Murray is finished...

[SStrikerR]

After losing easily to Kevin Anderson 6-3, 6-1 in Montreal, Murray is done. He has no mind, and a weak retriever game. He will drop out of the top 5 next year, and slowly slide from there. Will never win a major. Will never shave again.

Thoughts?

[tennis_pro]

I have to say I'm a bit surprised. Murray used to be so hard to beat on hard courts on the Masters level even a year ago.

[adidasman]

It's possible you're right. Not likely, though. He has much more than a "weak retriever game."

[wrxinsc]

Here come 75 different Murray threads. :|

here is one we can all feel good about *****ing in. http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=341150&page=19

[BreakPoint]

After losing easily to Kevin Anderson 6-3, 6-1 in Montreal, Murray is done. He has no mind, and a weak retriever game. He will drop out of the top 5 next year, and slowly slide from there. Will never win a major. Will never shave again.

Thoughts?
Hmmm...isn't that what people said after he lost in the 1st round to Donald Young in Indian Wells and then right afterwards in the 1st round to Alex Bogomolov in Miami earlier this year?

Then he makes the semis of Monte Carlo, Rome, French Open, and Wimbledon?

[jakemcclain32]

And he won exactly zero of those too.

[Kunohara]

Lol. The best part was when you said he will never shave again. You win.

[Clarky21]

Nah,he's far from done. I still make him one of the favorites along with Djokovic,Federer,and Delpo to win the USO this year.

[SStrikerR]

Hmmm...isn't that what people said after he lost in the 1st round to Donald Young in Indian Wells and then right afterwards in the 1st round to Alex Bogomolov in Miami earlier this year?

Then he makes the semis of Monte Carlo, Rome, French Open, and Wimbledon?

That was a slump. That's different. This is Murray being mentally and physically out of it, and he will not recover. He knows he can't do it, and the pressure is too much. He's done. Today's match was the final razor.

[Bud]

This definitely opens up a clear path to the final for Nadal ;)

- -

Anderson must have had a stupendous serving day... and Murray a bit off

[HiroProtagonist]

Well he was clean shaven and lost, so if he can he needs to grow an epic beard to intimidate the likes of KA.

Also; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFxWkUkUsQA
Psss that means I think your supposition is erroneous

[purple-n-gold]

Anderson must have had a stupendous serving day... and Murray a bit off[/QUOTE]


and that's all it takes at any level to get your butt handed to ya...

[Towser83]

This definitely opens up a clear path to the final for Nadal ;)

- -

Anderson must have had a stupendous serving day... and Murray a bit off


Yep he should make 6 masters finals in a row. This never seems to ahppen when Murray is in Novak's half... actually he never is in Novak's half haha.

[Bud]

Yep he should make 6 masters finals in a row. This never seems to ahppen when Murray is in Novak's half... actually he never is in Novak's half haha.

Be a treat to see a Nadal-Federer final in Montreal :)

[Boricua]

Anderson must have had a stupendous serving day... and Murray a bit off


and that's all it takes at any level to get your butt handed to ya...[/QUOTE]

I agree. Murray should recover, this is not the first time this happens with him. But, it makes you wonder.

[Sartorius]

Didn't see the match but reading reports of it, from Murray's vantage point this once again looks like an extremely disappointing result, regardless of Anderson's display. Apparently Murray was not effective at all in this match and scoreline confirms that.

But no, he's not finished.

[Bud]

Didn't see the match but reading reports of it, from Murray's vantage point this once again looks like an extremely disappointing result, regardless of Anderson's display. Apparently Murray was not effective at all in this match and scoreline confirms that.

But no, he's not finished.

He's just been really inconsistent this year

[banter]

Well he was clean shaven and lost, so if he can he needs to grow an epic beard to intimidate the likes of KA.


He's also balding:
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/7f/fullj.4121135d5824fc1f1f9059f904512bd4/4121135d5824fc1f1f9059f904512bd4-getty-120765105.jpg

He needs more hair.

[springthorpe777]

I think he needs a new coach, someone who will kick his arse a bit. He always looks happy when he is training which is strange as he seems such a miserable git on court.

[Amelie Mauresmo]

I am a bit surprised at how well Kevin Anderson played he was actually very aggressive, serving huge, and moving well for a man that is six foot eight. I watched the match and Anderson played a perfect match he made almost no mistakes and just hit first strike tennis. Anderson just overpowered Murray. Murray plays a counter punch type of game but that is not enough to beat the best players.

I have never really seen Anderson play but he has a very good game. Even though Anderson isn't the best mover for a man that tall he seems to have good movement. Murray got deflated after losing the first set. I am just not impressed with Murray and Jimmy Arias even said the top players are really Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and not Murray. I have said this before but I believe the problem for Murray is mental he is so immature kind of like Andy Roddick. Murray has more talent than Roddick but he also lacks the emotional intensity to become a champion. I think Murray should concentrate on hiring a psychologist he needs to get in touch with his feelings and emotions. I also think he should start writing a journal as well.

[SStrikerR]

He needs to put his hear-growing powers to his head, not his ugly beard.

