55 AM
Thank you for confirming that a franchise is the main aim of his threads.

At least we have pretty witty guys around, even if they fight online.:)

bad_call
03-28-2011, 08:00 AM
At least we have pretty witty guys around, even if they fight online.:)

this one enjoyed reading Bart's posts in the now defunct section (unlike others that posted verbose fiction and tried to passed it on as factual only to be disputed by another who had actual experience).

Jeepers
03-28-2011, 08:03 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D08pYuDioOc&playnext=1&list=PL9CFE7CACAF3A7E94

Bartelby
03-28-2011, 08:05 AM
Yes, well, there are many more things than money that people collect in order to enhance their prestige.



Lol, a franchise that doesn't make any money but has a free service of sharing information. For this he gets scolded by you.

pvaudio
03-28-2011, 08:08 AM
All you have to be clear on your methodology because then people who aren't familiar with the strings you're talking about can take your comments with a large pinch of salt. Posting a review of a string after a hour or two's play is meaningless since nobody restrings their racquets after 2 hours of play. If you start a poly thread, remember that you're playing with big boys now, not a load of 3.5 multi users who don't know better.
You have no idea how hard I just facepalmed myself. Djokovic and the Bryans used X-1 Biphase before going to their current hybrids. I would say they're pretty big boys.

Bartelby
03-28-2011, 08:09 AM
Conflict is a normal part of human affairs that even children engage in, although adults like to write sentimental lyrics stating the opposite, as you've just amply demonstrated.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D08pYuDioOc&playnext=1&list=PL9CFE7CACAF3A7E94

Bartelby
03-28-2011, 08:11 AM
I would say he was not referring to these people, as you should very well know.


You have no idea how hard I just facepalmed myself. Djokovic and the Bryans used X-1 Biphase before going to their current hybrids. I would say they're pretty big boys.

pvaudio
03-28-2011, 08:11 AM
Doesn't bother whether I like it or not. Some of your comments I agree with, others are just wildly unrepresentative of the string which you claim to have reviewed properly. I'm more concerned about the people who rush out to buy string X or string Y based on your 1 hour reviews and then find out that its nothing like your review.No take that back, this one almost broke my nose when I facepalmed. If you're too stupid to realize that someone is reviewing a string, likely strung at a tension you don't use, a racquet you've never played with, playing a style that you don't and possibly play on an entirely different surface, AND you go rushing to the store to get the string they tout as great....a fool and his money are easily parted. Your concern is noted, but it's quite frankly, stupid.

pvaudio
03-28-2011, 08:20 AM
How are people on this forum so stupid? If anything, this thread will be a priceless tool for those who have arm problems. mikeler doesn't play with poly because he needs a soft string. Finding a super playing poly setup that doesn't hurt would be wonderful for people with TE and shoulder issues. Stop complaining that he doesn't know enough about polys: that's exactly why this thread is great. It's 100% objective.

Bartelby
03-28-2011, 08:26 AM
This is a priceless thread
started by someone who does not play poly
and because he knows nothing
he is a 100% objective

Yes, well, it's best that people don't start threads that cannabalize a whole forum, especially given they have no particular expertise.

Jeepers
03-28-2011, 08:29 AM
Surely the point of trying new strings is because you havent tried them already?

Agent Orynge
03-28-2011, 08:35 AM
Sharing opinions does not involve starting threads where one's own name seems to be the defining feature.

That's debatable. Let's go one step further while we're at it and say that sharing opinions does not involve asserting one's overbearing selfrighteousness.

Bartelby
03-28-2011, 08:40 AM
Yes, well, why don't you debate that point given that you raised it rather than engaging in an ad hominem attack.



That's debatable. Let's go one step further while we're at it and say that sharing opinions does not involve asserting one's overbearing selfrighteousness.

Agent Orynge
03-28-2011, 08:43 AM
Yes, well, why don't you debate that point given that you raised it rather than engaging in an ad hominem attack.

Deja Vu? You sound like a fellow I've already scared off these boards once...

Could it be? Or is it some other poor soul who think he knows how to argue because he read a wiki article on the term 'ad hominem'?

Bartelby
03-28-2011, 08:45 AM
Yes, well, i don't usually like to correct people, but when someone introduces one topic as a fraudulent prelude to personal abuse then I think I'm entitled to point this out.



Deja Vu? You sound like a fellow I've already scared off these boards once...

Could it be? Or is it some other poor soul who think he knows how to argue because he read a wiki article on the term 'ad hominem'?

Bartelby
03-28-2011, 08:48 AM
Agent Orange:

http://talk.onevietnam.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Agent-orange-deformities-vietnam.jpg

Boricua
03-28-2011, 08:50 AM
Now from Star Wars I feel like in a Law and Order episode, specifically in the court room. The accused, the defendant and the prosecutor. Wow, this is interesting!:)

Bartelby
03-28-2011, 08:52 AM
Agent orynge = Mike?:


http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=339654

Power Player
03-28-2011, 08:56 AM
Curious how you would rank Polystar Energy17? It plays well in dense patterns, IMO. So did Big Ace Micro 1.15

But, I'd say Hyperion is the one to beat. Not only soft, powerful, but control is top notch and tension maintenance it's a beast.

Polystar energy feels great but drops tension pretty quick and aggressively. So there is that point in a match situation where you have to adjust or go to a backup. Soft polys have improved so much over the last year, that we are seeing more that seem to hold tension a little better while retaining softness and playability.

Definitley pumped about trying the hyperion next.

Power Player
03-28-2011, 08:57 AM
Agent orynge = Mike?:


http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=339654

No..not the same person.

mikeler
03-28-2011, 09:00 AM
No..not the same person.


Don't tell anyone my name is not Mike...

mikeler
03-28-2011, 09:02 AM
this one enjoyed reading Bart's posts in the now defunct section (unlike others that posted verbose fiction and tried to passed it on as factual only to be disputed by another who had actual experience).


Bart single handedly shut down that section based on his daily posts.

Bartelby
03-28-2011, 09:02 AM
Somebody thinks that agent orynge should be addressed as Mike.



No..not the same person.

Power Player
03-28-2011, 09:07 AM
Somebody thinks that agent orynge should be addressed as Mike.

Inspector, have faith in me when I tell you once again that it is not the same person.

Bartelby
03-28-2011, 09:08 AM
I'd like to think this was the case, and not because I want to shut anything down. The fact is that this section went on unchallenged with endless right-wing diatribes for years without the slightest sign that it would be closed down.



Bart single handedly shut down that section based on his daily posts.

Bartelby
03-28-2011, 09:13 AM
Inspector, have faith in me when I tell you once again that it is not the same person.


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6ciuQCsnpHE/TUwAyRvXQbI/AAAAAAAAAoo/EJWmUcwww1k/s1600/Lady-from-Shanghai.jpg

Power Player
03-28-2011, 09:16 AM
How can I and other Florida players play tennis with Mikeler if he lives in Cali? I am just curious if you would fly across the country for a hit, because I know I wouldn't.

Seriously, you are making yourself look silly over nothing.

mikeler
03-28-2011, 09:18 AM
How can I and other Florida players play tennis with Mikeler if he lives in Cali? I am just curious if you would fly across the country for a hit, because I know I wouldn't.

Seriously, you are making yourself look silly over nothing.


