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illkhiboy
06-12-2011, 05:05 AM
Nadal has virtually been unbeatable in Grand Slams since 2007.

2007
Australian - Was injured against Gonzalez

Q. Fernando was in awesome form out there. What was it like on the other side of the court? Could you do much against him?
RAFAEL NADAL: Well, he's playing very good level, that's for sure. Maybe was not a good match for me. I don't know if I can say I am playing bad, but for sure I can't play at hundred percent, no?
I have problems in my leg, so I cannot run. I can't run a lot. Was difficult play one match like this, quarterfinals of one Grand Slam, with pain, without the best conditions, no?


Roland Garros - Won
Wimbledon - Injured in 4th set against Federer

Q. What about the knee, and the injury?
RAFAEL NADAL: Well, was not the best moment, no, because I was playing fine in the fourth for a while and I have to call to the trainer. But doesn't matter, no? Just right now is better, so doesn't matter. Don't worry about the knee. Thank you, but was fine.


US Open - Injured against Ferrer

Q. How frustrated and disappointed are you to go out this early in a slam?
RAFAEL NADAL: Well, sure, this is disappointing for me. But that's the tennis, that's the sport. I am having a very good season. I arrive here playing well. Disappointing for me I can't play the last days a hundred percent the tournament for the problem of the knees. And maybe that affect a little bit my physical performance.

2008
Australian - Legit Victory for Tsonga.
Roland Garros - Won
Wimbledon - Won
US Open - Not Injured, but really tired

Q. When you say that you didn't feel that fresh, it's normal, you're a human being. But how did you see? Do you think you're a little slower, or do you think you are not so mentally focused all the time? For instance, when you missed that volley you were 3-2 and 40-30 and then 40-All and you missed an easy drop volley when he was very far away on the fourth set.
RAFAEL NADAL: That's part of the game, no? He play better than me and he beat me. If you saw the match yesterday when I have to split and run, much slower than usual, no? That's the true.
Well, it was more difficult be all the time concentrate, no? That's it.


2009
Australian - Won
Roland Garros - Injured against Soderling
Wimbledon - DNP
US Open - Slightly Injured against Del Potro

Q. To what degree did your stomach injury affect you today and in this tournament?
RAFAEL NADAL: I going to repeat: He played much better than me, and for that reason he beat me. Later, it sounds like an excuse, no?
....
Yeah, was tough to play few matches like this. But at the same time, was important for maybe play this tournament, try my best. It's one of the most important tournaments of the year, and I had to try, no?
I did a good result, very positive result for me after coming back. Semifinals. Today he played better than me. He beat me, and right now I just try to recover. Is not very important injury, so that's really important for me, too.


2010
Australian - Injured against Murray

Retired

Roland Garros - Won
Wimbledon - Won
US Open - Won

2011
Australian - Injured against Ferrer

Q. What can you tell us about the injury? What did David say to you at the end of the match?
RAFAEL NADAL: I can say nothing about the injury. Seriously, I would prefer don't talk a lot about the injury.
Tonight, first of all, I don't know nothing. Second thing, for respect to the winner and to a friend, I prefer to talk about the match. I think he played at a very high level. I just congratulate him and wish him all the best for the semifinal. I think he's doing a fantastic tournament. If he keep playing like this, he going to have a good chances.
What David told me at the net is for me and that's it.

Roland Garros - Won

In 17 Slams since 2007, he's won 8, been injured in 7, and lost fair and square in two.

Conclusion: I report, you decide

PSNELKE
06-12-2011, 05:06 AM
Injured in 7 :lol:

Excuses over excuses dear fanboy.

Bartelby
06-12-2011, 05:07 AM
Since 2010 maybe but otherwise your report does not support your finding in the title.

Bartelby
06-12-2011, 05:10 AM
The other thing is that you can't assume an injury as some sort of way of stating he would otherwise be unbeatable. A loss is a loss. That's the way it works. And a win is a win, no matter what the luck and circumstance.

Legend of Borg
06-12-2011, 05:14 AM
I liked the part where he was injured or tired.

It really emphasizes Rafa's fighting spirit and "never say die" attitude.

Sentinel
06-12-2011, 05:16 AM
Very objective original post. It's clearly impossible to beat Rafa when he's fit. Only a fool would think otherwise.

btw, please desist from using a Pink Floyd album as your avatar. Pink Floyd feels virtually insulted since Jan 2006.