[Bud]

He's also balding:
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/7f/fullj.4121135d5824fc1f1f9059f904512bd4/4121135d5824fc1f1f9059f904512bd4-getty-120765105.jpg

He needs more hair.

http://cdn.taylorgifts.com/images/products/p14152b.jpg

[springthorpe777]

Perhaps Agassi could sort out his game and his hair.

[banter]

He needs to put his hear-growing powers to his head, not his ugly beard.

But he played his best tennis (USO Semi-Final 08) with a scruffy beard.

[gregor.b]

It's possible you're right. Not likely, though. He has much more than a "weak retriever game."

He does have much more than a weak retriever game,but he has to decide to use it.What good is having the tools if you don't use them?He reminds me of a current version of Lleyton Hewitt but without the belief and "have a red hot go" attitude.

[Sartorius]

He does have much more than a weak retriever game,but he has to decide to use it.What good is having the tools if you don't use them?

Amen. From your fingertips on the keyboard to Andy Murray's ears.

[TTMR]

People say this after every one of his losses. He'll be fine.

[JoelDali]

Murray Loosed?

[norbac]

Murray is Finnish.

[SStrikerR]

But he played his best tennis (USO Semi-Final 08) with a scruffy beard.

And did he win the slam? No.

[Ben Hadd]

Murrays not done, he never even started. I still predict his first slam next year.

[norbac]

Murray is just unlucky to be in the same era as Rafa, Federer and the King.

And Kevin Anderson.

[Clarky21]

And Kevin Anderson.

And Donald Young.

[CCNM]

Sorry to hear that Andy M lost in the first round. I know that in the US some people say that if you don't win the Super Bowl (American football championship game), World Series (baseball championship), Stanley Cup (hockey championship) or NBA championship you're not worthy of being called a GOAT. Does the same rule apply to tennis?

[Mainad]

Murray is Finnish.

No, he's Scottish.

[gino]

Let's be real here..

Andy is a fantastic player who lost to another great player in Kevin Anderson. This loss by no means says that his game has gone down the tubes. The guy had a bad match up in the first round. Does that mean he's peaking right now? No.

However, it does mean that he is going to be more motivated in Cincinnati and prove that he is a force to be reckoned with on hard courts. I find it crazy that the title of this thread knocks Andy so heavily for losing a match to Anderson (who has a game essentially built for hard-court upsets).

Am I wrong here?

[SStrikerR]

Let's be real here..

Andy is a fantastic player.

Am I wrong here?

Yes, yes you are.

[Mainad]

After losing easily to Kevin Anderson 6-3, 6-1 in Montreal, Murray is done. He has no mind, and a weak retriever game. He will drop out of the top 5 next year, and slowly slide from there. Will never win a major. Will never shave again.

Thoughts?

Yeah yeah. Funny how his lack of mind and 'weak, retriever game' has netted him 17 titles and 3 Slam final appearances as well as multiple victories against the three top players. Last year at the Rogers Cup he beat Nadal and Federer en route to winning the title for the second year in a row. Now how did he manage that with no mind and a weak game,I wonder?

Sure, he had a bad day at the office. Didn't Del Potro have one too when he lost in straights to Gulbis in Washington last week? Did that mean the end of HIS career?

[West Coast Ace]

I'll play the Voice of Reason and offer: this is what happens when a guy has no huge weapon and comes off a fairly long layoff. Should have played LA.

[Mainad]

I have to say I'm a bit surprised. Murray used to be so hard to beat on hard courts on the Masters level even a year ago.

Since the AO, his hard court results have been terrible this year. This is his third straight loss in the opening match of a hard court Masters tournament. He seems to have forgotten how to play on what used to be his best surface. Since reaching the AO final, his best results have come on clay and grass this year (1 title and 3 semi-final appearances).

Hope he gets his HC mojo back in time for the USO!

[Mainad]

I am a bit surprised at how well Kevin Anderson played he was actually very aggressive, serving huge, and moving well for a man that is six foot eight. I watched the match and Anderson played a perfect match he made almost no mistakes and just hit first strike tennis. Anderson just overpowered Murray.

Be interesting to see how far Anderson gets in Montreal.


Murray plays a counter punch type of game but that is not enough to beat the best players.

So how do you suppose he beat Nadal and Federer back to back to win this title last year for the second time in a row?

[gino]

Yes, yes you are.

3 Slam Finals

8-6 Career Record against Roger Federer (The best player of all time?)

17 ATP Titles

26 Total ATP Finals

296-103 Match Record on the ATP Tour

.746 Winning Percentage on ATP Tour

What do you consider fantastic SStrikerR?

[Mainad]

3 Slam Finals

8-6 Career Record against Roger Federer (The best player of all time?)

17 ATP Titles

26 Total ATP Finals

296-103 Match Record on the ATP Tour

.746 Winning Percentage on ATP Tour

What do you consider fantastic SStrikerR?

Game,set and match! Thread closed. :)

[r2473]

Murray isn't done.

The Murray's are playing doubles together.

