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Nadal = Borg
04-25-2011, 12:24 PM
Only leaders of rivalries need apply.....Ties are OK!

DjokerIsTheBest
04-25-2011, 12:25 PM
Petros Sampras...........

Ludwig von Mises
04-25-2011, 12:36 PM
Petros- for sure.

Semi-Pro
04-25-2011, 12:39 PM
I know Roche wasn't Lavers main rival but didn't have a winning record against him?

Sid_Vicious
04-25-2011, 12:42 PM
Roger Federer.

mistik
04-25-2011, 12:50 PM
Fed has winning record against Roddick and Hewitt plus 35 years old grandfather Agassi No !!!:) :):)

aphex
04-25-2011, 12:51 PM
Davydenko.


billnepill
04-25-2011, 02:30 PM
Davydenko.

fed_rulz
04-25-2011, 02:33 PM
Petros Sampras...........

he said GOAT.... not an "also-ran" for 30% of the tennis season

T1000
04-25-2011, 02:46 PM
Davydenko..

Bobby Jr
04-25-2011, 03:30 PM
Yet another ****** thread. Surprise surprise.

Nadal = Borg
04-25-2011, 03:48 PM
I know Roche wasn't Lavers main rival but didn't have a winning record against him?

Laver has to be in every list. I actually have no idea....lol.

gpt
04-25-2011, 03:56 PM
Petros Sampras...........

how come people here on TT keep calling Sampras 'Petros' when he himself goes by the name of Pete?

billnepill
04-25-2011, 04:08 PM
how come people here on TT keep calling Sampras 'Petros' when he himself goes by the name of Pete?

his actual name is Petros.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=petros+sampras

Cup8489
04-26-2011, 05:31 AM
how come people here on TT keep calling Sampras 'Petros' when he himself goes by the name of Pete?

They like to disregard Pete. False elitism.

cknobman
04-26-2011, 12:54 PM
Rate down the stupid troll thread so it will get deleted and hopefully this fool will quit creating accounts after getting banned.

And if the poll stays add a Davydenko choice.

tennis_pro
04-26-2011, 12:58 PM
Im also going with Davydenko on this one.

/joke thread

Gorecki
04-26-2011, 01:07 PM
kolia... denko... or that guy who is goat because he owns Nadal... what's his name???? ah.. Davydenko!!!

Breaker
04-26-2011, 01:14 PM
Nikolay Davydenko would be my pick.

BrooklynNY
04-26-2011, 01:23 PM
Funny, all these people(I'm assuming Fed Fans) try to say Davydenko must be a GOAT jeeringly because of his 6-4 h2h against Nadal....not exactly owning someone.

However, they're ignoring the idea that Davydenko is not ever mentioned in the conversation for greatest Russian player, much less GOAT.

Hence, missing the connection. I didn't realize Nadal and Davydenko are 'main rivals', considering they've only played 10 times, never for anything that worthy of worldwide publicity.


But I guess My vote has to go to Davydenko as well, or maybe Roanic, since hes 2-0 against Verdasco.

Nadal = Borg
04-26-2011, 01:32 PM
I said a leading edge against their Chief rival...

Besides Rafter is 4-0 on all surfaces against Federer.

Gorecki
04-26-2011, 01:45 PM
But I guess My vote has to go to Davydenko as well, or maybe Roanic, since hes 2-0 against Verdasco.

see how easy it is to get the drift... why did you have to go all perky in the first place!!!

now lets discuss a Raonic vs Hrbaty - who is the real goat!!!

ps: notice that Hrbaty has leading h2h to both Nadal and Fed...

Nadal = Borg
04-26-2011, 06:21 PM
They are not main rivals......you can't have a winning H2h against every single player on the ATP....no one has ever done that.

But clearly the #1 player should have a winning H2H against the #2 player.

BrooklynNY
04-26-2011, 06:35 PM
see how easy it is to get the drift... why did you have to go all perky in the first place!!!

now lets discuss a Raonic vs Hrbaty - who is the real goat!!!

ps: notice that Hrbaty has leading h2h to both Nadal and Fed...


You know I had to lighten up after going all "eww...look at that Fed Fan :shock: " :D

Nadal = Borg
04-27-2011, 03:11 AM
Nikolay Davydenko would be my pick.

Is Federer the only #1 to have a losing record to the #2 in history ? Oh wait...my bad......Federer is #3. sorry .

namelessone
04-27-2011, 04:01 AM
Davy's reaction to this thread:

http://www.tennisnow.com/getmedia/5cdf8dd4-aa93-4317-8ff5-0b8a9592b568/davy.aspx

fundrazer
04-27-2011, 04:21 AM
Officer Barbrady: "Okay people move along, nothing to see here."

