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15_ounce
04-22-2011, 03:25 AM
http://tennis.com/articles/templates/ticker.aspx?articleid=11595&zoneid=6


Nadal concerned about "illegal" Davis Cup court speed


Reported on April 21, 2011

World No. 1 Rafael Nadal says that even though the International Tennis Federation denied Spain’s appeal of the surface the United States will use for its Davis Cup tie, the ITF must be diligent in checking court speed.

By a unanimous vote, the ITF’s Davis Cup Committee agreed that the surface “Premier Court,” chosen for the tie July in Austin, Texas, complies with regulations. Premier was termed as a generic type of acrylic hard court, which is said to used in over 30 ATP events and two Grand Slam tournaments, with varying speeds.

"The most important and the main thing is to see the court and see how it is," Nadal said. "The fastest [courts] I've played on are in Tokyo and Montreal. If the Austin court is faster than these, then you have grounds for complaint, because it is illegal. But I know that the ITF has equipment to measure speed the ball and not allow it to violate the limits. However, we all know that when we play away, they always put in the fastest courts they can."

Spanish Davis Cup Albert Costa added: "What worries me most is not knowing exactly what the proposed court is. We must know what to expect. However, it is essential that the ITF takes it seriously and not allow irregularities."

Court Pace Rating testing will be carried out by the ITF Science and Technical Department once the court is laid in Austin and available for play.—Matthew Cronin

jamesblakefan#1
04-22-2011, 03:50 AM
From what I've seen there's no such regulation as to how fast/slow DC courts can be. The ITF has already spoken and said that the US' choice of surface is OK. Nadal or Costa or someone in Spain must be mistaken, b/c the US' choice of court has been approved in the past as perfectly fine. But again, I've never heard of any such regulation as to how fast a court could be in Davis Cup. Just sounds like more sour pussing from the Spaniards.

Dilettante
04-22-2011, 03:52 AM
The first thing you guys have to do before giving your opinion is to read and understand the Davis Cup's rule about surfaces. The rules are at the DC website for anyone to read.

Then you can give an opinion that is something more than bashing the rivals.

Emet74
04-22-2011, 04:05 AM
Yes there are rules about the speed and as Nadal says the ITF has equipment to test the court and make sure it's within the rules.

So what's the problem? Why suggest that the US would go over the limit or that the ITF wouldn't catch that if it did?

Sorry but there's an awful lot of whining going on by Spain over exactly nothing other than that they're going to play an away tie. That's life in the world of DC.

And frankly given that they're the world's best team (at least the best record in recent years) and have the world's best player, all this bellyaching is pretty unseemly.

aphex
04-22-2011, 04:17 AM
Yes there are rules about the speed and as Nadal says the ITF has equipment to test the court and make sure it's within the rules.

So what's the problem? Why suggest that the US would go over the limit or that the ITF wouldn't catch that if it did?

Sorry but there's an awful lot of whining going on by Spain over exactly nothing other than that they're going to play an away tie. That's life in the world of DC.

And frankly given that they're the world's best team (at least the best record in recent years) and have the world's best player, all this bellyaching is pretty unseemly.

They're not and they don't. Chickenvic leads the race by a healthy margin.

jamesblakefan#1
04-22-2011, 04:18 AM
The first thing you guys have to do before giving your opinion is to read and understand the Davis Cup's rule about surfaces. The rules are at the DC website for anyone to read.

Then you can give an opinion that is something more than bashing the rivals.

"The pace of the courts to be used in competition, excluding grass and clay surfaces, shall have a measured ITF Court Pace Rating between 24 & 50 inclusive when using the tie ball. Where practical, Court Pace Ratings shall be confirmed and approved by the ITF in advance of the tie. Otherwise, all testing...should be conducted on site.

If ... the court does not comply..., the Host nation will be subject to...: reduction of Davis Cup ranking points, fines, ineligibility for all or part of relegation 54 payments to nations, forfeiture of choice of ground in next or subsequent occasions when country is up to choose, relegation to lower division of competition, disqualification for the current year and/or entry refused for future competitions"

http://content.yudu.com/Library/A1qmy4/DavisCupRulesampRegu/resources/index.htm?referrerUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.daviscup.co m%2Fen%2Forganisation%2Frules-regulations.aspx

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The point still remains - the ITF has a system in place and has approved the US' choice of surface unanimously. Yet the Spaniards are still complaining as if the US has brought in an illegal surface or alien surface. If the courts are found to be illegal, then the US will be punished accordingly. Until then, it's much ado about nothing.

cucio
04-22-2011, 04:19 AM
The first thing you guys have to do before giving your opinion is to read and understand the Davis Cup's rule about surfaces.


