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sberman51
07-16-2011, 02:21 PM
I recently got Tennis Elbow, and am now needing to switch strings. Of the strings listed in the poll, which do you think is best for Tennis Elbow? Also, in the posting section, please post the reason for your string choice in the poll. Also, which string do you think is the best string in general, and why.

Thanks in advance!

Tennis Is Magic
07-16-2011, 02:27 PM
I recently got Tennis Elbow, and am now needing to switch strings. Of the strings listed in the poll, which do you think is best for Tennis Elbow? Also, in the posting section, please post the reason for your string choice in the poll. Also, which string do you think is the best string in general, and why.

Thanks in advance!

Natural gut, because it's natural gut.

inb4poll

Up&comer
07-16-2011, 02:49 PM
I recently got Tennis Elbow, and am now needing to switch strings. Of the strings listed in the poll, which do you think is best for Tennis Elbow? Also, in the posting section, please post the reason for your string choice in the poll. Also, which string do you think is the best string in general, and why.

Thanks in advance!

Mcs is one of the softest strings you can get except natural gut.


Its always noticeable when you have a concern because you ask for tips on several different threads.

Next time you have an issue, it would be much more convenient for you and all tt members if you keep all questions about one topic in one thread. Thanks.

Anyway, mcs does have awful durability even as a cross string. In a full bed i broke it in a little over an hour.

It's low powered, muted, and soft.

flashfire276
07-16-2011, 02:55 PM
Comfort Synthetic.
Also, look into Technifibre NRG2.

sberman51
07-16-2011, 03:06 PM
Mcs is one of the softest strings you can get except natural gut.


Its always noticeable when you have a concern because you ask for tips on several different threads.

Next time you have an issue, it would be much more convenient for you and all tt members if you keep all questions about one topic in one thread. Thanks.

Anyway, mcs does have awful durability even as a cross string. In a full bed i broke it in a little over an hour.

It's low powered, muted, and soft.

I see you use BHBR. How long does it take you to break a full-bed of BHBR? Also what gauge are you using? I am wondering so I can relate how fast we break strings and make a guess-timate of how long a full-bed of MCS will last me.
Thanks!

sberman51
07-16-2011, 03:06 PM
Let's keep the poll and posts going!

mikeler
07-16-2011, 03:21 PM
Comfort Synthetic.
Also, look into Technifibre NRG2.


MCS is much softer than NRG2.

sberman51
07-16-2011, 03:26 PM
If you all like MCS, why aren't you putting so on the poll? Do you all think it is tied with another string? If so, please say so on the posts, as I am curious to know.
Thanks!

fgs
07-16-2011, 03:46 PM
the mcs is the only string i have played with from the ones you mentioned on the poll. as i have no comparison i wouldn't find it fair to vote. my answer would be as relevant and eventually misleading as if i would say that 17gauge electrical cable would be good for te.
those having played the strings mentioned in the poll should answer. maybe not all, but at least more than one.:)

Up&comer
07-16-2011, 03:47 PM
I see you use BHBR. How long does it take you to break a full-bed of BHBR? Also what gauge are you using? I am wondering so I can relate how fast we break strings and make a guess-timate of how long a full-bed of MCS will last me.
Thanks!

I break a full bed of bhbr in about 4-5 hours. I break most multis/synthetics at around 1 1/2 hours, and i break hybrids at about to 3 hour mark. The gut saws right through the mains.

17 gauge poly and 16 gauge gut.

Djlpenguin
07-16-2011, 03:51 PM
If you all like MCS, why aren't you putting so on the poll? Do you all think it is tied with another string? If so, please say so on the posts, as I am curious to know.
Thanks!

It's Mantis Comfort Synthetic. ;) dont worry, i've been there...

sberman51
07-16-2011, 05:04 PM
I see someone chose Gamma Live Wire 17. What made you choose this string over the others?
Thanks!

pvaudio
07-16-2011, 05:29 PM
MCS, then Gamma Professional 17. Both are excellent strings, but Professional is very much overpriced. If it cost as much as regular Live Wire or even around 12 bucks tops, then it'd be a good buy (considering NRG2 is higher yet).

sberman51
07-16-2011, 05:37 PM
MCS, then Gamma Professional 17. Both are excellent strings, but Professional is very much overpriced. If it cost as much as regular Live Wire or even around 12 bucks tops, then it'd be a good buy (considering NRG2 is higher yet).

If price was irrelavent, which would you choose?

mikeler
07-16-2011, 06:06 PM
If price was irrelavent, which would you choose?


Just buy Mantis Comfort and end the thread. I'm not voting on a poll like this unless I have tried every string on the list.

sberman51
07-16-2011, 06:11 PM
To those who chose Gamma Live Wire 17 and Gamma Professional 17, please post why you chose that string. It will be very influential in my decision.
Thanks!

sberman51
07-16-2011, 06:22 PM
Just buy Mantis Comfort and end the thread. I'm not voting on a poll like this unless I have tried every string on the list.

Ok, but I am wondering why MCS is so cheap? Are Gamma Live Wire or Gamma Professional better than MCS? Also, I was wondering if using a vibration dampener would Take away some of the effects of the string. i.e., softness, special characteristics, feel, ect.
Thanks!

Up&comer
07-16-2011, 07:08 PM
Just buy Mantis Comfort and end the thread.

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JavierLW
07-16-2011, 07:10 PM
None of these!!!!!

These are all bad choices for Tennis Elbow.

Go with a softer multi, or best of all is always Natural Gut!

Up&comer
07-16-2011, 07:18 PM
None of these!!!!!

These are all bad choices for Tennis Elbow.

Go with a softer multi, or best of all is always Natural Gut!

I cant think of a softer multi than mcs other than maybe xcel premium.

pvaudio
07-16-2011, 07:25 PM
Ok, but I am wondering why MCS is so cheap? Are Gamma Live Wire or Gamma Professional better than MCS? Also, I was wondering if using a vibration dampener would Take away some of the effects of the string. i.e., softness, special characteristics, feel, ect.
Thanks!Doesn't matter why it's so cheap (it really isn't...). It's just good. It does not have much power, however. And no one can say if they're better. MCS is definitely more comfortable, but the playability of Professional is higher. MCS is natural gut made from synthetic fibers, but it does not have the great usable power that gut does. Professional, however, is the opposite: not exactly gut like feel, but has power akin to natural gut.

blackfrido
07-16-2011, 07:26 PM
Luxilon Big Banger, best string for tennis elbow.....

mikeler
07-16-2011, 08:08 PM
I cant think of a softer multi than mcs other than maybe xcel premium.


These are the two softest to me also.

sberman51
07-16-2011, 08:20 PM
Doesn't matter why it's so cheap (it really isn't...). It's just good. It does not have much power, however. And no one can say if they're better. MCS is definitely more comfortable, but the playability of Professional is higher. MCS is natural gut made from synthetic fibers, but it does not have the great usable power that gut does. Professional, however, is the opposite: not exactly gut like feel, but has power akin to natural gut.

Ah, I never knew that MCS was natural gut. Which is softer on the arm for Tennis Elbow, though?
Thanks!

OneMoreShot
07-16-2011, 08:49 PM
MCS is natural gut made from synthetic fibers

Doesn't this make it synthetic gut. :confused: I think you confused the OP.

joshj2112
07-16-2011, 09:02 PM
Isospeed is easily the most arm friendly string I have ever used. It has extremely soft feel and is very close to natural gut

parasailing
07-16-2011, 10:10 PM
None of these strings listed is close to natural gut in feel and comfort. Mantis Comfort is a good multi but it's not natural gut.

Why is the majority of the strings on this poll Gamma strings? There are other strings out there that offer better comfort for the elbow than the ones listed.