Easy oversight, so I forgive you

[DeShaun]

Murray is just unlucky to be in the same era as Rafa, Federer and the King.
What era do you believe Murray would have done better in, given the state of the game and prevailing technology then?

His mother seems very loving but also domineering. I would not be surprised if he were suffering from lack of individuation from her.

I son needs to stand up and tell his parents, "No, this is my life! I will do exactly as I see fit, not always as you have taught me." Witness his lack of emotional maturity whenever the going gets a little tough. That may be evidence of having been sheltered by a parent who could not let go.

His mom is ugly and mean-looking, in my opinion. I would not be surprised if she were the jealous, covetous type, always scheming with subtle emotional button-pushing in an effort to keep her little man under her thumb forever. She looks that creepy to me.

[Carsomyr]

Murray is Dunblane.

[SStrikerR]

3 Slam Finals

8-6 Career Record against Roger Federer (The best player of all time?)

17 ATP Titles

26 Total ATP Finals

296-103 Match Record on the ATP Tour

.746 Winning Percentage on ATP Tour

What do you consider fantastic SStrikerR?

6-3 Record over Andy Murray

5 Grand Slam Finals

3 Grand Slams

39 ATP Finals

26 ATP Titles

372–106 Match Record on the ATP tour

77.82% Win % on the ATP Tour

Davis Cup Victory

43 win streak

#1 Ranking

Did I mention he's a year younger?


See, I can pull numbers out too. And mine are better. I don't care what Murray did in the past, he's finished now.

[norbac]

6-3 Record over Andy Murray

5 Grand Slam Finals

3 Grand Slams

39 ATP Finals

26 ATP Titles

372–106 Match Record on the ATP tour

77.82% Win % on the ATP Tour

Davis Cup Victory

43 win streak

#1 Ranking

Did I mention he's a year younger?


See, I can pull numbers out too. And mine are better. I don't care what Murray did in the past, he's finished now.

Nole....is that you?

[SStrikerR]

Nole....is that you?

:)
10-0recordvsnadalsoon

[TripleB]

After losing easily to Kevin Anderson 6-3, 6-1 in Montreal, Murray is done. He has no mind, and a weak retriever game. He will drop out of the top 5 next year, and slowly slide from there. Will never win a major. Will never shave again.

Thoughts?

Sounds great to me. Can't stand the cry baby anyway!!!

TripleB

[BreakPoint]

And he won exactly zero of those too.
Um....I can count on exactly two fingers how many other people won any of those. :shock:

[SStrikerR]

I can't believe I forgot to mention his mom too. She looks like she's not getting anything, which would probably help her not be such a terrible, mean looking person.

[Towser83]

6-3 Record over Andy Murray

5 Grand Slam Finals

3 Grand Slams

39 ATP Finals

26 ATP Titles

372–106 Match Record on the ATP tour

77.82% Win % on the ATP Tour

Davis Cup Victory

43 win streak

#1 Ranking

Did I mention he's a year younger?


See, I can pull numbers out too. And mine are better. I don't care what Murray did in the past, he's finished now.

Actually he's a week younger than Murray. But I agree, he's a class above Murray and always has been.

[DMan]

The "Big Four".....if it ever really was 4, has now officially become the Big Three (Djokovic, Federer, Nadal).

Murray is done as an elite player, at least as far as someone to seriously consider as a contender for a major.

For now, he's lucky there is a huge drop off after the top 3 (Monfils #7 and Almagro #10 is all you need to know!). So Murray could still coast as a top 10'er for a year or two.

But stick a fork in him as far as major league contender. He's done!

[Bryan Swartz]

Right. Nothing says 'done as a contender' like making the semis of three straight majors(one final).

[Bud]

The bottom line is Murray is an underachiever for the amount of game he possesses.

[zagor]

His mom is ugly and mean-looking, in my opinion. I would not be surprised if she were the jealous, covetous type, always scheming with subtle emotional button-pushing in an effort to keep her little man under her thumb forever. She looks that creepy to me.

Eh? She doesn't strike me as that type of person at all, to each his own I guess.

The "Big Four".....if it ever really was 4, has now officially become the Big Three (Djokovic, Federer, Nadal).

Murray is done as an elite player, at least as far as someone to seriously consider as a contender for a major.

For now, he's lucky there is a huge drop off after the top 3 (Monfils #7 and Almagro #10 is all you need to know!). So Murray could still coast as a top 10'er for a year or two.

But stick a fork in him as far as major league contender. He's done!

Actually fact is Murray did better than Fed in slams this year so kinda hard to expel him out of a "slam contenders" group while leaving Fed in. Overall I'd say it's the big two right now with Fed and Murray as outside contenders with an edge to Fed because of Murray's poor performances in slam finals so far.

[DeShaun]

The bottom line is Murray is an underachiever for the amount of game he possesses.

I would agree in saying that Murray is the most athletically gifted in terms of hand and foot eye coordination which different than the sort of athletic gifts Monfils possesses. Yeah, as far as being naturally endowed for success at playing the racquet sports Murray seems to be the most physically gifted player on tour overall.

