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Aeropax
06-12-2011, 08:53 PM
I want Andy Murray to get a slam under his belt to make the top five more competitive, but he seems to have mental lapses in finals (hasn't won a set in three chances on his favorite surface - OUCH).

So, do you think Andy will win a slam?

Sentinel
06-12-2011, 09:14 PM
Truly talented players do have mental lapses and concentration issues at times. He will win a few.

Viking_Golfer
06-12-2011, 09:26 PM
Neva !!!!!!!

NadalAgassi
06-12-2011, 09:29 PM
He will never in a slam. Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic will continue to win all the slams until the end of 2014 probably. Del Potro if healthy could win 1 or 2 more in that span. I know Murray owns Del Potro but Del Potro actually has the weapons and mental toughness to beat those 3 others in a slam final which Murray does not. And by then Murray will be 27, and the current pathetic generation of up and comers born 89-91 will be replaced by a likely better generation after that who will be ready to make their mark by then.

kishnabe
06-13-2011, 09:03 AM
I mean he will have to find a way to win a slam.....with improvements somewhere along the way. Many guys though Djokovic won't win a slam after 2008, and he improved and won another one. Murray has 40 chances to do so.....he has to bag one even if it means the draw opens up to him!

NadalAgassi
06-13-2011, 09:19 AM
40 chances, LOL! Murray is turning 24 very shortly. He isnt going to play another 10 years, and if he does he will be a struggling journeyman in his 30s. Look at how much Federer is struggling before turning 29, not reaching a slam final for over a year. If that is happening to Federer, Murray will have NO chance at that age.

So lets by more realistic and say 14 more chances, lets say until the end of 2014. No chance he ever wins the French so cut that down to 11. I could easily see him not winning a slam in around 11 chances with better players than him around that whole time (most likely).

batz
06-13-2011, 09:22 AM
40 chances, LOL! Murray is turning 24 very shortly. He isnt going to play another 10 years, and if he does he will be a struggling journeyman in his 30s. Look at how much Federer is struggling before turning 29, not reaching a slam final for over a year. If that is happening to Federer, Murray will have NO chance at that age.

So lets by more realistic and say 14 more chances, lets say until the end of 2014. No chance he ever wins the French so cut that down to 11. I could easily see him not winning a slam in around 11 chances with better players than him around that whole time (most likely).

Murray will be done at 27? :shock:

NadalAgassi
06-13-2011, 09:29 AM
If Federer stops making slam finals almost entirely at 28, yes I think Murray will be done as a slam title contender before turning 28.

President
06-13-2011, 09:49 AM
He will never in a slam. Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic will continue to win all the slams until the end of 2014 probably. Del Potro if healthy could win 1 or 2 more in that span. I know Murray owns Del Potro but Del Potro actually has the weapons and mental toughness to beat those 3 others in a slam final which Murray does not. And by then Murray will be 27, and the current pathetic generation of up and comers born 89-91 will be replaced by a likely better generation after that who will be ready to make their mark by then.

I think thats pretty silly to say when all he needs to do is find a way to mentally compete in slam finals; he will definitely get to more of them its just a question of executing when he gets there. Thats a much better problem to have than not being able to get to them in the first place, and actually all of the top 3 are pretty good matchups for Murray. I'm sure he'll win a slam eventually, its just a question of getting his head screwed on straight.

baseliner
06-13-2011, 09:57 AM
How will he win a slam as long as Federer, Nadal and Djokovic are around. Murray may be a godd player playing in an era of 3 great players. Nope, he will retire with zero slams and the Brits w3ill have to wait an eternity for one of their own to win Wimbledon.

Fedex
06-13-2011, 10:02 AM
He will never in a slam. Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic will continue to win all the slams until the end of 2014 probably. Del Potro if healthy could win 1 or 2 more in that span. I know Murray owns Del Potro but Del Potro actually has the weapons and mental toughness to beat those 3 others in a slam final which Murray does not. And by then Murray will be 27, and the current pathetic generation of up and comers born 89-91 will be replaced by a likely better generation after that who will be ready to make their mark by then.

NadalAgassi will never win a Slam. I can say that for sure but to say a player who has been in the top 4 for 3 years and reached three Slam finals and two Slam semis and beaten all the top 10 players, will NEVER win a Slam, is absolutely ridiculous.

batz
06-13-2011, 10:22 AM
NadalAgassi will never win a Slam. I can say that for sure but to say a player who has been in the top 4 for 3 years and reached three Slam finals and two Slam semis and beaten all the top 10 players, will NEVER win a Slam, is absolutely ridiculous.

C'mon - tennis littered with guys who had played in 3 slam finals at the age of 23 but never won a slam.

It's 3 slam finals and 3 other semis BTW ;)

bluetrain4
06-13-2011, 12:14 PM
I really think he'll win a Slam, though I'm not convinced he'll win a bunch and be an all-time great player. Not that I don't think that could happen, just that I'm not convinced yet. I need to see him win one (which I think he'll do) before I can consider him winning 3 to 6.

MixieP
06-13-2011, 12:30 PM
You'll have your answer on the third of July, but I can give you a sneak preview: it's "yes".

Buckethead
06-13-2011, 01:06 PM
He will never in a slam. Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic will continue to win all the slams until the end of 2014 probably. Del Potro if healthy could win 1 or 2 more in that span. I know Murray owns Del Potro but Del Potro actually has the weapons and mental toughness to beat those 3 others in a slam final which Murray does not. And by then Murray will be 27, and the current pathetic generation of up and comers born 89-91 will be replaced by a likely better generation after that who will be ready to make their mark by then.

