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OddJack
04-25-2011, 11:12 AM
Sure can, with a friendly draw.. go for it buddy.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110425/sp_wl_afp/tennisatpwtapor_20110425182919

sureshs
04-25-2011, 11:17 AM
No..................

Big Dave
04-25-2011, 11:21 AM
i dont see that happening, but then again, i didnt see it happening at the 09 french... guess anything is possible. If sod is playing his A++ game, he can take anyone on the dirt, he's proven he can.

Lsmkenpo
04-25-2011, 11:22 AM
http://img1.newser.com/square-image/60600-20110331223120/nadal-falls-in-4th-round.jpeg

Cassius Clay
04-25-2011, 11:27 AM
Sure can, with a friendly draw.. go for it buddy.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110425/sp_wl_afp/tennisatpwtapor_20110425182919

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8HrnkJgQQE

Murrayfan31
04-25-2011, 11:27 AM
Who can't beat Nadal? Everyone take their turn.

ksbh
04-25-2011, 11:27 AM
Now if only Andy Roddick had the same attitude ... but instead he wants to lose 8 finals to Federer. He's lost 4 times, so 4 to go. I doubt he'll ever fulfill his ambition because to lose 4 more times, he'll have to get to 4 finals!

Sure can, with a friendly draw.. go for it buddy.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110425/sp_wl_afp/tennisatpwtapor_20110425182919

Lsmkenpo
04-25-2011, 11:36 AM
http://cdn.picapp.com/ftp/Images/1/f/8/3/ATP_World_Tour_9f9d.jpg?adImageId=7762026&imageId=7119745

Mortifier
04-25-2011, 11:39 AM
If only more players had the same mentality as him. Taken out of context his statement seems dumb, but read the whole thing and you might actually admire him.

namelessone
04-25-2011, 11:41 AM
If the Nadal from MC and Barca shows up, he is up for the taking for many top guys, not just soderling, and especially in two outta three.

Nadal's routine these days seems to be: break-give the break back-break-win a couple of games, have tight finishing games- win set- have seconds set slump - win match.

Many of these gifts(Rafa is making lots more UE this clay season than usual) will not fly in the face of higher ranked players.

Ferru is a fighter but he is very vulnerable on his own service games and Rafa, with his B-,C game bossed him around when Ferru was serving.

A good scenario for Rafa would be to lose in either Rome or Madrid to be extra hungry for Roland Garros.

DjokerIsTheBest
04-25-2011, 11:47 AM
Too bad Nadal was injured at MC and Barca, else he would not have lost a game.

eidolonshinobi
04-25-2011, 11:57 AM
Uncle Toni is clearly the big factor here. Without him he'll lose ;P

miyagi
04-25-2011, 11:57 AM
Hell Yea he could.....I hope he doesnt especially this year.....but he would certainly be a major force if he managed to get to RG final again.

nadalbestclass
04-25-2011, 11:57 AM
This is the quote you should have put.

"you have to go to the court thinking that you have a chance. Otherwise, what's the point? Nadal is the best on clay ever but he can be beaten. You just have to play your best tennis and have some luck."

It's one of the reasons Nadal was able to take on Fed in his peak. He had no fear, and while he always said Fed was the greatest ever, it didn't mean he was unbeatable.
Sod said it as it is.
1) you have to play your best.
2) you have to have some luck.

Pozarevacka
04-25-2011, 11:59 AM
If only more players had the same mentality as him. Taken out of context his statement seems dumb, but read the whole thing and you might actually admire him.

Come on man, you know that Ralphtardians are spotty readers. You cannot get one of them to read something from soup to nuts. And that is only the fans that are literate.

nadalbestclass
04-25-2011, 12:04 PM
Come on man, you know that Ralphtardians are spotty readers. You cannot get one of them to read something from soup to nuts. And that is only the fans that are literate.

Start by reading the post above yours. Looks like we aren't the only spotty readers.

NadalAgassi
04-25-2011, 12:06 PM
I dont begrude him at all for believing in himself. A top 5 player who has made slam finals and beaten Federer and Nadal in a slam should believe he can do it. That said no way in hell does he ever do it again. Personally I think his best days are already past him, and he will go downhill from here.

NadalAgassi
04-25-2011, 12:08 PM
Who can't beat Nadal? Everyone take their turn.

Who cant beat mopey Murray? Even Donald Young can do it.

DjokerIsTheBest
04-25-2011, 12:17 PM
I dont begrude him at all for believing in himself. A top 5 player who has made slam finals and beaten Federer and Nadal in a slam should believe he can do it. That said no way in hell does he ever do it again. Personally I think his best days are already past him, and he will go downhill from here.

Isn't Murray also a top 5 player who has at least beaten Nadal in slams numerous times.

Gemini
04-25-2011, 12:20 PM
It's the same attitude that players have adopted against Federer. I believe him when he says he can beat Nadal again. It's just that the odds are not regularly in his favor.

The-Champ
04-25-2011, 12:21 PM
Come on man, you know that Ralphtardians are spotty readers. You cannot get one of them to read something from soup to nuts. And that is only the fans that are literate.



..and one of the most common logical fallacies that Nadal haters use is hasty generalization.

DjokerIsTheBest
04-25-2011, 12:22 PM
I think Sod will beat Nadal at FO this year. Hell, even Murray got an easy set of Nadal on clay and then only lost because of elbow problems.

Pozarevacka
04-25-2011, 12:25 PM
Start by reading the post above yours. Looks like we aren't the only spotty readers.

What the one in which you immediately turn it into how Ralph has beaten Fed? Oh, ok.

jkang909
04-25-2011, 12:26 PM
if he trees

bolo
04-25-2011, 12:28 PM
Don't really see any big improvement in his game.

