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Heracles
04-14-2011, 04:36 AM
As an european and a fan of clay tennis I always love this part of the season.

I was watching Nadal vs Gasquet and it was so refreshing. Rallys were very good, point construction was great and very smart. Both players played with inspiration and the speed of the court allowed them to deliver a true tactical battle with a point only being finished at the second bounce.

This is the return of clever tennis. Nadal played so much better than in any of his HC match this year.

feetofclay
04-14-2011, 07:48 AM
Well said 'Heracles' it's my favoiurite part of the year also, for all the reasons that you have stated. I don't miss the obsession with the speed gun for measuring serves, one little bit.

Cup8489
04-14-2011, 07:54 AM
I hope i get a chance to play on the red stuff myself...some day..

Love the clay

Tennis sensation
04-14-2011, 08:49 AM
Yeah I know. This is 'real' tennis.

Tennis sensation
04-14-2011, 09:00 AM
My favourite time of the season is clay and grass.

I wish to play someday on clay and grass courts.

MagneticCurls
04-14-2011, 09:14 AM
The slower you make a surface, the lower the tennis skill needed to play on it.

cocolate
04-14-2011, 09:18 AM
hard better than clay...trust me i play a lot on clay and it's pusher's land

Sintherius
04-14-2011, 09:21 AM
The slower you make a surface, the lower the tennis skill needed to play on it.

Yeah Nadal must suck really bad to be the "King of Clay" and I'm not even a Nadal fan. You don't win as much as he has and won ALL the slams and have a low tennis skill to dominate on clay.

Antonio Puente
04-14-2011, 09:39 AM
The slower you make a surface, the lower the tennis skill needed to play on it.

You're right - Andy Roddick and John Isner are well-rounded, multi-talented individuals.

Mustard
04-14-2011, 09:48 AM
The clay and grass period is the best time of the tennis calendar.

rainingaces
04-14-2011, 09:50 AM
You're right - Andy Roddick and John Isner are well-rounded, multi-talented individuals.

Tall powerful servers have done well on clay so I don't know what your talking about.

Karlovic has won a clay title, Isner and Querrey were in the final of Belgrade 2010. Clay is boring to me, a good defencive player can beat a much better shot maker on clay and that I find sad. Grass is what its all about, all court tennis beats boring dirt ball baseline tennis every day.

Murrayfan31
04-14-2011, 09:54 AM
Hardcourts bring out the best tennis level. The OP is obsessed with Nadal. Nadal's level isn't high enough to win consistently on hardcourts.

babbette
04-14-2011, 09:59 AM
I concur. Because the hard court season is so long and intense I always forget how much I love the clay season until we come back to it.

MichaelNadal
04-14-2011, 10:32 AM
The clay and grass period is the best time of the tennis calendar.

Plus 1. Easily the most exciting time in tennis, from Monte Carlo to Wimbledon. The only thing I care about after is the US Open.

MichaelNadal
04-14-2011, 10:34 AM
Hardcourts bring out the best tennis level. The OP is obsessed with Nadal. Nadal's level isn't high enough to win consistently on hardcourts.

BWAHAHAHA! Ok, so who's having better results on hardcourts in the past FIVE YEARS? Just Federer. Also Novak is just as successful, but who else? Get a life. Nadal is in the top 3 on the surface.

Antonio Puente
04-14-2011, 10:34 AM
Isner and Querrey were in the final of Belgrade 2010.

Belgrade? Yes, after that, we should fully expect to see Isner and Querrey challenging for Rome or the FO.

Antonio Puente
04-14-2011, 10:44 AM
BWAHAHAHA! Ok, so who's having better results on hardcourts in the past FIVE YEARS? Just Federer. Also Novak is just as successful, but who else? Get a life. Nadal is in the top 3 on the surface.

It is funny - if Nadal had no clay or grass titles, and only had an AO, a US Open, a hard court gold medal and five hard court 1000's, he would be called a hard court specialist. But since he's so dominant on clay and grass, his hard court successes are looked at differently than they should be.

Murrayfan31
04-14-2011, 10:49 AM
BWAHAHAHA! Ok, so who's having better results on hardcourts in the past FIVE YEARS? Just Federer. Also Novak is just as successful, but who else? Get a life. Nadal is in the top 3 on the surface.
I believe Murray beat Nadal the last 2 times they played on a hardcourt slam. Del Potro also destroyed him. Ferrer beat him. It took a marathon match to tire Djokovic out so Nadal could beat him at the US Open.

Mustard
04-14-2011, 11:07 AM
I believe Murray beat Nadal the last 2 times they played on a hardcourt slam. Del Potro also destroyed him. Ferrer beat him. It took a marathon match to tire Djokovic out so Nadal could beat him at the US Open.