Li Ching Yuen
06-12-2011, 05:19 AM
Tennis should be suspended if Nadal is injured.

There, problem solved.

jones101
06-12-2011, 05:23 AM
Rafa has never lost a match healthy - FACT, no?

illkhiboy
06-12-2011, 05:25 AM
Very objective original post. It's clearly impossible to beat Rafa when he's fit. Only a fool would think otherwise.

btw, please desist from using a Pink Floyd album as your avatar. Pink Floyd feels virtually insulted since Jan 2006.

Hahahaha hey since you pointed that out, let me come clean - this is just me doing my best impersonation of a Rafa-****. :D

zagor
06-12-2011, 05:25 AM
Very objective original post. It's clearly impossible to beat Rafa when he's fit. Only a fool would think otherwise.

btw, please desist from using a Pink Floyd album as your avatar. Pink Floyd feels virtually insulted since Jan 2006.

LOL,"Dark side of the moon" right? Anyway I think the OP is just being sarcastic,I seem to vaguely remember him being a Fed fan.

zagor
06-12-2011, 05:28 AM
Hahahaha hey since you pointed that out, let me come clean - this is just me doing my best impersonation of a Rafa-****. :D

You left out the best part after losing to Gonzo in 2007:

Q. What part of your leg is the pain in?
RAFAEL NADAL: Well, it's not just the one place. I have pain here, in my famous *** (smiling). After I feel a little bit here, too (pointing to the inside and outside of the thigh). That maybe it's just tired, no? But down this way and in the *** is very, very painful, no?


LOL,Nadal's a legend,to say that to media.

Anyway,he does have some troubles with injuries and as the best or 2nd best player in this era he's constantly being asked a lot of questions about his performances on court.

mandy01
06-12-2011, 05:32 AM
LOL,Nadal's a legend,to say that to media.Hey,I do remember Roger saying saying he felt 'pain in his buttocks' after Rome due to 2-hour serving practice sessions or something.:cool: :evil:

Seriously though,that answer really was priceless.:lol: I burst out laughing when I saw the video especially :lol:

Sentinel
06-12-2011, 05:34 AM
Hahahaha hey since you pointed that out, let me come clean - :D
My apologies bro, shame on me for not picking it up. I actually saw the title, and came into the thread fuming with what I had to type, before even reading the OP. I saw the second and 3rd post and my mind was prejudiced.

Currently, we have both Ralf and Noel declared "unbeatable" by different poasters, lol, using different criteria.

zagor
06-12-2011, 05:37 AM
Hey,I do remember Roger saying saying he felt 'pain in his buttocks' after Rome due to 2-hour serving practice sessions or something.:cool: :evil:

Seriously though,that answer really was priceless.:lol: I burst out laughing when I saw the video especially :lol:

LOL! Didn't Fed also recently say his groin needs rest or something?

Yeah,I was also laughing hard when I heard Nadal say that back in 2007.

Messarger
06-12-2011, 06:00 AM
Yup. The only guy to beat him when he was at 100% was Tsonga, and Djokovic this year.

TheNatural
06-12-2011, 07:56 AM
The only SLAM loss since 2007 in which Nadal has lost in and not been injured was the 2008 A0 and The 2008 US Open, but he was running on fumes at the USO as he had sacrificed the US Open for the Gold medal.

Out of all those Injuries in SLAMS, the beneficiaries were:

2007 AO= Fred
2007 WIm= Fred
2007 USO= Fred
2008 USO = Fred
2009 FO = Fred
2009 Wim = Fred
2009 USo = Delpo
2010 AO= Fred
2011 AO= Djoker.

Fred benefited +7 slams
Delpo benefitted + 1 slam
Djoker benefitted +1 slam

Some of the injuries probably come down to health management, but some are just freak acute injuries that can happen in sport, just very unlucky!Nadal would have won at least some of those slams for sure. I don't think anyone will dispute that unless they have rocks in their head.

Conclusion: Nadal's injuries have inflated Fred's slam count and deflated Nadals' and this made Fred overated relative to Nadal and Nadal appear underated relative to Fred as their current slam tallies(16-10) does not reflect their true talent relative to eachother. Nadal's 09 injury woes really did save Fred's career - he got lucky no one will deny that.

TheNatural
06-12-2011, 08:02 AM
The othe conclusion, is that Nadal has been injuried during a large part of his prime, and also it's not that he wasn't good enough to reach Hard court slam finals earlier, it's just that he was not uninjured enough to reach more hard court SLAM finals earlier.