40 chances, LOL! Murray is turning 24 very shortly. He isnt going to play another 10 years, and if he does he will be a struggling journeyman in his 30s. Look at how much Federer is struggling before turning 29, not reaching a slam final for over a year. If that is happening to Federer, Murray will have NO chance at that age.

So lets by more realistic and say 14 more chances, lets say until the end of 2014. No chance he ever wins the French so cut that down to 11. I could easily see him not winning a slam in around 11 chances with better players than him around that whole time (most likely).

Just sign my name along side yours whenever you defend your perspectives on this Murray case.

Everything you wrote here is also what I think.

Mainad
06-13-2011, 01:22 PM
Just sign my name along side yours whenever you defend your perspectives on this Murray case.

Everything you wrote here is also what I think.

Well bully for you! Why don't you both just jointly post under one name instead of pretending to have separate identities? It would save you both a lot of time and effort! :roll:

batz
06-13-2011, 01:23 PM
Just sign my name along side yours whenever you defend your perspectives on this Murray case.

Everything you wrote here is also what I think.


It's been a bad day for you eh kid? Nevermind - here's a Murray thread for you to share your wisdom about him.

People are laughing at you over on the 'Murray didn't get destroyed' thread - a lot. We're talking major 'Ha-has' here - think Nelson Munz.

Fedex
06-13-2011, 01:33 PM
Just sign my name along side yours whenever you defend your perspectives on this Murray case.

Everything you wrote here is also what I think.

Even if Murray did win a Slam you would still find an excuse to say he didn't deserve it so Murray can't win, no matter what, in your eyes.
Take the hate out and see the player.

zagor
06-13-2011, 01:42 PM
Murray will never be good enough to win a slam until he actually does and after that he'll never be good enough to win the second one and shed one slam wonder label.

NadalAgassi
06-13-2011, 01:43 PM
Just like even as Murray continues to fail to win even a single slam title Murraytards continue to pump how great he is. Hilarious some stupid Murraytards before the French Open semi were even complaining I was downplaying Murray to say he had no chance and would probably lose in straights. Of course inevitably he loses in straights just as I called.

Not to mention many of the stupid Murraytards who are in this exact thread saying the only one who can beat Murray is himself, and then calling anyone who says otherwise a hater. Yeah a slamless player in his mid 20s controls his own destiny vs people like a 16 slam winner, a 25 year old 9 slam winner, or someone who has lost only 1 match all year. :rolleyes:

And LOL at Mainad accusing Buckethead of being me. The desperation and stuipdity of the worst of the Murraytards knows no bounds.

zagor
06-13-2011, 01:44 PM
You'll have your answer on the third of July, but I can give you a sneak preview: it's "yes".

Couldn't you have given somewhat more vague hints? You revealed too much and now Wimbledon will be devoid of suspense for viewers here.

Hood_Man
06-13-2011, 01:48 PM
He just needs to reach a final and not have to face Federer, Djokovic or Nadal when he gets there.

In fairness to him, he's only faced Federer and Djokovic when he does reach the final. One of the greatest players of all time, and a player who went on to have one of the best winning streaks in the open era (and dominate his rivals).

It's also a big thing to ask him to do. Federer has only been beaten by Nadal and Del Potro (and in all honesty he lost control of the Del Potro match) in Grand Slam finals, Nadal has only been beaten by Federer, and Djokovic has only been beaten by Federer and Nadal. It's a very exclusive club.

BUT they didn't have the added pressure of facing such dominant opposition in their first finals (or in Djokovic's case, his first win).

Murray has proven he's good enough to beat these guys, he just needs to get lucky and not face one of them in the final.

Mainad
06-13-2011, 01:59 PM
And LOL at Mainad accusing Buckethead of being me. The desperation and stuipdity of the worst of the Murraytards knows no bounds.

What is this weird term 'Murraytard' you like to lob in my direction? I'm not blind to his faults and weaknesses but unlike you I respect him as a player and can see his potential whereas you don't and can't! You are the exact opposite of a 'Murraytard' and therefore just as bad.

What has Murray ever done to you? Did he sleep with your boyfriend or girlfriend or something? Where does all this weird and disturbing hatred come from? What's it to you whether or not Murray wins a Slam or not? If he does he does,if he doesn't,he doesn't.End of story.If you don't like him as a player,which you clearly don't,then don't bother posting about him.Post about the people you DO like (Nadal & Agassi presumably). Try and be positive for them instead of wasting your time here and on other threads spewing your silly bile about Murray NEVER going to do this or Murray NEVER going to do that.Yadda yadda yadda!! Yawn yawn yawn!! Try adopting a little humility and modify your cast-iron certainties about what Murray may or may not do with a bit of reflection that you might JUST be proved wrong.But I guess that's just too much for you to take on board!

I suggest you stop posting and talking about Murray for the good of your mental health.Chill out,lighten up and try and develop a sense of humour.If you do,you may not actually end up in a mental ward screaming 'Murray will NEVER win a Slam' where only the warders and the other inmates will be able to hear you.

Take it as a friendly warning!

Fedex
06-13-2011, 02:00 PM
Hope you'll have television installed down there in Wales Hood Man?

Fedex
06-13-2011, 02:09 PM
Mainad you're just banging your head off a brick wall.
NadalAgassi is already insane.

miyagi
06-13-2011, 04:06 PM
I dont think he does.....there are plenty of athletes who ALWAYS fold when the opportunity presents itself!