Just another troll thread started by some silly Nadal fanatic. But I have to agree with Gorecki and friends, Hrbaty must be the real goat.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa124/HoffVir/OfficerBarbrady.gif

Cassius Clay
04-27-2011, 05:15 AM
They are not main rivals......you can't have a winning H2h against every single player on the ATP....no one has ever done that.

But clearly the #1 player should have a winning H2H against the #2 player.

Nadal almost did it. He was ill the last time he played Davydenko, so technically it's a 5-5 H2H.

DjokerIsTheBest
04-27-2011, 05:22 AM
Yeah but Fed had a mental block against Nadal so technically he leads the H2H

Cassius Clay
04-27-2011, 05:27 AM
Yeah but Fed had a mental block against Nadal so technically he leads the H2H

Yeah, and Djoker has a losing record against both Rafa and Fed, so technically he is not the best :)

DjokerIsTheBest
04-27-2011, 05:34 AM
Yeah, and Djoker has a losing record against both Rafa and Fed, so technically he is not the best :)

This year he is undefeated against Fed and Nadal. Now is what counts.

ksbh
04-27-2011, 06:46 AM
I wonder if Sampras should even be on that list. If not for being 2nd on the all time slam leaders list, this wouldn't even be a discussion.

At least Lendl made the finals of his worst slam on 2 occasions.

gunnd5000
04-27-2011, 07:54 AM
I know Roche wasn't Lavers main rival but didn't have a winning record against him?

lots of players have winning records over him but thats because he didnt stop playing at his peak he played well into his late 30s and possibly even his 40s. Thus the next generation of players have winning records as 38 year old vs 25 year old matches tend to skew his H2Hs

YodaKnowsBest
04-27-2011, 08:15 AM
The King. He's leading the h2h against Murray, Nadal and... what was his name again :?

http://i1017.photobucket.com/albums/af292/Zlaja1991/thinkkk.jpg

Ah Federer!

tennis_pro
04-27-2011, 09:08 AM
The King. He's leading the h2h against Murray, Nadal and... what was his name again :?

http://i1017.photobucket.com/albums/af292/Zlaja1991/thinkkk.jpg

Ah Federer!

good call

9>16
9>13

tennis_pro
04-27-2011, 09:10 AM
Nadal almost did it. He was ill the last time he played Davydenko, so technically it's a 5-5 H2H.

lol.......

Breaker
04-27-2011, 10:16 AM
Is Federer the only #1 to have a losing record to the #2 in history ? Oh wait...my bad......Federer is #3. sorry .

Just makes Davydenko's achievements that much better, being number 40 and having a winning record over number 1 makes it 40 times more impressive than a number 1 having a winning record over number 2.

Nadal = Borg
04-27-2011, 02:50 PM
Nadal almost did it. He was ill the last time he played Davydenko, so technically it's a 5-5 H2H.

Good point

Nadal = Borg
04-27-2011, 02:55 PM
Yeah but Fed had a mental block against Nadal so technically he leads the H2H

Yeah his mental block was " No matter what I do I just can't beat Rafa....he is just better than me"



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jamesblakefan#1
04-27-2011, 03:18 PM
Borg-McEnroe h2h was 7-7, so he did not 'lead' his main rival. Also McEnroe led 3-1 in GS matches, and 5-4 in finals.

borg number one
04-28-2011, 08:01 PM
Borg-McEnroe h2h was 7-7, so he did not 'lead' his main rival. Also McEnroe led 3-1 in GS matches, and 5-4 in finals.

True, yet all 14 matches they played were either on 1) the fast courts at the AELTC 2)hard courts or 3) indoors (carpet and hard courts). There was not a single meeting on clay courts.

Look at 1980-1981 when it was the "big three" playing at 3 majors only. Borg won '80 W, '80 FO, '81 FO, Masters YEC played in Jan. 80, Masters YEC in Jan. 81. During 1980-1981, McEnroe won the '80 US Open, '81 US Open, 81 Wimbledon, and the Dallas WCT events in 1980 and 1981 (played in April). So, they split the biggest prizes in 1980-1981. This is Borg's worst head to head against any rival. I would call it the "unfinished rivalry". It was magical and just took the Sport to new heights in terms of mass appeal and appeal among hard core tennis fans.

Hear McEnroe talk about the rivalry and Borg here in this clip from the "Black Rock Tour of Champions" a few years ago. They have immense respect for one another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUa2ltLC0hw

A few clips of Borg & McEnroe, in 1980-1981:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-zN8I_KdTk&feature=related (Masters Cup (YEC) at MSG in Jan. 81)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmfKbggEt5s&feature=related (the epic in 1980)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--Kb19SABFo&feature=related (Borg played with a torn stomach muscle. Thanks PC1 for that info.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL__OcegrbY (Thanks Krosero. Borg vs. Lendl in the '81 final, Borg goes up 4-0 in the 5th.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK45lDHc8yw&playnext=1&list=PL1AA72E6EE56E12DD (1980 US Open final)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oxOHvjAjzw

Subventricular Zone
04-28-2011, 09:24 PM
Davy's reaction to this thread:

http://www.tennisnow.com/getmedia/5cdf8dd4-aa93-4317-8ff5-0b8a9592b568/davy.aspx


LOL :mrgreen: I had a good laugh with that photo.

To the OP's Q: Laver?

borg number one
04-28-2011, 09:34 PM
LOL :mrgreen: I had a good laugh with that photo.

To the OP's Q: Laver?

Great pick.

jamesblakefan#1
04-29-2011, 07:21 AM
True, yet all 14 matches they played were either on 1) the fast courts at the AELTC 2)hard courts or 3) indoors (carpet and hard courts). There was not a single meeting on clay courts.

Look at 1980-1981 when it was the "big three" were playing at 3 majors only. Borg won '80 W, '80 FO, '81 FO, Masters YEC played in Jan. 80, Masters YEC in Jan. 81. During 1980-1981, McEnroe won '80 US Open, '81 US Open, 81 Wimbledon, and the Dallas WCT events in 1980 and 1981 (played in April). So, they split the biggest prizes in 1980-1981. This is Borg's worst head to head against any rival. I would call it the "unfinished rivalry". It was magical and just took the Sport to new heights in terms of mass appeal and appeal among hard core tennis fans.

Hear McEnroe talk about the rivalry and Borg here in this clip from the "Black Rock Tour of Champions" a few years ago. They have immense respect for one another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUa2ltLC0hw

A few clips of Borg & McEnroe, in 1980-1981:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-zN8I_KdTk&feature=related (Masters Cup (YEC) at MSG in Jan. 81)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmfKbggEt5s&feature=related (the epic in 1980)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--Kb19SABFo&feature=related (Borg played with a torn stomach muscle. Thanks you PC1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL__OcegrbY (Thanks Krosero. Borg vs. Lendl in the '81 final, Borg goes up 4-0 in the 5th.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK45lDHc8yw&playnext=1&list=PL1AA72E6EE56E12DD (1980 US Open final)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oxOHvjAjzw

Good stuff. Thanks for sharing.

tennis_pro
04-30-2011, 08:03 AM
LOL :mrgreen: I had a good laugh with that photo.

To the OP's Q: Laver?

Dunno about Laver, Rosewall got him quite a few times in big finals, actually, I think Laver lost more than he won.

hoodjem
04-30-2011, 08:36 AM
I know Roche wasn't Lavers main rival but didn't have a winning record against him?The ATP lists the H2H as 8-4 for Laver starting in 1968. Laver was also 9-3 over Newcombe.

But his main rival was Rosewall.

Forehand Avenger
04-30-2011, 09:12 AM
I have an even H2H against Nadal, Laver, Sampras, Federer and Borg. That must count for something.

Nadal = Borg
04-30-2011, 09:27 AM
A record of 6-2 I'm grand slams and the only losses coming on grass.....
Is a heck of lot different than 6-4 in crappy tournaments.....and I will also bet that the only thing that davydenko leads in is hardcourt.

Subventricular Zone
04-30-2011, 09:29 AM
Dunno about Laver, Rosewall got him quite a few times in big finals, actually, I think Laver lost more than he won.

I'm obviously not an expert on Laver but his H-H record with Rosewall is as follows (from wikipedia):

* All Matches: Laver 79-63
* All Finals: Laver 35-20
* Grand Slams: 1-1
* Pro Slams: Rosewall 6-4

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laver%E2%80%93Rosewall_rivalry

The ATP lists their H-H at Laver 13-7.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=L058&oId=R075

Rosewall edged Laver 33-12 in 1963, the first year Laver turned pro (Rosewall turned pro in 1957).

The boards' resident historians could maybe enlighten us a bit more.:mrgreen: