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KyomasaNTH
06-12-2011, 08:33 PM
Honestly Murray has the game to win a slam but he screws up when he gets the chance. Murray the choker. What should he do???

Bloodshed
06-12-2011, 08:41 PM
Honestly Murray has the game to win a slam but he screws up when he gets the chance. Murray the choker. What should he do???

Honnestly at this time, Murray needs a shitload of luck to win his first Slam. THat means he definately needs to avoid Nadal and Federer in his path and to get a non Grand Slam winner as a finalist then he will be able to win his first Slam (which I'm sure he'll win at one point).

tata
06-12-2011, 09:42 PM
Beat the guy on the other side of the net.

KyomasaNTH
06-12-2011, 10:12 PM
Yeah maybe he does need a little luck. Well Djoker never has success on grass. Nadal's gonna break his knees if he's not careful and I dunno about fed. Fed's doing pretty well right now. SO I think murray's biggest problem's gonna be federer. But he has beaten him before. SOOOO LET'S GO MURRAY!!!!!

Big_Dangerous
06-12-2011, 10:18 PM
Honestly Murray has the game to win a slam but he screws up when he gets the chance. Murray the choker. What should he do???

Actually show up in a GS Final.

illuminati
06-12-2011, 10:18 PM
he will never win a slam.

to win slams u need a good forehand. murray doesnt have that.

gasquet, nalbandian, murray all have the same problem.
weak forehands

KyomasaNTH
06-12-2011, 10:20 PM
He has a decent forehand, i think his best shot is hit backhand though. That shot will win him a grandslam

Bud
06-12-2011, 10:29 PM
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nadalbestclass
06-12-2011, 10:29 PM
Give up gluten. :twisted:

KyomasaNTH
06-12-2011, 10:39 PM
He needs to work ok 3 things.
1) Forehand most basic thing, he needs a better forehand. He can hit sick winners of his backhand but never does with his forehand
2) First serve %. When he played djoker in the final he won a set when his forst serve percentage was up in the 70's He lost when it was 40
3) He needs to volley more. So many ground players who don't know how to volley, if he learns how to velley well he'll breeze through his first 3 rounds
Anyone disagree?

Nextman916
06-12-2011, 10:47 PM
I don't think its crucial for him to improve his forehand to win a slam. Everyone knows for Murray its what's between his ears. He has a good enough forehand and a good enough game to beat anyone on tour. If he can serve at a high percentage and play his best tennis he'll win a slam.

KyomasaNTH
06-12-2011, 10:49 PM
But the thing is that he isn't consistent enough due to his i think lack of confidence. So to up it he has to practice to the point of second nature, where he could serve in the 75 percents in his sleep. And if you see highlights from him he really does hit better shots with his backhand

Bud
06-12-2011, 11:14 PM
He simply needs to get his head into it... and find passion to win. He always gives up when the going gets tough (poor body language, yelling obscenities to his camp, etc.)

downdaline
06-13-2011, 12:08 AM
I think he needs to improve his shot selection. I saw his play at the 2010 WTF and really, he made some really bad decisions at times.

Granted, they were not on crucial points, but Murray got depressed after a few of those, and after a while, the confidence begins to wane.

Fedex
06-13-2011, 12:27 AM
He simply needs to get his head into it... and find passion to win. He always gives up when the going gets tough (poor body language, yelling obscenities to his camp, etc.)

Yes I'd normally agree with this. Well I wouldn't say he gives up but he can get down and negative.
However, recently I've seen a change.
Murray has found a new positivity, belief and form. Wonder if coach Cahill has anything to do with this?
The French Open for instance, a lot of great come backs and, especially, in the semi final, where ironically, he was beaten, but I think here he showed the greatest mental strength, when the going was very tough against Nadal, Murray kept up the pressure and maintained a high level and belief the whole match right up until the last point.
That for me is a good sign.