I fear Murray is that type of competitor....He has ALL the tools to win but the fact he hasnt won a single set strikes me as odd, really odd!

Its not like he has got progressively better when he has played in the finals, you could argue he has actually got worse? Hmmmm.....

President
06-13-2011, 04:10 PM
Just like even as Murray continues to fail to win even a single slam title Murraytards continue to pump how great he is. Hilarious some stupid Murraytards before the French Open semi were even complaining I was downplaying Murray to say he had no chance and would probably lose in straights. Of course inevitably he loses in straights just as I called.

Not to mention many of the stupid Murraytards who are in this exact thread saying the only one who can beat Murray is himself, and then calling anyone who says otherwise a hater. Yeah a slamless player in his mid 20s controls his own destiny vs people like a 16 slam winner, a 25 year old 9 slam winner, or someone who has lost only 1 match all year. :rolleyes:

And LOL at Mainad accusing Buckethead of being me. The desperation and stuipdity of the worst of the Murraytards knows no bounds.

Speaking of predictions, didn't you say that Federer had "absolutely no chance" or something similar against Djokovic in the RG semis?:confused::confused::confused:

Talker
06-13-2011, 05:47 PM
Murray can win one, no telling when he'll put it together.
The skill is there and the head may follow at anytime.

NadalAgassi
06-13-2011, 05:53 PM
What is this weird term 'Murraytard' you like to lob in my direction? I'm not blind to his faults and weaknesses but unlike you I respect him as a player and can see his potential whereas you don't and can't! You are the exact opposite of a 'Murraytard' and therefore just as bad.

What has Murray ever done to you? Did he sleep with your boyfriend or girlfriend or something? Where does all this weird and disturbing hatred come from? What's it to you whether or not Murray wins a Slam or not? If he does he does,if he doesn't,he doesn't.End of story.If you don't like him as a player,which you clearly don't,then don't bother posting about him.Post about the people you DO like (Nadal & Agassi presumably). Try and be positive for them instead of wasting your time here and on other threads spewing your silly bile about Murray NEVER going to do this or Murray NEVER going to do that.Yadda yadda yadda!! Yawn yawn yawn!! Try adopting a little humility and modify your cast-iron certainties about what Murray may or may not do with a bit of reflection that you might JUST be proved wrong.But I guess that's just too much for you to take on board!

I suggest you stop posting and talking about Murray for the good of your mental health.Chill out,lighten up and try and develop a sense of humour.If you do,you may not actually end up in a mental ward screaming 'Murray will NEVER win a Slam' where only the warders and the other inmates will be able to hear you.

Take it as a friendly warning!

blah blah blah idiot. Very few of my posts here are about your beloved Murray. I have posted far more posts about Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Sampras, Agassi, Serena, Henin, Venus, Graf, Seles, and many others than I have about Murray. If you are so desperate to find out for yourself just do a search on my posts. I am free to give opinions about both players I like and dont and will do that and do so without any qualms. Usually I ignore the bandit of idiots like yourself, this is one of the only times I waste my time even acknowledging your sorry existence. And you are the one obviously worked up about my opinions or how Murray does than I am. I just give my opinions and laugh at those who get so bothered by them.

Fedex
06-13-2011, 05:59 PM
I looked up your comments on other players.
Here's what you said about a female player:

NadalAgassi said:
"Petkovic isnt a top player. She is an overhyped mug who will never even be a top 10 regular, let alone come close to winning a slam. Lets see if she beats Li Na in the 3rd round. That is the real test to where she is at."

You're a nasty piece of work son.

Mainad
06-13-2011, 06:18 PM
blah blah blah idiot. Very few of my posts here are about your beloved Murray. I have posted far more posts about Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Sampras, Agassi, Serena, Henin, Venus, Graf, Seles, and many others than I have about Murray. If you are so desperate to find out for yourself just do a search on my posts. I am free to give opinions about both players I like and dont and will do that and do so without any qualms. Usually I ignore the bandit of idiots like yourself, this is one of the only times I waste my time even acknowledging your sorry existence. And you are the one obviously worked up about my opinions or how Murray does than I am. I just give my opinions and laugh at those who get so bothered by them.

Lol...laugh?? You don't laugh! You don't have a sense of humour in your entire body. Who's interested in your opinions about a player you don't like? Because we know you don't like him so we don't need you clogging up board space here with your endless,boring,repetitious litanies of why and how you don't like him! Nobody's interested.Go away and talk about all those players you DO like.You have nothing valuable,informative or anything remotely interesting to contribute to this particular thread.You're just a joke.We all laugh at you! And if you're really not bothered about my opinions,then you won't waste any more of my and your time by bothering to reply to this will you??

Sentinel
06-14-2011, 06:27 AM
What is the highest number of slam finals someone's been in, without winning one ?

tusharlovesrafa
06-14-2011, 06:36 AM
What is the highest number of slam finals someone's been in, without winning one ?


Considering that the first Grand Slam tournament took place nearly a century and a half ago, there have been remarkably few male players who have come close to winning Grand Slam singles events again and again without winning one. There were six men (Frank Riseley, Frank Hunter, Harry Hopman, Bunny Austin, Eric Sturgess and Andy Murray) who were runner up in three Grand Slams and never won one. Harry Parker, Wallace Johnson, Andre Gobert, Jean Washer, Robert Schlesinger, Frank Shields, Bill Talbert, Tom Brown, Kurt Nielsen, Herb Flam, Rex Hartwig, Luis Ayala, Steve Denton, Kevin Curren, Miloslav Mecir, Cedric Pioline, Todd Martin, Alex Corretja, Mark Philippoussis and Robin Soderling (total of 20) were runner up in two majors and never won one

Mainad
06-14-2011, 07:18 AM
There were six men (Frank Riseley, Frank Hunter, Harry Hopman, Bunny Austin, Eric Sturgess and Andy Murray) who were runner up in three Grand Slams and never won one.