[Murrayfan31]

I wish my name was Djokovicfan31 instead. Murray has been a disappointment.

[SStrikerR]

Right. Nothing says 'done as a contender' like making the semis of three straight majors(one final).

He's better than most of the field, but won't ever beat the top 3 in a final. And guess what? They're the only ones who he'll have to face in them.

[Russeljones]

Yes, yes you are.

haha so true

[Paul Murphy]

Murray tries to explain away his loss to Anderson:

Andy Murray's US Open preparations started in sluggish fashion on Tuesday, with the off-form Scot crushed 6-3
6-1 by South African Kevin Anderson in his opening match at the ATP Montreal Masters.
Murray, the tournament's winner in 2009 and 2010, enjoyed a first-round bye but was then bundled out in 69 minutes in his second-round start.
Murray, who hasn't played in a tournament since his semi-final loss to Rafael Nadal at Wimbledon, didn't look comfortable in his return to competition.
The 24-year-old had hoped to kick-start his US Open countdown after several weeks of gruelling preparation in Miami.
He remained baffled by his failure to fire when it mattered against Anderson.
``I just felt very slow. The game seemed to be going so fast,'' he said.
``It's happened to me already once this year.
``I've trained really hard to get ready for the tournament. I've always played very well here.
``Today, I couldn't get anything going. I started both sets really, really badly which doesn't help against someone that serves like Kevin.
``I was down a break early. I didn't get anything going at all.''

Murray made mention of his break from competition, but didn't want to make excuses for his performance.
``It's normal to be a little bit, sort of like nervous and not play your best when you haven't played for four or five weeks,'' he said.
``But I hoped to be playing better than that, especially with the amount I've been practising.''

Source: AAP.

[gregor.b]

I would agree in saying that Murray is the most athletically gifted in terms of hand and foot eye coordination which different than the sort of athletic gifts Monfils possesses. Yeah, as far as being naturally endowed for success at playing the racquet sports Murray seems to be the most physically gifted player on tour overall.

All this may (or may not) be true,but when does the penny drop for him? A definition of futility is to do the same thing the same way and expect a different result. It ain't gonna happen unless he makes it so.

[Mainad]

He's better than most of the field, but won't ever beat the top 3 in a final.

I take it you're just talking about Slams again aren't you? I hope so because in Masters finals, he's beaten both Federer and Djokovic TWICE and Nadal once at a 500 event.

[gino]

6-3 Record over Andy Murray

5 Grand Slam Finals

3 Grand Slams

39 ATP Finals

26 ATP Titles

372–106 Match Record on the ATP tour

77.82% Win % on the ATP Tour

Davis Cup Victory

43 win streak

#1 Ranking

Did I mention he's a year younger?


See, I can pull numbers out too. And mine are better. I don't care what Murray did in the past, he's finished now.

What do your Djokovic numbers have anything to do with Murray's playing ability and talent.

He is a fantastic player, whether or not you want to admit it.

The reason I posted stats is to show that Murray is and always will be a great player.

Band wagon all you want on the Djokovic train, but tennis is a finicky sport with peaks and valleys. I respect everything Novak has done and he is an extraordinary talent - one of the games greats, however don't discredit Andy Murray when you can hardly stay on topic.

[gino]

The bottom line is Murray is an underachiever for the amount of game he possesses.

Couldn't agree more... Thanks for the post Bud

[Limpinhitter]

http://cdn.taylorgifts.com/images/products/p14152b.jpg

Seems it comes in semi-gloss there!

[CDestroyer]

I wouldn't say Murray is finished but that match he played against Anderson was woefully pathetic.

[SStrikerR]

What do your Djokovic numbers have anything to do with Murray's playing ability and talent.

He is a fantastic player, whether or not you want to admit it.

The reason I posted stats is to show that Murray is and always will be a great player.

Band wagon all you want on the Djokovic train, but tennis is a finicky sport with peaks and valleys. I respect everything Novak has done and he is an extraordinary talent - one of the games greats, however don't discredit Andy Murray when you can hardly stay on topic.

You asked me what I found to be spectacular. I told you what I find to be spectacular. I don't find Murray's accomplishments to be anything special. When you choke at the big moments, you aren't really anything special. Hey, I can play great in practice, but in tournaments I suck! Am I amazing too?
(Slams = tournaments, Masters = practice)

Man, you need to keep on topic and pay attention to what you're saying.


I think it's pretty cute that Nadal and Murray wanted to hang out this week.

[Feña14]

I guess del Potro and Nadal are finished too :)

[SLD76]

I guess del Potro and Nadal are finished too :)

hadnt you heard? they are hitching a ride with Murray to the tennis old folk's home.

[gino]

You asked me what I found to be spectacular. I told you what I find to be spectacular. I don't find Murray's accomplishments to be anything special. When you choke at the big moments, you aren't really anything special. Hey, I can play great in practice, but in tournaments I suck! Am I amazing too?
(Slams = tournaments, Masters = practice)

Man, you need to keep on topic and pay attention to what you're saying.


I think it's pretty cute that Nadal and Murray wanted to hang out this week.

