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travlerajm
08-06-2011, 11:32 PM
The Gamma T-5!

Curiously, the T-5 is the only racquet out there with these specs. And my preferences in racquet taste seem headed in this direction.

Was available brand new for under $72, so I pulled the trigger and ordered one.

Wlll report back details on how it goes.

vincent_tennis
08-06-2011, 11:55 PM
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Goodluck/Enjoy?

pyrokid
08-07-2011, 06:46 AM
What advantages are you trying to get from going stiff? Thought you were still on the flexy kick.

travlerajm
08-07-2011, 11:01 AM
I play a lot of doubles. And when I play singles, I like to feel confident when I come to net. To feel most confident at net, I need to feel like I can thread the needle on volleys. When hitting a low volley from below net level, I like to feel like I can really put some pop on the ball, and stick it hard a few inches above the tape. To do this requires a lot of precision.

The idea volleying racquet is stiff, has a dense stringbed, and has a lot of mass in the head (and even more mass in the handle).

Bud
08-07-2011, 11:05 AM
Pics or it didn't happen ;)

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Also, I don't see them at TW

Bud
08-07-2011, 11:08 AM
A bit like the Pure Drive in shape and specs. I wish the stock PD/APD was 6 pts. HL instead of 4 pts. HL


Gamma CP-900

http://img.tennis-warehouse.com/new_big/CP900-1.jpg

Head Size: 100 sq. in. / 645.16 sq. cm.
Length: 27in / 68.58cm
Strung Weight: 11.4oz / 323.18g
Balance: 6 pts HL
Swingweight: 319
Stiffness: 71
Beam Width: 24mm / 26mm / 22mm /
Composition: Graphite
String Pattern: 16 Mains / 19 Crosses


http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Gamma_CP-900/descpageRCGAMMA-CP900.html

travlerajm
08-07-2011, 11:16 AM
Pics or it didn't happen ;)

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Also, I don't see them at TW
http://www.********sports.com/m/Tennis/Tennis-Racquets/Gamma/p1/Gamma-T-5-T-Five/101312.htm

It looks like a Pure Drive, but with denser string pattern.

Oops. I guess i can't post competitor web pages here. Just do a search for Gamma T-5.

ci2ca
08-07-2011, 11:24 AM
What about the dunlop 200 plus? It's 100 square inches in the head and has 18 mains.

Bud
08-07-2011, 11:25 AM
http://www.********sports.com/m/Tennis/Tennis-Racquets/Gamma/p1/Gamma-T-5-T-Five/101312.htm

It looks like a Pure Drive, but with denser string pattern.

Oops. I guess i can't post competitor web pages here. Just do a search for Gamma T-5.

It states it's 11.5 oz. (strung) and HH :shock:

SW - 355!

That's going to be a beast ;)

travlerajm
08-07-2011, 11:26 AM
What about the dunlop 200 plus? It's 100 square inches in the head and has 18 mains.

I'd prefer a higher stiffness for better precision on serves and volleys. Also, I think paying more than $100 for racquet is silly. :)

travlerajm
08-07-2011, 11:55 AM
It states it's 11.5 oz. (strung) and HH :shock:

SW - 355!

That's going to be a beast ;)

Most sites have the SW spec'd in the 320's. I plan to lead it up to the mass distribution in my signature -- I'm hoping the one I get ends up on the lighter side, since racquets play better for me when I can concentrate a lot of extra mass in the upper half of the hoop.

Steve Huff
08-07-2011, 03:12 PM
That Gamma looks great. I just don't think I can handle a 70+ stiffness frame. I'm sure it would volley great, but not sure my elbow would forgive me. Great graphics though.

travlerajm
08-08-2011, 05:46 PM
That Gamma looks great. I just don't think I can handle a 70+ stiffness frame. I'm sure it would volley great, but not sure my elbow would forgive me. Great graphics though.