Sigh...3 of them British! :( Fingers crossed Andy will get himself off that particular list soon!

THUNDERVOLLEY
06-14-2011, 07:42 AM
Lol...laugh?? You don't laugh! You don't have a sense of humour in your entire body. Who's interested in your opinions about a player you don't like? Because we know you don't like him so we don't need you clogging up board space here with your endless,boring,repetitious litanies of why and how you don't like him! Nobody's interested.Go away and talk about all those players you DO like.You have nothing valuable,informative or anything remotely interesting to contribute to this particular thread.You're just a joke.We all laugh at you! And if you're really not bothered about my opinions,then you won't waste any more of my and your time by bothering to reply to this will you??

For a person criticizing another about his behavior, you come off as incredibly bitter...hostile. Are you that new to TW? I ask because anyone finding anything unusual about members criticizing players must not be all that familiar with the routine here.

That said, Murray is not above criticism--he has been hyped by fans and talking heads alike for years--always promising a major was right around the corner. Well, that corner has been circled a few times, which leads anyone to (objectively) observe that he has problems with making the big move. That is not a crime...though the overreactions of some Murray fans would lead one to think some were wishing a grave illness on the guy.

If you want to be ****ed off at anyone, aim that anger at the talking heads like Gilbert and Cahill, or some of his most vocal fans, who keep that "he's about to break through" song playing year after year, in the face of no results.

Mainad
06-14-2011, 09:52 AM
For a person criticizing another about his behavior, you come off as incredibly bitter...hostile. Are you that new to TW? I ask because anyone finding anything unusual about members criticizing players must not be all that familiar with the routine here.


It's interesting that,to you,I'M the one who comes across as incredibly hostile and bitter when I wasn't the one who said this (about me),quote:

"blah blah blah idiot. Usually I ignore the bandit of idiots like yourself, this is one of the only times I waste my time even acknowledging your sorry existence."

In other exchanges he/she has frequently referred to me as 'stupid' or 'ignorant' for daring to defend Murray's abilities against his own caste-iron certainties to the contrary.When attacked and provoked on a personal basis like that I admit I tend to reply in kind.I don't see why I should just roll over for those kind of personal attacks.I am never the one to initiate them. Please check any of my other posts if you don't believe me.All I wish to do is discuss tennis players and their performances without being subjected to these kind of personal attacks.I have no objection whatsoever to people taking a different view to mine about Murray or any other player.What I object to is people like this poster who pronounce opinions as if they are the Pope making an infallible statement and then launch scathing attacks on me personally if I dare to challenge them in any way.It is downright rude,discourteous and totally unnecessary and I will defend myself against them.


That said, Murray is not above criticism--he has been hyped by fans and talking heads alike for years--always promising a major was right around the corner. Well, that corner has been circled a few times, which leads anyone to (objectively) observe that he has problems with making the big move. That is not a crime...though the overreactions of some Murray fans would lead one to think some were wishing a grave illness on the guy.

I am not a 'Murraytard' or whatever you wish to call it.I am not blind to his faults and weaknesses as I tried to explain,vainly,in my exchanges with NadalAgassi and others and I certainly don't overhype him. He is the no.4 player in the world,deservedly so in my opinion,but I recognize that there is a gap between his current performance and that of the top 3 players and he has some work to do in order to close that gap.But I think he has the game and the potential to do it and the capacity to improve.Others,like yourself,may disagree but no one has the right to say with cast-iron certainty what he will do and will not do.All we have are our opinions which may differ but should always be expressed in a courteous manner that doesn't try to belittle or disparage someone else for daring to think differently.


If you want to be ****ed off at anyone, aim that anger at the talking heads like Gilbert and Cahill, or some of his most vocal fans, who keep that "he's about to break through" song playing year after year, in the face of no results.

Well they're tennis experts and they have the right to their opinion as well.The rest is just run of the mill hype and media talk.Every country likes to talk and hype up their own players' abilities especially when they have just the one top player like Britain has with Murray. It's as natural and inevitable as night and day. The more cautious and sensible of us recognise the difference between hype and reasoned assessment. But why should you care one way or the other? Either Murray will finally justify the hype by winning a Major or he won't and you and others will have the satisfaction of knowing that what you suspected was right all along.The rest of us will have to live with our disappointment or have the satisfaction of proving the naysayers like yourself wrong.Either way,there is never any need to get personal and rude about it.That's all I'm saying.

batz
06-14-2011, 09:57 AM
Guys - if NadalAgassi gets too full of himself, just threaten to report him to the mods for his multiple IDs. He'll soon STFU and get back in his box - wontcha Davey?

Fedex
06-14-2011, 10:07 AM
Mainad you are a breath of fresh air.

Fedex
06-14-2011, 10:12 AM
Guys - if NadalAgassi gets too full of himself, just threaten to report him to the mods for his multiple IDs. He'll soon STFU and get back in his box - wontcha Davey?

So that's why there are so many pr*cks on the forum.

THUNDERVOLLEY
06-14-2011, 11:25 AM
So that's why there are so many pr*cks on the forum.

The number of pr*cks on the forum usually increase when Nadal wins another major (seen recently), someone questions Federer's status, or Serena simply breathes. At that point, a boatload of aliases appear, all claming to be "lurkers," but conveniently appear to attack the same players, like clockwork.

