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(K)evin
04-20-2011, 12:14 PM
Do you guys think Federer would have outshined Rafa's clay dominance on grass if the grass season was as long as Rafa's clay season?

Cassius Clay
04-20-2011, 12:19 PM
Maybe, and do you think Nadal would have outshined Federer's slam dominance if 2 slams, instead of 1, had been played on clay?

DjokerIsTheBest
04-20-2011, 12:31 PM
Do you guys think Federer would have outshined Rafa's clay dominance on grass if the grass season was as long as Rafa's clay season?

Definitely. We just consider grass vs. clay. Rafa had only 4 consecutive FO, where as Fed had 5 consecutive Wimby's.

DjokerIsTheBest
04-20-2011, 12:33 PM
Maybe, and do you think Nadal would have outshined Federer's slam dominance if 2 slams, instead of 1, had been played on clay?

Sure but the converse of 2 slams on clay is 2 slams on grass. So those two would even out up till 2008. The middle ground is HC. Fed dominated both HC AND grass his prime. Rafa is only beginning to do that now. We'll see how long it lasts but I don't see 5 consecutive grass wins for NAdal.

single_handed_champion
04-20-2011, 01:18 PM
Really hard to say. Just as there are few who can stand up to Nadal on clay, there are very few guys who like playing on grass because they rarely get to do it all season long. Federer enjoyed it as a young player and his 1st W win doubtless carried him through to great glory there. If there were more grasscourt tournaments, maybe the rest of the tour would play better on it?

AS it stands though, his run at Wimbledon was remarkable and it is possible he would have matched Rafa's claycourt dominance.

Heracles
04-20-2011, 01:40 PM
Nadal is much closer of Federer on grass that Federer is close to Nadal on clay.

tenis1
04-20-2011, 01:42 PM
Nadal beat Federer twice on Wimbledon. Federer never beat Nadal on RG.

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Heracles
04-20-2011, 01:42 PM
Nadal beat Federer twice on Wimbledon. Federer never beat Nadal on RG.

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Only once, but I agree.

namelessone
04-20-2011, 01:47 PM
Tough to say. We need more grass but the guys running the tourneys are cheap *******s so they just put your run of the mill hardcourt in and get done with it.

The only season that is the correct length IMO is clay. 2-3 months with a couple of big tourneys packed in.

Grass season(if one can call it that) is way,way too short and HC season seems to go on forever, from August to March.

tenis1
04-20-2011, 01:52 PM
Only once, but I agree.
LOL, yes you are correct. Berdych beat him second time. My mistake.

Big_Dangerous
04-20-2011, 03:07 PM
Do you guys think Federer would have outshined Rafa's clay dominance on grass if the grass season was as long as Rafa's clay season?

from 2004-2007 absolutely.

kiki
04-20-2011, 03:13 PM
before, there was a clear, huge, difference between the CC season and the ( short) GC season.Today, all courts are the same.RG is a red grass just as Wimbly is a green clay.No wonder Nadal wins both easily.No wonder a guy like Berdych makes the W finals and no wonder if Soderling or Davidenkho makes them some time.

The-Champ
04-20-2011, 03:16 PM
before, there was a clear, huge, difference between the CC season and the ( short) GC season.Today, all courts are the same.RG is a red grass just as Wimbly is a green clay.No wonder Nadal wins both easily.No wonder a guy like Berdych makes the W finals and no wonder if Soderling or Davidenkho makes them some time.

and roddick being multiple finalist at Wimbledon and totally hopeless on clay...how do you explain that?

Heracles
04-20-2011, 03:19 PM
before, there was a clear, huge, difference between the CC season and the ( short) GC season.Today, all courts are the same.RG is a red grass just as Wimbly is a green clay.No wonder Nadal wins both easily.No wonder a guy like Berdych makes the W finals and no wonder if Soderling or Davidenkho makes them some time.

Actually Davydenko is bad on grass. But I understand your points. Hardcourts have been so dominant in term of number of events than less and less players are clay/grass specialists.

DjokerIsTheBest
04-20-2011, 03:59 PM
and roddick being multiple finalist at Wimbledon and totally hopeless on clay...how do you explain that?

Serve is the only thing left that is still somewhat more effective on grass. That's what Roddick always had.

ibbi
04-20-2011, 04:07 PM
Considering it only took Nadal three attempts to beat him at Wimbledon, I'd say no. Considering Federer has never won Wimbledon without dropping a set, I'd say no again. I don't think Nadal has ever even played a 5 set match at Roland Garros. I think Federer's grass court record has far more of a shine on it because the grass season is so short. I don't know how it's even possible to "outshine" what Nadal has done on clay.