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TW Staff
06-08-2011, 10:09 AM
One of these racquets will be back this year! Can you guess which one?

Pick which one you'd want most. You can pick more than one. Discuss!

Rusty669
06-08-2011, 10:30 AM
I'd love for the Wilson Pro Staff 6.0 85 to be brought back,but I somehow can't imagine it happening...

Agent Orynge
06-08-2011, 10:31 AM
Wilson left a serious void in their line-up by discontinuing the KPS 88, so I'd venture to say the 6.0 will be back in some variation or another. That, or TW got their hands on more PC600s... again.

By the way, you left out the RD-7.

Larrysümmers
06-08-2011, 10:35 AM
if the price is right then id get a prostaff for my old coach, but i wouldnt care.

BobFL
06-08-2011, 10:38 AM
I voted for 200G :) Why?
Well, my knowledge/experience with Yonex is very limited. PS85? It is a possibility but I don't think so. Volkl 10 is nice racquet and I used to have it. Don't see it happening.
PC600 is another legendary frame. As far as my perception go about the Head strategy, I just cannot see it happening...
Cannot wait to see! :)

TheOneHander
06-08-2011, 10:38 AM
One of these racquets will be back this year! Can you guess which one?

Pick which one you'd want most. You can pick more than one. Discuss!

When you say that it will return, is it going to be in limited quantities or is the manufacturer adding it to their line-up?

Thank you TW, this is very exciting news!

TheOneHander
06-08-2011, 10:40 AM
I voted for 200G :) Why?
Well, my knowledge/experience with Yonex is very limited. PS85? It is a possibility but I don't think so. Volkl 10 is nice racquet and I used to have it. Don't see it happening.
PC600 is another legendary frame. As far as my perception go about the Head strategy, I just cannot see it happening...
Cannot wait to see! :)

I think it'll either be the Yonex or the Dunlop. Wilson, Head, and Volkl already have very similar racquets in their line-ups, but the Dunlop was a true classic and still fetches a hefty price. The Yonex, too, is similar in that regard.

tomtn
06-08-2011, 10:42 AM
TW ADMIN: when will we know the info? thanks

Gee
06-08-2011, 10:57 AM
How an exciting idea to bring back one of these legends!

As I read so many great reviews on TW TT I was getting curious about the Head Prestige Classic.

Lately I managed to purchase a secondhand one for a long demo period. I have to admit that it deserves its state of a legend. So much sense of control, connectioness with my strokes and a sensational feel when you hit the ball into the sweet area that I only experience with a midsize frame.

I would like to see that the Head Prestige Classic will be available again at TW USA and at TW Europe as well because I live in Europe.

vsbabolat
06-08-2011, 01:04 PM
Wow! this is very exciting. I think it is between the Pro Staff and the Prestige Classic.

stevewcosta
06-08-2011, 01:08 PM
One of these racquets will be back this year! Can you guess which one?

Pick which one you'd want most. You can pick more than one. Discuss!

There are many better Yonex classics - Super RD Tour isn't a classic to me. Should be from the "R" not "RD" series - R-10, R-22...Either would be top on my list.

Cup8489
06-08-2011, 01:08 PM
I say PC600.

Doubles
06-08-2011, 01:14 PM
I would love to see the PC600 reissued, or the 200G because I like Dunlop frames...

jayserinos99
06-08-2011, 01:25 PM
I hope the PC600 comes back; it also seems to be the easiest one for Head to bring back since they are still using the same molds. I doubt the 200G would come back but if Injection Moldeing is still available, all the better.

zumzool
06-08-2011, 01:33 PM
I hope for the Yonex as I love the Super RD Tour, but from previous statements, I don't think it will be.

Fed Kennedy
06-08-2011, 01:55 PM
Please let it be the prostaff...

coolblue123
06-08-2011, 02:02 PM
Pro Staff for me. I remembered the first time I played with a friend's St. Vincent. It felt great playing it for an hour, but my arms and shoulder hurt for like 2 days afterwards.

HurricaneDominic
06-08-2011, 02:32 PM
I would like to see the Yonex brought back.
Right now they only have the VCore 95D in the 95sq" headsize.

Will this be the original racket brought back? Or will it be a new variation, like the KFactor version of the Pro Staff/EXO3 version of the POG?

tomtn
06-08-2011, 02:54 PM
if you notice the wilson prostaff 85 is italicize; maybe a clue?

sargeinaz
06-08-2011, 03:03 PM
Please let it be the ps85. VW would get my money so fast just so I could have a new one without paying 250+. If the volkl came back out in the midplus, I'd give it a serious demo for sure. I've come to the conclusion my Fischer Pro 1 is too low powered for me after like 3 years.

TheOneHander
06-08-2011, 03:19 PM
if you notice the wilson prostaff 85 is italicize; maybe a clue?

That's the one you voted for in the poll.

Fedace
06-08-2011, 03:20 PM
Donnay Borg Pro Wood. BEST racket ever made in history of tennis.

Raphael
06-08-2011, 03:21 PM
Dunlop 200G? mmmmmm, I loved that racquet!!

alen_david
06-08-2011, 03:22 PM
Prestige Classic 600 woo!

Shangri La
06-08-2011, 03:25 PM
I guess, and I hope, it's the PC600.

I would like to see the Yonex brought back.
Right now they only have the VCore 95D in the 95sq" headsize.

Will this be the original racket brought back? Or will it be a new variation, like the KFactor version of the Pro Staff/EXO3 version of the POG?

I'm pretty sure it will be the original one.

zumzool
06-08-2011, 04:03 PM
Probably not the yonex. See tw comment on post #4

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=8394&highlight=Yonex+super+tour

Keifers
06-08-2011, 04:26 PM
PC600.

Hope it's made with the original Graphite/Twaron composition.

roundiesee
06-08-2011, 04:39 PM
I can't imagine it will be the Max 200G as I think the injection mold technology has not been used for many years. So it is either going to be PS 85 or the PC 600. Actually can we petition for both to be brought back? :)

SFrazeur
06-08-2011, 04:52 PM
It would have to be the PS6.0 and/or the PC600. Because TW knows that if they joke about those racquets coming back or get those zealots in a false uproar then there would be hell to pay!

-SF

mjwtpro1
06-08-2011, 05:05 PM
Super RD Tour!!!!!!!

Rabbit
06-08-2011, 05:11 PM
An inside source told me that Don Hightower of TW was recently seen vacationing on St. Vincent island in the Caribbean. I wonder if that means anything.

TripleB
06-08-2011, 05:16 PM
Either the Yonex or the Dunlop...I've got the other three :D

TripleB

P99
06-08-2011, 05:17 PM
Sorry it's gonna be the pro staff 6.0 95. ...might be the 1999 head ti.radical aka agassi's French stick. Wishful thinking like it's high-school lol

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eidolonshinobi
06-08-2011, 06:46 PM
Exciting stuff! I would bet either the Pro Staff or PC600

T1000
06-08-2011, 06:49 PM
If its the ps 85 then I will be the happiest kid in the world, currently down to 4 and its getting harder to get some at a decent price

Mdubb23
06-08-2011, 07:07 PM
I actually am thinking it might be the SRD Tour for the simple reason that the 95 head size is specified...if TW were just throwing a few 'incorrect' frames out there, they'd be likely to use the 90 for nostalgia purposes.

Mdubb23
06-08-2011, 07:08 PM
Personally, though, I'd love to see it be the Max 200G.

zumzool
06-08-2011, 08:17 PM
so when are we going to find out the answer.

DownTheLine
06-08-2011, 09:23 PM
so when are we going to find out the answer.

I second this.

BobFL
06-08-2011, 09:32 PM
so when are we going to find out the answer.

I III this :)

Fuji
06-08-2011, 09:32 PM
I hope for the PS85 or the PC600! Two of the best rackets ever made, and unlike the 200G, the process to make them isn't literally extinct!

-Fuji

fms
06-08-2011, 11:49 PM
Actually, I would love it if the Pro Staff 6.0 95 came back! But the 85 would do just fine, too :)

ae695
06-09-2011, 12:55 AM
I wish it were the Dunlop MAX 200G but I must admit it is pure wishful thinking. In terms of probability I would vote for the PS or the Prestige. Can't wait!!

vincent_tennis
06-09-2011, 01:28 AM
so when are we going to find out the answer.

I IV this? ^^"

Bud
06-09-2011, 02:44 AM
Wow! this is very exciting. I think it is between the Pro Staff and the Prestige Classic.

I agree... either the 85 or the PC

Not practical to bring back the 200g with the expensive, complex molding process

zapvor
06-09-2011, 03:40 AM
i fifth this

Praetorian
06-09-2011, 04:15 AM
So which one is it already? At least let us know the date in which you'll let us know. Artificially creating suspense is not cool.

MAXXply
06-09-2011, 05:51 AM
Imagine the uproar and outrage if this classic racket returned with an ugly PJ?
Let's hope the designers don't screw up the cosmetics, BLX-style

Roadway
06-09-2011, 06:56 AM
Bring back the holly PS85. I love it!

goran_ace
06-09-2011, 07:19 AM
I'm guessing it's the Head or the Volkl. Volkl has done classics with updated cosmetics (e.g. V1, C10 Pro) and Head has done re-issues before (e.g. Agassi Ltd Edition Rad).

I don't recall Wilson ever doing something like that. I hope I'm wrong about this, but they already did the KPS88 to commemorate Sampras and the PS 6.0 85, so it doesn't make sense for them to do a re-issue the PS 6.0 85.

TW Staff
06-09-2011, 08:18 AM
Keep the guesses coming!

We will reveal the racquet next Friday. :-)

Jason, TW

evw
06-09-2011, 08:21 AM
I want the Volkl's back but my guess is it will be the Head. When the Tour 10s were discontinued and I ran out of frames it took me two years to find something I liked as much...well not as much but well enough.

vsbabolat
06-09-2011, 08:30 AM
Keep the guesses coming!

We will reveal the racquet next Friday. :-)

Jason, TW

So, you are going to keep us in suspense for a week.

ryushen21
06-09-2011, 08:31 AM
It would have to be the PS 6.0 85 or the PC600. The following that these racquets have would produce massive sales for the manufacturer.

dadozen
06-09-2011, 08:47 AM
I wish it's the 200G, but I know the chances are higher for the PS85 and the PC600.

Cup8489
06-09-2011, 09:14 AM
Keep the guesses coming!

We will reveal the racquet next Friday. :-)

Jason, TW

will it be for sale at that time, or must we wait even longer to acquire it?

stevewcosta
06-09-2011, 10:54 AM
One of these racquets will be back this year! Can you guess which one?

Pick which one you'd want most. You can pick more than one. Discuss!

6.0 85 - same original construction... w/kevlar etc.. Make sure Wilson does cheap it up with awful BLX...or some other rubbery, no-feel junk.

I'll buy 5. Maybe 6. Business is good. Thanks.

4sound
06-09-2011, 11:27 AM
At this point, based on the poll, if it isn't the Wilson Pro Staff or the Head Prestige 600, a lot of people will not be happy.

So just tell us already TW!

BobFL
06-09-2011, 11:34 AM
...........................

SFrazeur
06-09-2011, 11:37 AM
At this point, based on the poll, if it isn't the Wilson Pro Staff or the Head Prestige 600, a lot of people will not be happy.

So just tell us already TW!

I made a similar post earlier. If they are not bringing back both the PC600 and the PS85 6.0 there is going to be some ****ed off zealots.

-SF

CDestroyer
06-09-2011, 11:40 AM
What Is It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1hbhBUX
06-09-2011, 11:55 AM
I thought I recalled reading that Dunlop was planning to release a "retro" frame this year. So my guess is the 200G.