NamRanger
06-12-2011, 08:03 AM
The only SLAM loss since 2007 in which Nadal has lost in and not been injured was the 2008 A0 and The 2008 US Open, but he was running on fumes at the USO as he had sacrificed the US Open for the Gold medal.

Out of all those Injuries in SLAMS, the beneficiaries were:

2007 AO= Fred
2007 WIm= Fred
2007 USO= Fred
2008 USO = Fred
2009 FO = Fred
2009 Wim = Fred
2009 USo = Delpo
2010 AO= Fred
2011 AO= Djoker.

Fred benefited +7 slams
Delpo benefitted + 1 slam
Djoker benefitted +1 slam

Some of the injuries probably come down to health management, but some are just freak acute injuries that can happen in sport, just very unlucky!Nadal would have won at least some of those slams for sure. I don't think anyone will dispute that unless they have rocks in their head.

Conclusion: Nadal's injuries have inflated Fred's slam count and deflated Nadals' and this made Fred overated relative to Nadal and Nadal appear underated relative to Fred as their current slam tallies(16-10) does not reflect their true talent relative to eachother. Nadal's 09 injury woes really did save Fred's career - he got lucky no one will deny that.



There were only two injuries that really affected Nadal, and that was against Ferrer this year and Del Potro. The rest is just a bunch of nonsense. Ferrer beat Nadal fair and square at the USO.

FedExpress 333
06-12-2011, 08:05 AM
excuses galore.................

TheNatural
06-12-2011, 08:09 AM
Tennis should be suspended if Nadal is injured.

There, problem solved.

LOL..thats pretty funny, I have to admit. :)
Maybe they should have a longer off season and use more natural surfaces.

stringertom
06-12-2011, 08:09 AM
The anatomical references remind me of a skit by the Jerky Boys from the 90's:

Nurse (On the phone): Doctor's office...How may I help you?

JB: is this the *** doctor?

Nurse: Dr. XXX is a proctologist.

JB: I don't care what problem he has. I need to see him... My *** is KILLING me!

Nurse: Sir, please use the proper terminology!

JB : Excuse me but I'm dying here... My *** is killing me!

(click)

JB: She hung up. I can't believe she hung up on me!

FINIS

Seņor Nadal... Please use the proper terminology...your famous gluteus Maximus is sore from all the excessive, time-wasting OCD-induced buttock scratching. Doctor's Rx: change underwear more often!

above bored
06-12-2011, 08:30 AM
The only SLAM loss since 2007 in which Nadal has lost in and not been injured was the 2008 A0 and The 2008 US Open, but he was running on fumes at the USO as he had sacrificed the US Open for the Gold medal.

Out of all those Injuries in SLAMS, the beneficiaries were:

2007 AO= Fred
2007 WIm= Fred
2007 USO= Fred
2008 USO = Fred
2009 FO = Fred
2009 Wim = Fred
2009 USo = Delpo
2010 AO= Fred
2011 AO= Djoker.

Fred benefited +7 slams
Delpo benefitted + 1 slam
Djoker benefitted +1 slam

Some of the injuries probably come down to health management, but some are just freak acute injuries that can happen in sport, just very unlucky!Nadal would have won at least some of those slams for sure. I don't think anyone will dispute that unless they have rocks in their head.

Conclusion: Nadal's injuries have inflated Fred's slam count and deflated Nadals' and this made Fred overated relative to Nadal and Nadal appear underated relative to Fred as their current slam tallies(16-10) does not reflect their true talent relative to eachother. Nadal's 09 injury woes really did save Fred's career - he got lucky no one will deny that.
From this post anyone would think Nadal is the only player on tour who suffers from injuries or fatigue. All players have to deal with both. The difference is they don't keep bleating on about it.

No doubt Nadal has been the beneficiary of others injuries and fatigue, most notably Federer's throughout 2008 and early 2009 when he had to deal with fatigue and stamina problems after mono and an aggravated back injury. It can equally be argued that 2008 to early 2009 would look very different for Nadal had Federer been healthy.

Sharpshooter
06-12-2011, 08:42 AM
From this post anyone would think Nadal is the only player on tour who suffers from injuries or fatigue. All players have to deal with both. The difference is they don't keep bleating on about it.