Sure like he says with his best tennis and some luck he can win, but yeah 1 in 100 vs. nadal sounds right for his chances :), and then don't forget he has to get to nadal as well. :)

AM95
04-25-2011, 12:31 PM
well he did it once...but he'd need to play 100% the entire match, and the conditions would have to be just right like last year vs fed and in 09 when he bet rafa.

Lsmkenpo
04-25-2011, 12:34 PM
http://images2.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/7526371/French-Open-Why-not-FO-and-Wimbledon.jpg?imageSize=Medium&generatorName=High-Expectations-Asian-Father

mistik
04-25-2011, 12:35 PM
He can only beat Rafa when Rafa is injured.i still expect him to beat djoko on clay this season and fed on grass.

bolo
04-25-2011, 12:37 PM
He can only beat Rafa when Rafa is injured.i still expect him to beat djoko on clay this season and fed on grass.

oh ho, if he takes out the djoker at RG, that would be the hat trick for Le Sod! :)

nadalbestclass
04-25-2011, 12:38 PM
What the one in which you immediately turn it into how Ralph has beaten Fed? Oh, ok.

More proof of selective reading and deep set insecurity. Find me other examples of currently active players who needed to use that mentality. I only stated a fact. Not just against Fed, when Nadal was climbing the ranks, he was intimidated by no one. He had and still has immense respect, but he believed he could win. This coupled with the fact that he had the game to do it, allowed him to win. If you are in the top 10 you are capable of beating anyone, you've just got to believe. That is all Soderling is saying, and I respect that.

mistik
04-25-2011, 12:44 PM
More proof of selective reading and deep set insecurity. Find me other examples of currently active players who needed to use that mentality. I only stated a fact. Not just against Fed, when Nadal was climbing the ranks, he was intimidated by no one. He had and still has immense respect, but he believed he could win. This coupled with the fact that he had the game to do it, allowed him to win. If you are in the top 10 you are capable of beating anyone, you've just got to believe. That is all Soderling is saying, and I respect that.
I don't love sod but I also respect that as well. He indeed knows how to compete.

Semi-Pro
04-25-2011, 12:47 PM
oh ho, if he takes out the djoker at RG, that would be the hat trick for Le Sod! :)

You would like that, wouldn't you? :)

Bud
04-25-2011, 12:56 PM
It should read... "I can beat Nadal again... if he's injured and playing at far less than his ability"

Otherwise, it ain't happening :)

DjokerIsTheBest
04-25-2011, 12:57 PM
Didn't Sod beat Nadal after he had destroyed his previous opponents at the FO?

bolo
04-25-2011, 12:58 PM
You would like that, wouldn't you? :)

It would be exciting :) although at the end of the day what are djoker's chances of beating nadal h-h on clay, maybe like 15%(?), so not super duper exciting.

jamesblakefan#1
04-25-2011, 12:58 PM
It should read... "I can beat Nadal again... if he's injured and playing at far less than his ability"

Otherwise, it ain't happening :)


Nadal only loses when he's injured. Nadal is only injured when he loses.

In other news, the sky is blue and grass is green.

mistik
04-25-2011, 01:02 PM
Haters can think what ever they want Nadal didn't lose in gs level when he is fit since he lost to Tsonga 2008 AO semi,since then injuries and then some personal problems are his biggest rival.

Bud
04-25-2011, 01:03 PM
Nadal only loses when he's injured. Nadal is only injured when he loses.

In other news, the sky is blue and grass is green.

There have been many times Nadal has lost uninjured... but 2009 RG wasn't one of them. Even with two badly injured knees, it took Soderling 4 sets and 2 TB's to defeat Nadal that day. A healthy Nadal showed us how he fares against Soderling in the 2010 RG final (Nadal d. Soderling 6-4, 6-2, 6-4).

Instead of simply parroting some Nadal-hating trolls on TT, think it through critically.

DjokerIsTheBest
04-25-2011, 01:04 PM
Haters can think what ever they want Nadal didn't lose in gs level when he is fit since he lost to Tsonga 2008 AO semi,since then injuries and then some personal problems are his biggest rival.

You mean since he lost to Sod at FO 09.

mistik
04-25-2011, 01:07 PM
You mean since he lost to Sod at FO 09.

No I mean since he lost tsonga 2008 AO semi.

nadalbestclass
04-25-2011, 01:10 PM
You would like that, wouldn't you? :)

yes :oops:

:twisted:

Omega_7000
04-25-2011, 01:10 PM
Now if only Andy Roddick had the same attitude ... but instead he wants to lose 8 finals to Federer. He's lost 4 times, so 4 to go. I doubt he'll ever fulfill his ambition because to lose 4 more times, he'll have to get to 4 finals!

Jeez why are you so obsessed with Fed? The thread is about Sod potentially beating Nadal on clay...not Fed.

DjokerIsTheBest
04-25-2011, 01:10 PM
No I mean since he lost tsonga 2008 AO semi.

By those standards then he must have been injured against Tsonga as well.

mistik
04-25-2011, 01:14 PM
By those standards then he must have been injured against Tsonga as well.

Well he wasn't also feeling that well,that day as well.wrong tactics and some personal problems that day.

jamesblakefan#1
04-25-2011, 01:14 PM
There have been many times Nadal has lost uninjured... but 2009 RG wasn't one of them. Even with two badly injured knees, it took Soderling 4 sets and 2 TB's to defeat Nadal that day. A healthy Nadal showed us how he fares against Soderling in the 2010 RG final (Nadal d. Soderling 6-4, 6-2, 6-4).

Instead of simply parroting some Nadal-hating trolls on TT, think it through critically.