BreakPoint
06-09-2011, 12:07 PM
It can't be the Dunlop Max 200G because I don't think the Injection Molding equipment needed to make that frame are in existence any longer. :(

BreakPoint
06-09-2011, 12:11 PM
If the Wilson PS 6.0 95 were on the list, that's the one I'd vote for. :)

Fed Kennedy
06-09-2011, 12:17 PM
2 more votes for the 85

http://cornedbeefhash.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/sampras-federer-kualalumpur3.jpg

Fed Kennedy
06-09-2011, 12:22 PM
Need some more of these also. Lot of them got smashed.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/tennis/2000/us_open/news/2000/09/07/safin_advances/t1_safin_ap.jpg

Bhagi Katbamna
06-09-2011, 12:23 PM
This is going to be fun. No matter which racket it is, there are going to be a bunch of ****ed off people because it wasn't the PC(or the PS).

Buckethead
06-09-2011, 12:23 PM
PS 85- This racket has no place for the modern game at all, it is just for collecting purposes, I have a Wilson Ultra, before the 85 and it is small as hell, it's oly made for 1 handers which are just getting smothered by the 2 hander.

PC 600- Well, the above applies for this one, and to be even worse this is 18x20, so it'd be only made for one handed back hand flat hitters, anybody else wouldn't work.

Dunlop Max 200G- BP already said, it's not an option anymore.

Volkl Tour 10 Gen 1- It indeed has a similar model, the C10 Pro maybe if it is a mid plus.

SRD Tour 95- Yeah, I just got one of these beast, and Yonex doesn't have anything similar to it on the market, that plays like this one, far away is the URD Ti 80. But if they put the SRD 95, they have to bring back the 90, which is bigger than the PS85 and PC 600 and more useful than the 2, in my opinion better them both.
For me classic legendary Yonex would be- R-22, R-23,R-18, RD-7, SRD Tour.

Honestly I think it is between the Yonex SRD 95 because Yonex brought back the URD 80, so they may start this new trend or it is the HEAD PC 600 which is only made for pros, but Head can make it available and they are still able to make it.

Fed Kennedy
06-09-2011, 12:25 PM
I voted ps85 but I might be having second thoughts...this one was just so awesome.

http://80s-tennis.com/images/dunlop/dunlop8586m.jpg

Fed Kennedy
06-09-2011, 12:28 PM
I think the modern game is kind of a crock. Even though I like poly.

vsbabolat
06-09-2011, 12:36 PM
PS 85- This racket has no place for the modern game at all, it is just for collecting purposes, I have a Wilson Ultra, before the 85 and it is small as hell, it's oly made for 1 handers which are just getting smothered by the 2 hander.

PC 600- Well, the above applies for this one, and to be even worse this is 18x20, so it'd be only made for one handed back hand flat hitters, anybody else wouldn't work.



The performance of the YT Prestige Mid and the PC600 is identical. I have been told on more than one occasion by different people that I hit a heavier ball with the PC600 as compared to the YT Prestige Mid. Both racquets were matched for mass, balance, swing weight, and string. The PC600 has a much better soft feel with better feedback and vibration dampening.. Racquets are not made for one handers or two handers.

TW Staff
06-09-2011, 12:37 PM
So, you are going to keep us in suspense for a week.

Now what fun would it be if we just told you right away? :-)

Hominator
06-09-2011, 12:38 PM
Now what fun would it be if we just told you right away? :-)

Will it be a TW exclusive?

vsbabolat
06-09-2011, 12:39 PM
Now what fun would it be if we just told you right away? :-)

You are right this is a lot of fun.:)

Jaewonnie
06-09-2011, 12:47 PM
Hmmm...I don't really care which one it is since I've never hit with an older generation racket before.
But I have a slight bias towards the PC600 :p
My YT plays amazingly and i can only imagine how well the PC600 will play.

Six.One.Tour.90FAN
06-09-2011, 12:48 PM
If the Dunlop MAX comes out, it will be a Mcenroe special type thing, whats the frame he uses in exo's anyway?

God i wish its either the prestige or the ps85 :D

90

Top Jimmy
06-09-2011, 12:48 PM
I still don't think I've played as well since I sold my Pro Staffs many moons ago, so a vote for PS for me.

I would kill for one of those Puma Becker rackets. Look cool and something I never got to hit with.

Fed Kennedy
06-09-2011, 01:05 PM
Make up your mind! Do you want me to get prestiges or prostaffs??

http://live.drjays.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/future460.jpg

edman9898
06-09-2011, 01:09 PM
Agree with Buckethead. Yonex came out with the RD Ti 80, so I think the SRD will be next. Don't see the others happening, unless they put a hefty price tag on them.

stevewcosta
06-09-2011, 01:19 PM
Agree with Buckethead. Yonex came out with the RD Ti 80, so I think the SRD will be next. Don't see the others happening, unless they put a hefty price tag on them.

SRD was a thick log though...R-22 all the way - I would want that more than the 6.0...since it won't happen, it has to be the 6.0!

stevewcosta
06-09-2011, 01:22 PM
6.0 85 - same original construction... w/kevlar etc.. Make sure Wilson does cheap it up with awful BLX...or some other rubbery, no-feel junk.

I'll buy 5. Maybe 6. Business is good. Thanks.

I meant does "Not" cheap it up...obviously...

VGP
06-09-2011, 01:28 PM
It can't be the Dunlop Max 200G because I don't think the Injection Molding equipment needed to make that frame are in existence any longer. :(

You make it sound like it's impossible.

Actually, I hope it's the Dunlop Max 200g. It would be great to see a frame that's very different than what's available these days. In the short term, it would be great for nostalgia and maybe some people that haven't seen the frame would be enlightened. A potential for the long term, maybe it could be a catalyst for other companies to bring back their classic frames. If there is a lot of interest in what would be seen as an "irrelevant" frame maybe they'll be less reluctant to keep their classics in the past......

BreakPoint
06-09-2011, 01:31 PM
PC 600- Well, the above applies for this one, and to be even worse this is 18x20, so it'd be only made for one handed back hand flat hitters, anybody else wouldn't work.

Hmmmm....I think Safin, Ivanisevic, Monfils, and Borg would disagree. :)

BreakPoint
06-09-2011, 01:42 PM
You make it sound like it's impossible.

Actually, I hope it's the Dunlop Max 200g. It would be great to see a frame that's very different than what's available these days. In the short term, it would be great for nostalgia and maybe some people that haven't seen the frame would be enlightened. A potential for the long term, maybe it could be a catalyst for other companies to bring back their classic frames. If there is a lot of interest in what would be seen as an "irrelevant" frame maybe they'll be less reluctant to keep their classics in the past......
Do you really think Dunlop would invest millions of dollars to re-create all the injection molding manufacturing equipment from scratch just to produce a limited production frame based on 30 year old technology with limited appeal in today's game? What is the current market for an ultra-low powered, super flexy, 13.2 oz. racquet with a tiny 83 sq. in. head? I don't think Dunlop's owners are in business to lose money.

And please don't get me wrong. I would love for Dunlop to bring back the Max 200G. I absolutely loved that racquet and used it exclusively for 13 years. But as a business person, it doesn't make any financial sense.

zumzool
06-09-2011, 02:32 PM
PS 85- This racket has no place for the modern game at all, it is just for collecting purposes, I have a Wilson Ultra, before the 85 and it is small as hell, it's oly made for 1 handers which are just getting smothered by the 2 hander.

PC 600- Well, the above applies for this one, and to be even worse this is 18x20, so it'd be only made for one handed back hand flat hitters, anybody else wouldn't work.

Dunlop Max 200G- BP already said, it's not an option anymore.

Volkl Tour 10 Gen 1- It indeed has a similar model, the C10 Pro maybe if it is a mid plus.

SRD Tour 95- Yeah, I just got one of these beast, and Yonex doesn't have anything similar to it on the market, that plays like this one, far away is the URD Ti 80. But if they put the SRD 95, they have to bring back the 90, which is bigger than the PS85 and PC 600 and more useful than the 2, in my opinion better them both.
For me classic legendary Yonex would be- R-22, R-23,R-18, RD-7, SRD Tour.

Honestly I think it is between the Yonex SRD 95 because Yonex brought back the URD 80, so they may start this new trend or it is the HEAD PC 600 which is only made for pros, but Head can make it available and they are still able to make it.


Still, yonex told TW in 2009 this..... when they asked about bringing back the Super RD Tour.....


We have checked. It is simply not possible to replicate the material mix used in the construction so replicating the feel would be impossible.

Chris, TW

Limpinhitter
06-09-2011, 03:58 PM
Do you really think Dunlop would invest millions of dollars to re-create all the injection molding manufacturing equipment from scratch just to produce a limited production frame based on 30 year old technology with limited appeal in today's game? What is the current market for an ultra-low powered, super flexy, 13.2 oz. racquet with a tiny 83 sq. in. head? I don't think Dunlop's owners are in business to lose money.

And please don't get me wrong. I would love for Dunlop to bring back the Max 200G. I absolutely loved that racquet and used it exclusively for 13 years. But as a business person, it doesn't make any financial sense.

^^^Killjoy!

tnsanydy
06-09-2011, 04:06 PM
Now what fun would it be if we just told you right away? :-)

TW.......YOU'RE KILLING ME! :mad:

VGP
06-09-2011, 04:39 PM
SRD Tour 95- Yeah, I just got one of these beast, and Yonex doesn't have anything similar to it on the market, that plays like this one, far away is the URD Ti 80. But if they put the SRD 95, they have to bring back the 90, which is bigger than the PS85 and PC 600 and more useful than the 2, in my opinion better them both.
For me classic legendary Yonex would be- R-22, R-23,R-18, RD-7, SRD Tour.

Still, yonex told TW in 2009 this..... when they asked about bringing back the Super RD Tour.....


We have checked. It is simply not possible to replicate the material mix used in the construction so replicating the feel would be impossible.

Chris, TW

Yup. I took out my Yonex R-22 out recently. Man, that braided graphite construction back in the day sure was (and still is) great!

Materials are different - better or not is debatable - but different enough to not get the feel the same.

Comparing the Wilson Pro Staff Midsize and 6.0 PS85 and the old and new Prince POGs are great examples of this.......

Do you really think Dunlop would invest millions of dollars to re-create all the injection molding manufacturing equipment from scratch just to produce a limited production frame based on 30 year old technology with limited appeal in today's game? What is the current market for an ultra-low powered, super flexy, 13.2 oz. racquet with a tiny 83 sq. in. head? I don't think Dunlop's owners are in business to lose money.

And please don't get me wrong. I would love for Dunlop to bring back the Max 200G. I absolutely loved that racquet and used it exclusively for 13 years. But as a business person, it doesn't make any financial sense.

I know. I was just saying that it's unlikely, but not impossible.

Buckethead
06-09-2011, 05:04 PM
The performance of the YT Prestige Mid and the PC600 is identical. I have been told on more than one occasion by different people that I hit a heavier ball with the PC600 as compared to the YT Prestige Mid. Both racquets were matched for mass, balance, swing weight, and string. The PC600 has a much better soft feel with better feedback and vibration dampening.. Racquets are not made for one handers or two handers.
The specs can be the same, but the materials aren't and there is a huge difference between the PC 600 made 20 years ago and the Youtek crap made today.

I have hit with the 2 of them and the one of the Prestige mids that has the 16x19, even though I didn't like neither, i must say the Youtek is a way worse in every aspect, and it feels hollow to me.

BTW today I saw this old HEAD graphite director 18x20 and as you're the expert in HEAD rackets, is on the market any grommets that'd fit that racket?
I also know it was made in USA and it says AMF. Let me know what are the options, thanks in advance.

About 2 handed or 1 handed, I know rackets can be used anyway they want, 1 handed BH, 2 handed BH both sides, 2 handed BH and what not, but the point being is, I really don't see any player on tour that has a desire to win anything using a PS 85, PC 600, anything smaller than 93 in today's game is not suitable for a 2 handed, therefore they're made in 99% for 1 handed BH even though I can't recognize any player in the top 100 using the Pretige made with whatever paint job Head makes.
Proof of this is in the numbers of Pro's with 2 handed BH that use 95 or bigger, therefore isn't suitable to today's professional level.


SRD was a thick log though...R-22 all the way - I would want that more than the 6.0...since it won't happen, it has to be the 6.0!