But at least he posts great pictures and has not contributed any knowledge related to polyester strings.

Bartelby
03-28-2011, 09:25 AM
I've made no comments about the geographical location of anyone, so you seem to think you know something completely unimportant ... congratulations.


How can I and other Florida players play tennis with Mikeler if he lives in Cali? I am just curious if you would fly across the country for a hit, because I know I wouldn't.

Seriously, you are making yourself look silly over nothing.

Agent Orynge
03-28-2011, 09:38 AM
Bart, you've found me out! Yes, my real name is Michael, hence the reason I do business by that name in the classifieds. It's a fairly common name, so far as I can tell. Had I the time or inclination I might even tell you what it means, since I did study hebrew for all of a heartbeat.

At any rate, I'm more than a little amused that this is the best you could come up with to delegitimize my posts. I'm sure you see the irony in your 'ad hominem' comment now...

Doubles
03-28-2011, 09:55 AM
Mikeler has said he doesn't play polyester so there will be nothing productive here in any event.

But he's going to start playing with polyester, so it can be a benefit for people who have had tennis elbow but like what poly offers. By your logic the fact that I have rarely played with gut means that if I strung up a set right now and posted my thoughts they wouldn't be useful, right? All information can be useful to someone, it's just about how you are able to apply and use what you learn...

Bartelby
03-28-2011, 09:56 AM
He specifically said he's not playing poly, only hybrids.


But he's going to start playing with polyester, so it can be a benefit for people who have had tennis elbow but like what poly offers. By your logic the fact that I have rarely played with gut means that if I strung up a set right now and posted my thoughts they wouldn't be useful, right? All information can be useful to someone, it's just about how you are able to apply and use what you learn...

Bartelby
03-28-2011, 10:24 AM
Threads should be about specific topics. People who try to colonize fora by creating threads and branding them with their own names and then channeling numerous discussions under their brand are performing everyone a disservice.

If you want to form a fan club of Mike's Mavens then there is ample room in Odds and Ends.

Power Player
03-28-2011, 10:30 AM
But he's going to start playing with polyester, so it can be a benefit for people who have had tennis elbow but like what poly offers. By your logic the fact that I have rarely played with gut means that if I strung up a set right now and posted my thoughts they wouldn't be useful, right? All information can be useful to someone, it's just about how you are able to apply and use what you learn...

Let's add to the fact that Mikeler plays a TON of tennis. Seriously. Add in that polys have changed dramatically in the past 1-2 years where now articles are being written that full copoly jobs between 30 and 50 pounds can be easier on the arm then gut, and there is really have no reason to criticize the thread.

I started a thread specific to my racquet and finidng the right setup for it. The only difference is I did not use my name in the title, and frankly that is just nit picking.

mikeler
03-28-2011, 10:32 AM
Let's add to the fact that Mikeler plays a TON of tennis. Seriously. Add in that polys have changed dramatically in the past 1-2 years where now articles are being written that full copoly jobs between 30 and 50 pounds can be easier on the arm then gut, and there is really have no reason to criticize the thread.

I started a thread specific to my racquet and finidng the right setup for it. The only difference is I did not use my name in the title, and frankly that is just nit picking.


I did use Big Ace mains for almost a year too before that wrecked my elbow.

GlenK
03-28-2011, 10:41 AM
Find this thread very beneficial. Read the first post and it was made clear where he stood on poly's and the purpose of the thread.
If I had not liked it, would have just moved on.

I play with a full bed of Supersense and it has been discontinued. Am a bit panicked now about finding a replacement. Need all the help and guidance on poly's I can find.

pvaudio
03-28-2011, 10:47 AM
Oh my goodness, I'm so sorry mikeler. I don't know how this got turned into a horrid mess with only 2 reviews, and 7 pages of useless banter.

Kcraig
03-28-2011, 10:53 AM
Oh my goodness, I'm so sorry mikeler. I don't know how this got turned into a horrid mess with only 2 reviews, and 7 pages of useless banter.

Agreed--just scrolled through the thread trying to get some useful info and turns out it was all filled with crap and no substance by some dude name bart??:-? I am actually interested in Mike's (LOL) information on polys, even if he does decide to hybrid them--WHO CARES!!!! I and many out there find his information useful as he has been a GE sufferer and is taking baby steps back to the "big boy" poly strings (as Torres calls em). Keep up the good work MIKE or whoever the hell you really are:confused:

JT_2eighty
03-28-2011, 10:57 AM
Find this thread very beneficial. Read the first post and it was made clear where he stood on poly's and the purpose of the thread.
If I had not liked it, would have just moved on.

I play with a full bed of Supersense and it has been discontinued. Am a bit panicked now about finding a replacement. Need all the help and guidance on poly's I can find.

These are good comfort polys I've used:

Polystar Energy (softest out there, supreme power, but mediocre tension hold)
&
Signum Pro Hyperion (almost as soft, controlled powerhouse, amazing tension hold)
&
WC Mosquito Bite (in between the two in comfort, power, and tension hold; thinnest choice for those seeking 'bite')

--If you string your own, I prefer Energy because it makes you have fresh strings every 2-3 matches, and the comfort for a poly is unparalleled.

However, Hyperion is great too, it lasts at least twice as long, so if you aren't picky about that "fresh feel", then you can almost play it until it breaks (or almost a month and then cut it off if you still haven't snapped it).

Mosquito Bite is soft, and the thinnest of the three so is better for doubles and/or serve&volley style. Touch shots are the best with MB.

mikeler
03-28-2011, 10:58 AM
Find this thread very beneficial. Read the first post and it was made clear where he stood on poly's and the purpose of the thread.
If I had not liked it, would have just moved on.

I play with a full bed of Supersense and it has been discontinued. Am a bit panicked now about finding a replacement. Need all the help and guidance on poly's I can find.

Glen, pvaudio has a great playtest thread for a number of polys as does rodrigoamaral. pvaudio even takes requests for what you want him to test.


Oh my goodness, I'm so sorry mikeler. I don't know how this got turned into a horrid mess with only 2 reviews, and 7 pages of useless banter.

I'm having fun but a few posts got deleted so I guess I'll stop playing along.

mikeler
03-28-2011, 11:00 AM
Agreed--just scrolled through the thread trying to get some useful info and turns out it was all filled with crap and no substance by some dude name bart??:-? I am actually interested in Mike's (LOL) information on polys, even if he does decide to hybrid them--WHO CARES!!!! I and many out there find his information useful as he has been a GE sufferer and is taking baby steps back to the "big boy" poly strings (as Torres calls em). Keep up the good work MIKE or whoever the hell you really are:confused:

I'm just happy my elbow did not blow up after yesterday. That may indicate I can handle at least some of the softer polys.


These are good comfort polys I've used:

Polystar Energy (softest out there, but mediocre tension hold)
&
Signum Pro Hyperion (almost as soft, controlled powerhouse, amazing tension hold)
&
WC Mosquito Bite (in between the two in comfort, power, and tension hold)

--If you string your own, I prefer Energy because it makes you have fresh strings every 2-3 matches, and the comfort for a poly is unparalleled.

However, Hyperion is great too, it lasts at least twice as long, so if you aren't picky about that "fresh feel", then you can almost play it until it breaks (or almost a month and then cut it off if you still haven't snapped it).

Mosquito Bite is soft, and the thinnest of the three so is better for doubles and/or serve&volley style. Touch shots are the best with MB.

