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ark_28
06-19-2011, 03:03 AM
I remember back in 2001, when Henman was playing he said, Henman will walk it to the final and so will Agassi and that Henman would be too strong for the American and that England will be partying for a long time!

Then the following year granted Hewitt had not won Wimbledon but he was the world number 1 and had won Queens the last 3 years yet Lloyd said that.

"It is not just because we want Tim but I mean there is no one else apart from him who could win it, maybe Philippousis as an outsider but that is all".

Hewitt went on to beat Henman in the Semis and win the title.

Murray is of course a much better player than Henman stats wise and he is a contender this year and while does say that Only 3 guys can stop him (I do not agree with that opinon but respect it)

He goes on to add that it does not matter how well Federer Nadal and Novak play but that it is all in Murray's hands.

This guy is a terrible pundit, biased at best clueless and disrespctful at worst

Legend of Borg
06-19-2011, 03:05 AM
I think him and Andrew Castle do an admirable job at commentating.

You know who else they should get in the studio with them?

Stephen Fry. :)

batz
06-19-2011, 03:09 AM
I remember back in 2001, when Henman was playing he said, Henman will walk it to the final and so will Agassi and that Henman would be too strong for the American and that England will be partying for a long time!

Then the following year granted Hewitt had not won Wimbledon but he was the world number 1 and had won Queens the last 3 years yet Lloyd said that.

"It is not just because we want Tim but I mean there is no one else apart from him who could win it, maybe Philippousis as an outsider but that is all".

Hewitt went on to beat Henman in the Semis and win the title.

Murray is of course a much better player than Henman stats wise and he is a contender this year and while does say that Only 3 guys can stop him (I do not agree with that opinon but respect it)

He goes on to add that it does not matter how well Federer Nadal and Novak play but that it is all in Murray's hands.

This guy is a terrible pundit, biased at best clueless and disrespctful at worst

Where does he say this? Flossie and Murray don't get on that well any more since Murray wouldn't play DC for him for a while.

ark_28
06-19-2011, 03:26 AM
Where does he say this? Flossie and Murray don't get on that well any more since Murray wouldn't play DC for him for a while.

Batz here was the article!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-2005302/WIMBLEDON-2011-Andy-Murray-win-says-John-Lloyd.html

and this is the paragraph I was referring to.
I think those three are the only ones with a hope of denying Murray over the next fortnight — and they are destined to fail if Murray’s mind is in the right place, because he has the game to take the British public on a magical journey.

sarmpas
06-19-2011, 03:41 AM
I think him and Andrew Castle do an admirable job at commentating.

You know who else they should get in the studio with them?

Stephen Fry. :)

Chris Bradnam is more objective than both those brown nosers combined however Bradnam is too objective and speaks his mind too much for the tennis establishment's liking.

For support Mark Petchey is a whole lot more objective than Lloyd and Castle. However coaching commitments may rule him out.

I remember years ago the press ran a story whereby Cash was told to be less honest during his BBC Wimbledon TV slots.

batz
06-19-2011, 05:05 AM
Batz here was the article!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-2005302/WIMBLEDON-2011-Andy-Murray-win-says-John-Lloyd.html

and this is the paragraph I was referring to.

Thanks Ark

Mustard
06-19-2011, 05:26 AM
What I remember from 2001 Wimbledon in regards to John Lloyd, is how he wrote off Goran Ivanisevic in every match he had from the third round onwards. It was annoying to listen to such negativity when I was cheering on Goran to win the whole thing in blind hope.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/in_depth/2001/wimbledon_2001/expert_views/1416728.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/in_depth/2001/wimbledon_2001/expert_views/1419335.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/in_depth/2001/wimbledon_2001/expert_views/1429282.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/in_depth/2001/wimbledon_2001/expert_views/1431039.stm

Cesc Fabregas
06-19-2011, 05:48 AM
John Lloyd and Andrew Castle are awful, aswell as Chris Bradnam and Jo Durie. The best commentators on British tv are Wilander and Frew McMillan.

Mustard
06-19-2011, 05:51 AM
The best commentators on British tv are Wilander and Frew McMillan.

It's a pity that Jimmy Connors isn't on British TV any more. Wilander and McMillan are very good, I agree.