Hah I'd love to see you win a Masters Tourney and call it practice.

One Masters title is a career defining moment, I think you are mistaking great tennis players for legends of the game. Murray may not have credentials of a legend, but I'd love to see him play you in a set of singles.

Goldy? Most likely.

[DMan]

Right. Nothing says 'done as a contender' like making the semis of three straight majors(one final).


"I'll take Losers for $100" Alex.

A: He continues to lose when it matters most in tennis' major events.

Q: "Who is Andy Murray!"

RIGHT YOU ARE. But that was wayyyyyyyyyy to easy!!!!!

[Feña14]

hadnt you heard? they are hitching a ride with Murray to the tennis old folk's home.

Haha! I don't know about the old folk's home, but I hear it's a nice ride down to Cincinnati, they'd have a fun trip.

[batz]

Maybe Murray is finished. Maybe he will be the first guy in the open era to lose his first 3 slam finals and finish his career slamless.

[batz]

He's better than most of the field, but won't ever beat the top 3 in a final. And guess what? They're the only ones who he'll have to face in them.

2 absolutist assertions, one of which is clearly infantile. OK - I'll bite - why can't Murray face someone other than the top 3 in a future slam final? In the last couple of years we've seen Del Potro, Berdych and Soderling play in slam finals.

[Homeboy Hotel]

Some top players loose in a less respected preparation Masters and everyone jumps the band wagon saying their careers are finished.

Everyone said Murray was finished after the AO - yet he put solid SF results in against top players, won Queens, SF of Wimbledon.

It's sheer opportunism. I would await till the US Open comes round and this thread will soon dissapear for a couple of weeks, only to re appear with recycled posts repeating the mantra that 'Murray is finished'

[tennis_fan_182]

The bottom line is Murray is an underachiever for the amount of game he possesses.

No, he's totally overachieved for the scarily lacking amount of talent (or lack thereof he has). Athletically AND in terms of touch and tennis flair.

I'm pretty sure that all of the top 100, let alone all of the top 3 could out-sprint, out-benchpress, out-vertical jump and out-marathon this weakling, and even someone like Djokovic has volleys and feel about 10x better.

Anyway, Murray will be out of the top 100 by the end of 2012 and will retire thereafter.

[batz]

No, he's totally overachieved for the scarily lacking amount of talent (or lack thereof he has). Athletically AND in terms of touch and tennis flair.

I'm pretty sure that all of the top 100, let alone all of the top 3 could out-sprint, out-benchpress, out-vertical jump and out-marathon this weakling, and even someone like Djokovic has volleys and feel about 10x better.

Anyway, Murray will be out of the top 100 by the end of 2012 and will retire thereafter.

Yay. It's Zero Credbility Man and his amazing predictions. You'll be amazed at how wrong just one man can be!

Credibility is like virginity - when it's gone, it's gone - and your credibility cherry is well and truly popped.

[stingstang]

Murray's got 3, 4 maybe even 5 years top 10 tennis left in him. He won't win a GS but that earns serious $$$. He won't have to work again after 30. Jokes on the haters.

[Hitman]

Murray is far from finished. In fact, this year, he has had his best Grand Slam season so far, making a final and two semis, on three different surfaces. He also had his best clay court season, and equalled his best grass season.

Yes, he lost early in Montreal, but I am not totally surprised when you have an extended layoff, while others are still playing on the tour. He came out cold, and lost. It does not mean it is the end of the world for him, he can regroup and Cincy is right around the corner. The goal for him is the US Open, if he wins that nothing else will matter.

I do believe he will need some luck with draw, but he has the talent to go all the way, and I think with his strength in Grand Slam play this year, he has gotten better in the best of five format. I will be cheering him all the way! :)

[Mainad]

No, he's totally overachieved for the scarily lacking amount of talent (or lack thereof he has). Athletically AND in terms of touch and tennis flair.

I'm pretty sure that all of the top 100, let alone all of the top 3 could out-sprint, out-benchpress, out-vertical jump and out-marathon this weakling, and even someone like Djokovic has volleys and feel about 10x better.

Anyway, Murray will be out of the top 100 by the end of 2012 and will retire thereafter.

Oh hello,I was wondering how long it would take for YOU to show up...lol! :)

Your theories and frankly weird obsession about Murray (do you fancy him or something?) are of course complete and utter crap as everybody on here well knows by now along with pretty much anything else you insist on posting. But I can't resist humouring you although I agree it's a very bad habit I swore not to keep repeating.

So how does this 'weakling' as you put it manage to beat the top guys and stay at no.4? You tell me? According to you I guess it must be sheer luck! But what are the odds of beating Federer 8 times out of 14 when you don't have any strength to hit the ball and can't run or win 17 titles beating the top players on multiple occasions when the vast majority of the top 100 players who,according to you, could outsprint and out-benchpress him any day, haven't even won one?? I would say there are better odds on you becoming the next Pope or of the Moon being made of green cheese!