As always, thanks for the info JT. I think I may put in order for Hyperion along with some new multis.

GlenK
03-28-2011, 11:03 AM
JT and Mikler.. Thanks guys.. Have copied and pasted those recommendations to an email and will give these a shot in my search.
Luxilon recommended the new M2 as well and I have a set of it on order.
Thanks for your help..

maggmaster
03-28-2011, 11:11 AM
I just put polystar energy back in my mains with dunlop hexy in the crosses. I had those reversed for the last couple weeks but I had to change it because I was popping strings every 3 hours. Seriously I went through 6 rackets in 2 weeks.

mikeler
03-28-2011, 11:17 AM
I just put polystar energy back in my mains with dunlop hexy in the crosses. I had those reversed for the last couple weeks but I had to change it because I was popping strings every 3 hours. Seriously I went through 6 rackets in 2 weeks.


I'm assuming the Hexy was breaking?

JackB1
03-28-2011, 11:41 AM
These are good comfort polys I've used:

Polystar Energy (softest out there, supreme power, but mediocre tension hold)
&
Signum Pro Hyperion (almost as soft, controlled powerhouse, amazing tension hold)
&
WC Mosquito Bite (in between the two in comfort, power, and tension hold; thinnest choice for those seeking 'bite')

However, Hyperion is great too, it lasts at least twice as long, so if you aren't picky about that "fresh feel", then you can almost play it until it breaks (or almost a month and then cut it off if you still haven't snapped it).


I agree about Hyperion. Great copoly! Only downside is it has lots of pop. I would string a bit higher to compensate. It may not be the best to couple with a lively main due to it's power.

maggmaster
03-28-2011, 11:46 AM
Oh yea, same string every time on every racket( 4 separate frames)

mikeler
03-28-2011, 11:58 AM
Oh yea, same string every time on every racket( 4 separate frames)


Interesting. I wonder if the shape of the Hexy has something to do with it. Have you tried a round multi with that setup?

Boricua
03-28-2011, 12:46 PM
These are good comfort polys I've used:

Polystar Energy (softest out there, supreme power, but mediocre tension hold)
&
Signum Pro Hyperion (almost as soft, controlled powerhouse, amazing tension hold)
&
WC Mosquito Bite (in between the two in comfort, power, and tension hold; thinnest choice for those seeking 'bite')

--If you string your own, I prefer Energy because it makes you have fresh strings every 2-3 matches, and the comfort for a poly is unparalleled.

However, Hyperion is great too, it lasts at least twice as long, so if you aren't picky about that "fresh feel", then you can almost play it until it breaks (or almost a month and then cut it off if you still haven't snapped it).

Mosquito Bite is soft, and the thinnest of the three so is better for doubles and/or serve&volley style. Touch shots are the best with MB.

Is Huperion good as a cross with gut mains?:)

Boricua
03-28-2011, 12:49 PM
A better thread name could be Mikelers Soft Polys:)

Kcraig
03-28-2011, 01:41 PM
Since the temps are starting to warm up (today being an exception) I have decided to have one frame strung up with gut/poly combo and ordered the following polys to try out with my preferred Pacific Tgh Gut 16L

1. Tourna Big Hitter Blue 17g
2. Klip Optic Nerve 17g (still have a 1/2 set on hand)
3. Kirsch Proline II 17g (black)

Def trying to find soft PLUS good tension maintence---so looked at boards, recommendations from others and RSI database. Was about to pull the trigger on SP hyperion, but held off mainly due to price. If the Proline II works out I could get it super cheap using the TW special they have going--it would then come out to only $3/half set making my total combo only $19!!! Same price as Xcel Power, which ironically I am testing right now--LOL:)

Jeepers
03-28-2011, 01:44 PM
^i may be wrong but i think both signum pro and weisscannon poly's are ment to have pretty good tension maintenance

Boricua
03-28-2011, 02:47 PM
^i may be wrong but i think both signum pro and weisscannon poly's are ment to have pretty good tension maintenance

not wrong,correct:)

COPEY
03-28-2011, 08:34 PM
Was about to pull the trigger on SP hyperion, but held off mainly due to price.

It's pricey here in the states, not in the UK. ;-)

maggmaster
03-29-2011, 04:36 AM
Yea for funs I strung one on Saturday with Energy in the crosses and forten nylon in the mains, it broke during my match last night. Maybe 5 hours on it.

mikeler
03-29-2011, 04:47 AM
A better thread name could be Mikelers Soft Polys:)

Yeah, I thought about that after I created the thread. Oh well...


Since the temps are starting to warm up (today being an exception) I have decided to have one frame strung up with gut/poly combo and ordered the following polys to try out with my preferred Pacific Tgh Gut 16L

1. Tourna Big Hitter Blue 17g
2. Klip Optic Nerve 17g (still have a 1/2 set on hand)
3. Kirsch Proline II 17g (black)

Def trying to find soft PLUS good tension maintence---so looked at boards, recommendations from others and RSI database. Was about to pull the trigger on SP hyperion, but held off mainly due to price. If the Proline II works out I could get it super cheap using the TW special they have going--it would then come out to only $3/half set making my total combo only $19!!! Same price as Xcel Power, which ironically I am testing right now--LOL:)

Cool, keep us posted on how those play.

mikeler
03-29-2011, 04:47 AM
Yea for funs I strung one on Saturday with Energy in the crosses and forten nylon in the mains, it broke during my match last night. Maybe 5 hours on it.


Did the Forten break?

SteveI
03-29-2011, 05:00 AM
A better thread name could be Mikelers Soft Polys:)

The thread also could have been called "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished!!" :-?

I think later maybe I will string up my Wilson PlayTest String (Co-poly mono) and go play with the Big Boys...LOL.. I guess I am one of the Big Boys.. since Wilson decided and I quote from the form letter "You (me) have been selected as part of an ELITE (ie.. BOG BOYS) group to play test".

I almost fell off my chair laughing while reading that line of crap (About Big Boys)..posted by a nameless TT member.

You have to love Talk Tennis!!!!

Keep up the good work..Mikeler!!

mikeler
03-29-2011, 05:14 AM
After stringing up a Recoil/MCS hybrid last night, I'm completely out of string at the house except for an old set of Gamma Zo Power laying around that I don't plan on using. Time to order some more.

bad_call
03-29-2011, 05:37 AM
The thread also could have been called "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished!!" :-?

I think later maybe I will string up my Wilson PlayTest String (Co-poly mono) and go play with the Big Boys...LOL.. I guess I am one of the Big Boys.. since Wilson decided and I quote from the form letter "You (me) have been selected as part of an ELITE (ie.. BOG BOYS) group to play test".

I almost fell off my chair laughing while reading that line of crap (About Big Boys)..posted by a nameless TT member.

You have to love Talk Tennis!!!!

Keep up the good work..Mikeler!!

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retlod
03-29-2011, 05:42 AM
A better thread name could be Mikelers Soft Polys:)

Subscribed. :)

As a lover of softer polys, I'll be here reading and posting!

pvaudio
03-29-2011, 05:51 AM
After stringing up a Recoil/MCS hybrid last night, I'm completely out of string at the house except for an old set of Gamma Zo Power laying around that I don't plan on using. Time to order some more.
If you want some string to try, let me know and I'll send you some. I'm never going to run out. Email me at PVStringing @ gmail . com and I'll send you what I give my customers. Not posting it here for...reasons :)

mikeler
03-29-2011, 06:01 AM
Subscribed. :)

As a lover of softer polys, I'll be here reading and posting!