Soderling didn't play well in the RG final, and Nadal played great of course. Either way, Soderling has shown he has the game to beat Nadal on clay, healthy or non healthy. Of course it's gonna take luck for anyone to beat Nadal on clay, but if Nadal's level drops and Sod puts in another godlike performance like he had at RG 09 and last yr vs Fed, he can beat him.

And the 2nd part of your post - aren't you the guy that was claiming Nadal was hurt last year vs Gulbis in Rome, without any evidence that he actually was? So yeah, of course that's the party line for you guys.

I'm hoping to hell nothing happened to his knee during that one point where it looked like he tweaked it. His movement seems to have gone downhill as well.

Right there... that ball was 6 feet away and Nadal didn't even move toward it!

Something way off here.

It's not looking good. Something's up

Not liking his lack of movement... reminds me of Federer :lol:

So wait I guess Nadal's healthy now? Funny how that works out. :lol:

Agreed! I don't know how Rafa pulled this match outta his butt, though! He was playing from behind from the beginning of set#2 until that last game (and he squeaked out set #1 as well).

This was a huge win.

When Gulbis finally gets to the point where he feels like he belongs beating the top guys... watch out. This guy is dangerous.

And he was injured as well but somehow overcame it miracously and is now 100% healthy!!!! :D

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=4614943&postcount=1264

Rhino
04-25-2011, 01:21 PM
I think he can.

ksbh
04-25-2011, 01:21 PM
7000!

I talk about Roddick's loser attitude and in response what do you do ... drag Federer into it. Stop being obsessed with Federer! You should be more concerned about the foolish Breakpoint who called Federer a pedophile!

Jeez why are you so obsessed with Fed? The thread is about Sod potentially beating Nadal on clay...not Fed.

Lsmkenpo
04-25-2011, 01:28 PM
It should read... "I can beat Nadal again... if he's injured and playing at far less than his ability"

Otherwise, it ain't happening :)


http://www.gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=2399182&t=o

Cassius Clay
04-25-2011, 01:45 PM
http://www.gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=2399182&t=o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HObQdGsaTAA&NR=1

aldeayeah
04-25-2011, 01:55 PM
Sure can, with a friendly draw.. go for it buddy.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110425/sp_wl_afp/tennisatpwtapor_20110425182919

Sure he can... but will he?

stevorino
04-25-2011, 02:03 PM
sure robin can, roger cant

All-rounder
04-25-2011, 02:30 PM
More Nonsense the only person with a legit shot is djokovic

Pozarevacka
04-25-2011, 02:55 PM
More Nonsense the only person with a legit shot is djokovic

In the end, I do agree with this. Very weak clay court era.

NamRanger
04-25-2011, 03:14 PM
There have been many times Nadal has lost uninjured... but 2009 RG wasn't one of them. Even with two badly injured knees, it took Soderling 4 sets and 2 TB's to defeat Nadal that day. A healthy Nadal showed us how he fares against Soderling in the 2010 RG final (Nadal d. Soderling 6-4, 6-2, 6-4).

Instead of simply parroting some Nadal-hating trolls on TT, think it through critically.



You should be the last person to analyze whether or not a tennis player is injured or not (especially one that is chronically injured throughout the year due to his OWN fault).


There is no Nadal hating. Nadal lost Roland Garros 09 fair and square. He showed up, and declared his fitness by doing so. He simply got beat, period.

mellowyellow
04-25-2011, 03:25 PM
By those standards then he must have been injured against Tsonga as well.

No, that was Rafa Williams that has lost hose matches not Nadal. The ITF needs to separate these guys for the average fans better understanding that Rafa Nadal can not lose when he is 100 percent healthy coming off knee treatments.

nadalbestclass
04-25-2011, 03:25 PM
You should be the last person to analyze whether or not a tennis player is injured or not (especially one that is chronically injured throughout the year due to his OWN fault).


There is no Nadal hating. Nadal lost Roland Garros 09 fair and square. He showed up, and declared his fitness by doing so. He simply got beat, period.

I'm not defending anyone, but it's not always that simple. Players do come on court injured, some player get injured while playing. So yes, a win is a win and it will always be recoded that way. Unless there is a retirement, there will be no asterisk next to it. It will not change the fact that a player was not at his best in the match. You cannot say, "he won because______ was injured", but there is nothing wrong with saying, "________was injured".

Tony48
04-25-2011, 03:44 PM
It's very unlikely for him to do it again but at least he believes he can do it. That's a lot more than you can ask from the rest of the clowns on tour. At least he's done it before.

Bud
04-25-2011, 03:50 PM
Soderling didn't play well in the RG final, and Nadal played great of course. Either way, Soderling has shown he has the game to beat Nadal on clay, healthy or non healthy. Of course it's gonna take luck for anyone to beat Nadal on clay, but if Nadal's level drops and Sod puts in another godlike performance like he had at RG 09 and last yr vs Fed, he can beat him.

And the 2nd part of your post - aren't you the guy that was claiming Nadal was hurt last year vs Gulbis in Rome, without any evidence that he actually was? So yeah, of course that's the party line for you guys.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=4614943&postcount=1264

You really wasted time looking up some of my old posts from one single match thread to somehow prove me wrong? I simply commented in the thread (which was created during a live match) about Nadal's poor movement. I didn't claim anything, as you state. At the time, we were all wondering if Nadal's injury after Madrid in 2009 would re-occur in 2010.

You basically wasted a bunch of your own time.

Lsmkenpo
04-25-2011, 03:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HObQdGsaTAA&NR=1


http://www.gifsoup.com/view5/2399876/nadal-chokes-on-bananaa-o.gif

Semi-Pro
04-25-2011, 03:59 PM
yes :oops:

:twisted:

Lmao meg!!