Fedex
06-13-2011, 12:37 AM
Obviously Cahill is making a difference:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/tennis/andy-murray/story-e6frfgao-1226073953976

"DARREN Cahill plotted Andy Roddick's Queen's Club downfall and the Australian coach is now intent on helping Andy Murray scale the highest mountain in tennis - Wimbledon.

Murray said Cahill's briefing before Saturday night's extraordinary 6-3 6-1 destruction of triple Wimbledon runner-up Roddick had been crucial."

Oceansize
06-13-2011, 05:34 AM
Murray needs a Sports Psychologist. He's so afraid of losing, he works himself up into a swearing, face-clawing frenzy, on too many occassions. He needs someone to help him focus only on the next point he's playing, and just relax a bit in general. Unfortunately, after six years on the tour, i'm not holding my breath for this to ever happen now. I think he's too stubborn to admit he needs help psychologically

It's a shame, as in terms of talent and dedication, i think he can win a Slam.

Serve_Ace
06-13-2011, 07:44 AM
It's just pressure, Murray responds that way because he feels the need to win. So if Murray just plays for fun like he does in practice he can do it. I don't like hearing people saying that he needs to play his best tennis, even though they are tennis pros it doesn't mean they have an on and off switch where they can magically play their best tennis at will.

citrixscu
06-13-2011, 07:46 AM
He needs to yell at his camp a bit more between points. That seems to really get his game going.

Sentinel
06-13-2011, 07:53 AM
He just needs to show up at SW19.

Oceansize
06-13-2011, 07:57 AM
With regards to Murray needing a bit of luck with the draw, i don't fancy his chances against Fed, Nadal, Djokovic or Delpo in a Slam Final, as they are all mentally stronger than him. Seeing as the last 25 Slams have all been won by one of these four players, he's going to have to get really lucky with the draw. In reality, the odds are, if he gets to more Slam Finals, one of these four will be his opponent.

Fedex
06-13-2011, 08:08 AM
With regards to Murray needing a bit of luck with the draw, i don't fancy his chances against Fed, Nadal, Djokovic or Delpo in a Slam Final, as they are all mentally stronger than him. Seeing as the last 25 Slams have all been won by one of these four players, he's going to have to get really lucky with the draw. In reality, the odds are, if he gets to more Slam Finals, one of these four will be his opponent.

Sure but he'll have a better chance now because he is mentally stronger.
And he's in very good form.
Murray's consistently getting to Slam Finals and Semis and you can see he's getting better and stronger.
You can't ask much more from the guy, and if that's not good enough then c'est la vie.
Only time will tell.

miyagi
06-13-2011, 08:21 AM
It's ALL mental given the right circumstances I believe he could win. But the probability of it is that he will face one of the top 3 and they all have more experience than him so will be calmer and be more likely to perform at a higher level.

But you have to hope he either meets someone inferior in the final or he plays lights out against one of the big 3!

SStrikerR
06-13-2011, 08:26 AM
he will never win a slam.

to win slams u need a good forehand. murray doesnt have that.

gasquet, nalbandian, murray all have the same problem.
weak forehands

Hi, my name is Marat Safin.

Gorecki
06-13-2011, 08:27 AM
What Murray has to do?

he must do the loco-motion...

Fedex
06-13-2011, 08:40 AM
What Murray has to do?

he must do the loco-motion...

If Murray never wins a Slam then he will NEVER win a slam (see Hindsight Bias).

If Murray wins a Slam then he will have won a Slam (see Hindsight Bias).

Oceansize
06-13-2011, 08:41 AM
Sure but he'll have a better chance now because he is mentally stronger.
And he's in very good form.
Murray's consistently getting to Slam Finals and Semis and you can see he's getting better and stronger.
You can't ask much more from the guy, and if that's not good enough then c'est la vie.
Only time will tell.