In stock form, it might very well be hard on the elbow. But I plan to add plenty of lead to the upper hoop and handle to reach the mass distribution of the racquet in my signature, so it will have enough plow-through to protect even the most fragile elbow.

tennytive
08-09-2011, 06:26 AM
What happened to your ultimate POG LB with all the lead around the hoop and in the handle?

travlerajm
08-09-2011, 06:17 PM
What happened to your ultimate POG LB with all the lead around the hoop and in the handle?

I still have 3 of them. They are great platform frames due to the light hoop weight. But I've learned that I play my best tennis with denser string patterns.

Would love to find a frame as lightweight as the POG LB with a dense pattern.

LeeD
08-09-2011, 06:22 PM
Can you simulate a dense string pattern by adding string a lings? Gotta drop string tension, of course.

travlerajm
08-09-2011, 06:38 PM
Can you simulate a dense string pattern by adding string a lings? Gotta drop string tension, of course.

I find I can simulate a dense pattern by stringing the open pattern extremely tight, but the effect is temporary due to faster tension loss.

With the denser patterns, I can maintain that precise controlled feel for longer without having to restring.

I'm currently restringing my O3 Red at 74 lbs with Kevlar/Poly - even at that tension, the pattern in my Red is so darn open that it eventually softens up beyond my liking.

My Diablo mid, on the other hand, is dense enough that it feels precise for quite a while with Kevlar/poly at 45 lbs.

LeeD
08-09-2011, 06:43 PM
Tight doesn't work for me.
Too harsh, no resilency, strings break, strings lose tension, frames break.
But string a lings, those little string lockers, seem to work if tension is reduced, to keep the ball from flying, to hold the spin of the ball, and to keep the strings from shifting.

Bartelby
08-09-2011, 06:44 PM
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travlerajm
08-10-2011, 05:17 PM
Finally shipped today...

levy1
08-10-2011, 06:17 PM
I play a lot of doubles. And when I play singles, I like to feel confident when I come to net. To feel most confident at net, I need to feel like I can thread the needle on volleys. When hitting a low volley from below net level, I like to feel like I can really put some pop on the ball, and stick it hard a few inches above the tape. To do this requires a lot of precision.

The idea volleying racquet is stiff, has a dense stringbed, and has a lot of mass in the head (and even more mass in the handle).

Great to hear from you. Thanks for all your hard work and sharing of the information.
Being older I am moving from 12.3 oz rackets to around 10.5 and I will lead them up with your information. I have a opportunity to buy a dense string racket, high RA, 10.5oz, 100 head, SW at 310. When you say add a lot of mass to head and handle give me an idea of the weight of lead in both you would use and the placement.
Thanks

forthegame
08-13-2011, 08:52 AM
travlerajm, TW has a T-5 in the "used" section if you're still interested/want a back up...

travlerajm
08-16-2011, 08:24 PM
Delivered today!

Initial impressions and specs to come...

travlerajm
08-16-2011, 08:49 PM
Measured Specs (as delivered strung with Prince Tournament Nylon 15L):

Weight: 11.0 oz. (312g)
Balance: 13.03" (33.1cm)
Swingweight: 323 kg-cm^2
Length: 26-15/16"
Headsize: 101.5 sq.in. (13.25" L x 9.75" W x pi/4, egg shape)
Pattern: 18x19
Distance between 8 center mains: 68mm (very dense!)
Distance between 8 center crosses: 83mm
Beam: constant 23.3mm rounded box
Stiffness: feels like ~68 RA based on bend-against-the-knee test.
Grip size: L4 (an honest 4.5", runs larger than Prince or Wilson).
Grip length: 6.5" (a bit short for a 2hb)
Cosmetics: Gloss black with white & silver trim - quite handsome

Playtests and modifications to follow...

suppawat
08-16-2011, 09:13 PM
Measured Specs (as delivered strung with Prince Tournament Nylon 15L):

Weight: 11.0 oz. (312g)
Balance: 13.03" (33.1cm)
Swingweight: 323 kg-cm^2
Length: 26-15/16"
Headsize: 101.5 sq.in. (13.25" L x 9.75" W x pi/4, egg shape)
Pattern: 18x19
Distance between 8 center mains: 68mm (very dense!)
Distance between 8 center crosses: 83mm
Beam: constant 23.3mm rounded box
Stiffness: feels like ~68 RA based on bend-against-the-knee test.
Grip size: L4 (an honest 4.5", runs larger than Prince or Wilson).
Grip length: 6.5" (a bit short for a 2hb)
Cosmetics: Gloss black with white & silver trim - quite handsome

Playtests and modifications to follow...

My friend is playtesting JHT 012 DC, one of 4 Donnay prototype racquets. I will let you know how it plays. (cannot play so frequently because of daily rain in Bangkok)

head size: 100 sq.in
beam thickness: 24mm
unstrung weight: 310g
stiffness: 68RA
string pattern: 18x19
contruction: box beam
material: dual xenecore

https://byfiles.storage.live.com/y1pqYVkUqM22WrtjIVKBSwANFzveIsgFicBYfFifoDJIhRg9SR-XI90T47kxXXeToAEIqNkakJ9_Zs/JHT012-DC.JPG

travlerajm
08-16-2011, 09:58 PM
Modifications Update:

Pried out staples and replaced short Gamma buttcap with longer and heavier Prince buttcap (from an NXG OS). Packed new buttcap with spacers to extend length to 27.25". Secured new buttcap with several tightly stretched wraps of transparent 2"-wide packing tape. And replaced overly short white Gamma grip with longer black Prince Resi Pro grip.

Current specs:

Length: 27.25"
Weight: 11.4 oz.
Balance: 13.23"
Swingweight: 344 kg-cm^2

Feels much better in the hand now, and looks better proportioned too. All black look is sweet too.

Now that the form mods are out of the way, onward to the lead tape...

travlerajm
08-18-2011, 09:49 PM
Update:

Leaded the T-5 up to 13.5 oz., 12.5", and 363 SW.

Took it out for a hit and tuning session in the racquetball court.

I still had the 15L syn guts strings in there at 60 lbs, and this string accentuated the downside of having a dense pattern in a stiff frame. The srtringbed just didn't grip the ball very well, and the ball seemed to shoot off in a very flat trajectory with low launch angle.

As an aside, I had fresh TNT 16g / Hyperion 16g @ 68 lbs in my leaded-up O3 Red, and it played amazing, with great bite, pinpoint control, and good pop. Supplanting my O3 Red as my primary stick will be a tall order.

So next step is to cut out the 15L syn gut on my T-5 and put in a spin-friendly stringbed to give it a fair chance to compete.

cellofaan
08-19-2011, 06:54 AM
I remember you used to shorten your racquets. You extended your O3 and now this one too. (I think I missed the O3 thread if you made one)

Shortening it allows you to put more mass in the head. What is the reasoning behind extending the racquet?

travlerajm
08-21-2011, 10:39 PM
I remember you used to shorten your racquets. You extended your O3 and now this one too. (I think I missed the O3 thread if you made one)

Shortening it allows you to put more mass in the head. What is the reasoning behind extending the racquet?

Mainly, the only issue with a racquet being too short is lack of leverage on the serve.

Also, the O3 Red and T-5 have much longer heads than the Diablo mid and POG LB, so the center of the stringbed starts out closer to the hand. The center of the stringbed of my T-5 at 27.25" is about the same distance from the hand as the center of the stringbed on my 26.5" Diablo mid.

corners
08-22-2011, 06:32 AM
As an aside, I had fresh TNT 16g / Hyperion 16g @ 68 lbs in my leaded-up O3 Red, and it played amazing, with great bite, pinpoint control, and good pop. Supplanting my O3 Red as my primary stick will be a tall order.


What led you to try multi/copoly? Durability? Compared to gut/copoly?