BreakPoint
07-16-2011, 11:18 PM
Ok, but I am wondering why MCS is so cheap? Are Gamma Live Wire or Gamma Professional better than MCS? Also, I was wondering if using a vibration dampener would Take away some of the effects of the string. i.e., softness, special characteristics, feel, ect.
Thanks!
When it comes to tennis strings (and many other things in life), price is like the least indicator of quality and performance. Heck, I find some of the cheapest strings to be the best performers. For example, I find Gosen OS Sheep Micro to be one of the best strings at any price and it costs like $2.00 a stringjob in a reel, whereas I found Wilson K-Gut Pro to be one of the worst strings ever and that cost like $23 a stringjob. I also find Prince Syn Gut Multi to perform much better than most other multis that costs well over twice the price.

BreakPoint
07-16-2011, 11:19 PM
None of these!!!!!

These are all bad choices for Tennis Elbow.

Go with a softer multi, or best of all is always Natural Gut!
If there's a softer multi than MCS on the market, I've never experienced it. Please do tell us what that is.

BreakPoint
07-16-2011, 11:23 PM
None of these strings listed is close to natural gut in feel and comfort. Mantis Comfort is a good multi but it's not natural gut.

Why is the majority of the strings on this poll Gamma strings? There are other strings out there that offer better comfort for the elbow than the ones listed.
I suspect the OP has some deal with Gamma to get them free or at a discount.

If you go a search, I think you'll find that the general consensus is that Gamma strings have some of the worst price/performance as compared to its competitors. Many think they are all crap.

MambaT
07-17-2011, 05:31 AM
Please do yourself a favor an investigate the reasons for your tennis elbow. Tennis elbow is not a disease that you 'catch' (a number of posters have said they 'got' tennis elbow last year or last month). It is typically the symptom of a muscle condition resulting sometimes from string selection, but mostly from technique (my experience... I am NOT a doctor).

Find The Trigger Point Therapy Workbook at Amazon or your local library and read about what causes tennis elbow and other muscle related issues. It literally saved me from surgery and it costs less that a pack of ALU Rough.

Up&comer
07-17-2011, 10:43 AM
^^ agreed. Tennis elbow is generally caused by flawed technique if it just pops up all of a sudden. That being said, don't have poly in your racket for more than 10 hours of hitting.

aggietex08
07-17-2011, 08:43 PM
Even though I am obviously out numbered here, I did not like MCS. I think ISOSPEED Professional Classic 17 to be the softest string I have tried. It just feels so good.

pvaudio
07-17-2011, 09:14 PM
I didn't say that I liked it either. I simply said that it fits his description. It's far from one of my favorite strings, although I do feel Professional is quite good (stupidly overpriced though).

COPEY
07-17-2011, 09:43 PM
I didn't say that I liked it either. I simply said that it fits his description. It's far from one of my favorite strings, although I do feel Professional is quite good (stupidly overpriced though).


It's a buck more than MCS per set.

mikeler
07-18-2011, 05:43 AM
It's a buck more than MCS per set.


The MCS reel is much cheaper but the packs are not much different.

pvaudio
07-18-2011, 09:14 AM
It's a buck more than MCS per set.
It's more than twice the price:

MCS:
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Mantis_Comfort_Synthetic_16_String/descpageACMANTIS-MCS16.html $9

Gamma Professional:
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Gamma_Professional_16_String/descpageACGAMMA-GLWPRO16.html $19.95

COPEY
07-18-2011, 09:28 AM
Even though I am obviously out numbered here, I did not like MCS. I think ISOSPEED Professional Classic 17 to be the softest string I have tried. It just feels so good.