NadalAgassi
06-14-2011, 11:32 AM
The number of pr*cks on the forum usually increase when Nadal wins another major (seen recently), someone questions Federer's status, or Serena simply breathes. At that point, a boatload of aliases appear, all claming to be "lurkers," but conveniently appear to attack the same players, like clockwork.

Pretty much. One of which is always TMF. The individual who accuses me of having multiple aliases in those particular threads to detract from what he/she probably is no doubt really doing. I imagine he/she has trouble functioning with daily life when so much as Federer loses a match or when Serena wins one.

PS- as for the talking heads in this thread I have only one username. Any idiot who wants to suggest something or complain can go right ahead and it will prove pointless.

batz
06-14-2011, 11:36 AM
Pretty much. One of which is always TMF. The individual who accuses me of having multiple aliases in those particular threads to detract from what he/she probably is no doubt really doing. I imagine he/she has trouble functioning with daily life when so much as Federer loses a match or when Serena wins one.

PS- as for the talking heads in this thread I have only one username. Any idiot who wants to suggest something or complain can go right ahead and it will prove pointless.

Don't tempt me, bawbag. You are Davey25 - even the dogs in the street know it. You can change your IP address, but the p1sh you spout? that's ingrained.

TMF
06-14-2011, 11:43 AM
I didn't even post in this thread and here we have poster attacking me.

Why is it everytime NadalAgassi(Davy25/anointedone/thalivest/Trillus) and Thundervolley get into a heated discussion, they always asking for trouble...everywhere they go ?!?!

I means it's like a cancer that you can't get rid of. There will always be conflict whenever they are around.
http://www.websmileys.com/sm/mad/249.gif

Buckethead
06-14-2011, 11:44 AM
blah blah blah idiot. Very few of my posts here are about your beloved Murray. I have posted far more posts about Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Sampras, Agassi, Serena, Henin, Venus, Graf, Seles, and many others than I have about Murray. If you are so desperate to find out for yourself just do a search on my posts. I am free to give opinions about both players I like and dont and will do that and do so without any qualms. Usually I ignore the bandit of idiots like yourself, this is one of the only times I waste my time even acknowledging your sorry existence. And you are the one obviously worked up about my opinions or how Murray does than I am. I just give my opinions and laugh at those who get so bothered by them.

Dude, they're ganging up on you.

Just let the Murraytards be happy thinking the Chewpa cabbra can win a major. LOL.

Serve_Ace
06-14-2011, 11:46 AM
Is this thread even about Murray anymore? Let's turn this into a Federer-Nadal thread!

NadalAgassi
06-14-2011, 11:51 AM
Those of you who cant handle posters like ThunderVolley and myself have to resort to baseless accusations and whining rather than real debates. Quite sad to see.

As already mentioned whenever Serena does anything positive or some Federer might not be GOAT post comes up is when TMF and other usernames mysteriously all pop up at once saying exactly the same things. The same one who always makes baseless accusations of others and multiple aliases. Hmmm....

THUNDERVOLLEY
06-14-2011, 11:55 AM
It's interesting that,to you,I'M the one who comes across as incredibly hostile and bitter when I wasn't the one who said this (about me),quote:

"blah blah blah idiot. Usually I ignore the bandit of idiots like yourself, this is one of the only times I waste my time even acknowledging your sorry existence."

In other exchanges he/she has frequently referred to me as 'stupid' or 'ignorant' for daring to defend Murray's abilities against his own caste-iron certainties to the contrary.When attacked and provoked on a personal basis like that I admit I tend to reply in kind.I don't see why I should just roll over for those kind of personal attacks.I am never the one to initiate them. Please check any of my other posts if you don't believe me.All I wish to do is discuss tennis players and their performances without being subjected to these kind of personal attacks.I have no objection whatsoever to people taking a different view to mine about Murray or any other player.What I object to is people like this poster who pronounce opinions as if they are the Pope making an infallible statement and then launch scathing attacks on me personally if I dare to challenge them in any way.It is downright rude,discourteous and totally unnecessary and I will defend myself against them.

Others,like yourself,may disagree but no one has the right to say with cast-iron certainty what he will do and will not do.All we have are our opinions which may differ but should always be expressed in a courteous manner that doesn't try to belittle or disparage someone else for daring to think differently.

That's a problem board-wide. Some members occasionally dip into the negative, and that's unfortunate, but they're generally good members, while others (i'll leave nameless) invest in flaming and trolling every day. Regarding Murray, some of his fans hardly appear anywhere on the board, but the second a thread or post so much as carries a hint of criticism, then these usually absent members post some assholish, flame-baiting attack all because they are hyper defensive about Murray. There's two threads on this forum's page with examples.


Well they're tennis experts and they have the right to their opinion as well.The rest is just run of the mill hype and media talk.Every country likes to talk and hype up their own players' abilities especially when they have just the one top player like Britain has with Murray. It's as natural and inevitable as night and day.

No, it is not. I live in the U.S., but on the men's side, i'm not a fan or supporter of Isner, Querry, Roddick, et al. I prefer superior skills, not nationality.

The more cautious and sensible of us recognise the difference between hype and reasoned assessment. But why should you care one way or the other? Either Murray will finally justify the hype by winning a Major or he won't and you and others will have the satisfaction of knowing that what you suspected was right all along.

There's no satisfaction in Murray losing or failing to win majors. An assessment of his issues are exactly that, but in numerous Murray threads, his biggest TW fans become insulting or defensive (as mentioned earlier, there's two threads on this forum's page), simply because the critics do not see him in the same light as Nadal or Federer, or do not continue to buy the notion of Murray being "close to winning a major."

THUNDERVOLLEY
06-14-2011, 11:58 AM
And I'm beginning to wonder how many usernames that his close friend thundervolley has on this board.

Why don't you PROVE I have an alias..other than yourself, particularly when "new" users show up to join your hooded hatred of Serena Williams, then vanish as quickly as they arrived--especially when the mods act.

Yes, yes...we all know you cannot prove anything, and never will.That's why you entered this thread with unsubstantiated, trolling BS like the quote above, instead of evidence.

Fedex
06-14-2011, 12:00 PM
Dude, they're ganging up on you.

Just let the Murraytards be happy thinking the Chewpa cabbra can win a major. LOL.

I hate Murray. I hope he loses first round. Murray will never win a Slam and I hope all his fans here are miserable and I wish bad will on all mankind.
Happy?

TMF
06-14-2011, 12:24 PM
I hate Murray. I hope he loses first round. Murray will never win a Slam and I hope all his fans here are miserable and I wish bad will on all mankind.
Happy?

NadalAgassi & Thundervolley are not in touch with reality. They believe a close 29 yrs old Serena can win 8 out of 14 slams by the end of 2013, but a 23 yrs old has NO CHANCE.
Crazy!!(http://www.websmileys.com/sm/crazy/086.gif). Thereís just no point in reasoning with them.

I mean, what are they smoking. Iím curious to find out.
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TMF
06-14-2011, 12:29 PM
Yes, yes...we all know you cannot prove anything, and never will.That's why you entered this thread with unsubstantiated, trolling BS like the quote above, instead of evidence.

blah blah blah. http://www.websmileys.com/sm/mad/1230.gifhttp://www.websmileys.com/sm/mad/1230.gifhttp://www.websmileys.com/sm/mad/1230.gif


The people in here know too well. It's not even a question since it's so obvious.

Cry me a river if you need to.http://www.websmileys.com/sm/sad/310.gif

NadalAgassi
06-14-2011, 12:30 PM
If Serena had stayed healthy she probably would have won 7 of the next 13 slams after Wimbledon 2011. She was completely dominating the womens game at the time and there seemed to be no real challenger in sight. Of course you celebrate her potentially life threatening accident and subsequent health complications and see no shame in that. Little surprise as you have uttered death threats, racist rants, and other outbursts anytime after Venus and Serena have any success.

As for delusional you are probably the only one on the planet who doesnt believe Serena is the one of the best players of all time. The great Navratilova called her undisputably one of the top 5 ever after Wimbledon last year, yet you are trying to argue she is in the same historic league as Justine Henin, Martina Hingis, and even Maria Sharapova, LOL!

Even better you claim your beloved farce #1 Wozniacki could have beaten Serena on hard courts had she not had the accident in Germany. Even beaten her at the U.S Open when she got her *** kicked by Zvonareva, LOL!

THUNDERVOLLEY
06-14-2011, 01:20 PM
I didn't even post in this thread and here we have poster attacking me.

...and now the lies start. Before your quick edit, you were on the attack, as usual:

And I'm beginning to wonder how many usernames that his close friend thundervolley has on this board.

Not only do you insist on entering threads to flame and derail topics, but your following posts are just more examples of the only reason you post as TW: to flame and troll, thanks to your sociopathic issues, hence the reason NamRanger said:


TMF just has massive issues.

..and NamRanger is just one of the many members to call you out on being nothing except a destructive hate monger.

THUNDERVOLLEY
06-14-2011, 01:21 PM
The people in here know too well. It's not even a question since it's so obvious.



Yep, you cannot prove a thing. You are a habitual liar, among other disgusting things, which proves you will post anything, no matter how idiotic and full of holes.

Nextman916
06-14-2011, 01:33 PM
It's really weird how some people have this huge bias against murray, I feel like many posters here realize murray has incredible talent but develop some serious denial issues and dismiss him with concrete words like "NEVER" and "CHOKER FOR LIFE".

So he choked 3 slam finals against great players...2 against vintage Fed express form (who steamrolled everyone for about 5 years) and 1 unstoppable Djoker before he wen't on to dominate the rest of the tour for 41 matches (including beloved Nadal 4 times).

Watch muzza play at his best....watch all his wins against djoker, fed, nadal, roddick and the rest of the tour. How could anyone possibly dismiss him a threat? 4 consecutive GS semis....he's not going away get used to it.

Tammo
06-14-2011, 01:41 PM
Murray most likely won't win a slam until Federer and Nadal retire, or when Nadal is older.

Djokovic will start winning more slams and probably end up with 9 or 10. I also think Djokovic will get all the carrer grand slam.

TMF
06-14-2011, 01:42 PM
...and now the lies start. Before your quick edit, you were on the attack, as usual:




Wake up and smell the coffee ! Or perhaps youíre not too bright. http://www.websmileys.com/sm/sad/533.gif

Post #41
Pretty much. One of which is always TMF. The individual who accuses me of having multiple aliases in those particular threads to detract from what he/she probably is no doubt really doing. I imagine he/she has trouble functioning with daily life when so much as Federer loses a match or when Serena wins one.

PS- as for the talking heads in this thread I have only one username. Any idiot who wants to suggest something or complain can go right ahead and it will prove pointless.

My very first post in here is #43
I didn't even post in this thread and here we have poster attacking me.