I disagree. If someone is going to be a smart-*** and use the maternal family name of a player to start a trolling thread, the very first thing he should do is to check out how do you spell it correctly. Otherwise he will remain just another:

http://lolilux.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Troll-fail.jpg

vive le beau jeu !
04-22-2011, 04:22 AM
so having all the carpet tournaments removed from the tour is still not enough for the nadal ?... now he wants to impose his own rules for davis cup ? http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/images/icons/icon13.gif

Gemini
04-22-2011, 04:25 AM
http://tennis.com/articles/templates/ticker.aspx?articleid=11595&zoneid=6


Nadal concerned about "illegal" Davis Cup court speed


Reported on April 21, 2011

World No. 1 Rafael Nadal says that even though the International Tennis Federation denied Spain’s appeal of the surface the United States will use for its Davis Cup tie, the ITF must be diligent in checking court speed.

By a unanimous vote, the ITF’s Davis Cup Committee agreed that the surface “Premier Court,” chosen for the tie July in Austin, Texas, complies with regulations. Premier was termed as a generic type of acrylic hard court, which is said to used in over 30 ATP events and two Grand Slam tournaments, with varying speeds.

"The most important and the main thing is to see the court and see how it is," Nadal said. "The fastest [courts] I've played on are in Tokyo and Montreal. If the Austin court is faster than these, then you have grounds for complaint, because it is illegal. But I know that the ITF has equipment to measure speed the ball and not allow it to violate the limits. However, we all know that when we play away, they always put in the fastest courts they can."

Spanish Davis Cup Albert Costa added: "What worries me most is not knowing exactly what the proposed court is. We must know what to expect. However, it is essential that the ITF takes it seriously and not allow irregularities."

Court Pace Rating testing will be carried out by the ITF Science and Technical Department once the court is laid in Austin and available for play.—Matthew Cronin

I'd have to disagree with Nadal when he says "...the fastest courts he's played on are Tokyo and Montreal and if it (Austin) is faster than either of these two then it's illegal". Just because it may be faster than these two tournaments, doesn't mean it violates the official limits of how fast (or slow) a court surface can be. That has to be proven through testing.

Also, I think it's kind of a weak protest based on "not recognizing the name and it not being on the list" if the composition of the surface is within regulation AND the ITF has done its due diligence in assuring that the surface is suitable for play.

aphex
04-22-2011, 04:26 AM
Spain will retaliate!

http://www.tennisnz.com/Resource.aspx?ID=5341

Dilettante
04-22-2011, 04:28 AM
"The pace of the courts to be used in competition, excluding grass and clay surfaces, shall have a measured ITF Court Pace Rating between 24 & 50 inclusive when using the tie ball. Where practical, Court Pace Ratings shall be confirmed and approved by the ITF in advance of the tie. Otherwise, all testing...should be conducted on site.

If ... the court does not comply..., the Host nation will be subject to...: reduction of Davis Cup ranking points, fines, ineligibility for all or part of relegation 54 payments to nations, forfeiture of choice of ground in next or subsequent occasions when country is up to choose, relegation to lower division of competition, disqualification for the current year and/or entry refused for future competitions"

http://content.yudu.com/Library/A1qmy4/DavisCupRulesampRegu/resources/index.htm?referrerUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.daviscup.co m%2Fen%2Forganisation%2Frules-regulations.aspx

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The point still remains - the ITF has a system in place and has approved the US' choice of surface unanimously. Yet the Spaniards are still complaining as if the US has brought in an illegal surface or alien surface. If the courts are found to be illegal, then the US will be punished accordingly. Until then, it's much ado about nothing.

(patience sigh)

Costa was not talking about the speed rule, but about the rule that says only surfaces used in a Grand Slam or other 3 ATP events are legal for Davis Cup, regardless of the speed.

It's not a speed matter, it's about if that precise surface is used in the required tournaments.

When you guys discuss a matter get your information straight, even if you read the rules it's not enough when you're not pointing at the right rule. You got it wrong I'm afraid.

jamesblakefan#1
04-22-2011, 04:35 AM
(patience sigh)

Costa was not talking about the speed rule, but about the rule that says only surfaces used in a Grand Slam or other 3 ATP events are legal for Davis Cup, regardless of the speed.

It's not a speed matter, it's about if that precise surface is used in the required tournaments.

When you guys discuss a matter get your information straight, even if you read the rules it's not enough when you're not pointing at the right rule. You got it wrong I'm afraid.

Nadal's talking about speed though. He seems to think that the court can't be faster than any on tour, which is not the case.

RE: Costa

By a unanimous vote, the ITF’s Davis Cup Committee agreed that the surface “Premier Court,” chosen for the tie July in Austin, Texas, complies with regulations. Premier was termed as a generic type of acrylic hard court, which is said to used in over 30 ATP events and two Grand Slam tournaments, with varying speeds.

So again, Costa is making it like the US is bringing in an alien or illegal surface, but the ITF ruled that is not the case. So the only dispute remains the speed of the court, which the ITF will test once it's laid.

Dilettante
04-22-2011, 04:47 AM
Nadal's talking about speed though. He seems to think that the court can't be faster than any on tour, which is not the case.

Of course it can't be faster than any on tour because it can't be different to those used on tour, accordign to the rule. It's quite simple.

RE: Costa

By a unanimous vote, the ITF’s Davis Cup Committee agreed that the surface “Premier Court,” chosen for the tie July in Austin, Texas, complies with regulations. Premier was termed as a generic type of acrylic hard court, which is said to used in over 30 ATP events and two Grand Slam tournaments, with varying speeds.

So again, Costa is making it like the US is bringing in an alien or illegal surface, but the ITF ruled that is not the case. So the only dispute remains the speed of the court, which the ITF will test once it's laid.

Speed of court is not a dispute in itself, but nature of the court. Costa thinks that particular surface is custom made and not like the ones used on tour, therefore its particularities are not known enough by rivals, that is/was the dispute.

Again, get your facts straight.

Emet74
04-22-2011, 05:05 AM
Dilettante,

Everything James Blake Fan has written is correct.

Costa originally complained about the nature of the surface; well his complaint was rejected unanimously by the ITF panel.

Now Nadal is floating the possiblity that perhaps the court will be too fast; also erroneously stating that if it's faster than Tokyo or Montreal it will be too fast.

Actually there are very specific rules about exactly how fast the court can be and the court will be tested by the ITF to make sure it complies, as all courts are tested in all DC ties.

Much ado about nothing is right.

sureshs
04-22-2011, 07:32 AM
Now Nadal is floating the possiblity that perhaps the court will be too fast; also erroneously stating that if it's faster than Tokyo or Montreal it will be too fast.


By faster, he probably meant much faster, not a 0.1% increase.

Devilito
04-22-2011, 07:37 AM
"The most important and the main thing is to see the court and see how it is," Nadal said. "The fastest [courts] I've played on are in Tokyo and Montreal. If the Austin court is faster than these, then you have grounds for complaint, because it is illegal. But I know that the ITF has equipment to measure speed the ball and not allow it to violate the limits. However, we all know that when we play away, they always put in the fastest courts they can."


lol Nadal has no clue how lucky he is with that statement

mtr1
04-22-2011, 08:44 AM
I thought Montreal was one of the slowest hard courts on the tour?

mandy01
04-22-2011, 10:50 AM
["The most important and the main thing is to see the court and see how it is," Nadal said. "The fastest [courts] I've played on are in Tokyo and Montreal. If the Austin court is faster than these, then you have grounds for complaint, because it is illegal. But I know that the ITF has equipment to measure speed the ball and not allow it to violate the limits. However, we all know that when we play away, they always put in the fastest courts they can."

Yeah..because you won them.:lol:

Kunohara
04-22-2011, 10:53 AM
Kinda funny, given that Nadal has won both Montreal and Tokyo. The former when he was still a very average HC player, the other one last eyar (if im not mistaken ?).

He really needs to stop crying.

I live in Montreal and attend the Rogers Cup almost every eyar (almost, because I like to skip it sometimes when we get the women) and the court is NOT all that fast.

Murrayfan31
04-22-2011, 11:23 AM
The fastest court Nadal has played on is Cincinnati and he skipped last years Paris which was really fast as well. I'm hoping the ITF lets the Americans play with the fastest court possible.

TheTruth
04-22-2011, 11:28 AM
Nobody brings a case without a cause. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

bolo
04-22-2011, 11:34 AM
Nadal also wants the atp rankings to be over 2 years. He wants to run the ATP too! :)

Omega_7000
04-22-2011, 12:19 PM
The fastest court Nadal has played on is Cincinnati and he skipped last years Paris which was really fast as well. I'm hoping the ITF lets the Americans play with the fastest court possible.

Amen.

I wonder if the Spaniards would be crying if the surface chosen was slower than any of the surfaces used in the Grand Slams?

Gemini
04-22-2011, 12:27 PM
Amen.

I wonder if the Spaniards would be crying if the surface chosen was slower than any of the surfaces used in the Grand Slams?

They wouldn't be because as far as I know the only surface that could be affected that much is...wait for it......a clay court.

Since they OWN the dirt, they'd never dispute a clay choice.

Rippy
04-22-2011, 01:21 PM
Nadal concerned about "illegal" Davis Cup court speed


I am concerned about Nadal's "illegal" speed between points.

Rock Strongo
04-22-2011, 01:30 PM
I am concerned about Nadal's "illegal" speed between points.

The ITF would be boss if they brought this up as a counter-argument.

But hey, at least this means we might see Nadal serving and volleying! That or completely boycotting the tie.

Omega_7000
04-22-2011, 03:36 PM
The ITF would be boss if they brought this up as a counter-argument.

But hey, at least this means we might see Nadal serving and volleying! That or completely boycotting the tie.


Maybe the US players need to start grumbling about this?

Fee
04-22-2011, 03:41 PM
Why does this same story need 3 threads?