Nadal has won more hardcourt slams than Murray, del Potro and Ferrer combined.

cucio
04-14-2011, 11:32 AM
Spring hard court season is very long, so I welcome the beginning of the clay season. Then it gets too long, and I start to long for the grass. I wish they switched surfaces more often.

ashitaka2010
04-14-2011, 11:45 AM
The slower you make a surface, the lower the tennis skill needed to play on it.

I missed TT sooooooo much!

The OP is right, Nadal-Gasquet was good tennis... and the clay is beautiful!

sillymonkey
04-14-2011, 05:28 PM
I love it too. It just seems right.

MichaelNadal
04-14-2011, 07:47 PM
It is funny - if Nadal had no clay or grass titles, and only had an AO, a US Open, a hard court gold medal and five hard court 1000's, he would be called a hard court specialist. But since he's so dominant on clay and grass, his hard court successes are looked at differently than they should be.

EXACTLY. I was trying to make this point in another thread a couple weeks ago.

jwbarrientos
04-15-2011, 05:14 AM
I hope i get a chance to play on the red stuff myself...some day..

Love the clay

Just travel to LATINOamerica!

whoopinstick
04-15-2011, 06:48 AM
Amen sister! (in agreement with the op)

billnepill
04-15-2011, 07:04 AM
clay = Nadal since 2005

The only exciting thing is if Nadal will lose a set till June.

Tough Gut
04-15-2011, 07:21 AM
clay court is so easy to play.

just hit the ball really

hard

No, since the courts are slower it is easier to play defense, therefore hard shots are not as effective.

tacou
04-15-2011, 07:36 AM
love it also! but HC and Grass are great too

Tough Gut
04-15-2011, 08:05 AM
but if u hit a 140 mph forehand no one can stop it if u get angle on it

I don't think anyone on tour can hit a 140 mph forehand if they can't hit 140 mph serve. And even if u hit it that hard it will tough to get and angle on it. But i get what you mean.:)

Dilettante
04-15-2011, 08:15 AM
The slower you make a surface, the lower the tennis skill needed to play on it.

Is this the tennis version of creationism?

It is funny - if Nadal had no clay or grass titles, and only had an AO, a US Open, a hard court gold medal and five hard court 1000's, he would be called a hard court specialist. But since he's so dominant on clay and grass, his hard court successes are looked at differently than they should be.

Yes, it's funny. A lot of players without any of those HC titles are said to be better HC specialists than Nadal and to have a more suited game for the surface. It's quite nonsensical, but I guess is the "claycourter prejudice" that was created at the beggining of his career: "Nadal will never win Wimbledon", "Nadal will never win a HC slam" and all that. He won all that, but as I've said, it's like creationism; evidence doesn't seem to matter.

It happens too with Federer's clay court game. People always saying clay it's his "worst surface", when Federer has not a worst surface! It's just on clay he had his toughest rival. If not for Nadal, I think Federer could have wiped all competition on clay too.

People just use surfaces, the talent concept and stuff to diminish those players they don't like.

Tough Gut
04-15-2011, 08:19 AM
but if u are olivier rochus u are really short so every shot u hit is a overhead

if u work on ur serve then u can hit 140 mph serve as every shot

If you think somebody can win a tournament let alone a match doing that, then that's on you.

Tough Gut
04-15-2011, 08:32 AM
but come on think about it

instead of hit a forehand, duck and hit a overhead

what s the problem

The problem is the chances of getting to the ball so early that you have time to duck and hit an overhead is very small.

beast of mallorca
04-15-2011, 09:41 AM
it's like creationism; evidence doesn't seem to matter.

dilitante,
what do you mean by this ? just curious.

Heracles
04-17-2011, 06:57 AM
After the first big clay event of the year, I am happy.

The final itself was with a lot back and forth rallies that only clay can produce. Nadal was not at his best but still delivered at the end.

The final was a ferocious battle and imo better than the IW and Miami final who had just more suspens.

miyagi
04-17-2011, 07:17 AM
I love this part of the season, so many matches and then to top it off Wimbledon!!!!!!!

I cant wait to see the results, can Nadal possibly repeat last year?

MagneticCurls
04-17-2011, 09:25 AM
Please explain what is 'creationistic' about simple logic?

TheTruth
04-17-2011, 09:48 AM
I like all the surfaces, but clay and grass the most.

I love the point construction and sliding on the clay. Seeing players leave that long skid mark on the clay is a beautiful thing to behold. I also like the way the outsmart each other practically every point.

Then, the grass because it's cloaked in history. It represents the way the game used to be played and is steeped in tradition. Plus, the lawns are beautiful.

Hard court is my least favorite because it's too wham, bam, thank you, ma'am and creates too many ball bashers. However, after the sexy clay and the regal grass, it's not too bad seeing the hard courts. I just wish there weren't so many events on them.

tenniswarrior
04-18-2011, 10:10 AM
After WWIII, we'll only have claycourts, because all other land will be destroyed. Clay can easily be made by putting together random bits of bad land.

Murrayfan31
04-18-2011, 10:56 AM
I like all the surfaces, but clay and grass the most.