Bolo and I enjoy throwing jabs at each other occasionally but it's all in good fun :)

jackson vile
04-25-2011, 03:59 PM
http://cdn.picapp.com/ftp/Images/1/f/8/3/ATP_World_Tour_9f9d.jpg?adImageId=7762026&imageId=7119745

Time to bring the Thunder!

nadalbestclass
04-25-2011, 04:02 PM
Lmao meg!!

Bolo and I enjoy throwing jabs at each other occasionally but it's all in good fun :)

haha! Ya I figured.

quest01
04-25-2011, 04:06 PM
If hes injured or tired, maybe.

Mustard
04-25-2011, 04:10 PM
http://www.gifsoup.com/view5/2399876/nadal-chokes-on-bananaa-o.gif

I remember that one. That was Nadal's R32 match against Mathieu at the 2006 French Open. Nadal got a piece of banana stuck in his throat. That was a tough match for Nadal, winning 5-7, 6-4, 6-4, 6-4. That was Nadal's 56th win in a row on clay.

billnepill
04-25-2011, 04:12 PM
I remember that one. That was Nadal's R32 match against Mathieu at the 2006 French Open. Nadal got a piece of banana stuck in his throat. That was a tough match for Nadal, winning 5-7, 6-4, 6-4, 6-4.

I wonder if Nadal lost that match, would it be because of a "banana injury"?

Mustard
04-25-2011, 04:13 PM
I wonder if Nadal lost that match, would it be because of a "banana injury"?

Does it matter? A loss is a loss.

nadalbestclass
04-25-2011, 04:14 PM
I remember that one. That was Nadal's R32 match against Mathieu at the 2006 French Open. Nadal got a piece of banana stuck in his throat. That was a tough match for Nadal, winning 5-7, 6-4, 6-4, 6-4. That was Nadal's 56th win in a row on clay.

:shock: Mustard, can I please have your memory? :D

jamesblakefan#1
04-25-2011, 04:14 PM
You really wasted time looking up some of my old posts from one single match thread to somehow prove me wrong? I simply commented in the thread (which was created during a live match) about Nadal's poor movement. I didn't claim anything, as you state. At the time, we were all wondering if Nadal's injury after Madrid in 2009 would re-occur in 2010.

You basically wasted a bunch of your own time.

At the time Nadal was losing. Thus, the injury card came out. This is just one example, there's plenty of other times where a select few Nadal fans pull the injury card out during matches when Nadal is losing.

Nadal has tendinitis. It's always going to be an issue for him. Thus, you guys can conveniently use it whenever he loses or more accurately, gets destroyed in a match. He lost close to Djoker in IW/Miami, but of course AO he was hurt, Doha vs Davydenko he was 'sick', WTF vs Fed he was 'tired'...do I really need to go on?

Lsmkenpo
04-25-2011, 04:17 PM
Time to bring the Thunder!

Damn straight !!

http://www.gifsoup.com/view1/2399981/soderling-scream-o.gif

Mustard
04-25-2011, 04:19 PM
:shock: Mustard, can I please have your memory? :D

LOL :razz:

10 characters

Bud
04-25-2011, 04:55 PM
At the time Nadal was losing. Thus, the injury card came out. This is just one example, there's plenty of other times where a select few Nadal fans pull the injury card out during matches when Nadal is losing.

Nadal has tendinitis. It's always going to be an issue for him. Thus, you guys can conveniently use it whenever he loses or more accurately, gets destroyed in a match. He lost close to Djoker in IW/Miami, but of course AO he was hurt, Doha vs Davydenko he was 'sick', WTF vs Fed he was 'tired'...do I really need to go on?

When you've lost 4 matches in 5 years on clay... and you're not moving well, people are going to question why (especially considering what happened the previous year after Madrid).

BTW, have you heard a peep about Nadal's tendinitis since he received the treatment on both his knees?

Now, go away and stop repeating a number of trolls on the board.

OddJack
04-25-2011, 05:24 PM
Oh, I left this out from the poll:

--Only if her parents have a fight the night before

GOAT BAAH!!!
04-25-2011, 06:13 PM
Damn straight !!

http://www.gifsoup.com/view1/2399981/soderling-scream-o.gif



I love that reaction.

I also love when he won the Roland Garros final in 2010.


Can Robin defend his FO title this year?

Cassius Clay
04-25-2011, 06:23 PM
Damn straight !!

http://www.gifsoup.com/view1/2399981/soderling-scream-o.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LlaBY6aaLg

Lsmkenpo
04-25-2011, 06:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LlaBY6aaLg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmOJa6T8z-k

This clip reminds me of Nadal and his *******s, I imagine you as the guy sitting to Eddie's left.

Semi-Pro
04-25-2011, 06:34 PM
http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_ten_experts/ept_sports_ten_experts-485710422-1243804800.jpg?ymAiIWBDoG0.yu.Z

http://www.sofiaecho.com/shimg/zx500y290_732851.jpg

MichaelNadal
04-25-2011, 06:37 PM
When you've lost 4 matches in 5 years on clay... and you're not moving well, people are going to question why (especially considering what happened the previous year after Madrid).

BTW, have you heard a peep about Nadal's tendinitis since he received the treatment on both his knees?

Now, go away and stop repeating a number of trolls on the board.

Exactly. No Rafa fans have said ANYTHING about Rafa being injured lately.

Semi-Pro
04-25-2011, 06:40 PM
Exactly. No Rafa fans have said ANYTHING about Rafa being injured lately.

Because he hasn't lost on the red clay yet chap ;-)

nadalbestclass
04-25-2011, 07:06 PM
http://www.sofiaecho.com/shimg/zx500y290_732851.jpg

Low blow semi-pro, low blow. :p

Fate Archer
04-25-2011, 07:21 PM
Step 1: believe in yourself.
Step 2: Act accordingly to accomplish your objectives.
Step 3: Profit.

Soderling can beat anyone on RG if he's playing his best. He discovered that which is the most important thing for a tennis player: true self-confidence. As long as no one takes away that from him, he will always have a chance there.

NamRanger
04-25-2011, 07:30 PM
I'm not defending anyone, but it's not always that simple. Players do come on court injured, some player get injured while playing. So yes, a win is a win and it will always be recoded that way. Unless there is a retirement, there will be no asterisk next to it. It will not change the fact that a player was not at his best in the match. You cannot say, "he won because______ was injured", but there is nothing wrong with saying, "________was injured".



When you show up to the court you are declaring that you are fit to play. Period. You no longer have any excuses when you show up. You aren't allowed to make excuses when you show up; doesn't matter. If you aren't fit enough to play you shouldn't be playing. Everyone is injured too, Nadal is not the only one that deals with tendinitis. People make it like tendinitis is some chronic special injury that only Nadal gets.


GUESS WHAT, I GUARANTEE NEARLY EVERY SINGLE TENNIS PRO PLAYER SUFFERS FROM SOME SORT OF TENDINITIS.


So honestly Nadal fans, SHUT UP ABOUT IT.

GOAT BAAH!!!
04-25-2011, 07:35 PM
Step 1: believe in yourself.
Step 2: Act accordingly to accomplish your objectives.
Step 3: Profit.

Soderling can beat anyone on RG if he's playing his best. He discovered that which is the most important thing for a tennis player: true self-confidence. As long as no one takes away that from him, he will always have a chance there.


Great post.
This guy is one of the world's top players and if he didn't have any confidence in his ability to cross the threshold his life's work would be fruitless.

nadalbestclass
04-25-2011, 07:46 PM
When you show up to the court you are declaring that you are fit to play. Period. You no longer have any excuses when you show up. You aren't allowed to make excuses when you show up; doesn't matter. If you aren't fit enough to play you shouldn't be playing. Everyone is injured too, Nadal is not the only one that deals with tendinitis. People make it like tendinitis is some chronic special injury that only Nadal gets.

GUESS WHAT, I GUARANTEE NEARLY EVERY SINGLE TENNIS PRO PLAYER SUFFERS FROM SOME SORT OF TENDINITIS.

So honestly Nadal fans, SHUT UP ABOUT IT.

:shock:
No need to get so upset about it. It's like you are not even reading.

I wasn't even talking specifically about Nadal!
Anyway, I believe facts and excuses are two different things. If a guy is on court bleeding out of his *** He's injured. It will hinder his play, and that will be a fact.
However, what WON'T change is that his opponent won, and it will be unfair for people to say had X not been bleeding out of his *** he would have won.

If someone is on court and they look fatigued or hurt, it is what it is buddy. I'm not endorsing excuse making, but I can't endorse denial either.

NLBwell
04-25-2011, 08:08 PM
Not saying I would bet on Soderling to win, but he could win.

NamRanger
04-25-2011, 08:15 PM
:shock:
No need to get so upset about it. It's like you are not even reading.

I wasn't even talking specifically about Nadal!
Anyway, I believe facts and excuses are two different things. If a guy is on court bleeding out of his *** He's injured. It will hinder his play, and that will be a fact.
However, what WON'T change is that his opponent won, and it will be unfair for people to say had X not been bleeding out of his *** he would have won.

If someone is on court and they look fatigued or hurt, it is what it is buddy. I'm not endorsing excuse making, but I can't endorse denial either.



Nadal was clearly not so injured that he could not play at a high level. Remember that it was not some total beatdown by Soderling. It took Soderling god mode for 4 straight sets and it was still extremely close.


So considering the circumstances, it is likely that the injury was not hindering his play.

namelessone
04-25-2011, 09:04 PM
Who saw how this thread was gonna turn out? :)

Semi-Pro
04-26-2011, 06:53 AM
Low blow semi-pro, low blow. :p


mmmm, you're right:(

Apologies.

SuperDuy
04-26-2011, 07:10 AM
http://cdn.picapp.com/ftp/Images/1/f/8/3/ATP_World_Tour_9f9d.jpg?adImageId=7762026&imageId=7119745

Soderling is an idiot.

JohnnyCracker
04-26-2011, 07:21 AM
Who saw how this thread was gonna turn out? :)

:) come on, out with it...I know you're dying to tell the story about Nadal's 100 year old bone again ... :lol:

angiebaby
04-26-2011, 07:41 AM
I dont begrude him at all for believing in himself. A top 5 player who has made slam finals and beaten Federer and Nadal in a slam should believe he can do it. That said no way in hell does he ever do it again. Personally I think his best days are already past him, and he will go downhill from here.

Tend to agree with you on that. Of course he can beat Rafa, he did once already. But what are the chances of lightning striking the same place twice?

Cassius Clay
04-26-2011, 07:57 AM
When you show up to the court you are declaring that you are fit to play. Period. You no longer have any excuses when you show up. You aren't allowed to make excuses when you show up; doesn't matter. If you aren't fit enough to play you shouldn't be playing. Everyone is injured too, Nadal is not the only one that deals with tendinitis. People make it like tendinitis is some chronic special injury that only Nadal gets.


When you show up on the court you are NOT declaring anything at all. You can play injured if you want to. Period. A win is a win, of course, but if you don't feel ok during the match for whatever reason, you are entitled to shout it from the hills if you so please.

In the same way, you can show up with a weak serve and declare after the match that you didn't practice your serve much, which probably lost you the match. It's not an excuse. It's part of the game. Staying fit is also part of the game, if you can't manage to stay healthy, it's your fault, but you are entitled to say what you think the reason for your defeat is.