"Classic" is the operative word, I believe. Moreover, I thought we were talking about "ISOSPEED", not Gamma. If I missed something, then I certainly apologize for the oversight.

pvaudio
07-18-2011, 09:57 AM
Ahh, gotcha. I didn't even read that part of his post since the thread's poll only mentions Gamma Professional. I understand now :)

coloskier
07-18-2011, 10:06 AM
Speaking from experience, and also reading every post in Mikeler's Multi's, :-) I would like to add Head RIP Control.

mikeler
07-18-2011, 01:53 PM
Speaking from experience, and also reading every post in Mikeler's Multi's, :-) I would like to add Head RIP Control.


RIP is kind of on the stiffer end of multis for me.

sberman51
07-18-2011, 03:10 PM
MCS is so incredibly soft! It really doesn't even feel that soft, but actually very crisp and nice! It is amazingly soft on the arm without being "mushy." I highly recommend this as a Must Try to anyone with arm pain or discomfort.
Does my description sound accurate compared to the experiences of others?
Thanks!

wao
07-18-2011, 03:26 PM
Natural gut, because it's natural gut.

inb4pollGUT, NGR is probably one of the softer multi's IMO.

mikeler
07-18-2011, 03:49 PM
MCS is so incredibly soft! It really doesn't even feel that soft, but actually very crisp and nice! It is amazingly soft on the arm without being "mushy." I highly recommend this as a Must Try to anyone with arm pain or discomfort.
Does my description sound accurate compared to the experiences of others?
Thanks!

It is a good kind of mushy IMO. Very unique string for sure.

fortun8son
07-18-2011, 04:15 PM
Dunlop Comfort Synthetic is very similar to MCS in comfort and performance and is still available at a low price.
I've mentioned this before. The founder of Mantis used to be a top exec at Dunlop and took this design with him.
MCS is really an updated DCS(aka Comfort Max)
You might also consider TF Multifeel.
P.S. No-one ever mentions grip size or a worn grip surface as a factor in TE.
Squeezing too hard can cause this.
I've gotten it from holding a guitar pick!

fortun8son
07-18-2011, 04:25 PM
MCS is natural gut made from synthetic fibers

MCS is constructed with a microfibre core and a single wrap with coatings as is Dunlop Comfort Synthetic and Alpha 2000.
The closest multis to Natural (structurally) would probably be NXT or X-1 Biphase.

pvaudio
07-18-2011, 04:36 PM
And yet neither plays remotely similarly. NXT does, however, have extraordinary feel.

sberman51
07-21-2011, 10:41 AM
Has anyone had any experience with Wilson Shock Shield?

mikeler
07-21-2011, 10:46 AM
Has anyone had any experience with Wilson Shock Shield?


Shock Shield was very stiff and had even less power than MCS so you really had to swing like crazy to get the ball to do anything. I would avoid it, they totally missed the mark on that string.

hebrewhammer
07-21-2011, 11:03 AM
^^^
Never used shock shield but I would assume it is like a stiff, crisp hollow pro core because of similar construction. Suspicion confirmed

FedFollow
07-21-2011, 01:30 PM
If you have not seen a doctor, preferrably an ortho specialist, you should. I saw an arm specialists and he prescribed therapy with a Flexbar made by Thera Band, 18$ on Amazon. Works for me. Dunlop Silk was painful before and now I can comfortably play Black Venom. Let a Doc take a look.

hrstrat57
07-21-2011, 05:57 PM
I voted LW pro 17.....on suggestion of my stringer I just had installed in one of my i Prestige MP's at 57 #

My poll choice is not really valid tho as the only string I have used otherwise in the last 6 yrs has been Intellitour or occasionally gut (usually BDE Rally gut)

It is nearly as soft feeling as gut with a lot of bite on the ball.....but for t/e I would always choose natty gut over anything else.

Natty gut strung mid range on your frames should solve your problem.

First get some r.i.c.e. and get healthy..... a bad dose of t/e is not to be messed with.

(since switching to Head MP 18x20 frames strung midrange I have never had another problem with any injury resulting from hitting tennis balls)

My normal choice has been Head Intellitour.....went to the LW pro 17 in search of a little more ball bite and it has delivered so far.

kiteboard
07-21-2011, 07:40 PM
Ice elbow daily. Buy a tenex impact absorber. Use gut/nrg2 hybrid. Buy a flex bar, and use it nightly and beat the elbow with it also. When we get injured, not only is the body hurt, but the energy field around the injury is hurt as well. Kick start it with electroshock, or beating it helps. If you only deal with the injury without the field, it will reoccur easily.

Up&comer
07-22-2011, 04:13 AM
^^ the "energy field"?

sberman51
07-22-2011, 02:25 PM
My MCS setup broke before a match. I then needed to use my Live Wire 17 setup and I must say that MCS is definately softer on the arm. My serve had incredible spin with MCS which surprised me, because I have read comments about MCS being low on spin generation/potential. I like the setup alot, but I'm wondering, does it plays very differently in black? If it is stiffer, does that mean it will be worse for my arm than the natural color? If anyone has tried both, please give me your full imput on how they differ in each category.
Thanks!

mikeler
07-22-2011, 02:34 PM
MCS has decent spin for a multi.

sberman51
07-22-2011, 03:00 PM
MCS has decent spin for a multi.

I know you're a big user of MCS. Have you tried it in black?

pvaudio
07-22-2011, 03:02 PM
Ice elbow daily. Buy a tenex impact absorber. Use gut/nrg2 hybrid. Buy a flex bar, and use it nightly and beat the elbow with it also. When we get injured, not only is the body hurt, but the energy field around the injury is hurt as well. Kick start it with electroshock, or beating it helps. If you only deal with the injury without the field, it will reoccur easily.
I'm sorry, but what is this homeopathic nonsense?

Up&comer
07-22-2011, 03:04 PM
I'm sorry, but what is this homeopathic nonsense?

Hehe.

Sounds like your energy field is out of whack.

I kid. Yeah, he's talking nonsense.

stoo
07-22-2011, 03:19 PM
I had brutal tennis elbow for the better part of a season. At the end of last year, I rested it for 2 months then went on a weight program of bench press and barbell curls to build up strength in my arms and shoulders. Started back playing this spring with a full bed of Head Rip Control 16 @ 57 lbs in my Aerogel 200's and by the time the summer season got here I was back to MSV Hex 17 in the mains and PSGD 16 in the crosses at 57/56 lbs without a hint of pain anywhere in my elbow.

pvaudio
07-22-2011, 03:22 PM
sberman, I thought you were playing with BHBR?

Up&comer
07-22-2011, 04:40 PM
sberman, I thought you were playing with BHBR?

He was. He then proceeded to keep it in there for like 45 hours of hitting.

Now he freaks out because his arm is sore. The likely result is because of the dead poly.

He needs to rest for a week or two and keep fresh stringjobs in there.

got spin?
07-22-2011, 04:47 PM
Wilson Shock shield is by far the best. I always recommend to older players (55+) or younger players with tennis elbow. Durability is lacking but its worth the extra 3 more or so string jobs than elbow surgery, right?

Fuji
07-22-2011, 04:55 PM
I'm a big fan of Head Rip Control at mid tension and below. It's a bit on the stiffer side for a multi, but it's still pretty soft and comfortable! Great spin and good control! :)

-Fuji

fortun8son
07-22-2011, 11:55 PM
Buy a reel of MCS.
String it up.
Repeat as necessary.
Keep your grips fresh.
Your grip and technique affects TE as much as your strings.

sberman51
07-23-2011, 07:20 AM
Buy a reel of MCS.
String it up.
Repeat as necessary.
Keep your grips fresh.
Your grip and technique affects TE as much as your strings.

I was actually about to purchase a reel of MCS in black before I saw this.
I didn't know that having fresh grips can inprove tennis elbow. I'm using Yonex Super Grap. Is that ok?