Thanks for the support. I find stringing to be therapeutic too, so the way fresh strings play are more important to me. I'll openly admit to be a poly rookie so any comments on strings are welcome.


If you want some string to try, let me know and I'll send you some. I'm never going to run out. Email me at PVStringing @ gmail . com and I'll send you what I give my customers. Not posting it here for...reasons :)

So am I not allowed to tell people the name after I try it? Nevermind, I understand now. The conspiracy theorists will come out and accuse you of hawking Brand X. I have PayPal so I can buy some string off you. I'll send you an e-mail about it. Thanks buddy.

pepka
03-29-2011, 07:49 AM
Everybody looking for soft polys should check*:
BHB/Topspin CB
Energy
Scorpion
Hyperion
MB
and both Mantis strings.
If they're not soft enough than... time to test some hybrids ;-)
(*based on strings that i ACTUALLY tried).

pvaudio
03-29-2011, 08:26 AM
So am I not allowed to tell people the name after I try it? Nevermind, I understand now. The conspiracy theorists will come out and accuse you of hawking Brand X. I have PayPal so I can buy some string off you. I'll send you an e-mail about it. Thanks buddy.
Nope, that's not it :). I explained in the email, and it'd be a pretty useless test if you didn't post what the string that you're testing is. So yep, post away! :)

pvaudio
03-29-2011, 08:30 AM
Everybody looking for soft polys should check*:
BHB/Topspin CB
Energy
Scorpion
Hyperion
MB
and both Mantis strings.
If they're not soft enough than... time to test some hybrids ;-)
(*based on strings that i ACTUALLY tried).
What's MB, Mosquito Bite? If so, I entirely agree. My sister who plays some serious tennis actually hated the MB. She thought it felt like mush when crossed with Laserfibre SNGPS. I think that's a string that WC came out with...because they could. It's as soft as Scorpion, but not as lively, doesn't have the spin of any of their other strings (I'd say equal or less than Silverstring) and holds tension the worst of any WC I've strung to date. Now, to be fair, the worst tension stability for a WeissCannon string is like talking about the least reliable Honda or Subaru.

JT_2eighty
03-29-2011, 08:37 AM
What's MB, Mosquito Bite? If so, I entirely agree. My sister who plays some serious tennis actually hated the MB. She thought it felt like mush when crossed with Laserfibre SNGPS. I think that's a string that WC came out with...because they could. It's as soft as Scorpion, but not as lively, doesn't have the spin of any of their other strings (I'd say equal or less than Silverstring) and holds tension the worst of any WC I've strung to date. Now, to be fair, the worst tension stability for a WeissCannon string is like talking about the least reliable Honda or Subaru.

I agree. It is definitely soft, and at the bottom of WC's tension stability ranks.

Now that I've used Scorpion 1.22 as well, MB could just be the thinner offering of it? Since it only comes in 1.16...

mikeler
03-29-2011, 08:40 AM
^^^ Thanks guys for the soft poly suggestions.

pvaudio
03-29-2011, 08:53 AM
I agree. It is definitely soft, and at the bottom of WC's tension stability ranks.

Now that I've used Scorpion 1.22 as well, MB could just be the thinner offering of it? Since it only comes in 1.16...I don't think so. I think MB is softer, but it is also less responsive. Then again, MSV Hex 17 plays great while the 1.10 is sinful. :-?

maggmaster
03-29-2011, 09:00 AM
Yea the forten broke. Thats ok my arm feels fine with the energy in the mains, it only started giving me trouble when I moved the tension up over 58.

mikeler
03-29-2011, 09:20 AM
Yea the forten broke. Thats ok my arm feels fine with the energy in the mains, it only started giving me trouble when I moved the tension up over 58.

What tensions have you tried it at?

maggmaster
03-29-2011, 09:31 AM
I started the energy at 50 and the crosses at 52, played through 3 rackets like that, no pain.

Moved the energy to 55 and the crosses to 57, played through 3 rackets no pain.

Moved the energy to 59 and the crosses to 61 played through 3 rackets, some pain but nothing that lasted through a nights sleep.

Then I changed the crosses to mantis power multi and that caused some pain.

So I switched to an all multi setup for a few weeks, then I added the energy back in in the crosses, now the energy is back in the mains but I am going to keep it around 55.

mikeler
03-29-2011, 09:35 AM
I started the energy at 50 and the crosses at 52, played through 3 rackets like that, no pain.

Moved the energy to 55 and the crosses to 57, played through 3 rackets no pain.

Moved the energy to 59 and the crosses to 61 played through 3 rackets, some pain but nothing that lasted through a nights sleep.

Then I changed the crosses to mantis power multi and that caused some pain.

So I switched to an all multi setup for a few weeks, then I added the energy back in in the crosses, now the energy is back in the mains but I am going to keep it around 55.


Wow, that Mantis Power much be much stiffer than the Comfort version!

Jeepers
03-29-2011, 09:37 AM
Spikey shark is another one you might want to try, its fairly soft and great for spin. Pretty average in other areas though.
I loved hexablade, it had great spin potential and i found it easy on the arm dispite not having a particularly low RSI stiffness rating, but i know pvaudio didnt like it in a hybrid so unless your willing to go full bed it might not be worth it.
and i plan on trying SP tornado soon in either a hybrid or full bed so ill let you know what thats like

maggmaster
03-29-2011, 09:48 AM
Maybe, or maybe I just had it strung too high.

mikeler
03-29-2011, 09:54 AM
Spikey shark is another one you might want to try, its fairly soft and great for spin. Pretty average in other areas though.
I loved hexablade, it had great spin potential and i found it easy on the arm dispite not having a particularly low RSI stiffness rating, but i know pvaudio didnt like it in a hybrid so unless your willing to go full bed it might not be worth it.
and i plan on trying SP tornado soon in either a hybrid or full bed so ill let you know what thats like


I was just looking at Tornado and Hyperion prices, definitely on the more expensive side.

Jeepers
03-29-2011, 10:02 AM
Oh, there not so bad in the UK :P

AutoXer
03-29-2011, 10:39 AM
Of the few copolys i've played with here are my favorite setups.

1 - Solinco Tour Bite 58lbs with Vanquish 60lbs
2 - Solinco Revolution 58lbs with TrueFeel 60lbs
3 - TopSpin Max Rotation full bed 58lbs


Due to an arm injury unrelated to tennis, I am going to natty gut this week. Will keep an eye on this thread for tension suggestions and string combo's for when I can go back to the spin friendly copolys.

mikeler
03-29-2011, 10:52 AM
Of the few copolys i've played with here are my favorite setups.

1 - Solinco Tour Bite 58lbs with Vanquish 60lbs
2 - Solinco Revolution 58lbs with TrueFeel 60lbs
3 - TopSpin Max Rotation full bed 58lbs


Due to an arm injury unrelated to tennis, I am going to natty gut this week. Will keep an eye on this thread for tension suggestions and string combo's for when I can go back to the spin friendly copolys.