I love the point construction and sliding on the clay. Seeing players leave that long skid mark on the clay is a beautiful thing to behold. I also like the way the outsmart each other practically every point.

Then, the grass because it's cloaked in history. It represents the way the game used to be played and is steeped in tradition. Plus, the lawns are beautiful.

Hard court is my least favorite because it's too wham, bam, thank you, ma'am and creates too many ball bashers. However, after the sexy clay and the regal grass, it's not too bad seeing the hard courts. I just wish there weren't so many events on them.
So much for Wimbledon tradition. They slowed down the courts considerably there. lol at complaining about hard courts. You want players to struggle hitting the ball hard due to the hindrance of bad bounces on clay and grass.

Ray Mercer
04-18-2011, 04:24 PM
Not a fan of clay court tennis as it rewards defensive passive players. Fast hardcourt produces the best tennis (ie. US Open).

Murrayfan31
04-18-2011, 04:48 PM
Not a fan of clay court tennis as it rewards defensive passive players. Fast hardcourt produces the best tennis (ie. US Open).
Agreed. The true bounces combined with pace brings out the best in tennis players.

Lsmkenpo
04-19-2011, 07:37 AM
You may love Clay court tennis if..............

Your a *******
You hate Americans
Your favorite book is War and Peace
Your a Romanian who will remain Nameless
You like the longer time frame clay affords you to stare at Nadal's posterior
Your second favorite past time is watching grass grow.
You have a weak heart, and can not take too much excitement
Your Dad's job is smashing red bricks up by hand
Your second favorite player of all time is Gaston Gaudio
Your a pusher
You are too old to play on a hard court
Your favorite crayon color is brick red
Your husband left you, and have nothing better to do with your time.

Polvorin
04-19-2011, 07:41 AM
This is the return of clever tennis. Nadal played so much better than in any of his HC match this year.

who can hit the most topspin =/= clever tennis

Lsmkenpo
04-19-2011, 07:47 AM
Proof that clay is boring, Ion Ţiriac knows what's up, this is the best thing about the Madrid tournament.


http://www.tvleak.com/wp-content/gallery/madrid-tennis-ball-girls/madrid-tennis-ball-girls.jpg

Murrayfan31
04-19-2011, 07:51 AM
You may love Clay court tennis if..............

Your a *******
You hate Americans
Your favorite book is War and Peace
Your a Romanian who will remain Nameless
You like the longer time frame clay affords you to stare at Nadal's posterior
Your second favorite past time is watching grass grow.
You have a weak heart, and can not take too much excitement
Your Dad's job is smashing red bricks up by hand
Your second favorite player of all time is Gaston Gaudio
Your a pusher
You are too old to play on a hard court
Your favorite crayon color is brick red
Your husband left you, and have nothing better to do with your time.
Lmao. Good one.

shadows
04-19-2011, 10:09 AM
The clay season is 100% the most boring time of the tennis year.

Unfortunately most hard courts are now so slow that the majority of the HC season is about the same.

namelessone
04-19-2011, 10:15 AM
who can hit the most topspin =/= clever tennis

Nope, who can topspin his way to success by pulling his opponent off court = clever tennis. At least on clay.

namelessone
04-19-2011, 10:36 AM
You may love Clay court tennis if..............

Your a *******
You hate Americans
Your favorite book is War and Peace
Your a Romanian who will remain Nameless
You like the longer time frame clay affords you to stare at Nadal's posterior
Your second favorite past time is watching grass grow.
You have a weak heart, and can not take too much excitement
Your Dad's job is smashing red bricks up by hand
Your second favorite player of all time is Gaston Gaudio
Your a pusher
You are too old to play on a hard court
Your favorite crayon color is brick red
Your husband left you, and have nothing better to do with your time.

Joking aside, CC tennis is awesome. I loved it before I ever heard of Nadal and I will love it long after he is gone. Most of the courts in my country are clay.

Some of the best players in history were at their greatest on clay.

And CC tennis is nerve wrecking because breaks are tough to consolidate, nothing is ever finished.

namelessone
04-19-2011, 10:37 AM
Proof that clay is boring, Ion Ţiriac knows what's up, this is the best thing about the Madrid tournament.


http://www.tvleak.com/wp-content/gallery/madrid-tennis-ball-girls/madrid-tennis-ball-girls.jpg

Also d!ldos :)

http://doartenis.ro/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Ion-Tiriac-trofeu-Madrid-Tiriac.jpg

Lsmkenpo
04-19-2011, 04:41 PM
Joking aside, CC tennis is awesome. I loved it before I ever heard of Nadal and I will love it long after he is gone. Most of the courts in my country are clay.

Some of the best players in history were at their greatest on clay.

And CC tennis is nerve wrecking because breaks are tough to consolidate, nothing is ever finished.

I enjoy watching Soderling play on clay, because he plays like he is ****ed off they made the damn courts so slow and hits even harder.