Mustard
06-19-2011, 06:00 AM
He goes on to add that it does not matter how well Federer Nadal and Novak play but that it is all in Murray's hands.

Lloyd's attitude is also setting up Murray for a fall should he fail to win Wimbledon. It's best to take the Nadal approach of talking up Murray's rivals in public while being quietly confident that Murray can win. They never learn at Wimbledon, though. As the old saying goes, they learn nothing and forget everything. Murray, to his credit, seems to be taking the right attitude in refusing to even think about a semi final against Nadal at this stage. He seems focused on Gimeno-Traver, and rightly so.

At slams, it's all about staying in the present and not getting carried away with the possible future or worrying about the recent past.

Feña14
06-19-2011, 06:44 AM
John Lloyd and Andrew Castle are awful. At the final of Queens, Andrew Castle was talking about how he was looking forward to the Wimbledon draw being made on Thursday :rolleyes:

They also talk to you like you're simpletons. I know alot of the people watching Wimbledon are the 2 week a year tennis fans, so they cater the coverage towards them. I just prefer Eurosport or Sky Sports commentators who you listen to every few weeks, they talk about the game from a much more interesting perspective and make you think.

Mark Petchey, Peter Fleming and Frew McMillan are the best by a mile.

rovex
06-19-2011, 06:46 AM
Wilander the best? Lol.

Legend of Borg
06-19-2011, 06:48 AM
I don't have SkySports and EuroSport only comes with the SkySports package. :neutral:

Castle and Lloyd are the only commentators I CAN listen to.

jones101
06-19-2011, 06:56 AM
I don't have SkySports and EuroSport only comes with the SkySports package. :neutral:

Castle and Lloyd are the only commentators I CAN listen to.

Dont like Castle too much but Sam Smith and John Lloyd are a good team IMO.

Mainad
06-19-2011, 07:07 AM
Don't like ANY of the BBC commentating team.They all come across to me as smug,vacuous and condescending (Lloyd and Castle) or just plain irritating (Sue Barker).

Give me Sky and Eurosport commentators any day.I particularly like Chris Bradnam!

Comet Buster
06-19-2011, 07:07 AM
I remember John Lloyd, Sue Barker and Andrew Castle jerking off to how this is the strongest era ever. I only get annoyed by their opinions because idiots listen to them and believe they are right.





I just listen to Nirvana/music on my ipod when watching tennis on the BBC. They are all as daft as a brush. Except for Boris Becker. He's good.

Mainad
06-19-2011, 07:08 AM
I don't have SkySports and EuroSport only comes with the SkySports package. :neutral:

Castle and Lloyd are the only commentators I CAN listen to.

What a shame! :(

ark_28
06-19-2011, 11:21 PM
Lloyd's attitude is also setting up Murray for a fall should he fail to win Wimbledon. It's best to take the Nadal approach of talking up Murray's rivals in public while being quietly confident that Murray can win. They never learn at Wimbledon, though. As the old saying goes, they learn nothing and forget everything. Murray, to his credit, seems to be taking the right attitude in refusing to even think about a semi final against Nadal at this stage. He seems focused on Gimeno-Traver, and rightly so.

At slams, it's all about staying in the present and not getting carried away with the possible future or worrying about the recent past.

totally agree with you.

In particular the many 2 week fans in England who jump on the band wagon suddenly they will hear all this talk of how Murray should cruise to the title,and then when/if he doesnt they will take it out on him.

Murray himself to his credit seems to have the right attitude, I actually think he is sometimes embarrassed by the likes of Castle and Lloyd and what they have to say.

Feña14
06-20-2011, 12:11 AM
totally agree with you.

In particular the many 2 week fans in England who jump on the band wagon suddenly they will hear all this talk of how Murray should cruise to the title,and then when/if he doesnt they will take it out on him.

Murray himself to his credit seems to have the right attitude, I actually think he is sometimes embarrassed by the likes of Castle and Lloyd and what they have to say.

I think that's spot on, no doubt.

Some of the best commentary I hear at Wimbledon is on the outside courts via the red button. In past years they've had Frew McMillan and Peter Fleming doing the less attractive matches and they're head and shoulders better than the 'elite' commentators that get all the big matches.