Why is it everytime NadalAgassi(Davy25/anointedone/thalivest/Trillus) and Thundervolley get into a heated discussion, they always asking for trouble...everywhere they go ?!?!

I means it's like a cancer that you can't get rid of. There will always be conflict whenever they are around.
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Learn to read dude, read !

TMF
06-14-2011, 01:44 PM
Yep, you cannot prove a thing. You are a habitual liar, among other disgusting things, which proves you will post anything, no matter how idiotic and full of holes.

Keep telling yourself that NadalAgassi isn't Davy25/anointedone/thalivest/Trillus if it helps you slee well at night.

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NamRanger
06-14-2011, 01:52 PM
...and now the lies start. Before your quick edit, you were on the attack, as usual:



Not only do you insist on entering threads to flame and derail topics, but your following posts are just more examples of the only reason you post as TW: to flame and troll, thanks to your sociopathic issues, hence the reason NamRanger said:



..and NamRanger is just one of the many members to call you out on being nothing except a destructive hate monger.


BTW I would just like to clarify I don't even like Serena, but I'm not going to go on a massive hate mongering about how Serena has no chance when this is the most laughable WTA field I have ever see.


It's really weird how some people have this huge bias against murray, I feel like many posters here realize murray has incredible talent but develop some serious denial issues and dismiss him with concrete words like "NEVER" and "CHOKER FOR LIFE".

So he choked 3 slam finals against great players...2 against vintage Fed express form (who steamrolled everyone for about 5 years) and 1 unstoppable Djoker before he wen't on to dominate the rest of the tour for 41 matches (including beloved Nadal 4 times).

Watch muzza play at his best....watch all his wins against djoker, fed, nadal, roddick and the rest of the tour. How could anyone possibly dismiss him a threat? 4 consecutive GS semis....he's not going away get used to it.


Murray chokes when put in a high pressure situation; this was clearly evident against Roddick in the Wimbledon SF, Federer in both Finals, and Djokovic in the AO final. Even though Murray served more aces and hit more winners than Roddick in their last slam encounter, Roddick was the one dictating play and making things happen. Even as defensive as Nadal is, he doesn't not simply allow his opponents to take over a match like that when things get tight.

THUNDERVOLLEY
06-14-2011, 01:55 PM
Watch muzza play at his best....watch all his wins against djoker, fed, nadal, roddick and the rest of the tour. How could anyone possibly dismiss him a threat? 4 consecutive GS semis....he's not going away get used to it.

Right now, Murray in a bad position: he's been said to be one of the favorites at many majors he's played, but he comes up short. During the FO, someone (I believe J. McEnroe) spoke of his good hands and his effort to come to the net. Years ago, I said with Murray's reach and coverage, he should have taken advantage of that reach, as it would be difficult to get easy passing shots by him, but he plays pretty much the same, unless he's forced to break his retriever pattern. If he dared to come in more, and force his opponents to try to lob or pass, he has the physical ability to cut off a lot of attempts, but he rarely changes his basic form.

To observers, Murray coming up short--after so much said, written and posted about his potential--inspires a negative impression. It's like the infamous trio of slamless WTA #1 players--Jankovic, Safina and now Wozniacki--when hype and sales jobs of "potential" and "on their way" go nowhere time after time after time, fans sour on the player, with some adopting a "call me when it happens, but i'm not holding my breath" kind of attitude.

THUNDERVOLLEY
06-14-2011, 01:57 PM
Keep telling yourself that NadalAgassi isn't Davy25/anointedone/thalivest/Trillus if it helps you slee well at night.

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/sleep/schla03.gif

Ahh, now you have to alter your neverending stream of lies: is you started off accusing me of having multiple usernames, but when pressed to prove it, what direction do you take? Dropping the matter to return to flaming another member.

What a pathetic case.

TMF
06-14-2011, 02:00 PM
BTW I would just like to clarify I don't even like Serena, but I'm not going to go on a massive hate mongering about how Serena has no chance when this is the most laughable WTA field I have ever see.


I never heard anyone said Serena has no chance, btw.

TMF
06-14-2011, 02:06 PM
Ahh, now you have to alter your neverending stream of lies: is you started off accusing me of having multiple usernames, but when pressed to prove it, what direction do you take? Dropping the matter to return to flaming another member.

What a pathetic case.


NadalAgassi has multiple usernames and the people knows it. Since he's a close friend of yours, i was wondering if you have other usernames in here. Notice i said I wonder, not directly accussing you. You missed that.http://www.websmileys.com/sm/sad/1466.gif

ibbi
06-14-2011, 02:07 PM
I don't think he will, no.

Here's a fact. Nobody in the history of grand slam mens singles competition, that's going all the way back to Wimbledon in 1877, has ever played 3 finals and failed to pick up a single set...EXCEPT FOR ONE MAN!

TMF
06-14-2011, 02:10 PM
Ivanisevic was a head case and he finally win one in 2001. Nothing is a certain.

THUNDERVOLLEY
06-14-2011, 02:11 PM
NadalAgassi has multiple usernames and the people knows it. Since he's a close friend of yours, i was wondering if you have other usernames in here. Notice i said I wonder, not directly accussing you. You missed that.http://www.websmileys.com/sm/sad/1466.gif

You're not getting away with what is clear in your posts: you also started off accusing me of having multiple usernames, but when pressed to prove it, what direction do you take? Dropping the matter to return to flaming another member, because you do not have even a fragment of evidence.

But continue to lie and change your story. You are doing all the work necessary to prove what so many have said about you.

TMF
06-14-2011, 02:18 PM
You're not getting away with what is clear in your posts: you also started off accusing me of having multiple usernames, but when pressed to prove it, what direction do you take? Dropping the matter to return to flaming another member, because you do not have even a fragment of evidence.

But continue to lie and change your story. You are doing all the work necessary to prove what so many have said about you.

Like I said, I'm just wondering.

You and NadalAgassi are good friend. Friend learn from another, stick together.http://www.websmileys.com/sm/love/458.gif

That's why I'm wondering.

THUNDERVOLLEY
06-14-2011, 02:42 PM
Like I said, I'm just wondering.

You and NadalAgassi are good friend. Friend learn from another, stick together.http://www.websmileys.com/sm/love/458.gif

That's why I'm wondering.

BS. You have accused members of alternate usernames and other bits of crap many times before. There's no backpedaling out of your false accusation....in short, another lie.

TMF
06-14-2011, 03:06 PM
BS. You have accused members of alternate usernames and other bits of crap many times before. There's no backpedaling out of your false accusation....in short, another lie.

As someone already mentioned...you always have to have the last words. Having the last words doesn't make you a winner and/or correct, but being stubborn. I've already explained it to you but keep ignoring or unwilling to read. I know you'll keep up with the soap opera.
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Rafa Garros
06-14-2011, 03:30 PM
Ivanisevic was a head case and he finally win one in 2001. Nothing is a certain.

Agread. roger even won a french in 2009. anythings can happens.

THUNDERVOLLEY
06-14-2011, 04:19 PM
As someone already mentioned...you always have to have the last words

Translation: Now that i've exposed you as a liar repeatedly making false accusations, you want the matter to just fade away with this "last word" diversion.

It is not working...but I know you lack the self control to ignore this and NOT reply (either to this post, or in some roundabout way to anyone who would care enough to read your posts).

Fedex
06-14-2011, 04:23 PM
Translation: Now that i've exposed you as a liar repeatedly making false accusations, you want the matter to just fade away with this "last word" diversion.

It is not working...but I know you lack the self control to ignore this and NOT reply (either to this post, or in some roundabout way to anyone who would care enough to read your posts).

Can we not just shut the f up and stop this mindless, endless bickering and have rational and civilised discussions.
It's doing my head in and totally spoiling the forum.
Funny thing is if we were all talking face to face there's no way we talk to one another the way we do here.

TMF
06-14-2011, 04:32 PM
Can we not just shut the f up and stop this mindless, endless bickering and have rational and civilised discussions.
It's doing my head in and totally spoiling the forum.
Funny thing is if we were all talking face to face there's no way we talk to one another the way we do here.

Well, the only way to stop is someone else stop posting. Thundervolley is insecure and must have the last words. He thinks having the last word proved that he's a winner.:)

I can go on for another 100 posts, and Thundervolley will still be here.http://www.websmileys.com/sm/mad/1230.gifhttp://www.websmileys.com/sm/mad/1230.gifhttp://www.websmileys.com/sm/mad/1230.gif

Having the last word means a world to him.

Fedex
06-14-2011, 04:37 PM
Whoever has the last word here is just a waster and a loser so let me have the last word.
End of argument?

NamRanger
06-14-2011, 04:41 PM
I never heard anyone said Serena has no chance, btw.



No but you implied that Serena's chances of winning Wimbledon are slim to none, which is greatly exaggerated. She is easily a heavy favorite to win, simply because she is Serena Williams.

TMF
06-14-2011, 04:42 PM
Whoever has the last word here is just a waster and a loser so let me have the last word.
End of argument?

I hardly(if ever) got the last word against the fanboy I encounter. But anyway, yes, I accept...end of argument. :)

Fedex
06-14-2011, 04:46 PM
I hardly(if ever) got the last word against the fanboy I encounter. But anyway, yes, I accept...end of argument. :)

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TMF
06-14-2011, 04:46 PM
No but you implied that Serena's chances of winning Wimbledon are slim to none, which is greatly exaggerated. She is easily a heavy favorite to win, simply because she is Serena Williams.

NO. I don't agree with NadalAgassi having her as the main favorite while other top players gets little or no respect. I'm basing on the CURRENT Serena being out for a year, not the Serena of the past.

Anyway, this thread is about Murray, not Serena.

TMF
06-14-2011, 04:50 PM
http://drummerdonnie.com/gifs/StickManBangingHeadOnWall.gif

Yes. Sometime I feel like i was talking to a brick wall !

NamRanger
06-14-2011, 04:54 PM
NO. I don't agree with NadalAgassi having her as the main favorite while other top players gets little or no respect. I'm basing on the CURRENT Serena being out for a year, not the Serena of the past.

Anyway, this thread is about Murray, not Serena.



Wozniaki has never done anything to warrant her being a bigger favorite than Serena. At best you can say she has an equal amount of chance as Serena, but you cannot possibly argue that Wozniaki, a slamless #1 could ever have more of a chance of winning Wimlbedon than Serena Williams, a woman who has historically been dominant at Wimbledon and only could be challenged by a few select women.

THUNDERVOLLEY
06-14-2011, 05:52 PM
Can we not just shut the f up and stop this mindless, endless bickering and have rational and civilised discussions.
It's doing my head in and totally spoiling the forum.

Spoiling the forum is TMF's motive; the second he enters a thread and spots the objects of his hate, he begins flaming. As predicted, he lacks so much self-control that he had to try say anything as some sort of "offensive" for being exposed as a liar on page 4.


Funny thing is if we were all talking face to face there's no way we talk to one another the way we do here.

I doubt he would.