Nadal was injured from Rome to RG in 2009. That's a fact and of course, it was Nadal's fault.

Was Soderling's win legit? Of course.

Would Nadal have won had he not been injured? Most assuredly.

MichaelNadal
04-26-2011, 08:01 AM
When you show up on the court you are NOT declaring anything at all. You can play injured if you want to. Period. A win is a win, of course, but if you don't feel ok during the match for whatever reason, you are entitled to shout it from the hills if you so please.

In the same way, you can show up with a weak serve and declare after the match that you didn't practice your serve much, which probably lost you the match. It's not an excuse. It's part of the game. Staying fit is also part of the game, if you can't manage to stay healthy, it's your fault, but you are entitled to say what you think the reason for your defeat is.

Nadal was injured from Rome to RG in 2009. That's a fact and of course, it was Nadal's fault.

Was Soderling's win legit? Of course.

Would Nadal have won had he not been injured? Most assuredly.

I couldn't agree with this post more.

namelessone
04-26-2011, 08:09 AM
:) come on, out with it...I know you're dying to tell the story about Nadal's 100 year old bone again ... :lol:

Jeez, still pickin' on me for that one huh? :)

I still say I was right, at least in principle. Nadal's body is nowhere near 24, in tennis terms I mean. He has way more wear and tear than most similar 24 year olds on tour.

It's one thing to be 24 on tour not making it past second and third round and quite another to go deep in almost every tourney(becoming a legend of the game while at it) since you were 19.

Lsmkenpo
04-26-2011, 09:34 AM
Tend to agree with you on that. Of course he can beat Rafa, he did once already. But what are the chances of lightning striking the same place twice?


Why don't you tell us what are the exact odds, don't you have it worked out to the final decimal point yet?

You come in here with your Machiavelli signature ,and attempt to portray yourself as some highbrow ******* chick every time you post.

That won't work, no one short of Bud, buys that baby. We dont want to hear about Machiavelli unless your referencing Tupac Shakur's record label or something, not impressed.

Read some of Nadalbestclass's posts that chick has got it balanced just
right, she can be mean but still has some fun with it.

Much more impressive than going the "I'm an intellectual ******* Chick here is my opinion, if you don't agree, I will put you on my ignore list" route.

Soderling will bring his own lightning when he steps onto the court at Roland Garros, that's for damn sure.

It's a shame Soderling wasn't 100% healthy during the final last year, Nadal didn't earn that title he got lucky.

Nadal has never defeated a 100% healthy Robin Soderling.

babbette
04-26-2011, 09:42 AM
Everyone gunning for Nadal. How come nobody was this bold when Federer was on top? everyone's got balls now 8)

CDestroyer
04-26-2011, 10:07 AM
Soderling can beat Doodo boy on any surface. I hope Soda crushes him at the FO2011. That would be great.

angiebaby
04-26-2011, 12:22 PM
Why don't you tell us what are the exact odds, don't you have it worked out to the final decimal point yet?

You come in here with your Machiavelli signature ,and attempt to portray yourself as some highbrow ******* chick every time you post.

That won't work, no one short of Bud, buys that baby. We dont want to hear about Machiavelli unless your referencing Tupac Shakur's record label or something, not impressed.

Read some of Nadalbestclass's posts that chick has got it balanced just
right, she can be mean but still has some fun with it.

Much more impressive than going the "I'm an intellectual ******* Chick here is my opinion, if you don't agree, I will put you on my ignore list" route.

Soderling will bring his own lightning when he steps onto the court at Roland Garros, that's for damn sure.

It's a shame Soderling wasn't 100% healthy during the final last year, Nadal didn't earn that title he got lucky.

Nadal has never defeated a 100% healthy Robin Soderling.


Huh? All I got from this is that you don't like my signature. I'm sorry it seems to upset you so much. I rather like it myself.

Backhanded Compliment
04-26-2011, 07:24 PM
Sod is a great spoiler... and swedes are a bit slower maturing phyiscally so he might just manage to win a slam this year. How is his foot or ankle that keeps bugging him?

GOAT BAAH!!!
04-26-2011, 07:58 PM
Nadal has never defeated a 100% healthy Robin Soderling.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01805/robin-soderling_1805954i.jpg


Cool story bro...

Omega_7000
04-26-2011, 08:00 PM
I couldn't agree with this post more.

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NadalAgassi
04-27-2011, 01:55 PM
Sod is a great spoiler... and swedes are a bit slower maturing phyiscally so he might just manage to win a slam this year. How is his foot or ankle that keeps bugging him?

A spoiler and a champion are two different things. I agree he is a great spoiler but not someone I could see winning a 7th match at a major.

His year has been really weak since his first tournament anyway, which furthers my suspicion he has already peaked.

TheNatural
04-27-2011, 02:53 PM
Sure can, with a friendly draw.. go for it buddy.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110425/sp_wl_afp/tennisatpwtapor_20110425182919

what does he mean 'again'. Sod has never beaten Nadal on clay. Nadal's injured knee beat Nadal, not Sod - Sod was just the lucky guy on the other end of the court when Nadal busted his knee.

NamRanger
04-27-2011, 02:57 PM
When you show up on the court you are NOT declaring anything at all.



Wrong. You are declaring that you are fit enough to play, therefore you have zero excuses when it comes to fitness. Pre existing injuries may be there, but obviously Nadal felt good enough to play a very good match.




In the same way, you can show up with a weak serve and declare after the match that you didn't practice your serve much, which probably lost you the match. It's not an excuse. It's part of the game. Staying fit is also part of the game, if you can't manage to stay healthy, it's your fault, but you are entitled to say what you think the reason for your defeat is.