Yes, a bit thicker i think 21mm against the 18mm from the R-22. In my opinion the R22 is the best racket ever made, designed to crush balls made for aggressive players(this would be a perfect racket for Fed), nothing matches it and it is powerful if you can use it and have the technique, forgiving, solid as a diamond , comfortable , everything in one racket.
Only thing I don't like is about the spin, the balls don't jump as high as with my RDS mid, and it's not as maneuverable as the RDS mid, the rest is better.

SRD 95 is another one of those Yonex classic player's racket designed to crush the ball, big sweet spot, great control still forgiving. I'm still testing this one as well.

Buckethead
06-09-2011, 05:15 PM
Hmmmm....I think Safin, Ivanisevic, Monfils, and Borg would disagree. :)
Right they would disagree back then, not now, last time I checked either they are all retired using bigger rackets or in Monfils' case He is using a bigger racket. I do think Monfils used to hit with more power using his old one, in fact I think his fastest 144 MPH in Washington against Isner was hit using that racket.
Still, yonex told TW in 2009 this..... when they asked about bringing back the Super RD Tour.....


We have checked. It is simply not possible to replicate the material mix used in the construction so replicating the feel would be impossible.

Chris, TW
You can cal Yonex and ask them, it may be impossible to replicate the feel, but who said that Yonex doesn't have the formula and composites to make more?
I have talked to them before and they said everybody who used/uses Yonex always request the RD-7 but not the SRD Tour 95.
Yup. I took out my Yonex R-22 out recently. Man, that braided graphite construction back in the day sure was (and still is) great!

Materials are different - better or not is debatable - but different enough to not get the feel the same.

Comparing the Wilson Pro Staff Midsize and 6.0 PS85 and the old and new Prince POGs are great examples of this.......



.

I'll take the R-22 at anytime against rackets made on the same time or before the R-22 was made. That racket is almost 30 y.o and still amuses me every time I use it.

For me the BCode 17 at 52/50 did it for me.

BreakPoint
06-09-2011, 05:59 PM
Right they would disagree back then, not now, last time I checked either they are all retired using bigger rackets or in Monfils' case He is using a bigger racket. I do think Monfils used to hit with more power using his old one, in fact I think his fastest 144 MPH in Washington against Isner was hit using that racket.

Huh? Why would Safin and Monfils be able to hit their 2HBH's using a PC600 just two years ago but today they wouldn't be able to? :confused: Nothing about their backhands have changed.

vsbabolat
06-09-2011, 06:31 PM
The specs can be the same, but the materials aren't and there is a huge difference between the PC 600 made 20 years ago and the Youtek crap made today.

I have hit with the 2 of them and the one of the Prestige mids that has the 16x19, even though I didn't like neither, i must say the Youtek is a way worse in every aspect, and it feels hollow to me.

BTW today I saw this old HEAD graphite director 18x20 and as you're the expert in HEAD rackets, is on the market any grommets that'd fit that racket?
I also know it was made in USA and it says AMF. Let me know what are the options, thanks in advance.

About 2 handed or 1 handed, I know rackets can be used anyway they want, 1 handed BH, 2 handed BH both sides, 2 handed BH and what not, but the point being is, I really don't see any player on tour that has a desire to win anything using a PS 85, PC 600, anything smaller than 93 in today's game is not suitable for a 2 handed, therefore they're made in 99% for 1 handed BH even though I can't recognize any player in the top 100 using the Pretige made with whatever paint job Head makes.
Proof of this is in the numbers of Pro's with 2 handed BH that use 95 or bigger, therefore isn't suitable to today's professional level.


Pure nonsence. A racquet is not 99% for 1 handed Backhands. Most of the palyers still using the Prestige Classic and the YT Prestige Mid on Tour use two handed back hands. Two Hand backhands on the tour that uses the Prestige Mid off the top of my head:
Robin Haase uses the PC600
Rainer Schuettler uses the Prestige Mid 16x19
Sloan Stephens (WTA Tour)

There is no doubt that the trend for both backhand styles is to 95 and larger. Very few players still uses the midsize no matter what kind of backhand is used. It is not exclusive to either 2 or 1 handed backhand.

Oh and the Graphite Director is 18x21 string pattern.

vsbabolat
06-09-2011, 06:39 PM
Huh? Why would Safin and Monfils be able to hit their 2HBH's using a PC600 just two years ago but today they wouldn't be able to? :confused: Nothing about their backhands have changed.

Buckethead has a selective memory.

4sound
06-09-2011, 07:29 PM
You guys are funny.

How did the question of which classic racquet will TW bring back turn into what the pros players would use and 1 handed backhands? LOL

TW needs to just tell us what racket its going to be.

Actually, TW, can you at least tell us how much this mystery racket will cost?

tnsanydy
06-09-2011, 08:16 PM
It would be nice if it's from Wilson. I'm just hoping that if they're bringing back an "old Classic" wether it be the 6.0 85 or the 95, it better be the old classic down to it's material of 80% braided graphite and 20% kevlar and none of the new tech stuff otherwise it won't be considered a classic like what they did with the KPS88 with the Carocrap, I mean Karophite! I would have stocked up on those if they were made of braided graphite and kevlar- trying to fool me with classic "paint job" won't do the trick for me, sorry.:)

tnsanydy
06-09-2011, 09:04 PM
It would be nice if it's from Wilson. I'm just hoping that if they're bringing back an "old Classic" wether it be the 6.0 85 or the 95, it better be the old classic down to it's material of 80% braided graphite and 20% kevlar and none of the new tech stuff otherwise it won't be considered a classic like what they did with the KPS88 with the Carocrap, I mean Karophite! I would have stocked up on those if they were made of braided graphite and kevlar- trying to fool me with classic "paint job" won't do the trick for me, sorry.:)

Having said that, if I have to guess, it would be the Prostaff 6.0 95, why? Because the 95 will have a wider appeal (not wider following) due to it's more forgiving stats than the more demanding 85, after all, to Wilson, Head, dunlop or whichever brand you're rooting for, it's still business, not personal!:)

000KFACTOR90000
06-09-2011, 09:10 PM
I'm determined not to buy any more racquets but a max 200g would be impossible to resist !

tandayu
06-09-2011, 09:34 PM
You guys are funny.

How did the question of which classic racquet will TW bring back turn into what the pros players would use and 1 handed backhands? LOL

TW needs to just tell us what racket its going to be.

Actually, TW, can you at least tell us how much this mystery racket will cost?

Well... the price is another issue. It will be a big riot on this forum upon announcement of the actual price.

Based on the previous PC600 special TW order, there was major complaints on the price but then the racket sold out fast.

Agent Orynge
06-09-2011, 11:27 PM
Buckethead has a selective memory.

It's unfortunate, but sometimes people can't back up their irrational brand loyalty *cough*Yonex*cough* with substance, so they have to fabricate reasons why everything else is inferior.

It would have to be the PS 6.0 85 or the PC600. The following that these racquets have would produce massive sales for the manufacturer.

I hope everyone realizes that no matter which racquet gets brought back, it's not exactly going to be a cash cow for TW or the manufacturer. If there was real money to be made here these racquets would never have been discontinued in the first place. The reason it's being announced here, on the message boards, is because we are the target market, not the everyday consumer.

Yoakim
06-09-2011, 11:41 PM
PC 600! But wouldnt it also be great if they brought out the Pro Tour 630!!

tennis4josh
06-10-2011, 12:08 AM
I think it has to be PC600 since it's still in production for touring pros. I believe Head would price it higher so that it does not eat into the sales of YT prestige mid. The hype of this racket has reached an extreme. Just see the prices on fleabay.

I just don't think 200g can be made again. Wilson for sure cannot recreate prostaff magic. Plus I don't think that head size / weight is suitable for modern tennis.

I don't know anything about SRD 95 or Volkl, so can't comment.

-Josh

fms
06-10-2011, 12:26 AM
Question for TW:

Is this racket going to be TW-US-exclusive, or is it going to be stocked by TW-Europe (and by other retailers?) as well?

____
06-10-2011, 02:20 AM
PS 85 is good to have one in your collection but not very user friendly when it comes to match play.

Non of the pros use sub 90 sq inches ,actually only Fed use 90 sq inches, All others use MP head.

It's weird that while the pros already went for bigger head size,the club players are still craving for a smaller one.

So I guess it shouldn't be PS 85 cause it will not attract wide range of players level,the result is less $$$ for the seller.

I go for Volkl.TW used to carry many Volkl discontinue models.

It has MP head,arm friendly,still handle today's modern game well and is not too demanding.

asiank90
06-10-2011, 02:40 AM
Can you at least tell us how much it will cost us?

Mdubb23
06-10-2011, 03:06 AM
Another question is whether or not 2011 marks the 25th or 20th anniversary of the original release of one of these frames.

fms
06-10-2011, 03:15 AM
Well for the Wilson 6.0 '85 that was last year.
;)

vsbabolat
06-10-2011, 03:48 AM
Another question is whether or not 2011 marks the 25th or 20th anniversary of the original release of one of these frames.

If they brought back the real Prestige it would be the 25th anniversary of the release of the Prestige Pro.:)

asiank90
06-10-2011, 04:01 AM
If they brought back the real Prestige it would be the 25th anniversary of the release of the Prestige Pro.:)
So it seems that it will most likely be the prestige

classic tennis
06-10-2011, 04:16 AM
Fischer Vacuum Power 110 !

Buckethead
06-10-2011, 04:41 AM
Pure nonsence. A racquet is not 99% for 1 handed Backhands. Most of the palyers still using the Prestige Classic and the YT Prestige Mid on Tour use two handed back hands. Two Hand backhands on the tour that uses the Prestige Mid off the top of my head:
Robin Haase uses the PC600
Rainer Schuettler uses the Prestige Mid 16x19
Sloan Stephens (WTA Tour)

There is no doubt that the trend for both backhand styles is to 95 and larger. Very few players still uses the midsize no matter what kind of backhand is used. It is not exclusive to either 2 or 1 handed backhand.

Oh and the Graphite Director is 18x21 string pattern.

That is why I said players who have desire to win something, the players you mentioned right, may use the rackets and their variations but they don't win anything pretty much, or barely make to finals of an ATP 250.

I saw some pictures online and it is a HEAD Graphite Director TXD, a very weird shaped racket that almost looks like a bigger version of a squash racket. It has 2 shared holes, which I guess it will be impossible to find grommets for it, even though I ask you:

Is there any grommets still on the market that fits that racket, do you have any idea where I can get the grommets for it, if I could buy the grommets I'd be interested in buying the racket, only in holding the racket I can tell you it feels more solid than the Youtek one.

stevewcosta
06-10-2011, 04:47 AM
Still, yonex told TW in 2009 this..... when they asked about bringing back the Super RD Tour.....


We have checked. It is simply not possible to replicate the material mix used in the construction so replicating the feel would be impossible.

Chris, TW

Interesting - I'll leave it at that. OK, I can't. Rac. manufacturers are dimwitts.

Buckethead
06-10-2011, 04:53 AM
I think it has to be PC600 since it's still in production for touring pros. I believe Head would price it higher so that it does not eat into the sales of YT prestige mid. The hype of this racket has reached an extreme. Just see the prices on fleabay.

I just don't think 200g can be made again. Wilson for sure cannot recreate prostaff magic. Plus I don't think that head size / weight is suitable for modern tennis.

I don't know anything about SRD 95 or Volkl, so can't comment.

-Josh
Exactely what I said.

Can only be HEAD PC 600, Yonex SRD tour 95 or Volkl Tour Gen 1. At least HEAD would offer the same thing they offer to pros, but they would have to make the same paint as the Trysis 300 mid, Prestige tour 600 or that green one, the best paints ever made by HEAD.
PS 85- This racket has no place for the modern game at all, it is just for collecting purposes, I have a Wilson Ultra, before the 85 and it is small as hell, it's oly made for 1 handers which are just getting smothered by the 2 hander.

PC 600- Well, the above applies for this one, and to be even worse this is 18x20, so it'd be only made for one handed back hand flat hitters, anybody else wouldn't work.

Dunlop Max 200G- BP already said, it's not an option anymore.

Volkl Tour 10 Gen 1- It indeed has a similar model, the C10 Pro maybe if it is a mid plus.

SRD Tour 95- Yeah, I just got one of these beast, and Yonex doesn't have anything similar to it on the market, that plays like this one, far away is the URD Ti 80. But if they put the SRD 95, they have to bring back the 90, which is bigger than the PS85 and PC 600 and more useful than the 2, in my opinion better them both.
For me classic legendary Yonex would be- R-22, R-23,R-18, RD-7, SRD Tour.

Honestly I think it is between the Yonex SRD 95 because Yonex brought back the URD 80, so they may start this new trend or it is the HEAD PC 600 which is only made for pros, but Head can make it available and they are still able to make it.

zapvor
06-10-2011, 05:17 AM
so...we still dont know when its happening.

dParis
06-10-2011, 05:49 AM
so...we still dont know when its happening.
TW is announcing a week from today.

I don't see it being the Wilson PS 85. I thought the KPS88 was as close as they were going to come.

The Dunlop would seem cost prohibitive.

Don't know about the Head. Could be, I guess.

Same for the Yonex. They did bring back the Ti-80 though...

I voted and am hoping for the Volkl Tour 10 MP. I don't think they scrapped the mold. The hoop geometry of the Becker Legend/Melbourne is nearly identical and still uses the RAP grommets. Volkl also released a couple of old Tour models last year, in the Scorcher and another frame I can't remember the name of atm. So, I think the manufacture of the T10MP would be relatively easy - and as ____ mentioned, it satisfies players looking for old-school feel and arm friendliness while also being adaptable to a modern style game with its headsize and spin potential.

We'll see...

000KFACTOR90000
06-10-2011, 07:12 AM
not on the poll but I'd love to see the wilson hyper pro staff 6.0 95 (and plus) back.

seems like quite a few pro's still using the frame on the tour.

TheOneHander
06-10-2011, 07:15 AM
Out of these, the manufacturing processes would be hard to replicate for the Yonex and the Dunlop. Personally, I'm not a Volkl buff, so I cannot comment, but they already have the Tour Gen II, IIRC. So that leaves the Pro Staff and the PC600. If it were my choice, I'd select the Prestige, as Wilson already has the KPS88 (and it wasn't as big of a hit as planned, even though it's a fantastic stick) and another 85 square inch head size would be almost redundant. That leaves the Prestige, which would make sense-there's a huge market for them on the 'bay, even though they already have the YTPM (which isn't analogous to the KPS88, as it wasn't a special release). However, I'd definitely purchase either the Wilson or the Head if they were to release.

TW, thanks for telling us the unveiling date! This is all very exciting :)

vsbabolat
06-10-2011, 07:56 AM
That is why I said players who have desire to win something, the players you mentioned right, may use the rackets and their variations but they don't win anything pretty much, or barely make to finals of an ATP 250.

I saw some pictures online and it is a HEAD Graphite Director TXD, a very weird shaped racket that almost looks like a bigger version of a squash racket. It has 2 shared holes, which I guess it will be impossible to find grommets for it, even though I ask you:

Is there any grommets still on the market that fits that racket, do you have any idea where I can get the grommets for it, if I could buy the grommets I'd be interested in buying the racket, only in holding the racket I can tell you it feels more solid than the Youtek one.

Most all the players that used the Prestige Mids have retired. The current generation that is playing for the mos part only ever played with 95 or greater. That is why less play the Prestige Mid now. But there are a few new players that use the Prestige Mid to good effect such as Sloan Stephens and Robin Haase.

The Graphite Director TXD is 16x20 string pattern. You can try cutting up a set of grommets to fit it your you cant try fittex grommet.
Exactely what I said.

Can only be HEAD PC 600, Yonex SRD tour 95 or Volkl Tour Gen 1. At least HEAD would offer the same thing they offer to pros, but they would have to make the same paint as the Trysis 300 mid, Prestige tour 600 or that green one, the best paints ever made by HEAD.

The best paint or cosmetics ever made by Head is the Prestige Pro 600.

vsbabolat
06-10-2011, 08:04 AM
So it seems that it will most likely be the prestige

I'd like it to be. A 25th anniversary Limited Edition would be real nice.

BreakPoint
06-10-2011, 10:09 AM
It's weird that while the pros already went for bigger head size,the club players are still craving for a smaller one.

It's not so weird because most club players never have to play against the pros. At the level of competition that most club players play, a smaller head size works just fine. :)

wao
06-10-2011, 11:12 AM
One of these racquets will be back this year! Can you guess which one?

Pick which one you'd want most. You can pick more than one. Discuss!Prestige Classic is my vote though I would love to see the Rad Twin tube come back

Buckethead
06-10-2011, 12:32 PM
Let me assume a little more.

It can really be HEAD, maybe trying to get extra sales as well, they may not be doing that good anymore. Head Youtek Extreme was so shi.. tty that in one year or less they replaced it and the same with the Instinct. They are throwing more specials, $20 bucks off on any of their rackets, buy 2 get XX$ off, ...

Wilson- Since it's been said Pistol Smapras will have a new racket made to him, who said Wilson will not bring his original racket? Plus i don't think Wilson is doing that great in sales neither, throwing specials 2,3 times a year, so that means they're looking for more sales.

VS- thanks for help, bu I think I'll leave that racket alone, too much work for nothing and I'm not a HEAD fan so having that racket doesn't make any difference to me.
About the paint job, well, that's your opinion, my favorite paints all time include those i mentioned, along side PS tour(yellow black red), URD Ti 80(new one), RDiS 200, RQiS 1 Tour, RD-7, RD-8(only saw on pics), SFIT 5... Tecnifibre 325 VOMAX.

Buckethead
06-10-2011, 12:32 PM
It's not so weird because most club players never have to play against the pros. At the level of competition that most club players play, a smaller head size works just fine. :)

Finally we agreed in something, lol.

Agent Orynge
06-10-2011, 12:36 PM
Let me assume a little more.

It can really be HEAD, maybe trying to get extra sales as well, they may not be doing that good anymore. Head Youtek Extreme was so shi.. tty that in one year or less they replaced it and the same with the Instinct. They are throwing more specials, $20 bucks off on any of their rackets, buy 2 get XX$ off, ...

Wilson- Since it's been said Pistol Smapras will have a new racket made to him, who said Wilson will not bring his original racket? Plus i don't think Wilson is doing that great in sales neither, throwing specials 2,3 times a year, so that means they're looking for more sales.

VS- thanks for help, bu I think I'll leave that racket alone, too much work for nothing and I'm not a HEAD fan so having that racket doesn't make any difference to me.
About the paint job, well, that's your opinion, my favorite paints all time include those i mentioned, along side PS tour(yellow black red), URD Ti 80(new one), RDiS 200, RQiS 1 Tour, RD-7, RD-8(only saw on pics), SFIT 5... Tecnifibre 325 VOMAX.

You are quite the sophist. Do you have any marketing figures to back up your assumptions?

TheOneHander
06-10-2011, 12:38 PM
You are quite the sophist. Do you have any marketing figures to back up your assumptions?

No, he doesn't.

Buckethead
06-10-2011, 12:44 PM
You are quite the sophist. Do you have any marketing figures to back up your assumptions?

That is why I said I'm assuming, since I don't have real factors, and that's why also TW put the thread to discuss, assume...

It can be specious what I wrote above, that's all.

Agent Orynge
06-10-2011, 12:49 PM
It can be specious? How about it is fallacious?

TheOneHander
06-10-2011, 12:51 PM
Especially considering how Wilson currently has 11 best sellers on TW and that they had the third-best selling racquet of 2010 (BLX 6.1 95 16x18).

Buckethead
06-10-2011, 12:52 PM
It can be specious? How about it is fallacious?

LOL, I'm not gonna waste my time here with you, I know you like arguing a lot with people, tennismaverick being your main guy, among others at Volkl threads.

Have a good evening . :)

dominikk1985
06-10-2011, 12:58 PM
It's not so weird because most club players never have to play against the pros. At the level of competition that most club players play, a smaller head size works just fine. :)

Does that mean federer only won so many slams with his small head because of weak competition?:D

zumzool
06-10-2011, 01:10 PM
LOL, I'm not gonna waste my time here with you, I know you like arguing a lot with people, tennismaverick being your main guy, among others at Volkl threads.

Have a good evening . :)

+1. Never has anything productive to say.

Agent Orynge
06-10-2011, 01:13 PM
LOL, I'm not gonna waste my time here with you, I know you like arguing a lot with people, tennismaverick being your main guy, among others at Volkl threads.

Have a good evening . :)

At least TM wasn't so thoroughly biased that he needed to badmouth everything but Yonex... I mean Volkl. People actually valued his opinions, how do you think they feel about you?

vsbabolat
06-10-2011, 01:21 PM
It would have been even more amzing if the Pro Tour 630 was a option.

BounceHitBounceHit
06-10-2011, 01:23 PM
Now what fun would it be if we just told you right away? :-)

Agreed! Let the speculation continue!!!!!!!!! Then have Wilson make some PS 6.0 85's if you can, please. ;) BHBH

BreakPoint
06-10-2011, 01:53 PM
Does that mean federer only won so many slams with his small head because of weak competition?:D
Yes, guys like Nadal, Murray, and Djkokovic, what jokes those guys are. They couldn't even beat Federer with their huge modern racquets despite Federer using a teeny weeny archaic wood-like hunk of junk. :)

It also means that Federer could beat any club player with a ping pong paddle. :shock:

tennis4josh
06-10-2011, 02:18 PM
Why two threads TW?

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=383609

TW Staff
06-10-2011, 02:26 PM
Why two threads TW?

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=383609

We wanted to make sure all racquet enthusiasts had a chance to see this post. Users that frequent the "Classic Racquet Talk" thread might not go into the "Racquets" thread and vice versa.

Jason, TW

zumzool
06-10-2011, 03:10 PM
A summation (or just some thoughts) of the pros and cons of the racquets chances of being reissued.... it's not perfect by any means, but it may help in determining viability for these choices...

Yonex Super RD-Tour 95

Pros:
- Ti-80 line is currently the ONLY yonex racquet with old school yonex feel.
it's on it's 3rd gen paint job and is getting a bit dated...
the market for them has probably gotten stale as those who would buy them, probably have bought them by now...
so a refresh or introduction with the SRD would be welcome to old school yonex users.

Cons:
- Is there a large enough market to make it financially viable?
- Is it even possible to reproduce the mix of materials...
- originally came in 95 and 90 sq in head sizes... would they reintroduce one and not the other?


Dunlop Max 200G

Pros:
other than people saying they would love to see it, dunlop reintroducing this racquet seems out of character for them.
They have clearly delineated lines with aerogel 4d to biomimetic.... so where does this one-off fit in?

Cons:
- machinery to reproduce it is no longer available.
- no current line of classic racquets so why start one now.


Wilson Pro Staff 6.0 85
Pros:
-huge following
- easily reproducible
- have done it before.
- Wilson financially capable.

Cons:
- how big of a market is there for 85 sq in head size with today's modern game?
- and likewise how big is market when they already have the blx six.one tour which is 90 sq in.
- does it make financial sense with a 85 sq in head size?

Volkl Tour 10 Gen I
Pros:
- already known to reproduce classic racquets so adding one more wouldn't be a surprise
- easily reproducible.

Cons:
- already have similar classic racquets such as the c10 in their line up
- similarly, as a result does it make financial sense for volkl?


Head Prestige Classic
Pros:
- Huge aftermarket for these classic frames.
- Head financial resources to make it happen.
- Current mid offering has been somewhat overshadowed by their midplus offering recently. could revitalize mids.
- easily reproducible
- have they reissued classic racquets in the past? (not sure)

Cons:
- no classic racquets in their current offering would make this out of place a bit.

MethodTennis
06-10-2011, 03:13 PM
babolat pure drive 1st gen :(

-Bobo-
06-10-2011, 03:56 PM
I don't know what the hell some of you guys are on about, people are paying like 600-800 for new pc 600 and ps85's on the bay and they're selling like hot cakes, now if you get a new batch produced from a trusted seller like TW at lets say 200 bucks a pop that's a whole bunch of guys buying at least 3-4 sticks, seems like a decently big market to me. The only racquet i think might sell more is the pt630.

Buckethead
06-10-2011, 05:21 PM
A summation (or just some thoughts) of the pros and cons of the racquets chances of being reissued.... it's not perfect by any means, but it may help in determining viability for these choices...

Yonex Super RD-Tour 95

Pros:
- Ti-80 line is currently the ONLY yonex racquet with old school yonex feel.
it's on it's 3rd gen paint job and is getting a bit dated...
the market for them has probably gotten stale as those who would buy them, probably have bought them by now...
so a refresh or introduction with the SRD would be welcome to old school yonex users.

Cons:
- Is there a large enough market to make it financially viable?
- Is it even possible to reproduce the mix of materials...
- originally came in 95 and 90 sq in head sizes... would they reintroduce one and not the other?


Dunlop Max 200G

Pros:
other than people saying they would love to see it, dunlop reintroducing this racquet seems out of character for them.
They have clearly delineated lines with aerogel 4d to biomimetic.... so where does this one-off fit in?

Cons:
- machinery to reproduce it is no longer available.
- no current line of classic racquets so why start one now.


Wilson Pro Staff 6.0 85
Pros:
-huge following
- easily reproducible
- have done it before.
- Wilson financially capable.

Cons:
- how big of a market is there for 85 sq in head size with today's modern game?
- and likewise how big is market when they already have the blx six.one tour which is 90 sq in.
- does it make financial sense with a 85 sq in head size?

Volkl Tour 10 Gen I
Pros:
- already known to reproduce classic racquets so adding one more wouldn't be a surprise
- easily reproducible.

Cons:
- already have similar classic racquets such as the c10 in their line up
- similarly, as a result does it make financial sense for volkl?


Head Prestige Classic
Pros:
- Huge aftermarket for these classic frames.
- Head financial resources to make it happen.
- Current mid offering has been somewhat overshadowed by their midplus offering recently. could revitalize mids.
- easily reproducible
- have they reissued classic racquets in the past? (not sure)

Cons:
- no classic racquets in their current offering would make this out of place a bit.

Good observations.

GoSurfBoy
06-10-2011, 05:30 PM
Fun thread, but rather than go backwards (for Wilson), I'd like to see Wilson go forward and release a REAL marketable - and probable very large sales item;

Wilson BLX Six One Tour 95. All flat-black (K Tour-style). Simple logos in gold.

Perhaps TW should start a thread/poll and see what interest is generated?

Many threads on that 'classic feel' revolve around a box-frame construction, which has a unique feel, as most everything is tubular, now.

I was told by a Wilson rep' this frame is possible. So why not? The Tour 90 is a best seller, and the ONLY constant I ever see in a complaint? Demanding headsize.

So why go 85?? Cool and fun, but I think sales would be rather limited.

I don't know........Just my 2 cents... but I think sales would be substantial and continuous vs a 'run'....and then what?

(Sorry if I got this somewhat off track!)

tnsanydy
06-10-2011, 05:46 PM
Yes, guys like Nadal, Murray, and Djkokovic, what jokes those guys are. They couldn't even beat Federer with their huge modern racquets despite Federer using a teeny weeny archaic wood-like hunk of junk. :)

It also means that Federer could beat any club player with a ping pong paddle. :shock:

You guys are a little off topic but I just can't resist to get in to it- I have to agree with BreakPoint here and he does brought up a question I've been asking myself- if Fed can beat Nadal, Murray and Djokovic with his six one 90 head size, I can just imagine what he can do with a 100 head size. We don't even know if his current coach even have the guts to give him a hint to try it out or actually handing him a 100 head size on a whim to see how much faster his serve would be. I mean if I'm his coach, he needs to let him realize that he's not 20 years old anymore- time to move to a little more powerful racket to keep up with the compitition! :)

dje31
06-10-2011, 05:53 PM
Can't see it being the Volkl...if it's truly a re-issue, original construction and all, one of the selling points was having Ti in the mix---though I don't know how much in reality was in there. Regardless, that material fad sailed 10 years ago.

Kevlar, Twaron, or its modern poor relation Innegra, are still relevent, and sought after, esp. compared to Ti.

Don't get me wrong...I've got 3 Tour 10 Mids that I still use and love 'em. I just don't see the $$$ in this crappy economy, even in the MP variant.

Any MFR who wants to survive, let alone thrive, had better have some sales numbers potential to revive one of the classics.

leonidas1982
06-10-2011, 06:13 PM
ps 85 and kps 88 please. Fee posted a recent link from Sampras' assistant: http://twitpic.com/581ef2

martini1
06-10-2011, 10:26 PM
How about the PST 90? Nice PJ.

UCSF2012
06-11-2011, 06:56 PM
THE racket to bring back is the PS 6.1 Classic. The PS 85 is dead and for a reason. Any of the Tour 90 rackets out perform the 85. That said, I'd buy a new PS 85, just for the sake of having a new one.

Meriko
06-11-2011, 07:07 PM
I really hope it's either the PS85 or the PC600, when I'm really on my game, I play better with those frames than any other.

dParis
06-12-2011, 10:03 AM
One more reason I think the reissue might be the Volkl is that it seems like something of an oddball on that list. Of all the classics, why include the Tour 10MP as one of four on that list??

Lavs
06-12-2011, 11:01 AM
Volkl had already got back C10.
So why not to keep moving and do the same with Tour?
Most reasonable - Volkl.

coachrick
06-12-2011, 11:11 AM
One more reason I think the reissue might be the Volkl is that it seems like something of an oddball on that list. Of all the classics, why include the Tour 10MP as one of four on that list??

The list doesn't mention M "P" ; rather it just states "Tour 10 Gen 1" . All the while, I've been thinking the "mid" , not MP as a 'real' classic. I still enjoy my mid, sold my MP(s) when I switched to the DNX 9. Given the challenge to choose one to play a real match, I'd be all over the Gen 1 mid, Prestige second and Pro Staff a distant third. (I'll duck for cover now! ;) )

dParis
06-12-2011, 04:47 PM
The list doesn't mention M "P" ; rather it just states "Tour 10 Gen 1" . All the while, I've been thinking the "mid" , not MP as a 'real' classic. I still enjoy my mid, sold my MP(s) when I switched to the DNX 9. Given the challenge to choose one to play a real match, I'd be all over the Gen 1 mid, Prestige second and Pro Staff a distant third. (I'll duck for cover now! ;) )
Your right, coach. I don't know why I felt sure it was the MP. Was there an edit? One thing that may have done it is that they made a point that it was the Gen I as opposed to the Gen II - not a classic, but only available in MP, I believe.

Kaz00
06-12-2011, 08:22 PM
I voted the PS85 because I hit with my coaches once and it felt amazing (I use a pure drive roddick gt). I am interested in the Head PC600, it gets a lot of attention and I think it help me more than the PDRGT. If either racquet gets released I will be happy..... I hope its either the PC600 or PS85 there will be a lot of angry dudes if aint either racquet

aimr75
06-12-2011, 09:02 PM
Would be nice if it were the ps85. Actually would be great if they released a limited amount in different paint jobs, particularly the Tour90 and nCode.

stevewcosta
06-13-2011, 12:30 PM
Would be nice if it were the ps85. Actually would be great if they released a limited amount in different paint jobs, particularly the Tour90 and nCode.

6.0 90 with T90 paintjob - would be best racquet of all time! Never happen. They'll "re-issue" the 85 with a crappy, muted feel as if that's an enhancement for anyone who has ever played with a good racquet.

stevewcosta
06-13-2011, 12:37 PM
6.0 90 with T90 paintjob - would be best racquet of all time! Never happen. They'll "re-issue" the 85 with a crappy, muted feel as if that's an enhancement for anyone who has ever played with a good racquet.

6.0 with T90 Paintjob - re-post in the event reading is a challenge for Wilson!

Pushmaster
06-13-2011, 01:07 PM
If it's the 6.0 85 it stands to reason that they'll bring back the 95 as well (I'm hoping anyway). I got a feeling it will be the PC 600 though, not that I'm complaining. :)

Agent Orynge
06-13-2011, 02:55 PM
If it's the 6.0 85 it stands to reason that they'll bring back the 95 as well (I'm hoping anyway). I got a feeling it will be the PC 600 though, not that I'm complaining. :)

Not necessarily. The 85 continued to sell long after TW dropped the 6.0 95.

vsbabolat
06-13-2011, 04:07 PM
It's a neck and neck here with Prestige Classic 600 and the Wilson Pro Staff Midsize both at 91 votes. While in the other poll in the classic racquet section the Pro Staff has gone into the lead.

Hominator
06-13-2011, 04:17 PM
My guess that due to the timing, it has to do with commemorating something with Wimbledon. Is this the anniversary of anything? I'm guessing it's the Wilson. Have not heard anything from Volkl on any re-issue, so that would really surprise me.

vsbabolat
06-13-2011, 04:21 PM
My guess that due to the timing, it has to do with commemorating something with Wimbledon. Is this the anniversary of anything? I'm guessing it's the Wilson. Have not heard anything from Volkl on any re-issue, so that would really surprise me.

The Prestige Pro (TXP in The U.S.A) came out 25 years ago.

Nextman916
06-13-2011, 04:41 PM
They should remake the PC600 in a 16 x 19 pattern, that would be the perfect racquet.

Baxter
06-13-2011, 04:55 PM
Everybody wants the racquet back from when they were in their glory days, but you can pick up a 200G for as low as $21, so why would they bring that back if you can get the real thing for almost nothing. I'm betting on the Wilson.

tennisfarmer
06-13-2011, 05:22 PM
They should remake the PC600 in a 16 x 19 pattern, that would be the perfect racquet.

+1 ...............

Pushmaster
06-13-2011, 05:43 PM
Not necessarily. The 85 continued to sell long after TW dropped the 6.0 95.

I realize that the 85 has more of a following, but the 95 is more realistic for us mere mortals. :oops:

UCSF2012
06-13-2011, 06:13 PM
Bringing back the Yonex, Dunlop, and Volkl would be stupid. No one'll actually buy them. There aren't enough potential customers to do business with. The PS 85 and Prestige would actually sell a few.

Granted, none of those 5 rackets can keep up with modern rackets. People would buy some for fun, use them for rallies, play friends in friendly matches, etc. Bring them out in a competition where the opponent will have their freshly strung Pure Drive and you'll be playing defense on every shot.

The PS 85 belongs in a museum, not a tennis court.

BounceHitBounceHit
06-13-2011, 06:13 PM
Fun thread, but rather than go backwards (for Wilson), I'd like to see Wilson go forward and release a REAL marketable - and probable very large sales item;

Wilson BLX Six One Tour 95. All flat-black (K Tour-style). Simple logos in gold.

Perhaps TW should start a thread/poll and see what interest is generated?

Many threads on that 'classic feel' revolve around a box-frame construction, which has a unique feel, as most everything is tubular, now.

I was told by a Wilson rep' this frame is possible. So why not? The Tour 90 is a best seller, and the ONLY constant I ever see in a complaint? Demanding headsize.

So why go 85?? Cool and fun, but I think sales would be rather limited.

I don't know........Just my 2 cents... but I think sales would be substantial and continuous vs a 'run'....and then what?

(Sorry if I got this somewhat off track!)

I agree. I think Wilson could sell the heck out of this frame, especially if it were a 95si head with a 18-20mm TRUE box beam construction and a nice medium stiff flex. ;) BHBH

vsbabolat
06-13-2011, 06:16 PM
Bringing back the Yonex, Dunlop, and Volkl would be stupid. No one'll actually buy them. There aren't enough potential customers to do business with. The PS 85 and Prestige would actually sell a few.

Granted, none of those 5 rackets can keep up with modern rackets. People would buy some for fun, use them for rallies, play friends in friendly matches, etc. Bring them out in a competition where the opponent will have their freshly strung Pure Drive and you'll be playing defense on every shot.

The PS 85 belongs in a museum, not a tennis court.

I guess Robin Haase would play better if he did not use the Prestige Classic.

vsbabolat
06-13-2011, 06:17 PM
I agree. I think Wilson could sell the heck out of this frame, especially if it were a 95si head with a 18-20mm TRUE box beam construction and a nice medium stiff flex. ;) BHBH

I am in agreement also.

UCSF2012
06-13-2011, 06:23 PM
I guess Robin Haase would play better if he did not use the Prestige Classic.

Should I really care what the pros can do with their rackets? If I trained 3-4 hours per day, I can do some damage with my PS 85. But I'd still play better with the K90 and KPS88.

And Robin doesn't appear to use the Prestige Classic. Performance actually matters to him cuz he's pro. No need to handicap yourself in the pro tour.

vsbabolat
06-13-2011, 06:33 PM
Should I really care what the pros can do with their rackets? If I trained 3-4 hours per day, I can do some damage with my PS 85. But I'd still play better with the K90 and KPS88.

And Robin doesn't appear to use the Prestige Classic. Performance actually matters to him cuz he's pro. No need to handicap yourself in the pro tour.

Yes, Robin uses the Prestige Classic 600 with the paint job of the YT Prestige Mid. Your right performance is important to Robin. That is why he chose to use the Prestige Classic over the YT Prestige Mid.

4sound
06-13-2011, 07:21 PM
They should remake the PC600 in a 16 x 19 pattern, that would be the perfect racquet.

Yes bring back the TGK 237.2. They sold out within a day or two at the most. I will by 10.

BreakPoint
06-13-2011, 07:28 PM
Not necessarily. The 85 continued to sell long after TW dropped the 6.0 95.
If I remember correctly, TW stopped getting shipments of both the PS 6.0 85 and the PS 6.0 95 at the same time. It was a shock to both TW and all of its customers. TW had a private deal for Wilson to make both the 85 and the 95 for as long as TW wanted them and could sell them. Wilson threw everyone for a loop by suddenly deciding to stop production of both and canceling all private production deals. I was counting on TW having access to PS 6.0 95's for whenever I needed them but that didn't work out. :(

UCSF2012
06-13-2011, 07:31 PM
Yes, Robin uses the Prestige Classic 600 with the paint job of the YT Prestige Mid. Your right performance is important to Robin. That is why he chose to use the Prestige Classic over the YT Prestige Mid.

I'll say it again. I really don't care what racket the pros use. They can use the Jack Kramer wooden racket for all I care. It's different when you can practice 5 hours per day everyday.

I don't even know who tha hell Robin Haase is nor do I care. And I can't verify what racket he actually uses. Just cuz someone says he uses such and such racket doesn't mean they're right. Some people say Fed uses the KPS88, while some others say he uses the original Tour 90. (People make crap up.) I won't try to confirm which racket Robin uses, because I don't care.

Devilito
06-13-2011, 07:39 PM
Should I really care what the pros can do with their rackets? If I trained 3-4 hours per day, I can do some damage with my PS 85. But I'd still play better with the K90 and KPS88.

And Robin doesn't appear to use the Prestige Classic. Performance actually matters to him cuz he's pro. No need to handicap yourself in the pro tour.

how is it different? You don't think pros want the easiest racquet possible to play with to maximize their performance? Players using the Prestige Classic do it because they feel it's the best frame they can play with

I'll say it again. I really don't care what racket the pros use. They can use the Jack Kramer wooden racket for all I care. It's different when you can practice 5 hours per day everyday.

I don't even know who tha hell Robin Haase is nor do I care. And I can't verify what racket he actually uses. Just cuz someone says he uses such and such racket doesn't mean they're right. Some people say Fed uses the KPS88, while some others say he uses the original Tour 90. (People make crap up.) I won't try to confirm which racket Robin uses, because I don't care.

you were just told what he uses. It's no different whether he's a club player or a pro player. A pro won't play with a frame that handicaps him. If he feels it is the best frame for him then that's evidence it's still a top frame because at the pro level it makes a much bigger difference than at your level.

Jaewonnie
06-13-2011, 07:43 PM
Yes bring back the TGK 237.2. They sold out within a day or two at the most. I will by 10.

This is precisely the reason why it sold out so fast :p

vsbabolat
06-13-2011, 07:45 PM
I'll say it again. I really don't care what racket the pros use. They can use the Jack Kramer wooden racket for all I care. It's different when you can practice 5 hours per day everyday.

I don't even know who tha hell Robin Haase is nor do I care. And I can't verify what racket he actually uses. Just cuz someone says he uses such and such racket doesn't mean they're right. Some people say Fed uses the KPS88, while some others say he uses the original Tour 90. (People make crap up.) I won't try to confirm which racket Robin uses, because I don't care.

I don't make crap-up. I know for a fact that he uses the Prestige Classic 600. You are making a issue of it when you don't even know who the guy is. That is pretty funny.
Granted, none of those 5 rackets can keep up with modern rackets. People would buy some for fun, use them for rallies, play friends in friendly matches, etc. Bring them out in a competition where the opponent will have their freshly strung Pure Drive and you'll be playing defense on every shot.
I hate to break it to you but I play competitively with the Prestige Classic 600. It suits my game perfectly. You should not project the deficiencies of your game on to other people.

UCSF2012
06-13-2011, 07:52 PM
I don't make crap-up. I know for a fact that he uses the Prestige Classic 600. You are making a issue of it when you don't even know who the guy is. That is pretty funny.

I hate to break it to you but I play competitively with the Prestige Classic 600. It suits my game perfectly. You should not project the deficiencies of your game on to other people.

I know for a fact Sampras uses Dunlop with a Babolat PJ. (There. Someone on the internet said it, so it must be true.)

I use Tour 90 series and the KPS88. My "deficiencies" aren't that terrible.

Hate to break it to you, but I'm not the one "making an issue" of it. You are. What's really funny is that you can't tell who's making the issue. You brought up the issue. You brought up Robin. You brought everything up. Can't be more clear who's "making the issue". I'm trying to end it by dismissing the topic. So please, give it a rest.

pshulam
06-13-2011, 07:57 PM
but you can pick up a 200G for as low as $21
Not likely for a one in 8/10 condition. You really have to shop around.

vsbabolat
06-13-2011, 07:59 PM
I know for a fact Sampras uses Dunlop with a Babolat PJ. (There. Someone on the internet said it, so it must be true.)

I use Tour 90 series and the KPS88. My "deficiencies" aren't that terrible.

You don't even know who Robin Haase is and yet you are making an issue of it. What does that say about you? He is not a big name player. Yes, Sampras is using a Babolat Pure Storm Tour Gt blacked out now incase you are wondering.:)

UCSF2012
06-13-2011, 08:00 PM
I have a hunch there'll be a revival of the PS85, but I'd rather see the PC600 come back, because I've never used one. Any one know whether the grip is ultra rectangular? I'd buy some if it were more square.

UCSF2012
06-13-2011, 08:01 PM
You don't even know who Robin Haase is and yet you are making an issue of it. What does that say about you? He is not a big name player. Yes, Sampras is using a Babolat Pure Storm Tour Gt blacked out now incase you are wondering.:)

Hate to break it to you, but I'm not the one "making an issue" of it. You are. What's really funny is that you can't tell who's making the issue. You brought up the issue. You brought up Robin. You brought everything up. Can't be more clear who's "making the issue". I'm trying to end it by dismissing the topic. So please, give it a rest.

I know what people are SAYING about Sampras' rackets. I hear the same stories.

vsbabolat
06-13-2011, 08:11 PM
Hate to break it to you, but I'm not the one "making an issue" of it. You are. What's really funny is that you can't tell who's making the issue. You brought up the issue. You brought up Robin. You brought everything up. Can't be more clear who's "making the issue". I'm trying to end it by dismissing the topic. So please, give it a rest.

I know what people are SAYING about Sampras' rackets. I hear the same stories.

Good thing you're dismissing it. You don't know what you are talking about.
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/Sampras_Babolat_Pure_Storm.jpg

tnsanydy
06-13-2011, 08:12 PM
Common fellas, who really cares what racket one uses or the pros for that matter- obviously there's money to be made out there for them (wether it's Wilson, Head, Dunlop, etc) that's why it has been decided to resurrect whichever classic they'll reveal this friday! Smart *** posters that say there's not enough market for it is full of it and don't know what they're talking about! Somebody just posted here that he'll buy one just for the sake of owning one- we'll guess what, you're part of that market study! :)

The Djoker
06-13-2011, 08:21 PM
I think it will be the PS85. Only real, marketable options imo are the PS85 and PC600. Head always has a Prestige mid model out, but the closest thing Wilson has to the PS85 are the new tour90's. I just think it makes more sense for Wilson since they don't currently have as comparable a racquet out.

6-2/6-4/6-0
06-13-2011, 08:42 PM
Do you really think Dunlop would invest millions of dollars to re-create all the injection molding manufacturing equipment from scratch just to produce a limited production frame based on 30 year old technology with limited appeal in today's game? What is the current market for an ultra-low powered, super flexy, 13.2 oz. racquet with a tiny 83 sq. in. head? I don't think Dunlop's owners are in business to lose money.

And please don't get me wrong. I would love for Dunlop to bring back the Max 200G. I absolutely loved that racquet and used it exclusively for 13 years. But as a business person, it doesn't make any financial sense.

My opinion on this matter is based somewhat on self-interest. I use the old Dunlop IMF racquets and even though I've triend to like other ones as much for decades, there is just no substitute. As for whether or not there is a place in the 'modern game' for them, well, their market probably isn't for people with 'modern games' - I mean, who really wants to hit a forehand that makes it look like they're having an epileptic fit...

Beyond that, the equipment and technology to build the racquets is not nearly as expensive as people are suggesting. Millions? Are you kidding? What would be needed is a standard injection molding press (not sure how big of a press you'd need, but a 3000 ton press [about half way between the largest and smallest presses] gets you about a 700 oz shot you can put plenty of cavities in the mold to make 13.2 oz racquets to keep cost down), a mixture of the same material that was used before, and the same alloy core (as well as a mold to produce the cores, which would probably be made by injection molding as well...).

The other thing about injection molding a reinforced thermoplastic is that the amount of 'skilled hands-on' production time is almost nil. You need people to check the press to make sure that it is running at an appropriate cycle, you need people to QC things (which you would need anyway), and the new presses are computer controlled to such a fantastic extent that the per-part cost of injection molding a racquet frame is far less than hand-laying-up a frame.

But labor is only one cost savings. You also have a dramatically shorter molding cycle. The beauty of injection molded materials is that they set as they cool. This means that if you are able to speed the cooling - as is often done with injection molding via water lines - then you can shorten the cure time and pop out a batch of rackets every couple minutes. While a modern carbon layup mold costs much less to make than an injection mold, you need to make enough of those modern molds so that the racquet can be layed-up by hand and/or machine and then run through a cure cycle which requires heating the mold to a few hundred degrees for a couple hours, and then cooling it. This means that your production cycle is much slower as well as requiring more skilled labor.

Yes, there are more upfront costs with doing the injection-molded frame, but they are nowhere close to $1 million unless you are buying a huge IM press, and the cost-per-part of production certainly offsets those costs quickly if you are able to sell a fair number of parts.

I'd buy a small batch of them if Dunlop did it... Both the 200g and 300i, which would only require changing the resin in the barrel of the press to make rather than changing a complex layup...

UCSF2012
06-13-2011, 08:50 PM
Good thing you're dismissing it. You don't know what you are talking about.

You're in high school, aren't you? You've missed every hint of sarcasm, even when I've put it in parentheses to make it beyond obvious!!! Only a child could have such poor reading skills. The barrier here is reading comprehension.

UCSF2012
06-13-2011, 09:02 PM
Seriously, as any other company other than Wilson ever revived an old racket? Prince has always had the Graphite out. I havn't seen Head bring out any classic. I'd be blown away if it's not the PS85.

Agent Orynge
06-13-2011, 09:06 PM
You're in high school, aren't you? You've missed every hint of sarcasm, even when I've put it in parentheses to make it beyond obvious!!! Only a child could have such poor reading skills. The barrier here is reading comprehension.

The barrier here is you making an *** of yourself. I consider myself a pretty accomplished reader (and a halfway decent writer), and I certainly wasn't picking up on your 'sarcasm.'

Everything we accept as fact in our lives is simply an observation that someone else has made. Whether or not we believe that person depends on how much credibility we lend them. vsbabolat is an accomplished and respected board member, and you are not. I will take his say-so on what particular pros play with over yours any day of the week.

vsbabolat
06-13-2011, 09:10 PM
You're in high school, aren't you? You've missed every hint of sarcasm, even when I've put it in parentheses to make it beyond obvious!!! Only a child could have such poor reading skills. The barrier here is reading comprehension.

Are you still "dismissing it"? For the rest of your insulting post. No, I am not in high school. The barrier here is your arrogance.

jayserinos99
06-13-2011, 10:14 PM
I am in agreement also.

Wait, wasn't the 6.6 95 20mm 18x20?

AlpineAce
06-13-2011, 10:18 PM
Id love to see the Prestige in the Silver with green CAP!

Fed Kennedy
06-13-2011, 10:20 PM
Is Pete goating xl or standard pstgt?

BreakPoint
06-13-2011, 10:48 PM
Some people say Fed uses the KPS88, while some others say he uses the original Tour 90. (People make crap up.)
You only have to look at this pic carefully to know why that's impossible:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RYEPYfCPX8c/SUdTNiVgcXI/AAAAAAAAB2o/ZoWS0a-zZK8/s400/rfps.jpg

UCSF2012
06-13-2011, 11:03 PM
I will take his say-so on what particular pros play with over yours any day of the week.

I certainly would hope so. When I said Sampras played with a Dunlop with a Babolat PJ, I wasn't being serious. If you didn't pick up that sarcasm, then no one here can help you, Mr Accomplished Reader. From VSBab's link to an image of Sampras playing a Bab, it's more than obvious he thought I was being serious. You two are hopeless.

You only have to look at this pic carefully to know why that's impossible:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RYEPYfCPX8c/SUdTNiVgcXI/AAAAAAAAB2o/ZoWS0a-zZK8/s400/rfps.jpg

I'm not making the claim that Fed uses a KPS88. I'm stating that people here make up "facts," and sometimes other people believe it.

I know the difference btwn the 2 rackets. I own both. On the KPS, the shaft's a bit bulbous where it meets the grip. The PWS is also more protrusive/bulky towards the interior.

Nextman916
06-13-2011, 11:11 PM
Actually I retract my vote, I'd rather see Yonex revive the Super RD-Tour 95.

BreakPoint
06-13-2011, 11:13 PM
I'm not making the claim that Fed uses a KPS88. I'm stating that people here make up "facts," and sometimes other people believe it.

I know the difference btwn the 2 rackets. I own both. On the KPS, the shaft's a bit bulbous where it meets the grip. The PWS is also more protrusive/bulky towards the interior.
No, that's not the obvious reason. Take out your Tour 90 and your KPS88 and take a close look at the throats. That's why even from a distance, we know Federer is not using a KPS88.

UCSF2012
06-13-2011, 11:16 PM
No, that's not the obvious reason. Take out your Tour 90 and your KPS88 and take a close look at the throats. That's why even from a distance, we know Federer is not using a KPS88.

I heard that claim too, and I said that originally in my post, but I edited it out. I'm looking at the two rackets now, and the throat's nearly identical.

http://i54.tinypic.com/241mnpc.jpg

Here, all 3 rackets are lined up.

http://i52.tinypic.com/kf2l90.jpg

Now you see the PWS design is different.

BreakPoint
06-13-2011, 11:26 PM
I heard that claim too, and I said that originally in my post, but I edited it out. I'm looking at the two rackets now, and the throat's nearly identical.
Oh, come on. To anyone that has used a PS 6.0 85/95, we can spot the difference with a Tour 90 (any of them) throat from a mile away. The KPS88 has the same throat as the PS 6.0 85/95. That's why it has Pete Sampras's signature on it. :)

Hint: Look at the corners at the top of the "V" of the throat. On the ProStaffs, they are flat and semi-circle in shape. On the Tour 90s, they are cut out into the mold and form sharp acute angles. Proof that they are completely different molds.

UCSF2012
06-13-2011, 11:36 PM
Oh, come on. To anyone that has used a PS 6.0 85/95, we can spot the difference with a Tour 90 (any of them) throat from a mile away. The KPS88 has the same throat as the PS 6.0 85/95. That's why it has Pete Sampras's signature on it. :)

Hint: Look at the corners at the top of the "V" of the throat. On the ProStaffs, they are flat and semi-circle in shape. On the Tour 90s, they are cut out into the mold and form sharp acute angles. Proof that they are completely different molds.

Okay, nm. I didn't know what the throat was. I see it now. That blend of the shaft to the circular area.

Agent Orynge
06-13-2011, 11:36 PM
Oh, come on. To anyone that has used a PS 6.0 85/95, we can spot the difference with a Tour 90 (any of them) throat from a mile away. The KPS88 has the same throat as the PS 6.0 85/95. That's why it has Pete Sampras's signature on it. :)

Hint: Look at the corners at the top of the "V" of the throat. On the ProStaffs, they are flat and semi-circle in shape. On the Tour 90s, they are cut out into the mold and form sharp acute angles. Proof that they are completely different molds.

Pwnt.

Sometimes people do make up 'facts,' like that the KPS 88 and Tour 90 have identical throats. It's a good thing there are intelligent posters here who can set those ignorant types straight.

UCSF2012
06-13-2011, 11:42 PM
Pwnt.

10char

Yea, you're right. Pwn'd. I should probably hide in a hole for my error.

For your reading comprehension's sake, I'm going to point out that's sarcasm. Hint, hint, hint!!! I will not physically be in a hole. I'm not being serious! I'm not being literal!

Agent Orynge
06-13-2011, 11:48 PM
No need to hide, but a little humility would go a long way.

BreakPoint
06-13-2011, 11:51 PM
Here's a pic of Gilles Muller using a PS 6.0 95 with a nCode paintjob. We know he's using a PS 6.0 95 underneath the paintjob just by looking at the throat.

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/53562391.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939847EC77F5F8D1CE235B95B72CD323D6

UCSF2012
06-13-2011, 11:51 PM
Pwnt.

Sometimes people do make up 'facts,' like that the KPS 88 and Tour 90 have identical throats. It's a good thing there are intelligent posters here who can set those ignorant types straight.

Not even close. No soup for you. Read the posts and you'll see we were teaching each other how to spot differences in the two rackets. I didn't know what the "throat" was, and he told me where to look. I also taught him how to spot the differences in the PWS system. This was an educational discussion. Better luck next time, Mr. Astute Reader.

Agent Orynge
06-13-2011, 11:57 PM
Is that what you believe it was? From here it looked like someone who thought they knew something about tennis equipment got schooled. Someone else might even have believed you, if you hadn't opened your big mouth and shown everyone just how ignorant you really are. Honestly, how can someone who doesn't even know what the throat is claim to be teaching someone else?

Keep up the patronizing attitude and the lame insults. They're doing wonders for your growing reputation.

Agent Orynge
06-14-2011, 12:01 AM
If I remember correctly, TW stopped getting shipments of both the PS 6.0 85 and the PS 6.0 95 at the same time. It was a shock to both TW and all of its customers. TW had a private deal for Wilson to make both the 85 and the 95 for as long as TW wanted them and could sell them. Wilson threw everyone for a loop by suddenly deciding to stop production of both and canceling all private production deals. I was counting on TW having access to PS 6.0 95's for whenever I needed them but that didn't work out. :(

That's not how I remember it, but it's possible I may be mistaken. From what I recall, the 6.0 95 up and vanished one day, but the 85 was still available for quite some time afterwards. Maybe it just took a while to exhaust the 85 stock.

Keifers
06-14-2011, 12:14 AM
Wait, wasn't the 6.6 95 20mm 18x20?
Yes, that's right. The stars and stripes PS 95, also 80 graphite/20 kevlar.

Interestingly, I've found it's upper hoop is not nearly as soft as the 6.0 95's.

Agent Orynge
06-14-2011, 12:24 AM
There are some common elements shared by my detractors, and none of them are flattering. I suspect I'll still be around long after those types get banned.

On a lighter note, it looks like the Volkl is going to remain dead last. Would I be the only one to find it amusing if that is the racquet TW brings back?

stingstang
06-14-2011, 01:10 AM
Voted PS85 but the old beasts are too demanding for me to competitively play with. I would kill for A 6.1 Classic relaunch!!

Max 200g is probably impossible to produce now

zumzool
06-14-2011, 03:14 AM
TW - any chance we could get a hint or an elimination round on Wednesday?

Shangri La
06-14-2011, 05:19 AM
TW - any chance we could get a hint or an elimination round on Wednesday?

lol.... then SF on Thursday and final on Friday. But, what if it rains on Friday? :)

Don't Let It Bounce
06-14-2011, 06:54 AM
One of these racquets will be back this year! ... Pick which one you'd want most. You can pick more than one. Discuss!I've seen too many movies and Twilight Zones in which someone's beloved returns from the grave to have any hope that disaster can be avoided here.

dParis
06-14-2011, 07:03 AM
On a lighter note, it looks like the Volkl is going to remain dead last. Would I be the only one to find it amusing if that is the racquet TW brings back?
Are you kidding? I might declare it a holiday in the People's Republic of dParis.

stingstang
06-14-2011, 07:10 AM
PS85, 200G, Prestige are famous GOATs but only a racket nerd would have heard of the Volkl so it could be!

tlimster
06-14-2011, 08:15 AM
I agree that the PS85 is the most likely return candidate. I've hit with 3 of the rackets briefly (the PS85 and PC 600 a couple years back, and the 200G about 15 years ago). The PC600 is the only one that I could see using in a real match play situation. For some reason I find it to be way more user friendly than the PS85. Between the PS85 and the newer Tour 90 incarnations, I prefer the 90 head size. The PC600 sweet spot seemed pretty large, more like the PB10mid, AG100, Diablo Mid and KBT, which all are pretty forgiving considering their size.

So I hope it's the PC600.

Alzer
06-14-2011, 08:36 AM
wish the pro staff classic 6.1 was on that list... plumped for the Yonex though.

Just cant see why why PS 85 would come back... its not like a pro is going to be using\promoting it any time soon. those days are gone :(

vsbabolat
06-14-2011, 08:49 AM
I agree that the PS85 is the most likely return candidate. I've hit with 3 of the rackets briefly (the PS85 and PC 600 a couple years back, and the 200G about 15 years ago). The PC600 is the only one that I could see using in a real match play situation. For some reason I find it to be way more user friendly than the PS85. Between the PS85 and the newer Tour 90 incarnations, I prefer the 90 head size. The PC600 sweet spot seemed pretty large, more like the PB10mid, AG100, Diablo Mid and KBT, which all are pretty forgiving considering their size.

So I hope it's the PC600.

Great post! You know your racquets.

coachrick
06-14-2011, 09:09 AM
What we CAN be sure of ;)... is that re-issuing bumpers and grommet strips for the most 'desired' couple-dozen classic rackets would get many folks more excited than some re-hash of an old racket model. Just sayin' :) .

No demo worries, no grip size problems, no excessive freight costs...just copy the bumpers and strips from a select number of sticks and sell them for $10 ea. So there!

klementine79
06-14-2011, 09:42 AM
This,indeed, is very exciting news....

Just based on each company's current line-up... I gotta go with the Yonex super RD-95... they have just re-released the Ultimum Ti... and have a limited range.

tnsanydy
06-14-2011, 10:24 AM
What we CAN be sure of ;)... is that re-issuing bumpers and grommet strips for the most 'desired' couple-dozen classic rackets would get many folks more excited than some re-hash of an old racket model. Just sayin' :) .

No demo worries, no grip size problems, no excessive freight costs...just copy the bumpers and strips from a select number of sticks and sell them for $10 ea. So there!

There you go! I would need to replace the bumpers/grommet strips on my 2 PSC 6.1 95 16x18 and 2 of my 18x20s- this last two is a long shot!:(

Agent Orynge
06-14-2011, 10:31 AM
Are you kidding? I might declare it a holiday in the People's Republic of dParis.

Would that be a paid holiday?

tnsanydy
06-14-2011, 10:48 AM
wish the pro staff classic 6.1 was on that list... plumped for the Yonex though.

Just cant see why why PS 85 would come back... its not like a pro is going to be using\promoting it any time soon. those days are gone :(

Forget about the pros! It's about us getting a taste of "what it's like" to play and own this legendary stick! Does it really matter if I'm gonna like? Nope, I'll probably be dissappointed and so is a lot of potential buyers but at least they can finally relate to it. Seriously speaking, the PS85 is nothing to be scared about, if anything, it'll motivate you to work on your stroke mechanics because weilding this sticks does then your transition should be piece of cake. Ps85 actually have a better swing weight at 329 which kind of compensate for it's static weight of 12.6 .oz. I actually didn't need to adjust that much from my PSC to Fed's and can switch back and forth in a match situation. :)

Buckethead
06-14-2011, 10:58 AM
WOW, this thread is exploding right now in conflicts.

Ronaldo
06-14-2011, 11:03 AM
There you go! I would need to replace the bumpers/grommet strips on my 2 PSC 6.1 95 16x18 and 2 of my 18x20s- this last two is a long shot!:(

Wilson sent bumpers/grommets for my PS 4.2 95 and HPS 6.1 Tour no problem. Long Shot?

pudelko
06-14-2011, 11:17 AM
There you go! I would need to replace the bumpers/grommet strips on my 2 PSC 6.1 95 16x18 and 2 of my 18x20s- this last two is a long shot!:(

Grommets for Ncode and Kfactor 16x18 Prostaff 6.1 fit on the PSC 6.1.

On topic: The pole is currently tied between the PS85 and PC600 at 105 votes a piece. I have both and would much prefer the PS85. The PC600 was just too light for me (mine weighs 328g).

Automatix
06-14-2011, 11:31 AM
Well let's face it... bringing back the good ol' Max 200G would be just too damn expensive. :(

Old Head Prestige frames were resurrected once in a while so it can be either PC600 or PS85 since Wilson failed with the [K]PS88 and probably want to squeeze some $$$ out of the old frames.

klementine79
06-14-2011, 11:50 AM
This is good.... not bad.... (sorry drinking wine).....

Tw... when we will find out whats going on......?????

tnsanydy
06-14-2011, 12:37 PM
Grommets for Ncode and Kfactor 16x18 Prostaff 6.1 fit on the PSC 6.1.

On topic: The pole is currently tied between the PS85 and PC600 at 105 votes a piece. I have both and would much prefer the PS85. The PC600 was just too light for me (mine weighs 328g).

Thanks so much for the tip! It never occured to me to even ask TW about it. Awesome!:)

jayserinos99
06-14-2011, 03:09 PM
The PC600 was just too light for me (mine weighs 328g).

That can't be right. Does your PC600 still have the original leather grip? Is that a strung or unstrung weight?

pudelko
06-14-2011, 07:42 PM
That can't be right. Does your PC600 still have the original leather grip? Is that a strung or unstrung weight?

I just weighed it again: 329.4g strung

Its the "Head Classic Mid" which I believe is the renamed version of the PC600?

It doesnt have a leather grip. Its a Wilson cushion pro replacement grip with no overgrip.

tnsanydy
06-14-2011, 08:22 PM
I know this is exciting news for us all and we just can't contain ourselves which classic will be unvailed this friday- shame on TW for letting us wait this long! So just for the heck of it and to thank them in large part for bringing back old memories- I don't care which one it is I'll buy 1! If it's PS85, I'll buy 2- if it's based on the old brew, then 4!:)

jayserinos99
06-14-2011, 10:08 PM
I just weighed it again: 329.4g strung

Its the "Head Classic Mid" which I believe is the renamed version of the PC600?

It doesnt have a leather grip. Its a Wilson cushion pro replacement grip with no overgrip.

Yes, the Classic Mid is the PC600. If you add another 10g for the leather grip, it should be around 340g and even then that's pretty light. Does your frame have the full CAP grommets?

VSBabolat, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the Classic Mids around the 350g range strung?

MarrratSafin
06-14-2011, 10:50 PM
Yes, the Classic Mid is the PC600. If you add another 10g for the leather grip, it should be around 340g and even then that's pretty light. Does your frame have the full CAP grommets?

VSBabolat, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the Classic Mids around the 350g range strung?

His Classic Mid may have the newer Microgel/Youtek CAPS, which are 7g lighter than the dark brown TK52 CAPS. Actually, I found the Classic Mid to be the lightest of the bunch too. Mine is close to 350g strung but that's with both leather and overgrip included.

I once did a comparison of all the older Prestige Mid bare frames (pallets and buttcap included, no grips).. turned out that the silver/green Prestige 600 is actually the heaviest hairpin (5g more than even the original Prestige Pro), but turned out lighter stock due to the regular green grommets instead of CAPS and green synthetic grip instead of CAPS. I have all the measurements written up somewhere! Later Prestige Classics are already 10g lighter than the first version (a.k.a. trek font) Prestige Classic, but Classic Mid is still the lightest, bare frame at about 305g IIRC. Would like to hear VSB's opinion on this too, my guess is because it doesn't have the collar but that won't be much isn't it?:)

AlpineAce
06-14-2011, 11:30 PM
His Classic Mid may have the newer Microgel/Youtek CAPS, which are 7g lighter than the dark brown TK52 CAPS. Actually, I found the Classic Mid to be the lightest of the bunch too. Mine is close to 350g strung but that's with both leather and overgrip included.

I once did a comparison of all the older Prestige Mid bare frames (pallets and buttcap included, no grips).. turned out that the silver/green Prestige 600 is actually the heaviest hairpin (5g more than even the original Prestige Pro), but turned out lighter stock due to the regular green grommets instead of CAPS and green synthetic grip instead of CAPS. I have all the measurements written up somewhere! Later Prestige Classics are already 10g lighter than the first version (a.k.a. trek font) Prestige Classic, but Classic Mid is still the lightest, bare frame at about 305g IIRC. Would like to hear VSB's opinion on this too, my guess is because it doesn't have the collar but that won't be much isn't it?:)

I have a prestige 600, with Full Green Cap, Best prestige ever!, and best looking!

PimpMyGame
06-15-2011, 02:05 AM
If it's the PS85, who's to say that the new version will actually be 85 sq in? After all, the KPS88 is 90 so numbers on special editions seem to have no relevance to the actual specs.

I'd guess at a new PS85 which actually has a 90 sq in head size.

Automatix
06-15-2011, 02:08 AM
But that would mean that there would be 2 90sq.inch. headsize frames in the Wilson line up. It would not make much sense.

PimpMyGame
06-15-2011, 02:13 AM
But that would mean that there would be 2 90sq.inch. headsize frames in the Wilson line up. It would not make much sense.

It seemed to make sense when the KPS88 was introduced. And thinking about it further, I think this might be a real option for Wilson because a 90 sq in "PS85" could use the KPS88 mould, either modified slightly or as-is with the old black pj with red and yellow decals.

1970CRBase
06-15-2011, 02:16 AM
None of the above poll options.

I'd most want Wilson to bring out the Stefan Edberg PS 6.1 85 and the Steffi Graf PS 7.0 85, that were never released to the general public.

:mrgreen:

Automatix
06-15-2011, 02:25 AM
It seemed to make sense when the KPS88 was introduced. But the KPS88 was a flop.

And thinking about it further, I think this might be a real option for Wilson because a 90 sq in "PS85" could use the KPS88 mould, either modified slightly or as-is with the old black pj with red and yellow decals. Sorry but I just don't see it.

stevewcosta
06-15-2011, 03:54 AM
But the KPS88 was a flop.

Sorry but I just don't see it.

PS 6.0 90 would be the best move by Wilson, provided they don't mess with the composition. Agree with you that the 88 was a flop. Not a good racquet for me and very tough to play with unlike the 85.

Automatix
06-15-2011, 04:32 AM
PS 6.0 90 would be the best move by Wilson, provided they don't mess with the composition. Agree with you that the 88 was a flop. Not a good racquet for me and very tough to play with unlike the 85. I agree 100%.

Kaz00
06-15-2011, 04:36 AM
We only have 2 more days until the announcement!

pudelko
06-15-2011, 05:38 AM
Yes, the Classic Mid is the PC600. If you add another 10g for the leather grip, it should be around 340g and even then that's pretty light. Does your frame have the full CAP grommets?

VSBabolat, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the Classic Mids around the 350g range strung?

It has full CAP grommets that are brown. I actually bought a spare set of black ones since the brown ones are starting to wear through and exposing graphite.

I plan to put them on whenever the strings break (which might take a while since I rarely use this racquet). Good to know that they weigh different amounts.

Could it be possible that mine is some pro stock version since it so light? where these available in pro stock form? and if so how would I check? Or is it just a light example of this racquet?

Also, should I start a separate topic for this discussion, with some pictures?

dParis
06-15-2011, 07:20 AM
Would that be a paid holiday?
It would be a play holiday. :)
But the KPS88 was a flop.
Was it really? I thought it was introduced as a limited run - though I'm sure they would have kept up if demand was super strong. There was an incredible amount of excitement about this racquet and it seemed like many here love it. I don't know what the expectations were, but, as throwback racquets go, I thought it was at least a moderate success. I'm not disagreeing with those that say it was a flop because I really don't know - I'm just a little surprised to see it characterized as such.

Automatix
06-15-2011, 07:29 AM
Was it really? I thought it was introduced as a limited run - though I'm sure they would have kept up if demand was super strong. There was an incredible amount of excitement about this racquet and it seemed like many here love it. I don't know what the expectations were, but, as throwback racquets go, I thought it was at least a moderate success. I'm not disagreeing with those that say it was a flop because I really don't know - I'm just a little surprised to see it characterized as such. Everything involving Sampras brings interest. But the frame wasn't what PS85 fans expected. It was totally messed up. The frame got trashed in my country and many after trying it would change to the [K]6.1 Tour or even MG/YT Prestige Mids although the Prestige frames are totally different types of frames (different feel, softer etc.).

You also have to take into account the fact that whenever the phrase "Pro Staff" is used, people get overly excited. Emotions take control.

vsbabolat
06-15-2011, 08:26 AM
Yes, the Classic Mid is the PC600. If you add another 10g for the leather grip, it should be around 340g and even then that's pretty light. Does your frame have the full CAP grommets?

VSBabolat, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the Classic Mids around the 350g range strung?

Yes, about 12.2oz/346g. Looks like pudelko got a light one or his scale is off.:)

vsbabolat
06-15-2011, 08:27 AM
As of right now the Prestige Classic has pulled into a slim lead.:shock:

jayserinos99
06-15-2011, 08:34 AM
None of the above poll options.

I'd most want Wilson to bring out the Stefan Edberg PS 6.1 85 and the Steffi Graf PS 7.0 85, that were never released to the general public.

:mrgreen:

Touche.

TW, please get on this!

jayserinos99
06-15-2011, 08:36 AM
It has full CAP grommets that are brown. I actually bought a spare set of black ones since the brown ones are starting to wear through and exposing graphite.

I plan to put them on whenever the strings break (which might take a while since I rarely use this racquet). Good to know that they weigh different amounts.

Could it be possible that mine is some pro stock version since it so light? where these available in pro stock form? and if so how would I check? Or is it just a light example of this racquet?

Also, should I start a separate topic for this discussion, with some pictures?

If you want, please start up a separate discussion with pictures. Thanks.

max
06-15-2011, 08:43 AM
As of right now the Prestige Classic has pulled into a slim lead.:shock:

I've spent time with each of the frames in the poll, excepting the Volkl and the Prestige Classic.

My guess is that it's the Prestige that TW will reintroduce. If I were an ultimate frameaholic, I'd pop for one, just to try it out.