I'm not so sure about him getting mentally stronger. In his match against Tipsarevic a few days back, he was swearing and shouting at his team about some insignificant point, and let it affect him negatively for the next few points, and lost his service game as a result. It's this type of thing he still needs to work on.

Gorecki
06-13-2011, 09:08 AM
If Murray never wins a Slam then he will NEVER win a slam (see Hindsight Bias).

If Murray wins a Slam then he will have won a Slam (see Hindsight Bias).

therefore Murray will be 100% victorious in his victories.

Fedex
06-13-2011, 11:22 AM
therefore Murray will be 100% victorious in his victories.

Ye know too much!
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TTMR
06-13-2011, 11:29 AM
With regards to Murray needing a bit of luck with the draw, i don't fancy his chances against Fed, Nadal, Djokovic or Delpo in a Slam Final, as they are all mentally stronger than him. Seeing as the last 25 Slams have all been won by one of these four players, he's going to have to get really lucky with the draw. In reality, the odds are, if he gets to more Slam Finals, one of these four will be his opponent.

I don't see Del Potro beating Murray on grass. The other three slams, sure.

NadalAgassi
06-13-2011, 11:39 AM
I don't see Del Potro beating Murray on grass. The other three slams, sure.

Del Potro would never be in a Wimbeldon final so your point is moot.

Fedex
06-13-2011, 12:19 PM
Del Potro would never be in a Wimbeldon final so your point is moot.

First you say Murray will never win a Slam then you say Del Potro will NEVER be a Wimbledon finalist.
You pick some damn good players to say NEVER about.
If you talk about you or I then you can safely say NEVER but to pick a 3 times Slam finalist and 3 times Slam Semi finalist plus a Slam winner at an average age of 23 to NEVER reach the final of Wimbledon?!
Maybe you should start using the words "I think" before NEVER then I will respect your opinions more which is what they are.
Opinions not facts.

Fedex
06-13-2011, 12:41 PM
I'm not so sure about him getting mentally stronger. In his match against Tipsarevic a few days back, he was swearing and shouting at his team about some insignificant point, and let it affect him negatively for the next few points, and lost his service game as a result. It's this type of thing he still needs to work on.

I think this is his way of letting off steam. He needs to vent in some way.
It doesn't look great though I agree.
The main point is that Murray's play on court is much more positive.
What I've noticed is that he can keep up a high level of play throughout whole matches without the destructuve dips he used to have.
That's a significant change for Murray and the required ingredient to give himself a much better chance of winning Slams.

syc23
06-13-2011, 01:15 PM
Did someone mention Murray doesn't have a forehand?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzsJFxwo1sY

It's the bits between his ears that has prevented him from winning a slam so far. He has the shots, just needs to toughen up much like Delpo when he slugged it out with Fed at USO '09.

Gorecki
06-13-2011, 01:18 PM
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bolo
06-13-2011, 01:19 PM
murray is ranked 61 in terms of winning his 2nd serve points.

Oceansize
06-13-2011, 01:33 PM
I think this is his way of letting off steam. He needs to vent in some way.
It doesn't look great though I agree.
The main point is that Murray's play on court is much more positive. What I've noticed is that he can keep up a high level of play throughout whole matches without the destructuve dips he used to have.
That's a significant change for Murray and the required ingredient to give himself a much better chance of winning Slams.

Although he's looked good lately, i think he's had many periods of playing this well over the last 4 years. Therefore, until i see him cut out the histrionics that were present again against Tipsarevic, i'm still not too keen on his chances in the Slams.

Backhanded Compliment
06-13-2011, 02:14 PM
He has to learn how to use his rage in a way that focuses his play not derail it. Sure improvement on the forehand and 2nd serve would be nice but not crucial.

Watch Mac footage from 1984... not for the play but for the mental sharpening. Murray cant help but be critical of himself but there is a way to make it work for you.