You can say whatever you want; fact of the matter is you showed up and declared you were fit enough to play, and you got beat fair and square. Nadal fans seemingly can't comprehend that. Doesn't matter if Nadal was injured or not (and if he was, it certainly didn't affect him all that much); when you show up to play, you are declaring that you are fit enough to play despite any nagging injuries you may have.


Saying Nadal lost because of his injury is meaningless. It is an injury that every tennis player most likely has encountered at some point in their career. Nadal fans make it look like tendinitis is only a special case that occurs with Nadal. You have to be seriously joking if you think Nadal is the only one with pain in his knees as a tennis player.



Nadal was injured from Rome to RG in 2009. That's a fact and of course, it was Nadal's fault.


I seriously doubt that. The guy took MC, Rome, and almost took Madrid had he not had to play Djokovic in a 3+ hour match the day before against Federer.


Even IF Nadal was injured, he lost 0 sets before meeting Soderling, and giving some very good players total beatdowns. He previously just gave Soderling the beatdown of his life on a very fast clay court (Rome I think it was where Nadal totally murdered Soderling), despite that supposed "injury" that he had.


So unless you're telling me Nadal's tendinitis all of a sudden got worse (which I highly doubt) after his total demolition job of Lleyton Hewitt, you're really talking out of your ***.



what does he mean 'again'. Sod has never beaten Nadal on clay. Nadal's injured knee beat Nadal, not Sod - Sod was just the lucky guy on the other end of the court when Nadal busted his knee.


According to Nadal's own doctor he had/has chronic tendinitis in his knees which is a common injury among tennis players. It is nothing special. It's not like Nadal was playing crippled out there or anything (i.e. like Roddick was at the AO where his serve was CLEARLY affected by his shoulder injury).



People seemingly forget HOW GOOD Soderling played to beat Nadal. The guy was literally hitting close to 100 mph off both sides (probably cracked a couple above that), serving 70% 130 mph+, and was moving so well for a guy his size. And it still took Soderling 4 very tough sets to beat Nadal. That tells me that Nadal's injury is CLEARLY exaggerated on these forums. If he was as injured as many Nadal fans make it out to be, Soderling would have UTTERLY dominated Nadal, similar to how Del Potro gave Nadal the beatdown of his life at the USO when Nadal could hardly serve.



Soderling beat Nadal because the universe decided that day it was Nadal's day to lose. Many factors contributed to it.

1) Soderling was playing at an unbelievable level that almost no one in history could match. I don't think anyone short of Nadal at 100% (which he very RARELY plays on clay, because it usually comes so easy for him) would have beaten him.

2) The clay was incredibly fast that year due to multiple factors, such as faster balls, extreme heat, the minimal amount of clay covering the surface, so it played incredibly similar to a HC. Guys like Gonzalez, Berdych, Federer, Del Potro, Soderling, etc. all who are huge hitters had great success that year due to the fact that conditions were so fast.

3) Nadal clearly was shaken by the fact that Soderling was playing so well and was not letting up. It is basically the first time ever that a guy at the FO played at Soderling's level and didn't drop. Federer and Mathieu IMO are the only guys that matched Soderling's level, but they didn't sustain that level of play throughout the entire match. Nadal was frustrated by the fact that his defense wasn't working, and the fact that the crowd was against him.

4) Nadal likely was a little tired coming into the FO from playing so many tournaments (he basically won/went deep in every tournament). He rarely comes into the FO 100% healthy IMO simply because his style is so demanding. Whether or not he was injured or not is irrelevant; tendinitis is an injury that I guaranteeing many tennis players suffer with in one form or another. Anyone who plays tennis competitively knows this is a fact.



It was basically a culmination of the perfect storm.

single_handed_champion
04-27-2011, 03:21 PM
Guys like Gonzalez, Berdych, Federer, Del Potro, Soderling, etc. all who are huge hitters had great success that year due to the fact that conditions were so fast.

Lost in the 1st round.

NamRanger
04-27-2011, 03:26 PM
Lost in the 1st round.


Oh, I confused that year he made a deep run at the FO (last year). Point is a bunch of guys that aren't great claycourters (good, but not great) really benefited from the fact that the clay was really fast that year.

Lsmkenpo
04-27-2011, 03:40 PM
His year has been really weak since his first tournament anyway, which furthers my suspicion he has already peaked.

Yeah, three titles to start the season Marseille, Rotterdam, Brisbane

20-4 record on the year

Best showing ever at the AO- round of 16

He has more points right now than he has ever had to start any season, but you say he is having a weak year and is declining, I don't care if you don't like him, but at least know what your talking about when you make a statement. You need to check your facts a little better.

PSNELKE
04-27-2011, 04:11 PM
lol he wouldn´t even beat Ralph on clay again, if he gets a BYE until the final. (since ever opponent is a BYE for Ralph on clay)

Lsmkenpo
04-27-2011, 04:45 PM
Sod's definitely doing well this year. One can only imagine how well he would be doing without the added weight of you hanging off his nuts.

You need to use an alternate account, what a coward, just like your favorite player.

Fitting screen name your ALL IN Nadal's *** aren't you?

Lsmkenpo
04-27-2011, 04:54 PM
Make of my name whatever you choose. My exposure of you clearly hit a nerve. So do you hang with both arms or do you alternate? Do you yell like Tarzan? Any details are appreciated. Thanks.

Yes, you really showed me, now u can go on and get it All IN with Nadal, well done, sir.

Bud
04-27-2011, 06:35 PM
Sod's definitely doing well this year. One can only imagine how well he would be doing without the added weight of you hanging off his nuts.

Make of my name whatever you choose. My exposure of you clearly hit a nerve. So do you hang with both arms or do you alternate? Do you yell like Tarzan? Any details are appreciated. Thanks.