I'm guessing you're English because only certain English posters have this weird obsession with hating and dissing Murray and it nearly always dates back to his remark about supporting anyone other than England in the last World Cup which was a jokey retort to Tim Henman's put-down of Scotland's World Cup chances. Grow up and get over it or,at any rate, try and grow up anyway! If you can't manage that (which I suspect you can't) then don't bother coming back until you do because you won't and indeed don't have anything sensible to say about anyone or anything to do with tennis!

[accidental]

i dont see murray staying in the top 5 once his movement starts to decline in about 3 or 4 years or so. his window to win a slam is closing all the time

[celoft]

Not looking good this year. Only won a 250 like Federer.

[batz]

Not looking good this year. Only won a 250 like Federer.

It's all about the slams. Only Novak and Rafa have a better record than Murray this year.

[Feña14]

It's all about the slams. Only Novak and Rafa have a better record than Murray this year.

It is yeah, I personally rate the Masters events quite highly though. You get the best players in the world at one tournament, if you're the last man standing at the end of a long week, you've achieved something pretty big imo.

It probably stems from watching Henman win in Paris back in 2003, when he beat Davydenko, Grosjean, Kuerten, Federer and Roddick on his way to the title. As a British tennis fan, that was probably my favourite week of watching the game.

[TopFH]

It is yeah, I personally rate the Masters events quite highly though. You get the best players in the world at one tournament, if you're the last man standing at the end of a long week, you've achieved something pretty big imo.

It probably stems from watching Henman win in Paris back in 2003, when he beat Davydenko, Grosjean, Kuerten, Federer and Roddick on his way to the title. As a British tennis fan, that was probably my favourite week of watching the game.

It's called World Tour Finals. Just the eight best tennis players in the world.

[batz]

It is yeah, I personally rate the Masters events quite highly though. You get the best players in the world at one tournament, if you're the last man standing at the end of a long week, you've achieved something pretty big imo.

It probably stems from watching Henman win in Paris back in 2003, when he beat Davydenko, Grosjean, Kuerten, Federer and Roddick on his way to the title. As a British tennis fan, that was probably my favourite week of watching the game.

I'm not meaning to 'diss' Masters events in any way. I should have been more specific - for Murray now, a good year isn't really measured by winning lots of titles - even Masters events; he's done that - a good year is measured by how well he does in slams - and so far, he is having by far his best ever season in slams.

[Feña14]

I'm not meaning to 'diss' Masters events in any way. I should have been more specific - for Murray now, a good year isn't really measured by winning lots of titles - even Masters events; he's done that - a good year is measured by how well he does in slams - and so far, he is having by far his best ever season in slams.

Yeah, you're right really. Most posters on here agree that the Masters events aren't really that important to the elite players, which is fair enough. I personally love to see Murray winning Masters events, I don't know what i'd do if he were to finally win a major :)

[Mainad]

I'm not meaning to 'diss' Masters events in any way. I should have been more specific - for Murray now, a good year isn't really measured by winning lots of titles - even Masters events; he's done that - a good year is measured by how well he does in slams - and so far, he is having by far his best ever season in slams.

I'm holding my breath and keeping my fingers crossed that he will complete a good run at the USO. Since reaching the final there in 2008, this is the one Slam that he has surprisingly had his worst results at. Plus his form on hard courts this year since the AO has been disastrous. So I'm really hoping that he will finally get his hard court act together by the time he hits New York!

[batz]

I'm holding my breath and keeping my fingers crossed that he will complete a good run at the USO. Since reaching the final there in 2008, this is the one Slam that he has surprisingly had his worst results at. Plus his form on hard courts this year since the AO has been disastrous. So I'm really hoping that he will finally get his hard court act together by the time he hits New York!

You and me both mate. I expect Fena, Fedex and Norbac all feel the same way too.

[World Beater]

LOL.

Murray is doing fine.

Yea. he had a bad loss...but it happens.

Nadal, fed and del po all lost this week.

Most top players in the 90s were not nearly as consistent as murray.

for murray its about playing his best when it matters...semis/finals of GS tournaments.

[prostaff junkie]

Another Englishman's view.........

Andy Murray's problems are in his head.........he is mentally weaker then the top 3 and thus hasn't been able to win a slam thus far. IMO it's really that simple. He needs to employ a head coach and not a tennis coach. His game will improve further, just like Djoker's has recently.

Oh, and another consideration is the fact that he's playing in an era when he has to play at either of 2 of the best players ever in the latter stages of most slams.

As for Murray being 'finished', not even close to it!

[SStrikerR]

Another Englishman's view.........

Andy Murray's problems are in his head.........he is mentally weaker then the top 3 and thus hasn't been able to win a slam thus far. IMO it's really that simple. He needs to employ a head coach and not a tennis coach. His game will improve further, just like Djoker's has recently.

Oh, and another consideration is the fact that he's playing in an era when he has to play at either of 2 of the best players ever in the latter stages of most slams.

As for Murray being 'finished', not even close to it!
That was ground breaking stuff you've concluded there. I'm glad someone managed to figure it out.

[prostaff junkie]

That was ground breaking stuff you've concluded there. I'm glad someone managed to figure it out.

