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ultimate_defense
04-09-2011, 06:40 PM
...if Murray is the 'weaponless pusher' that 99% of people think he is - why does he do better on faster surfaces such as fast HC and grass than clay?

Surely the clay should slow stuff down so he can scramble for more?

PascalMariaFan
04-09-2011, 06:48 PM
Because on clay you need to consistently produce enough pace and spin on your groundstrokes to be able to pull your opponent out of court and hit a winner. On low bouncing fast courts it's about hitting a big first serve, and if that comes back, junkballing the opponent into error. It's much harder to orchestrate a point on the fast courts because the ball comes back to you before you've finished your stroke.

That's why clowns like Roddick, Murray and Hewitt are so much better on fast courts. It lets them win even without point construction, their first serve and scrambling ability being enough.

PascalMariaFan
04-09-2011, 06:52 PM
A prime example is Roddick vs Gabashvili last year.
Roddick's serve and junkballing is a lot easier to handle on the clay, so Gabashvili was able to settle into the points and dictate with his powerful, spinny strokes.

Contrary to popular belief, movement is a lot more important on fast courts than on slow ones.
Players like Soderling, Almagro and Puerta are capable of making French Open finals on the merit of their groundstrokes alone. Put them on a fast court, and their slow footwork makes them useless.

norbac
04-09-2011, 07:06 PM
A prime example is Roddick vs Gabashvili last year.
Roddick's serve and junkballing is a lot easier to handle on the clay, so Gabashvili was able to settle into the points and dictate with his powerful, spinny strokes.

Contrary to popular belief, movement is a lot more important on fast courts than on slow ones.
Players like Soderling, Almagro and Puerta are capable of making French Open finals on the merit of their groundstrokes alone. Put them on a fast court, and their slow footwork makes them useless.

Eh ?

PascalMariaFan
04-09-2011, 07:39 PM
Almagro is capable of making a French Open final.

joechiang
04-09-2011, 07:53 PM
Because on clay you need to consistently produce enough pace and spin on your groundstrokes to be able to pull your opponent out of court and hit a winner. On low bouncing fast courts it's about hitting a big first serve, and if that comes back, junkballing the opponent into error. It's much harder to orchestrate a point on the fast courts because the ball comes back to you before you've finished your stroke.

That's why clowns like Roddick, Murray and Hewitt are so much better on fast courts. It lets them win even without point construction, their first serve and scrambling ability being enough.

What's your comment on AO surface?Is it a low bouncing fast court?

Nextman916
04-09-2011, 08:10 PM
Almagro is capable of making a French Open final.

Capable? arguably...but theres quite a few runners in front of him in that regard.

Sentinel
04-09-2011, 10:12 PM
LOL'ing at post #2 from Pascal Maria.