Thanks for the chuckle! :)

Lsmkenpo
04-27-2011, 06:55 PM
Thanks for the chuckle! :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uETsBvisKAA&feature=related#t=01m08s

TenFanLA
04-27-2011, 07:44 PM
"Even IF Nadal was injured, he lost 0 sets before meeting Soderling, and giving some very good players total beatdowns. He previously just gave Soderling the beatdown of his life on a very fast clay court (Rome I think it was where Nadal totally murdered Soderling), despite that supposed "injury" that he had.


So unless you're telling me Nadal's tendinitis all of a sudden got worse (which I highly doubt) after his total demolition job of Lleyton Hewitt, you're really talking out of your ***."


As Rafa's personal attending physician, I can attest that his tendinitis started flaring up immediately after his 3rd round match and lasted until the end of the Sod match. It's true. I even wrote Rafa a note before the tournament just in case he lost.

ksbh
04-28-2011, 05:54 AM
ROFL X 10,000!

That, sir, is the post of the year! I literally fell off the chair laughing! LOL!

Sod's definitely doing well this year. One can only imagine how well he would be doing without the added weight of you hanging off his nuts.

DjokerIsTheBest
04-28-2011, 05:58 AM
ROFL X 10,000!

That, sir, is the post of the year! I literally fell off the chair laughing! LOL!

You use a chair? I'm impressed.

ksbh
04-28-2011, 06:03 AM
Thanks. It was about time you were.

You use a chair? I'm impressed.

Gorecki
04-28-2011, 06:04 AM
ROFL vs Paint Drying

Herr Djokerr, you must see the new movie of Honey Rambol and make jokes on Fed lovers and pretend you find funny the most insultive & factually incorrect posts. and have a Baskin Robbins gellato!!!

You use a chair? I'm impressed.

DjokerIsTheBest
04-28-2011, 07:01 AM
ROFL x googleplex!. Touche my dear fellow, ole and vamos and all that jazz.

ROFL vs Paint Drying

Herr Djokerr, you must see the new movie of Honey Rambol and make jokes on Fed lovers and pretend you find funny the most insultive & factually incorrect posts. and have a Baskin Robbins gellato!!!

Omega_7000
04-28-2011, 08:55 AM
ROFL vs Paint Drying

Herr Djokerr, you must see the new movie of Honey Rambol and make jokes on Fed lovers and pretend you find funny the most insultive & factually incorrect posts. and have a Baskin Robbins gellato!!!

ROFL X 7000 :lol:

Sentinel
04-29-2011, 04:47 AM
Gorecki,
You should give Sunny Deo a try. It's a fine deodorant available in the finest dollar stores and the flea market. That still doesn't explain ksbh's obsession with an aging, C-grade, Bollywood journeyman, but then what more can you expect from a Shampras fan :)

You use a chair? I'm impressed.
LOL!! Hey, stop shooting at a sitting duck !

Gorecki
04-29-2011, 05:18 AM
Gorecki,
You should give Sunny Deo a try. It's a fine deodorant available in the finest dollar stores and the flea market. That still doesn't explain ksbh's obsession with an aging, C-grade, Bollywood journeyman, but then what more can you expect from a Shampras fan :)



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vive le beau jeu !
04-29-2011, 07:01 AM
hey.. Ask our french felow poster Vive what he thinks about the combination.

it's not my fault that Honey combines so good with Rambol Cheese

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+

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Gorecki
04-29-2011, 08:47 AM
i'm not sure to fully understand how we arrived until here (i only have vague memories of this sunny delight carpet detergent) but chevre chaud au miel is delicious !

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(ok, they also added some magret de canard fume here... with doesn't make it worse) ;)

indeed... although i as more thinking about Rambol au Miel for desert, with a nice Port wine! a vintage like "Ervamoira 10 Years"...

vive le beau jeu !
04-29-2011, 04:09 PM
indeed... although i as more thinking about Rambol au Miel for desert, with a nice Port wine! a vintage like "Ervamoira 10 Years"...
and you have this everyday of the week or only on sex day ?

Forehand Avenger
04-29-2011, 06:03 PM
I don't know if he can. But if he does, he will become the subject of a lot of wet dreams for many Fed fans.

Messarger
04-29-2011, 07:49 PM
No, that was Rafa Williams that has lost hose matches not Nadal. The ITF needs to separate these guys for the average fans better understanding that Rafa Nadal can not lose when he is 100 percent healthy coming off knee treatments.

Yep i agree. just like how they separated the almighty Federer from that loser ********.

Kaz00
05-01-2011, 02:32 PM
A player that steps onto the court isn't injured.

Mustard
05-01-2011, 03:03 PM
A player that steps onto the court isn't injured.

It would be more accurate to say that once the match starts, it's do or die, whatever shape the players are in.

MagneticCurls
05-01-2011, 05:41 PM
Different players whine about injuries at different levels. So for all intents and purposes if two players decide to step out on the court, neither can be considered injured.

rafan
05-01-2011, 10:16 PM
A player that steps onto the court isn't injured.

It depends. If you are Rafael Nadal and people in their thousands - or millions on tv - have paid to watch you then there must be a sense of obligation to all of his fans to go through the pain barrier. Being where he is isn't all great

MichaelNadal
05-01-2011, 10:49 PM
There's a difference between having an injury, however major or minor, and not being fit to play.

MagneticCurls
05-02-2011, 04:46 AM
There's a difference between having an injury, however major or minor, and not being fit to play.

Not really. Not being able to play is objective, we can see that as fact. Claiming to have an "injury" is just that. It's your word and most often depends on how big a whiner you are. Many players have injuries and simply don't announce it. Others make a big fanfare about it. Whether there is an actual injury is really hard to decipher, since the player did in fact choose to go out and play.