Hey, chill out. There's no need for that. Just giving a view that a lot of people seem to share. Apologies for not agreeing with you.

OK, everyone all together........"Murray IS finished."

I'll leave you to your uninformed Murray hating. Small-minded tosser.

[syc23]

Only person who knows if Murray is finished is Murray himself. That said, all he needs is an attitude adjustment like Nole and that would do wonders for his grand slam chances.

[SStrikerR]

OK, everyone all together........"Murray IS finished."


That's the spirit.

[jaggy]

Right now id pick about 6 guys more likely than him to win the US Open. It doesnt mean he is finished though.

[Clarky21]

Right now id pick about 6 guys more likely than him to win the US Open. It doesnt mean he is finished though.

I wouldn't. I think he has a good shot and put him behind Djokovic and Federer to win it.

[TennisFan3]

I wouldn't. I think he has a good shot and put him behind Djokovic and Federer to win it.

I would say Djokovic, Federer, Delpo, Murray, Nadal in that order for the UsOpen..

[TennisFan3]

Oh and BTW.. Murray is NOT finished. FAR from it.

He has a LOT of talent, regardless of what some haters here insist.

His head will come together, sooner or later. Count on it..

[Clarky21]

Oh and BTW.. Murray is NOT finished. FAR from it.

He has a LOT of talent, regardless of what some haters here insist.

His head will come together, sooner or later. Count on it..

I agree. Murray need to get a good sports shrink and get his head on straight. He is good enough to win a slam,and I think he will do it sooner or later. Plus,he also has the ability to beat Djokovic,and should have won their Rome semi if not for his lousy mental strength.

[Clarky21]

I would say Djokovic, Federer, Delpo, Murray, Nadal in that order for the UsOpen..

Looks good to me except I would switch Delpo and Murray around.

[MurrayisBEAST]

And Kevin Anderson.

I could say Nadal is just unlucky to be in the same era as Ivan Dodig ;)

[MurrayisBEAST]

Just cause Murray gets upset twice means he's finished? No, he's not finished; Far from it. He's still young and he has a lot of talent. Just cause he lost doesn't mean he's done. God, I hate these threads where people say players are done just cause they have a bad beat!

[Sentinel]

You and me both mate. I expect Fena, Fedex and Norbac all feel the same way too.
Me too, Sirs.

[prostaff junkie]

Looks like Nadal and Federer are finished too.............:eek:

[gino]

Whoever started this thread needs to see a doctor.

Murray forces Djoker to retire after a set and a half of brutal tennis.

For all who say Murray is done look at the Cincy draw.

[prostaff junkie]

Could Djoker also be finished? LOL:)

[batz]

Murray is finished alright - finished winning Cincy without dropping a set.

[HiroProtagonist]

SuperkalifragilisticexpialaTHREADFAIL!

[SStrikerR]

Whoever started this thread needs to see a doctor.


Actually, whoever was stupid enough to take this thread seriously needs to see a doctor.

Also, I may point out that winning in Cincy has nothing to do with the original post. The OP says that he will drop out of the top 5 soon, will slide from there, and will never win a major. Winning Cincy is irrelevant.

The only thing I was wrong about is him never shaving again. That, I'm genuinely surprised about.

[prostaff junkie]

After losing easily to Kevin Anderson 6-3, 6-1 in Montreal, Murray is done.He has no mind, and a weak retriever game. He will drop out of the top 5 next year, and slowly slide from there. Will never win a major. Will never shave again.

Thoughts?

So, therefore, how does Murray losing in Montreal mean that he is "done"? That too must be irrelevant.

Nice climbdown there fella. Keep on backing up.:)

[SStrikerR]

So, therefore, how does Murray losing in Montreal mean that he is "done"? That too must be irrelevant.

Nice climbdown there fella. Keep on backing up.:)


Because that loss was the beginning of the decline, is that not obvious enough?

[FedExpress 333]

http://t2ak.roblox.com/e60d85280ca0fe7dbfe45c5aff8495c3

[prostaff junkie]

Because that loss was the beginning of the decline, is that not obvious enough?

Ummm, OK:confused:. Rather a short-lived decline then.

[cc0509]

Oh and BTW.. Murray is NOT finished. FAR from it.

He has a LOT of talent, regardless of what some haters here insist.

His head will come together, sooner or later. Count on it..

Agree. Also now is Murray's chance to really try and grab a slam with Federer and Nadal playing like garbage. I honestly hope Murray works his head out and can do it.

[winstonplum]

Muzza's going to win the USO. You heard it hear first. Book it.

[Bud]

Muzza's going to win the USO. You heard it hear first. Book it.

My prediction as well, last week prior to winning Cincy. I was laughed at :)

[MariaRafael]

I like hater threads reopened, and haters beaten in their own hostility. Next time you bury somebody, do an autopsy to make sure that the body is dead.

[gino]

So, therefore, how does Murray losing in Montreal mean that he is "done"? That too must be irrelevant.

Nice climbdown there fella. Keep on backing up.:)

Yes, keep backing up, stubborn ones are hard to break pro staff junkie..