I spoke with someone at TW and they said they have heard that the black is a little bit stiffer than the natural, but only for the first outing or "break-in." I asked if it would decrease the break-in time if I strung it the night before and both bounced the ball and tapped the strings a little bit, and they replied yes. I then proceeded to say that I could noticably feel the difference in comfort between MCS and Live Wire. I asked if the MCS in black is stiffer than the Live Wire, and they replied that even in black, the MCS in black is still much less stiff than Live Wire. We then talked about string stiffness ratings, such as the ones in RSI magazine and asked about how many points stiffer is the MCS in black than the MCS in natural and they replied it was only about 1 or 2 points stiffer.
I am wondering if this information is accurate, and if it is, am I safe to get the reel in black with tennis elbow.
All opinions on this are welcome.
Thanks in advance!

mikeler
07-23-2011, 10:41 AM
I was actually about to purchase a reel of MCS in black before I saw this.
I didn't know that having fresh grips can inprove tennis elbow. I'm using Yonex Super Grap. Is that ok?

I spoke with someone at TW and they said they have heard that the black is a little bit stiffer than the natural, but only for the first outing or "break-in." I asked if it would decrease the break-in time if I strung it the night before and both bounced the ball and tapped the strings a little bit, and they replied yes. I then proceeded to say that I could noticably feel the difference in comfort between MCS and Live Wire. I asked if the MCS in black is stiffer than the Live Wire, and they replied that even in black, the MCS in black is still much less stiff than Live Wire. We then talked about string stiffness ratings, such as the ones in RSI magazine and asked about how many points stiffer is the MCS in black than the MCS in natural and they replied it was only about 1 or 2 points stiffer.
I am wondering if this information is accurate, and if it is, am I safe to get the reel in black with tennis elbow.
All opinions on this are welcome.
Thanks in advance!


Try a black pack before you buy a reel. Better yet, by the reel in natural color.

BreakPoint
07-23-2011, 11:22 AM
I was actually about to purchase a reel of MCS in black before I saw this.
I didn't know that having fresh grips can inprove tennis elbow. I'm using Yonex Super Grap. Is that ok?

I spoke with someone at TW and they said they have heard that the black is a little bit stiffer than the natural, but only for the first outing or "break-in." I asked if it would decrease the break-in time if I strung it the night before and both bounced the ball and tapped the strings a little bit, and they replied yes. I then proceeded to say that I could noticably feel the difference in comfort between MCS and Live Wire. I asked if the MCS in black is stiffer than the Live Wire, and they replied that even in black, the MCS in black is still much less stiff than Live Wire. We then talked about string stiffness ratings, such as the ones in RSI magazine and asked about how many points stiffer is the MCS in black than the MCS in natural and they replied it was only about 1 or 2 points stiffer.
I am wondering if this information is accurate, and if it is, am I safe to get the reel in black with tennis elbow.
All opinions on this are welcome.
Thanks in advance!
Why not just buy the reel of MCS in natural since you already know how it plays? Why the obsession with black colored strings? :confused:

fgs
07-23-2011, 12:02 PM
overgrips, besides offering (to some) a better touch, also provide some softening or cushioning, and hence vibration reduction. personally i never liked any of these overgrips and much more prefer plain leather, but then i have never had any elbow problems in 40 years of tennis, no matter with what i had to play.
when the grip is worn out, this varies really individually, some go through a grip in one hour, others keep it for 10 hitting hours (my 12 yr old son for instance) or even more, it offers less cushioning and tack. the tighter you have to grip, the more prone you are to get in trouble with your elbow.
therefore also gripsize is an important factor in this equation, but i think that sberman51 has that figured out, so i don't see that as a possible issue.

sberman51
07-23-2011, 12:16 PM
I like black colored strings. Are they that different?

sberman51
07-23-2011, 02:00 PM
I just purchased a reel of MCS in black. I'm getting it by Tuesday!