If you want to try some soft full multi beds for awhile get a hold of Mantis Comfort Synthetic, Babolat Xcel or Pro Supex Maxim Touch. Gut will be best if you can afford it.

AutoXer
03-29-2011, 11:31 AM
If you want to try some soft full multi beds for awhile get a hold of Mantis Comfort Synthetic, Babolat Xcel or Pro Supex Maxim Touch. Gut will be best if you can afford it.

My stringer also mentioned both Xcel and Maxim if not gut. Seems you two think alike.
Gut $ is not an issue for me thankfully, so gut it is. :D

mikeler
03-29-2011, 11:39 AM
My stringer also mentioned both Xcel and Maxim if not gut. Seems you two think alike.
Gut $ is not an issue for me thankfully, so gut it is. :D


Mantis Comfort is the softest of those but all are nice and comfy. NXT Control the poly/multi mix is really soft so I would have to guess regular NXT is very soft too.

Boricua
03-29-2011, 11:54 AM
Weiss Cannon Turbo Twist is a very, very soft copoly, even more than B5E, Polyfibre Black Venom and others.

Also, retains tension very well.

Can be strung in the 50's.:)

FedererBestTennis
03-29-2011, 11:55 AM
Mikeler, can you make a comparison between Pro Hurricane and Pro Hurricane Tour?

pvaudio
03-29-2011, 11:56 AM
I did report a few posts, I'll be honest.

FedererBestTennis
03-29-2011, 11:58 AM
He criticizes everything. Unbelievable.

mikeler
03-29-2011, 12:07 PM
Mikeler, can you make a comparison between Pro Hurricane and Pro Hurricane Tour?


I'm just starting out this venture into polys so I can't help you out now. Hopefully as I progress then I can contribute more to the knowledge base here. I'm sure there are plenty of folks here who will be able to give you a good opinion.

JT_2eighty
03-29-2011, 12:11 PM
Mikeler, can you make a comparison between Pro Hurricane and Pro Hurricane Tour?

I will, to save Mikeler's arm.

PH (non-tour) is soft. One of the more forgiving polyesters, but tension hold is not one of its strong suits. Can be compared to the softer list of polyesters mentioned earlier in this thread, but cannot compete with Weisscannon when price and tension maintenance are concerned. Average spin and decent control, nothing to write home about.

PHT is super stiff, dies after about 4 hours (less for some). When fresh it does have good power and control, but still, a very stiff poly and mostly outdated "1st generation" poly technology when compared to what's available today.

mikeler
03-29-2011, 12:12 PM
Mikeler, can you make a comparison between Pro Hurricane and Pro Hurricane Tour?

I will, to save Mikeler's arm.

PH (non-tour) is soft. One of the more forgiving polyesters, but tension hold is not one of its strong suits. Can be compared to the softer list of polyesters mentioned earlier in this thread, but cannot compete with Weisscannon when price and tension maintenance are concerned. Average spin and decent control, nothing to write home about.

PHT is super stiff, dies after about 4 hours (less for some). When fresh it does have good power and control, but still, a very stiff poly and mostly outdated "1st generation" poly technology when compared to what's available today.


Thanks JT. I'll pass on trying those two.

FedererBestTennis
03-29-2011, 12:23 PM
I will, to save Mikeler's arm.

PH (non-tour) is soft. One of the more forgiving polyesters, but tension hold is not one of its strong suits. Can be compared to the softer list of polyesters mentioned earlier in this thread, but cannot compete with Weisscannon when price and tension maintenance are concerned. Average spin and decent control, nothing to write home about.

PHT is super stiff, dies after about 4 hours (less for some). When fresh it does have good power and control, but still, a very stiff poly and mostly outdated "1st generation" poly technology when compared to what's available today.
I pretty much found the same things when I used them (was asking to make sure I'm not crazy :D) Which string from WeissCANNON would you recommend an aggressive all-courter with a one-handed backhand 4.5 thirteen-year-old use?

Boricua
03-29-2011, 12:50 PM
I'm just starting out this venture into polys so I can't help you out now. Hopefully as I progress then I can contribute more to the knowledge base here. I'm sure there are plenty of folks here who will be able to give you a good opinion.

Beware, Mikeler, Hurricane is not so comfy, at least when using a stiffer racket.:)

Boricua
03-29-2011, 12:53 PM
I pretty much found the same things when I used them (was asking to make sure I'm not crazy :D) Which string from WeissCANNON would you recommend an aggressive all-courter with a one-handed backhand 4.5 thirteen-year-old use?

Black5Edge or Turbo Twist. TT is more powerful and comfy, B5E more control and pretty soft for a copoly:)

FedererBestTennis
03-29-2011, 05:42 PM
Black5Edge or Turbo Twist. TT is more powerful and comfy, B5E more control and pretty soft for a copoly:)
Would you say then that TT is more like Black Savage and B5E is more like PH Regular?

retlod
03-29-2011, 05:54 PM
I will, to save Mikeler's arm.

PH (non-tour) is soft. One of the more forgiving polyesters, but tension hold is not one of its strong suits. Can be compared to the softer list of polyesters mentioned earlier in this thread, but cannot compete with Weisscannon when price and tension maintenance are concerned. Average spin and decent control, nothing to write home about.

PHT is super stiff, dies after about 4 hours (less for some). When fresh it does have good power and control, but still, a very stiff poly and mostly outdated "1st generation" poly technology when compared to what's available today.

Agree 100%. One of the craziest setups I ever tried was prestretched PHT in a Pure Drive @ 65 lbs. It was an absolute arm killer and had no feel whatsoever, but it lasted forever and the spin was amazing.

pvaudio
03-29-2011, 06:22 PM
Would you say then that TT is more like Black Savage and B5E is more like PH Regular?Oh lord no. TT is a soft, powerful poly that gives you very nice spin from all parts of the court. It's basically Pro Hurricane but softer, better spin, MUCH more power, better control...better everything. B5E is, IMO, the most unique string on the market right now. It doesn't feel like anything else.

mikeler
03-30-2011, 04:14 AM
Oh lord no. TT is a soft, powerful poly that gives you very nice spin from all parts of the court. It's basically Pro Hurricane but softer, better spin, MUCH more power, better control...better everything. B5E is, IMO, the most unique string on the market right now. It doesn't feel like anything else.


I mostly hit with the Prince Recoil/MCS hybrid last night but I did spend a few more minutes with B5E/MCS. Maybe I need to try a different cross string as recommended by Bad_Call who sold me the half set. The setup is good but the spin potential is not as high as I would expect.

Boricua
03-30-2011, 04:45 AM
Would you say then that TT is more like Black Savage and B5E is more like PH Regular?

I have not used Black Savage. Pro Hurricane I used maybe a year ago and as I recall, B5E is different, more plush and soft.:)

Boricua
03-30-2011, 04:47 AM
Oh lord no. TT is a soft, powerful poly that gives you very nice spin from all parts of the court. It's basically Pro Hurricane but softer, better spin, MUCH more power, better control...better everything. B5E is, IMO, the most unique string on the market right now. It doesn't feel like anything else.

Agree with this assertion!:)

mikeler
03-30-2011, 07:02 AM
Genesis Black Magic looks like a reasonable price and rodrigoamaral likes it. Anyone else play with this?

bad_call
03-30-2011, 07:11 AM
I mostly hit with the Prince Recoil/MCS hybrid last night but I did spend a few more minutes with B5E/MCS. Maybe I need to try a different cross string as recommended by Bad_Call who sold me the half set. The setup is good but the spin potential is not as high as I would expect.

the MCS cross was acceptable and quite comfortable using BAM mains in the 4D100. think the B5E mains works better with stiffer crosses like syn gut or not soft/stretchy poly. let me know if you're interested in another string trade. :)

pvaudio
03-30-2011, 07:40 AM
Genesis Black Magic looks like a reasonable price and rodrigoamaral likes it. Anyone else play with this?Personally, I cannot stand it. It feels very board-like to me. Genesis strings aren't typically tension temperamental, and I did string it at ~60lbs, so perhaps the tension was simply too high.

Power Player
03-30-2011, 08:11 AM
Personally, I cannot stand it. It feels very board-like to me. Genesis strings aren't typically tension temperamental, and I did string it at ~60lbs, so perhaps the tension was simply too high.

You need to string it at 50#s. It should not be boardy at all. It has incredible pocketing. Unless you are on the tour, stringng full poly at 60#s is a bad idea.

Power Player
03-30-2011, 08:11 AM
Genesis Black Magic looks like a reasonable price and rodrigoamaral likes it. Anyone else play with this?

Loving it in the prestige. insane pocketing and durability has been awesome at this tension.

mikeler
03-30-2011, 09:08 AM
Loving it in the prestige. insane pocketing and durability has been awesome at this tension.


Sold, I'll have to add it to my next order.

pvaudio
03-30-2011, 09:11 AM
You need to string it at 50#s. It should not be boardy at all. It has incredible pocketing. Unless you are on the tour, stringng full poly at 60#s is a bad idea.
I figured as much. This was, however, quite some time ago that I did this. :)

Power Player
03-30-2011, 09:17 AM
Yeah, and also some strings rule in some racquets and suck in others.

FedererBestTennis
03-30-2011, 10:33 AM
Oh lord no. TT is a soft, powerful poly that gives you very nice spin from all parts of the court. It's basically Pro Hurricane but softer, better spin, MUCH more power, better control...better everything. B5E is, IMO, the most unique string on the market right now. It doesn't feel like anything else.
A softer poly than PH??? :shock: Can you elaborate more on B5E? Also, I'm about to playtest MCS Mains/ALU Power Rough Crosses. What tension do you recommend?

JT_2eighty
03-30-2011, 10:36 AM
If you want softer than PH, PS Energy is the softest. However, tension hold is not so great, drops off after about 4-6 hours. But, it is the #1 comfort poly for sure.

FedererBestTennis
03-30-2011, 10:38 AM
If you want softer than PH, PS Energy is the softest. However, tension hold is not so great, drops off after about 4-6 hours. But, it is the #1 comfort poly for sure.
I'm looking for something soft, but very lively (No arm problems and I am able to string poly around 60 lbs). Is TT lively?

JT_2eighty
03-30-2011, 10:41 AM
Hyperion and Energy are probably the best for soft and lively.

If you break strings in 4-6 hours, use Energy; otherwise get Hyperion as it has amazing tension maintenance.

mikeler
03-30-2011, 11:02 AM
So I'm thinking I need to try PS Energy one more time as a full bed. The others on the shortlist now are Hyperion, Tornado and Black Magic.

FedererBestTennis
03-30-2011, 11:51 AM
So I'm thinking I need to try PS Energy one more time as a full bed. The others on the shortlist now are Hyperion, Tornado and Black Magic.
Yessss...I am interested in a review for Black Magic. I will let you all know how MCS 55 lbs/ALU Power Rough 50 lbs plays on Thursday night!

GlenK
03-31-2011, 04:54 AM
Well my (suggested by Luxilon) replacement for Supersense arrived yesterday, Lux M2 Pro. I've been playing with SS @ 60lbs and loved it.
SS does drop tension fairly quickly so it's in the high 40s before ya know it.
SO, I strung the M2 @ 58.

Serves were unbelievable from the warm up. Now I see how Raonic gets so much pop on his serve. It's like this stuff grabs the ball and throws it where ever you want it. Volleys were outstanding too!!
But groundies were another story. Hard time keeping it in the court and balls were flying long. Got tentative in a hurry, but as I played control got a bit better. At this tension pocketing was nothing like the SS.

Raonic strings this stuff @ 41 lbs, so I'm going to try 48/50 on the other set I bought and see what happens. I'm so "old school" it ridiculous when it comes to tension, but I've got to get with the times and get this stuff down low. Just hope it holds the serve/volley performance when the tension drops.

pvaudio
03-31-2011, 05:08 AM
I was saying in another thread that Prince Recoil is the most overpriced string on the market. I think M2 is the second most. I bet you the reason they suggested it is because it's by far and away the most expensive string they sell, but the worst selling.

mikeler
03-31-2011, 05:14 AM
Well my (suggested by Luxilon) replacement for Supersense arrived yesterday, Lux M2 Pro. I've been playing with SS @ 60lbs and loved it.
SS does drop tension fairly quickly so it's in the high 40s before ya know it.
SO, I strung the M2 @ 58.

Serves were unbelievable from the warm up. Now I see how Raonic gets so much pop on his serve. It's like this stuff grabs the ball and throws it where ever you want it. Volleys were outstanding too!!
But groundies were another story. Hard time keeping it in the court and balls were flying long. Got tentative in a hurry, but as I played control got a bit better. At this tension pocketing was nothing like the SS.

Raonic strings this stuff @ 41 lbs, so I'm going to try 48/50 on the other set I bought and see what happens. I'm so "old school" it ridiculous when it comes to tension, but I've got to get with the times and get this stuff down low. Just hope it holds the serve/volley performance when the tension drops.


I'm with you on the low tensions. It just does not feel right! Next time out with PolyStar Energy I'm going to try it at 45 pounds. At 50 pounds it felt a little bit too stiff for my liking.

mikeler
03-31-2011, 05:15 AM
I was saying in another thread that Prince Recoil is the most overpriced string on the market. I think M2 is the second most. I bet you the reason they suggested it is because it's by far and away the most expensive string they sell, but the worst selling.


If Recoil was a few bucks cheaper it would not be too bad of a buy. Luxilon is just plain expensive.

GlenK
03-31-2011, 05:20 AM
I'm with you on the low tensions. It just does not feel right! Next time out with PolyStar Energy I'm going to try it at 45 pounds. At 50 pounds it felt a little bit too stiff for my liking.


I probably should try 45 too!! I need to work up my courage.. :confused:

Maybe I'll do like 49, just to say I broke 50... Then try one more set lower @ 45 if I see big improvement @ 49. It just goes against everything I've known to string "lower" for more control..

mikeler
03-31-2011, 06:56 AM
I probably should try 45 too!! I need to work up my courage.. :confused:

Maybe I'll do like 49, just to say I broke 50... Then try one more set lower @ 45 if I see big improvement @ 49. It just goes against everything I've known to string "lower" for more control..


I'm glad I got to try out 50 since now I know that was too high. Who knows, maybe I'll get super crazy and go down to 40.

bad_call
03-31-2011, 07:06 AM
I'm with you on the low tensions. It just does not feel right! Next time out with PolyStar Energy I'm going to try it at 45 pounds. At 50 pounds it felt a little bit too stiff for my liking.

and PE is supposedly softer than B5E. maybe "soft" isn't an accurate description.

mikeler
03-31-2011, 07:11 AM
and PE is supposedly softer than B5E. maybe "soft" isn't an accurate description.


I hit with the B5E with MCS so not really a fair comparison.

Power Player
03-31-2011, 07:12 AM
I went from a prestige strung at 58 with a hybrid to a prestige in the 40s full poly. I strongly reccomend an hour or 2 of hitting before matchplay or you will have no confidence because you have to get used to the ball trajectory. Once you get used to it, you will flip out at how much pace and spin you can hit with. I am talking heavy balls that appear to gain speed off the bounce and will kick forward and to the side, instead of just kicking straight up.

I watched a lot of the FYB HD practice vids and saw Safin just going all out and ripping the ball like this and was blown away. He was hitting super heavy shots that had this action. He strings a lot higher since he is huge and one of the greats, and has fresh strung sticks at his disposal. I did not think that type of action on the ball was possible for a mere mortal, but once I hit with the BM strung lower, I saw a dramatic change.

A week later, I feel kind of weird when I switch to the prestige that is strung tighter. It is very easy to control still, but my confidence level has changed to where the lower tension is now what I am prefering.

May be a little different in the pstgt, since I had trouble with lower tensions in it due to it's power level.

mikeler
03-31-2011, 07:14 AM
I went from a prestige strung at 58 with a hybrid to a prestige in the 40s full poly. I strongly reccomend an hour or 2 of hitting before matchplay or you will have no confidence because you have to get used to the ball trajectory. Once you get used to it, you will flip out at how much pace and spin you can hit with. I am talking heavy balls that appear to gain speed off the bounce and will kick forward and to the side, instead of just kicking straight up.

I watched a lot of the FYB HD practice vids and saw Safin just going all out and ripping the ball like this and was blown away. He was hitting super heavy shots that had this action. He strings a lot higher since he is huge and one of the greats, and has fresh strung sticks at his disposal. I did not think that type of action on the ball was possible for a mere mortal, but once I hit with the BM strung lower, I saw a dramatic change.

May be a little different in the pstgt, since I had trouble with lower tensions in it due to it's power level.


I know what you mean by the trajectory even at 50 pounds. The ball just comes off the racket lower than it does on my multi setups.

Power Player
03-31-2011, 07:19 AM
Yeah, you will get awesome spin at lower tension polys. I personally think 45-50#s is nice and "mainstream". I can't subscribe to real low tensions though, like 30#s.

GlenK
03-31-2011, 08:40 AM
I'm glad I got to try out 50 since now I know that was too high. Who knows, maybe I'll get super crazy and go down to 40.

Well I split the difference. Just strung it up @ 48lbs. Bad weather here today but will play first thing in the morning. That's a 10 lb drop from the first set of M2. Can't wait to see how it feels. The funny thing is the ping still sounds high.

This should be interesting..

bad_call
03-31-2011, 08:48 AM
Yeah, you will get awesome spin at lower tension polys. I personally think 45-50#s is nice and "mainstream". I can't subscribe to real low tensions though, like 30#s.

yeah...too low and the game goes.

bad_call
03-31-2011, 09:29 AM
I hit with the B5E with MCS so not really a fair comparison.

something to chew on...

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5535349&postcount=165

mikeler
03-31-2011, 09:45 AM
Well I split the difference. Just strung it up @ 48lbs. Bad weather here today but will play first thing in the morning. That's a 10 lb drop from the first set of M2. Can't wait to see how it feels. The funny thing is the ping still sounds high.

This should be interesting..


We have the same "bad weather" here! Good grief, some old guy is outside my office loading animals on his ship in pairs. :)

bsandy
03-31-2011, 11:13 AM
I was saying in another thread that Prince Recoil is the most overpriced string on the market. I think M2 is the second most. I bet you the reason they suggested it is because it's by far and away the most expensive string they sell, but the worst selling.

5 sets for $50 on that huge auction site.

mikeler
03-31-2011, 11:16 AM
5 sets for $50 on that huge auction site.


Somebody must have already bought it, I don't see it.

pvaudio
03-31-2011, 01:44 PM
Somebody must have already bought it, I don't see it.I know who bought it :D :D :D

mikeler
04-01-2011, 04:47 AM
I know who bought it :D :D :D


I think you may own more string than some of these online tennis retailers. :)

nickarnold2000
04-01-2011, 06:08 AM
We have the same "bad weather" here! Good grief, some old guy is outside my office loading animals on his ship in pairs. :)
Hopefully his name isn't Noah! :)

nickarnold2000
04-01-2011, 06:11 AM
Yeah, you will get awesome spin at lower tension polys. I personally think 45-50#s is nice and "mainstream". I can't subscribe to real low tensions though, like 30#s.
I can play with poly in the mid-30s but after 1-2 hours the tension goes down too much and then against good players it's a real challenge.

mikeler
04-01-2011, 06:33 AM
I can play with poly in the mid-30s but after 1-2 hours the tension goes down too much and then against good players it's a real challenge.


Just curious, why do you use the poly/poly hybrid in your signature?

nickarnold2000
04-01-2011, 10:02 AM
Just curious, why do you use the poly/poly hybrid in your signature?
Just experimenting. I was using Forten Sweet as a cross and then Cyber Blue all with Tornado as a main. I like Hyperion because of it's tension maintenance but might go back to something softer.

JT_2eighty
04-01-2011, 11:12 AM
I can play with poly in the mid-30s but after 1-2 hours the tension goes down too much and then against good players it's a real challenge.

So do you restring that often?

I'm finding that 4-5 hours is the tipping point with Energy which is known for tension loss. Meanwhile Scorpion at 4-5 hours (same initial 43lb tension) is going strong. I like Energy when fresh but Scorpion after 2 hrs of use.

So I'm thinking Scorpion as a backup to freshly strung Energy may be a good 2-stick solution... (for when Energy just dies on you mid-point... now I can relate to that, heh)... But, still experimenting it seems :/

nickarnold2000
04-02-2011, 12:43 AM
So do you restring that often?

I'm finding that 4-5 hours is the tipping point with Energy which is known for tension loss. Meanwhile Scorpion at 4-5 hours (same initial 43lb tension) is going strong. I like Energy when fresh but Scorpion after 2 hrs of use.

So I'm thinking Scorpion as a backup to freshly strung Energy may be a good 2-stick solution... (for when Energy just dies on you mid-point... now I can relate to that, heh)... But, still experimenting it seems :/
No, I don't restring often. I was getting 12 hours out of the Tornado/ Sweet hybrid so it will interesting how Hyperion fares as a cross. I've heard good things about it's tension maintenance.

mikeler
04-02-2011, 11:00 AM
Just got some PolyStar Energy 17 in today along with Polyfibre Gutex 16. Since there is little information on the Gutex, I went ahead and strung it up. Will post the results in my multis thread. So my next poly hitting opportunity should be Tuesday with the B5E/MCS hybrid again.

GlenK
04-03-2011, 04:09 AM
The weather was decent enough yesterday that I got a good test on the Lux M2 strung @ 48 lbs. It felt good on some shots and not so good on others. The groundies were an improvement over the 58 lbs, but volleys were very hard to control. Seems like something in the middle around 53/54 may be the perfect tension for this string for me.

Playing with tension this low surely takes some adjustment time in itself.

The search for Supersense replacement continues. :grin:

FedererBestTennis
04-04-2011, 07:11 AM
The weather was decent enough yesterday that I got a good test on the Lux M2 strung @ 48 lbs. It felt good on some shots and not so good on others. The groundies were an improvement over the 58 lbs, but volleys were very hard to control. Seems like something in the middle around 53/54 may be the perfect tension for this string for me.

Playing with tension this low surely takes some adjustment time in itself.

The search for Supersense replacement continues. :grin:
I have a half set of M2 that I am not sure to hybrid with. Any suggestions? I would probably put the poly in the cross as I prefer it this way. Also what tension?

GlenK
04-04-2011, 07:41 AM
I haven't used M2 as a Hybrid yet, but as a full bed I think 54 or 55lbs would be about right. I tried 58 and it was a bit to tight, also tried 48 and it was ok on groundies, but no control on volley's.

I cut out the 48 and still have the 58 strung up. I like the string but just can't get the tension right. At either tension, this stuff was great on serves..
I'm going 55/54 on the next full bed.

FedererBestTennis
04-04-2011, 07:44 AM
I haven't used M2 as a Hybrid yet, but as a full bed I think 54 or 55lbs would be about right. I tried 58 and it was a bit to tight, also tried 48 and it was ok on groundies, but no control on volley's.

I cut out the 48 and still have the 58 strung up. I like the string but just can't get the tension right. At either tension, this stuff was great on serves..
I'm going 55/54 on the next full bed.
Would you be able to make a recommendation tho? A basic synthetic gut as the mains? Perhaps 57/53...

GlenK
04-04-2011, 07:47 AM
Would you be able to make a recommendation tho? A basic synthetic gut as the mains? Perhaps 57/53...

Yes, I'd try it there. As long as the M2 is in the mid 50s.

bad_call
04-04-2011, 07:48 AM
GlenK - dialing in the appropriate tension for ground stroke depth is what this player seeks. serves require minor adjustment which isn't difficult unless a player doesn't have a consistent one in which case tension isn't the issue. ;)

GlenK
04-04-2011, 07:55 AM
I agree bad call. And the balance between groundies and volley's is tricky too. This sting is better at higher tensions on volleys, and better for groundies at a lower tension. That's why I think mid 50s would dial this stuff in pretty well.

Here is a play test on the M2 Plus, which is the 1.30 version. I tried the M2 Pro which is 1.25mm. I always like around 1.25..

http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/articles/2010/01/playtest_luxilon_m2_plus.html

JT_2eighty
04-04-2011, 07:57 AM
^^^ hey, there are sets of Supersense for sale on TW... if you didn't know

GlenK
04-04-2011, 08:01 AM
^^^ hey, there are sets of Supersense for sale on TW... if you didn't know

Thanks JT.. I just bought their last 4 sets.. Thought I had already bought them out!! :grin:

bad_call
04-04-2011, 08:14 AM
m2 went south too soon for this player. had to work too hard after that.

GlenK
04-04-2011, 08:38 AM
m2 went south too soon for this player. had to work too hard after that.

I kinda thought that might be the case. Haven't played with it long enough for that to yet. I think I knew it was not "the One"..
I may try one more set at a mid 50s tension. I think Mikeler might have the right idea with a hybrid of some sort. Want to hear how that works out.

This afternoon I'm trying out Alu power mains and Rip control crosses. That could be interesting.

bad_call
04-04-2011, 08:40 AM
I kinda thought that might be the case. Haven't played with it long enough for that to yet. I think I knew it was not "the One"..
I may try one more set at a mid 50s tension. I think Mikeler might have the right idea with a hybrid of some sort. Want to hear how that works out.

This afternoon I'm trying out Alu power mains and Rip control crosses. That could be interesting.

don't forget to try BBO 16g...my fave in the Lux strings.

GlenK
04-04-2011, 08:50 AM
^^ I will try it. I have Timo 122, Alu power and rough, and power fluoro 123 in my inventory, but no original. I'll order some with my next order.

mikeler
04-04-2011, 10:59 AM
I had such a bad experience with BBO that I can't bring myself to use Luxilon again. Feeling a tingling in my elbow today after playing 5 sets this weekend, hopefully my poly trials don't have to end prematurely.

JT_2eighty
04-04-2011, 11:05 AM
I had such a bad experience with BBO that I can't bring myself to use Luxilon again. Feeling a tingling in my elbow today after playing 5 sets this weekend, hopefully my poly trials don't have to end prematurely.

What strings were you using? Some poly and some multi?

mikeler
04-04-2011, 11:18 AM
What strings were you using? Some poly and some multi?


BBO mains with a synthetic gut cross (probably Gamma). This was before everyone started going very low on the tension.

JT_2eighty
04-04-2011, 11:29 AM
BBO mains with a synthetic gut cross (probably Gamma). This was before everyone started going very low on the tension.

Ok. I also meant during your 5 sets this past weekend?

mikeler
04-04-2011, 11:36 AM
Ok. I also meant during your 5 sets this past weekend?


I did not use my poly setup at all this weekend.

Boricua
04-04-2011, 11:42 AM
Long time ago I used RPM Blast. Found Weiss Cannon B5E to be similar, maybe a tad more control and less power.

A string specialist told me that RPM Blast tension maintenance is very bad and that B5E is excellent. Any comments about this?:)

mikeler
04-04-2011, 12:10 PM
Long time ago I used RPM Blast. Found Weiss Cannon B5E to be similar, maybe a tad more control and less power.

A string specialist told me that RPM Blast tension maintenance is very bad and that B5E is excellent. Any comments about this?:)


RPM Blast is a little pricey for my tastes. Just setup a match for today, so I'll try out the B5E setup again tonight.

Donny0627
04-04-2011, 12:25 PM
All you have to be clear on your methodology because then people who aren't familiar with the strings you're talking about can take your comments with a large pinch of salt. Posting a review of a string after a hour or two's play is meaningless since nobody restrings their racquets after 2 hours of play. If you start a poly thread, remember that you're playing with big boys now, not a load of 3.5 multi users who don't know better.

you know, heres a nice guy(mikeler) trying to help everyone on these boards out and give some honest reviews of strings. And heres you bashing him. Personnally I think an hour is a fair assessment for the most part. Besides, even if he wants to try each string for 2 minutes and post a review, then he has the right to do so within reason.

The whole point is that you could have openned this thread, thought to yourself, "man, he needs to give the strings some more time to break in, drop tension, etc.". (IF, that is actually what you think). At that point you should have closed the thread and just ignored it in the future.

OR:

At the very least you should have nicely posted a comment saying, "please keep us updated on your thoughts on the strings after they have time to break in, and you get used to the feel.

BUT:

You didn't do either of those things. You came on here and trolled, giving your horrible(and in my opinion false) thoughts that meant nothing to everyone. Didnt your mother ever tell you "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't bother saying anything at all"?

bad_call
04-04-2011, 12:36 PM
^^ I will try it. I have Timo 122, Alu power and rough, and power fluoro 123 in my inventory, but no original. I'll order some with my next order.

got good results with BBO 16g at mid to upper 40's tension in a hybrid.

mikeler
04-04-2011, 04:11 PM
Hit with B5E/MCS again tonight. Man that is a nice comfy setup. Full review tomorrow.