Fedex
06-13-2011, 02:27 PM
Although he's looked good lately, i think he's had many periods of playing this well over the last 4 years. Therefore, until i see him cut out the histrionics that were present again against Tipsarevic, i'm still not too keen on his chances in the Slams.

Maybe. Maybe.
Wimbledon and the USO will be an indication of whether he has really improved and learnt to control and harness his rage.
We'll soon enough find out.

NadalAgassi
06-13-2011, 02:31 PM
Maybe you should start using the words "I think" before NEVER then I will respect your opinions more which is what they are.


The fact you actually somehow think I worry or care what you think of my opinion on anything is rich. :lol:

Fedex
06-13-2011, 02:42 PM
The fact you actually somehow think I worry or care what you think of my opinion on anything is rich. :lol:

Then why are you on the forums?
And why are you replying to me?

Netzroller
06-13-2011, 03:00 PM
Did someone mention Murray doesn't have a forehand?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzsJFxwo1sY

It's the bits between his ears that has prevented him from winning a slam so far. He has the shots, just needs to toughen up much like Delpo when he slugged it out with Fed at USO '09.
Holy Crap:shock:

But yeah, it definitely is about what's between his ears...

kishnabe
06-13-2011, 04:36 PM
He needs to play Henman in a final!

rossi46
06-13-2011, 06:43 PM
Needs to leave mummy at home

boris becker 1
06-13-2011, 06:49 PM
serve 65% or better vs fed or nadal.

dictate. look to set up his backhand down the line.

dont overuse the dropshot.


stay focused.................


he has to realize he has 5 years left to win this...

1970CRBase
06-13-2011, 06:53 PM
Like many people, I once thought he was underachieving. Quite the opposite really. He's doing just fine http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Sentinel
06-14-2011, 05:20 AM
Needs to leave mummy at home
He carries a mummy along with him :confused:

I am sure I thought I saw Kim Sears moving. Or maybe she was just shaking.

NadalAgassi
06-14-2011, 10:22 AM
Then why are you on the forums?
And why are you replying to me?

There are peoples opinions I am interested in. Just not yours. And in case you havent noticed yet I ignore virtually all of your respones to me while you track me around like a dog and respond after every post I make complaining. Talk about a pathetic stalker loser. I only responded to this last one to try and help your thick skull get the clue I dont give a diddley squat what you think of my opinions.

Gorecki
06-14-2011, 10:24 AM
There are peoples opinions I am interested in. Just not yours. And I ignore the vast majority of your respones to me while you track me around like a dog and respond after every post I make complaining. Talk about a pathetic stalker loser.

you have a file on him too? :twisted:

pingu
06-14-2011, 11:35 AM
He simply needs to get his head into it... and find passion to win. He always gives up when the going gets tough (poor body language, yelling obscenities to his camp, etc.)

Agree with this 100 %. The guy just does not have a strong mental and gives up too easy.

Sreeram
06-14-2011, 12:40 PM
No way Murray has the best thinking head and shot selection than anyone. His game is fully mental game and that is his problem as well. During GS finals his brain stops working in tension like anyother human being and once that brain thing is taken away from his game, his game is actually not strong enough against top 3. He should start mixing up agressive play and mind play in matches. Just mind play will win him matches but not GS.

Fedex
06-14-2011, 02:33 PM
There are peoples opinions I am interested in. Just not yours. And in case you havent noticed yet I ignore virtually all of your respones to me while you track me around like a dog and respond after every post I make complaining. Talk about a pathetic stalker loser. I only responded to this last one to try and help your thick skull get the clue I dont give a diddley squat what you think of my opinions.

Oh my sweet Personality Disordered NA.
That's the nicest thing you've ever said to me.

Mainad
06-14-2011, 02:50 PM
Oh my sweet Personality Disordered NA.
That's the nicest thing you've ever said to me.

I'll bet he/she suffers from some form of Tourette's.Probably means to say nice,complimentary things but it just comes out all wrong.What a shame! :lol: