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asiank90
05-02-2011, 10:00 AM
Just been watching some old tennis videos on youtube and one of them stood out to me

Australian Open 2008 Semi Final - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO6lalt5f6M

Does anyone think that Tsonga will be able to get back to this level soon?

jamesblakefan#1
05-02-2011, 10:04 AM
It was the best match of his career. It's hard to expect any player to play that high of a level on a consistent basis... If he played like THAT every match, he would be #1 in the world, lol.

hoping he does get back to top 10 level though.

All-rounder
05-02-2011, 10:37 AM
I'm not holding my breathe because I don't see it happening anytime soon

Tsonga#1fan
05-02-2011, 05:43 PM
I think Tsonga needs to stay healthy for a more extended period of time or he'll just be another James Blake.....flashes of brilliance but bad losses thrown into the mix.

cc0509
05-02-2011, 05:57 PM
Uhhh, no! He does not have it in him to be that consistent. If he did he would have displayed it by now.

jkang909
05-02-2011, 05:57 PM
he treed in the AO

Xizel
05-02-2011, 06:02 PM
I wish.

I'm not holding my breathe because I don't see it happening anytime soon

This summarizes what needs to be said about Tsonga's return to greatness.

kishnabe
05-02-2011, 06:40 PM
That day...people though Tsonga had made his mark in tennis and will continue....but that mark died after paris 2008.

tacou
05-02-2011, 06:43 PM
tsonga's 08 was very injury ridden and he still finished top 10. he hasn't had too many consecutive months of play since then . admittedly he hasnt come very close to that level, and I don't expect him to get there again,I can definitely see him reaching top 5 if he can play 2 seasons straight

35ft6
05-02-2011, 07:30 PM
He looked to be about 10 to 15 pounds heavier at Indian Wells.

zak425
05-02-2011, 07:36 PM
After watching that video it harkens my memory back to when I though of him as a contender. But to be honest (BTW I am a Fed Guy) it looked like Rafa was having a bad night, a lot of his shots seemed to be falling short allowing Tsonga to dictate play.

eidolonshinobi
05-02-2011, 08:00 PM
I like tsonga's outfit in this match awfully sick!

Ray Mercer
05-02-2011, 08:45 PM
Nadal was beaten down big time on that night. The only other guy I've seen thrash Nadal at his best like that was Del Potro.

namelessone
05-02-2011, 09:10 PM
After watching that video it harkens my memory back to when I though of him as a contender. But to be honest (BTW I am a Fed Guy) it looked like Rafa was having a bad night, a lot of his shots seemed to be falling short allowing Tsonga to dictate play.

The downside of topspin. If you have a good night it can be hell for your opponent as he will be digging up deep shots that rise up quick but if you hit short you are offering up sitters, especially on HC.

People really hyped up Jo's level here. Nadal was in his first HC GS semifinal(so lol at people saying Nadal was at his best :oops: ) and did not have a great day. Don't get me wrong, this is still the best tourney jo has ever played but he has been owned by Nadal(and many other players) ever since, even on HC.

Another thing I felt people have always hyped up is the quality of jo's volleys in this match. Nadal is literally 2-3 metres behind the baseline most of the time and jo is doing a lot of drop volleys with little pressure on his shoulders as his opponent is very far from the net.

I still feel that Tsonga has a shot to be in the top 10, maybe even further, but I don't get a "serious" vibe from him. He seems to be another french talent gone to waste.

forthegame
05-02-2011, 09:27 PM
Nadal has improved vastly since then, Tsonga has declined.

forthegame
05-02-2011, 09:29 PM
:twisted::evil:

Why did he switch racquets?

:oops:

Xemi666
05-03-2011, 01:35 AM
Nadal was beaten down big time on that night. The only other guy I've seen thrash Nadal at his best like that was Del Potro.

Yes, it was almost as bad as Nadal trashing Federer at his best 6-1 6-3 6-0

cocolate
05-03-2011, 02:18 AM
^^
*******

Gorecki
05-03-2011, 03:17 AM
Yes, it was almost as bad as Nadal trashing Federer at his best 6-1 6-3 6-0

great stuff there. :rolleyes:

now why did you bring Federer in a thread about Tsonga? insecure much? acute Arsenadalitis?

Hellbergarn
05-03-2011, 03:19 AM
:twisted::evil:

Why did he switch racquets?

:oops:

I'm surprised nobody commented on this earlier?!

I newer saw his game style to benefit from a frame like his new one....that is why he droped in ranking, right? ;)

vllaznia
05-03-2011, 03:47 AM
[QUOTE=namelessone;5614305]

People really hyped up Jo's level here. Nadal was in his first HC GS semifinal(so lol at people saying Nadal was at his best :oops: ) and did not have a great day.

QUOTE]

Also for Tsonga was the first HC GS semifinal and Rafa did not lose a set until the semifinal, we all know how good was Rafa's 2008 if he was not at his best he was near it.

Xemi666
05-03-2011, 05:03 AM
great stuff there. :rolleyes:

now why did you bring Federer in a thread about Tsonga? insecure much? acute Arsenadalitis?

Not surprising, a Nadal (actually a spaniards hater) coming to the aid of a ******* :)

jamesblakefan#1
05-03-2011, 06:38 AM
Also for Tsonga was the first HC GS semifinal and Rafa did not lose a set until the semifinal, we all know how good was Rafa's 2008 if he was not at his best he was near it.

Yeah, Nadal was favored by all commentators to get through to the finals and face Djokovic, Tsonga just played out of his mind. Nadal didn't play terribly by any means, Tsonga just was unbeatable that night.

eidolonshinobi
05-03-2011, 07:05 AM
Yeah, Nadal was favored by all commentators to get through to the finals and face Djokovic, Tsonga just played out of his mind. Nadal didn't play terribly by any means, Tsonga just was unbeatable that night.

He really looked like Ali out there, just floated on the court and stung like a bee

LeftySpin
05-03-2011, 07:08 AM
Wasn't that his only good match in 2008?

namelessone
05-03-2011, 07:42 AM
[QUOTE=namelessone;5614305]

People really hyped up Jo's level here. Nadal was in his first HC GS semifinal(so lol at people saying Nadal was at his best :oops: ) and did not have a great day.

QUOTE]

Also for Tsonga was the first HC GS semifinal and Rafa did not lose a set until the semifinal, we all know how good was Rafa's 2008 if he was not at his best he was near it.

You're missing the point. That was Tsonga's HC peak(never played anywhere as good since then) while Nadal wasn't exactly kicking it on HC in the beginning of 2008. To me Nadal's HC peak came at AO 2009 with USO 2010 coming in a close second.

Boricua
05-03-2011, 07:53 AM
He looked to be about 10 to 15 pounds heavier at Indian Wells.

Big and lean, Del Potro like =could be good in tennis.

Big and overweight in tennis = switching to playing basketball in Division 11 Italian League.

:)

RCizzle65
05-03-2011, 08:55 AM
I don't think he has the fitness or the desire to be that consistent, at least he hasn't shown it for the past couple years that he wants it.

RCizzle65
05-03-2011, 08:58 AM
Nadal was in his first HC GS semifinal(so lol at people saying Nadal was at his best :oops: ) and did not have a great day. Don't get me wrong, this is still the best tourney jo has ever played but he has been owned by Nadal(and many other players) ever since, even on HC.


He didn't lose a set until he faced Tsonga. Yeah he's obviously much better and aggressive on the hard courts now, but he wasn't exactly a slouch either.

vllaznia
05-03-2011, 09:47 AM
[QUOTE=vllaznia;5614588]

You're missing the point. That was Tsonga's HC peak(never played anywhere as good since then) while Nadal wasn't exactly kicking it on HC in the beginning of 2008. To me Nadal's HC peak came at AO 2009 with USO 2010 coming in a close second.

So according to you Nadal never loses when he is at his best or near it.

vllaznia
05-03-2011, 09:47 AM
You're missing the point. That was Tsonga's HC peak(never played anywhere as good since then) while Nadal wasn't exactly kicking it on HC in the beginning of 2008. To me Nadal's HC peak came at AO 2009 with USO 2010 coming in a close second.

So according to you Nadal never loses when he is at his best or near it.

vive le beau jeu !
05-03-2011, 10:38 AM
So according to you Nadal never loses when he is at his best or near it.
you, heretic.

namelessone
05-03-2011, 11:19 AM
So according to you Nadal never loses when he is at his best or near it.

No, I am talking about playing level or form. Nadal of 2008 on HC doesn't come close to 2009 or 2010 Nadal.

Tsonga was at his very peak(and sadly probably only peak) and Nadal was just starting to make headway into HC slams. He made his first USO semi that year. Now losing before semis in any slam is a failure for Rafa. Back then a HC GS semi was a nice bonus.

Ripster
05-03-2011, 11:26 AM
The downside of topspin. If you have a good night it can be hell for your opponent as he will be digging up deep shots that rise up quick but if you hit short you are offering up sitters, especially on HC.

People really hyped up Jo's level here. Nadal was in his first HC GS semifinal(so lol at people saying Nadal was at his best :oops: ) and did not have a great day. Don't get me wrong, this is still the best tourney jo has ever played but he has been owned by Nadal(and many other players) ever since, even on HC.

Another thing I felt people have always hyped up is the quality of jo's volleys in this match. Nadal is literally 2-3 metres behind the baseline most of the time and jo is doing a lot of drop volleys with little pressure on his shoulders as his opponent is very far from the net.

I still feel that Tsonga has a shot to be in the top 10, maybe even further, but I don't get a "serious" vibe from him. He seems to be another french talent gone to waste.

So many of these sadly. Speaking of which, where the heck is Paul-Henri Mathieu?

fps
05-03-2011, 11:27 AM
Tsonga missed a lot of his key formative tennis years due to injury. He found an amazing hot streak in that tournament, but honestly I think he'll be hit and miss the rest of his career and AO2008 will be remembered as the only tourny where he was all hit.

namelessone
05-03-2011, 11:29 AM
So many of these sadly. Speaking of which, where the heck is Paul-Henri Mathieu?

He had a groin injury at the beginning of the year but I don't know how it's going.

He hasn't played AT ALL in 2011.

vllaznia
05-03-2011, 12:03 PM
No, I am talking about playing level or form. Nadal of 2008 on HC doesn't come close to 2009 or 2010 Nadal.

Tsonga was at his very peak(and sadly probably only peak) and Nadal was just starting to make headway into HC slams. He made his first USO semi that year. Now losing before semis in any slam is a failure for Rafa. Back then a HC GS semi was a nice bonus.

In 2008 Nadal won Indian Wells which is 2 months later of Australian open after that he won the olimpics which was played on HC so do not tell me that his level was not good probably not his best but he was near his best and what is the most important thing he was not injured.

Sephiroth_FFVII
05-03-2011, 12:18 PM
Clearly, Nadal as injured for this match.

namelessone
05-03-2011, 12:23 PM
In 2008 Nadal won Indian Wells which is 2 months later of Australian open after that he won the olimpics which was played on HC so do not tell me that his level was not good probably not his best but he was near his best and what is the most important thing he was not injured.

Nadal improved his HC game over that year and had some breakthroughs like first AO SF, first USO SF but we are talking strictly beginning of 2008 and Nadal was not that great on HC back then. He went out in USO 2007 to Ferrer, went on to have some solid results but lost against Nalby twice, beat a young Djoker in TMC but lost to Fed and he started his 2008 with a loss to Youzhny 6-0,6-1 while almost losing to a old Moya in that Chennai SF.

After AO 2008, Nadal lost to... Seppi in Rotterdam second round.

So in the beginning of 2008, he almost lost to veteran Moya, lost to Youzhny, lost to Tsonga and then to Seppi. Not the greatest HC form.

Breaker
05-03-2011, 12:25 PM
Clearly, Nadal as injured for this match.

No he was just 'not at his best'. He was injured and exhausted for USO 2007, 2008, 2009, and AO 2010, 2011, FO 2009, Wimbledon 2006, and 2007 though as well as a couple of sets during Wimbledon 2008 and 2010.

zak425
05-03-2011, 02:40 PM
I can certainly agree that there are so many excuses for a Nadal loss, and far be it for me to say what was really going on in this match. But I think its pretty clear that Nadal's shots were landing quite short allowing Tsonga to stand on or well inside of the baseline and dictate play. That could be attributed to an "off-day" by Nadal, a tactical mistake, or Tsonga setting the tone early in match. Regardless it's pretty clear in the highlights when Nadal was hitting with depth he was winning the point, when the ball landed short Tsonga won the point. Which is why to me (once again not necessarily a Nadal fan, but its not like I hate the guy) to me the match was one where Nadal lost rather than Tsonga winning. But I understand that I'd really have to watch the full match to get a better read on it.

Everybody has off days, and most top players still win even on the off days so credit to Tsonga for sticking with the offense and taking what was there. Not too mention hitting some ridiculous droppers that I dont think he's hit since.

Heracles
05-03-2011, 02:49 PM
Nadal was not "at his best".

He was average. He did not have a physical injury but he was just not playing very well. I remember the tournament before, doing a marathon against Moya on hardcourt and then being destroyed by Youzhny.

Nadal won IW in 2007 and 2009 but not in 2008. He lost to Djokovic 6-3 6-2. He went to the final of Miami and got beaten by Davydenko around the same score.

How Tsonga beat Nadal that day is similar to how Gonzalez beat Nadal the previous year.

Nadal was a good hardcourt player but lacked consistency (and still lacks that) and he was not a great player. It changed in 2008 at mid season.

He played unreal at RG , Queens, Wimbledon then won Canada and the Olympics, he was playing very very well. Then OA was the confirmation we all waited and last year USO was at least as good.

For Tsonga, I don't think he will reach that level again. Gonzalez did not reach the level of OA 2007 again. But Tsonga can definitely go back in the top 10 if he can do a full season.

Problem is that he has to take a lot of breaks in the season. But he has the potential to come and go around the top 10 like around 10 players outside the top 5.

But this tournament was probably a one shot.

mellowyellow
05-03-2011, 03:59 PM
Just like when he plays Cilic, DelPotro, Murray, Ferrer, Davydenko, Nalby, Blake, Yhouzny on hardcourts, he doesn't play good. Hmm the only thing that I can see is that they all have good backhands and move well. That pretty much negates Nadals advantage in a nutshell. Tsonga didn't play over his head, he was in shape and was not injured/coming off an injury. Nadal was not playing bad, he just played someone that if in shape and match tough not coming off injury will likely have his number on a hardcourt.

asiank90
06-29-2011, 08:29 AM
Seems like he's back guys :D

aceX
06-29-2011, 01:30 PM
Yeah for sure. Great match coming from 2 sets down