No doubt Nadal has been the beneficiary of others injuries and fatigue, most notably Federer's throughout 2008 and early 2009 when he had to deal with fatigue and stamina problems after mono and an aggravated back injury. It can equally be argued that 2008 to early 2009 would look very different for Nadal had Federer been healthy.

Fed was fine in 2008 and early 09 what a load of crap.

He easily made the RG and WIm finals in 08, won the 08 USO in straights and then got to the AO final in very convincing fashion destroying Del Potro and Roddick. If anything, he was lucky that he had an extra day to recover/prepare for the AO final whereas Nadal had to recover from a 5 & 1/4 hour semi against Verdasco who was playing the match of his life.

But I do think some of those Nadal injury excuses were BS. The real ones were 2009 RG and WIM, the AO10 QF and AO11QF. The rest he lost fair and square.

above bored
06-12-2011, 09:27 AM
Fed was fine in 2008 and early 09 what a load of crap.

He easily made the RG and WIm finals in 08, won the 08 USO in straights and then got to the AO final in very convincing fashion destroying Del Potro and Roddick. If anything, he was lucky that he had an extra day to recover/prepare for the AO final whereas Nadal had to recover from a 5 & 1/4 hour semi against Verdasco who was playing the match of his life.

But I do think some of those Nadal injury excuses were BS. The real ones were 2009 RG and WIM, the AO10 QF and AO11QF. The rest he lost fair and square.
Federer was clearly not fine during this period, on so many levels. His problems have been well documented.

None of this should matter of course because all players will encounter difficulties in their careers, but the moment you start making allowances for one player and not for another, you lose all credibility.

bolo
06-12-2011, 11:42 AM
a forum filled with fed. fanboy crying threads. It just goes on and on and on .........

Hood_Man
06-12-2011, 12:07 PM
Hasn't Federer had back problems for years? It's been well documented that he nearly pulled out of Wimbledon in 2003 after hurting his back, and he was deemed unfit for National Service in the Swiss Army down to "Back problems."

I'd be surprised if there was anyone on tour who wasn't carrying some injury, no matter how young they are. If it's a knee problem then it's obvious to all the world because of the tape around the knees, but if it's something that can be covered up by a shirt, shorts or socks then if the player chooses to keep quiet, who's going to know?

Xizel
06-12-2011, 12:32 PM
Ever thought that in order to be unbeatable at certain tournaments, he has to push and bear through his physical limitations? Injuries happen because he does that. He's not unbeatable if he has to sacrifice his health for the next tournament to win the current one.

Manus Domini
06-12-2011, 12:32 PM
I don't call 8/17 slams "virtually unbeatable".

DjokovicForTheWin
06-12-2011, 12:39 PM
a forum filled with fed. fanboy crying threads. It just goes on and on and on .........

Interesting that you don't make the same comment in the Nadal crybaby thread that wants to ban HC's, LOL :)

JustBob
06-12-2011, 01:48 PM
One, athletes who compete in physically demanding sports with a grueling schedule will rarely be 100%. They will always have various nicks and bruises and assorted ailments (note that a lot of those you will never even hear about). Plus, if a player decides to step on the court/field of play, then he must be considered "fit to play", and whether he's at 75, 80, 85 or 90% of his physical capabilities is irrelevant to the legitimacy of the result(s). Therefore, the "but he was tired/sick/injured/not 100%" argument is just plain silly, fallacious nonsense.

Two, Nadal's tiredness/injuries are, mostly, a direct result of his style of play. One cannot claim that his wins, which are obviously the result of his physical approach to the game, are legitimate, while at the same time arguing that his losses are not, i.e. that said losses should have an asterisk besides them because he was tired or injured. That's neither rational nor logical. Without his unique style of play, Nadal might have suffered fewer injuries but he would also not have been this successful.

Magnus
06-12-2011, 02:00 PM
This wins Fanboy thread of the year award. LOL.

Magnus
06-12-2011, 02:02 PM
There were only two injuries that really affected Nadal, and that was against Ferrer this year and Del Potro. The rest is just a bunch of nonsense. Ferrer beat Nadal fair and square at the USO.

I believe DP would have blasted Nadal anyway, he looked unbeatable at that tournament.

zagor
06-12-2011, 02:09 PM
Interesting that you don't make the same comment in the Nadal crybaby thread that wants to ban HC's, LOL :)

C'mon,he has a point.

Legend of Borg
06-12-2011, 02:13 PM
This wins Fanboy thread of the year award. LOL.

I would call it "Best troll thread of the Year".

I think the OP is a Fed fan with a talent for quality trolling.

zagor
06-12-2011, 02:17 PM
I would call it "Best troll thread of the Year".

I think the OP is a Fed fan with a talent for quality trolling.

No doubt,he's a Fed fan.

powerangle
06-12-2011, 02:33 PM
Ever thought that in order to be unbeatable at certain tournaments, he has to push and bear through his physical limitations? Injuries happen because he does that. He's not unbeatable if he has to sacrifice his health for the next tournament to win the current one.

Exactly. Being and staying healthy is part and parcel to being an athlete, especially a top athlete. If you get injured frequently or have to sacrifice and extend yourself just to continue playing, then you weren't that great of an athlete to begin with. Your injuries can be legit but it certainly doesn't add to your greatness if you have to sit out because of it.

Some posters here like to use injuries to enhance Nadal's career (the shoulda, coulda, wouldas). It happens to other player fanbases too but seems to happen the most amongst the *******s.

zagor
06-12-2011, 02:42 PM
Exactly. Being and staying healthy is part and parcel to being an athlete, especially a top athlete. If you get injured frequently or have to sacrifice and extend yourself just to continue playing, then you weren't that great of an athlete to begin with. Your injuries can be legit but it certainly doesn't add to your greatness if you have to sit out because of it.

Some posters here like to use injuries to enhance Nadal's career (the shoulda, coulda, wouldas). It happens to other player fanbases too but seems to happen the most amongst the *******s.

Maybe but keep in mind that for example one poster who constantly brings up Nadal's injuries as an excuse(more than anyone else on this forum)is a Sampras fanboy whose sole reason for being a so called Nadal fan is because he's butthurt Fed smashed some of Pete's records.

powerangle
06-12-2011, 02:49 PM
Maybe but keep in mind that for example one poster who constantly brings up Nadal's injuries as an excuse(more than anyone else on this forum)is a Sampras fanboy whose sole reason for being a so called Nadal fan is because he's butthurt Fed smashed some of Pete's records.

Oh I am very well aware of that. Hence I said "*******s", not the true Nadal fans for whom I have respect for.

As for this poster.....all the threads I have seen from this poster have been to denigrate Federer through Nadal, in order to make Sampras look better. It's very predictable what kind of posts you'll see from him.

zagor
06-12-2011, 02:55 PM
Oh I am very well aware of that. Hence I said "*******s", not the true Nadal fans for whom I have respect for.

As for this poster.....all the threads I have seen from this poster have been to denigrate Federer through Nadal, in order to make Sampras look better. It's very predictable what kind of posts you'll see from him.

Yes but do you consider said poster to be a Nadal fan even though he declares himself as one? I don't.The point I'm trying to make is that some posters who give Nadal a bad rep aren't really Nadal fans at all,they just hate/dislike Roger.

powerangle
06-12-2011, 02:58 PM
Yes but do you consider said poster to be a Nadal fan even though he declares himself as one? I don't.The point I'm trying to make is that some posters who give Nadal a bad rep aren't really Nadal fans at all,they just hate/dislike Roger.

No I don't consider him a Nadal fan, only a ******* (not a true fan of Nadal, whom I distinguish from *******).

It became even more hilariously apparent the other night when I said I felt Nadal is more dominant at RG than Sampras at Wimbledon. Suddenly his tune changed. Defend Sampras vehemently at all costs, even if it meant going against Nadal. Very transparent.

NadalAgassi
06-12-2011, 04:02 PM
I think TheNatural is a Nadal fan, not just a Sampras protector. He seemed to get ****y when Djokovic was starting to regularly beat Nadal too.

I know myself that I am a big fan of both Sampras and Nadal but it has nothing to do with one anothers records. I just like both players alot for totally different reasons as they arent even that similar. Djokovic is also one of my favorite players and I was rooting for him to win the French this year, even before Nadal, as I felt he deserved to win a non Australian slam and take the #1 ranking and it was overdue for him.

Federer isnt one of my favorites I admit. That is just the way it has always been. He just doesnt appeal to me like some of the other players. Also in part due to the fact his fans are quite annoying I find as well, starting Federer is GOAT talk on every thread, and trying to shove it down everyones throats.

Tennis_Monk
06-12-2011, 04:35 PM
Oh my.. So people do believe in what players say in press conferences...well...njoy.

mcr619619
06-12-2011, 05:05 PM
he's beating himself, he forcing his body into the limit...being fit like Fed is better..

mcr619619
06-12-2011, 05:10 PM
I think TheNatural is a Nadal fan, not just a Sampras protector. He seemed to get ****y when Djokovic was starting to regularly beat Nadal too.

I know myself that I am a big fan of both Sampras and Nadal but it has nothing to do with one anothers records. I just like both players alot for totally different reasons as they arent even that similar. Djokovic is also one of my favorite players and I was rooting for him to win the French this year, even before Nadal, as I felt he deserved to win a non Australian slam and take the #1 ranking and it was overdue for him.

Federer isnt one of my favorites I admit. That is just the way it has always been. He just doesnt appeal to me like some of the other players. Also in part due to the fact his fans are quite annoying I find as well, starting Federer is GOAT talk on every thread, and trying to shove it down everyones throats.

yup, i also think so... he always tried to defend Nadal against federer/djo fans... is it a disguise?

jukka1970
06-12-2011, 05:10 PM
The only SLAM loss since 2007 in which Nadal has lost in and not been injured was the 2008 A0 and The 2008 US Open, but he was running on fumes at the USO as he had sacrificed the US Open for the Gold medal.

Out of all those Injuries in SLAMS, the beneficiaries were:

2007 AO= Fred
2007 WIm= Fred
2007 USO= Fred
2008 USO = Fred
2009 FO = Fred
2009 Wim = Fred
2009 USo = Delpo
2010 AO= Fred
2011 AO= Djoker.

Fred benefited +7 slams
Delpo benefitted + 1 slam
Djoker benefitted +1 slam

Some of the injuries probably come down to health management, but some are just freak acute injuries that can happen in sport, just very unlucky!Nadal would have won at least some of those slams for sure. I don't think anyone will dispute that unless they have rocks in their head.

Conclusion: Nadal's injuries have inflated Fred's slam count and deflated Nadals' and this made Fred overated relative to Nadal and Nadal appear underated relative to Fred as their current slam tallies(16-10) does not reflect their true talent relative to eachother. Nadal's 09 injury woes really did save Fred's career - he got lucky no one will deny that.

Gee, are we a little ****ed off that Federer beat your avatar's grand slam total?

jukka1970
06-12-2011, 05:12 PM
The othe conclusion, is that Nadal has been injuried during a large part of his prime, and also it's not that he wasn't good enough to reach Hard court slam finals earlier, it's just that he was not uninjured enough to reach more hard court SLAM finals earlier.

Oh get over it, your avatar (Samprass) was never going to be the best. Am sure we'll be hearing about the Sampras excuses next. As for Nadal, he doesn't need your excuses.

SStrikerR
06-12-2011, 05:26 PM
All excuses. Well, they're his fault for playing the way he plays. If he's in top condition, maybe he'll always win. But he wins how he plays, and the way he plays has a price. Get over it.

ksbh
06-13-2011, 11:53 AM
I suspect both Federer & Nadal have a book in the bag that they carry on-court. They must be reading that book following every loss because they never seem to run out of reasons for losing- it's anything but the opponents superior play. It's better they hang up their rackets and watch this guy-

http://www.stardonic.com/ss-images/2006/12/sunny_deol.jpg

Magnus
06-13-2011, 01:36 PM
I would call it "Best troll thread of the Year".

I think the OP is a Fed fan with a talent for quality trolling.

We should have a troll-ranking for every poster around here. Should be fun :)

Magnus
06-13-2011, 01:38 PM
I think TheNatural is a Nadal fan, not just a Sampras protector. He seemed to get ****y when Djokovic was starting to regularly beat Nadal too.

I know myself that I am a big fan of both Sampras and Nadal but it has nothing to do with one anothers records. I just like both players alot for totally different reasons as they arent even that similar. Djokovic is also one of my favorite players and I was rooting for him to win the French this year, even before Nadal, as I felt he deserved to win a non Australian slam and take the #1 ranking and it was overdue for him.

Federer isnt one of my favorites I admit. That is just the way it has always been. He just doesnt appeal to me like some of the other players. Also in part due to the fact his fans are quite annoying I find as well, starting Federer is GOAT talk on every thread, and trying to shove it down everyones throats.

Nadal fans IMO are by far the most annoying fans of any player in ANY sport. They make it hard to even respect the guy.

timnz
06-13-2011, 04:46 PM
I'd say nadal is super tough when fit however don't know he is the best on alll surfaces. Beat federer who had lost fitness from mono earlier in 2008 on grass by the skin of his teeth. Hasn't played federer since on grass. So far from certain dominance on grass. On hard has won only 2 slams out of 7 played since the start of 2009. So hard court no either. Indoor has only got to one wtf in the whole of his career. On clay - yes - he is the king.

Jchurch
06-13-2011, 05:10 PM
I'd say nadal is super tough when fit however don't know he is the best on alll surfaces. Beat federer who had lost fitness from mono earlier in 2008 on grass by the skin of his teeth. Hasn't played federer since on grass. So far from certain dominance on grass. On hard has won only 2 slams out of 7 played since the start of 2009. So hard court no either. Indoor has only got to one wtf in the whole of his career. On clay - yes - he is the king.

Don't worry. Soon they will extend the list to show that he was injured/exhausted at everyone of these WTF events :)

bms2011
06-13-2011, 05:33 PM
LOL..thats pretty funny, I have to admit. :)
Maybe they should have a longer off season and use more natural surfaces.

Dude, you really make me laugh. You're blaming the injuries that Nadal formed by his style of play (running around side to side rapidly, sliding) on hard courts. Nadal grew up on clay and out of every surface, clay is the hardest surface on the body and you're making hard courts his issue. The only issue that he had with hard courts was the fact that he wasn't the best player on them. Not that they injured him.

Sharpshooter
06-13-2011, 05:36 PM
I'd say nadal is super tough when fit however don't know he is the best on alll surfaces. Beat federer who had lost fitness from mono earlier in 2008 on grass by the skin of his teeth. Hasn't played federer since on grass. So far from certain dominance on grass.

And prime Federer beat an inexperienced Rafael Nadal who just turned 21 by the skin of his teeth the year before.

I'd say Fed was pretty lucky to extend the 2008 final to five sets. Fist of all ther was the rain delay which allowed Fed to regroup and probably forced Rafa to think ahead a bit because he was up by 2 sets at the time, so you couldn't really blame Rafa for thinking ahead about winning the title instead of focussing on the rest of the match. Also, that 4th set TB Fed was extremely lucky that he saved match point with a brilliant backhand passing shot that he could've easily missed, it was an all or nothing shot and if he hits it out, the match ends in 4 sets.

Another thing to look at is Federer has had to win 4 out of his last 5 sets against Nadal at Wimbledon in a TB and in that 08 final he broke Nadal only once.

Also this lost fitness thing in 08 is being way over hyped. He made the Wimbledon final in 08 without even dropping a set. The mono affected him 6 months earlier, he was fine even during RG.

TheNatural
06-13-2011, 05:44 PM
Dude, you really make me laugh. You're blaming the injuries that Nadal formed by his style of play (running around side to side rapidly, sliding) on hard courts. Nadal grew up on clay and out of every surface, clay is the hardest surface on the body and you're making hard courts his issue. The only issue that he had with hard courts was the fact that he wasn't the best player on them. Not that they injured him.

No, clay is a lot softer on the body. Even though you ussually end up running more on clay, hard courts are far worse for the body. Nadal has said this himself and thats why he has often said there should be less artificial surface events for the best interests of the game and of the players health. He has no issue with winning on hard courts except that he's been injured mostly. Didn't you see him win at the Olympics, USO and AO when he was fit?

cc0509
06-13-2011, 06:07 PM
Nadal fans IMO are by far the most annoying fans of any player in ANY sport. They make it hard to even respect the guy.

Most delusional fans I have ever encountered. I am talking about the extreme fans. There are a few on here who are level-headed--i.e. nadalbestclass, MichaelNadal, Mustard, etc. Most of the rest are as loopy as they come going so far into fandom and so far away from reality it is scary.

MichaelNadal
06-13-2011, 06:10 PM
Most delusional fans I have ever encountered. I am talking about the extreme fans. There are a few on here who are level-headed--i.e. nadalbestclass, MichaelNadal, Mustard, etc. Most of the rest are as loopy as they come going so far into fandom and so far away from reality it is scary.

I agree with your post man, and thanks for the shout.

Bobby Jr
06-13-2011, 06:12 PM
Nadal's 09 injury woes really did save Fred's career - he got lucky no one will deny that.
What injury was that at the FO 09?

Soderlingitis?

cc0509
06-13-2011, 06:12 PM
I agree with your post man, and thanks for the shout.

LOL! Thanks. After I posted it, I thought should I really say this and post it? But what the heck, it is the truth imo. Glad to know you as a Nadal fan agree with me about some of the other Nadal extremists.

P.S. I know some of the Fed fans are just as bad! :)

TMF
06-13-2011, 06:13 PM
Most delusional fans I have ever encountered. I am talking about the extreme fans. There are a few on here who are level-headed--i.e. nadalbestclass, MichaelNadal, Mustard, etc. Most of the rest are as loopy as they come going so far into fandom and so far away from reality it is scary.

And we stated before they are the youngest fans in here.

One of the stubborn one keep saying CYGS is the only criteria that qualify for a goat status.

Unbelievable !

cc0509
06-13-2011, 06:19 PM
And we stated before they are the youngest fans in here.

One of the stubborn one keep saying CYGS is the only criteria that qualify for a goat status.

Unbelievable !

Well I am not sure if they are young chronologically speaking but they certainly seem immature (or many of them do.)

LOLLLLLL, re the CYGS is the only criterion for GOAT status. What's next? :rolleyes:

bms2011
06-16-2011, 02:38 PM
No, clay is a lot softer on the body. Even though you ussually end up running more on clay, hard courts are far worse for the body. Nadal has said this himself and thats why he has often said there should be less artificial surface events for the best interests of the game and of the players health. He has no issue with winning on hard courts except that he's been injured mostly. Didn't you see him win at the Olympics, USO and AO when he was fit?

Listen to any commentator or any player they all say that clay is harder on the body. WHy do you think that the clay court season is so much shorter than the hard court season?

TMF
06-16-2011, 02:54 PM
About this thread...how can one say Nadal is virtually unbeatable when his winning % is below 90, and won less than 10 titles per year despite played a ton of tennis. That's pretty beatable to me.

tennis_pro
06-16-2011, 03:19 PM
Don't worry. Soon they will extend the list to show that he was injured/exhausted at everyone of these WTF events :)

2005 - injured
2006 - exhausted (long season)
2007 - exhausted (long season)
2008 - injured
2009 - OBVIOUSLY injured (0-6 in sets, something was definately wrong!)
2010 - exhausted after semi-finals with Murray

there you go, based on the pattern, Nadal should miss 2011 WTF because of injury as he does every 3 years (2005, 2008 )

Magnus
06-16-2011, 03:21 PM
About this thread...how can one say Nadal is virtually unbeatable when his winning % is below 90, and won less than 10 titles per year despite played a ton of tennis. That's pretty beatable to me.

If one's name is TheNatural :)

TheNatural
06-16-2011, 08:56 PM
If one's name is TheNatural :)

Im worried about you, You have a very unhealthy obsession with me.:roll:

TheNatural
06-16-2011, 08:58 PM
Listen to any commentator or any player they all say that clay is harder on the body. WHy do you think that the clay court season is so much shorter than the hard court season?

Nadal said that hard court is much harsher on the body than clay.

mandy01
06-16-2011, 09:27 PM
Also, that 4th set TB Fed was extremely lucky that he saved match point with a brilliant backhand passing shot that he could've easily missed, it was an all or nothing shot and if he hits it out, the match ends in 4 sets.

How can a brilliant passing shot be' lucky ?' Not only was it well within the line but a brilliant winner by definition can't be a lucky shot.Either that or most of the brilliant winners players hit are lucky.

Rafa Garros
06-16-2011, 11:51 PM
And we stated before they are the youngest fans in here.
Unbelievable !

thats is a very lofty claims. do you haves objectives evidance to backs it up???

TheNatural
06-17-2011, 12:02 AM
Listen to any commentator or any player they all say that clay is harder on the body. WHy do you think that the clay court season is so much shorter than the hard court season?

why do you think the grass court season is so much shorter than the hard court season.

Hitman
06-17-2011, 12:10 AM
No-one beats Rafa!

There has to be some kind devine intervention to make him lose.

The OP goes back to 2007. Well, I say lets go back even further. All those loses before that year don't count either, because he was just a kid, and was no where near his prime.

And any losses now don't count either, because surely he must be injured, bored, tired, or something. I think bored will be the most common reason in the future...He lost because he was bored. He has won so much, and nothing is a challenge to him any more.

What a guy!