[gino]

]Actually, whoever was stupid enough to take this thread seriously needs to see a doctor.[/B]

Also, I may point out that winning in Cincy has nothing to do with the original post. The OP says that he will drop out of the top 5 soon, will slide from there, and will never win a major. Winning Cincy is irrelevant.

The only thing I was wrong about is him never shaving again. That, I'm genuinely surprised about.

You're taking it pretty seriously... lighten up man, he's not dropping anywhere

[SStrikerR]

Ummm, OK:confused:. Rather a short-lived decline then.

It was a short revival.



Also, if the numerous "XXX is finished..." threads didn't tip you off that it's a joke...well, I guess I can't help any further.

[prostaff junkie]

It was all a joke? LOL.

Would still have been a joke if we'd all agreed with you?

If you can't accept people having a different point of view than yourself, don't bother asking for their "thoughts".

I look forward to your next joke.:)

[RF_fan]

As of now Murray is a solid top 4 player. He can pick up a lot of points at the US Open and even move to #3 by the end of the year.

[SStrikerR]

It was all a joke? LOL.

Would still have been a joke if we'd all agreed with you?

If you can't accept people having a different point of view than yourself, don't bother asking for their "thoughts".

I look forward to your next joke.:)


If you had all agreed, I probably would have left the thread as there would be no way to troll any of you anymore.

[Pacific3000]

Yeah, yeah but he's a ginger. Gingers fold like Belgian waffles in the big moments.

[prostaff junkie]

Yeah, yeah but he's a ginger. Gingers fold like Belgian waffles in the big moments.

Lol, words of wisdom there bud.:wink:

Who is the chic in your avatar?

[SStrikerR]

For the record, Murray is still finished.

[batz]

For the record, Murray is still finished.

And you would still appear to be a bawbag.

Credibility is like virginity - when it's gone, it's gone. You popped your credibility cherry with this thread. The fact that you proudly bumped your own epic fail just confirms how hard of thinking you are.

[tusharlovesrafa]

And you would still appear to be a bawbag.

Credibility is like virginity - when it's gone, it's gone. You popped your credibility cherry with this thread. The fact that you proudly bumped your own epic fail just confirms how hard of thinking you are.

lol.....10 virgins...

[jokinla]

I got so excited I almost ****ed myself thinking he lost in the first round, but he won, why the bump.

[Mainad]

For the record, Murray is still finished.

Dead right. He finished his match with Ito about half an hour ago!

[r2473]

For the record, Murray is still finished.

I'm sticking around in case there's an encore.

[Fedex]

Hmmm...isn't that what people said after he lost in the 1st round to Donald Young in Indian Wells and then right afterwards in the 1st round to Alex Bogomolov in Miami earlier this year?

Then he makes the semis of Monte Carlo, Rome, French Open, and Wimbledon?

And he won exactly zero of those too.

I take it you're a cup half empty man Jakey?

Hey I made it to the semis of four in a row of the top tournaments in the world.
You did better than 2 short of 6 billion people in the world BUT YOU DIDN'T DO BETTER THAN 6 BILLION PEOPLE IN THE WORLD SO YOU'RE A LOSER!!

[Cormorant]

Hey I made it to the semis of four in a row of the top tournaments in the world.
You did better than 2 short of 6 billion people in the world BUT YOU DIDN'T DO BETTER THAN 6 BILLION PEOPLE IN THE WORLD SO YOU'RE A LOSER!!

Surely you mean 7 billion?

[tusharlovesrafa]

Surely you mean 7 billion?

Credit to india and china..

[Sentinel]

Credit to india and china..
Have you learned multiplication, yet?

[tusharlovesrafa]

Have you learned multiplication, yet?

Is MUTIPLICATION the name of a new star on the horizon?

[Fedex]

Surely you mean 7 billion?

Yes over 7 billion now.
It's gone up one billion since the millenium!
We are seriously screwed:

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

One billion more people every 10 years.
Something's got to give.

[Rozroz]

Yes over 7 billion now.
It's gone up one billion since the millenium!
We are seriously screwed:

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

One billion more people every 10 years.
Something's got to give.

don't worry.
major earth disasters/middle east war is on the way.

[DeShaun]

Lendl's biggest challenge is retooling Murray's game around his weapons because Murray hasn't many as developed as, say, Rafa's intensity, Novak's balance and fitness, or Roger's caginess and stroke arsenal. Murray has perhaps the best set of wheels on tour but these he uses mainly for staying back and defending or counterpunching or playing cat and mouse slowly constricting the point like a boa when Murray should probably speed it up and impose his athleticism for cheaper points at some times.
This is Lendl's problem: he has in his stable one of the fittest but likely the most coordinated top pro at the peak age physically twenty-five or so but this "peak" pro in Lendl's charge does not seem to enjoy discomfort or the pain like Rafa nor does he have quite the array of strokes as Federer, or the fighting heart of a champion nor can he (or anybody) sustain what is arguably the greatest "average" work rate on court like Novak; no, instead we have a soft-batched momma's boy whose off-the-charts levels of hand-and foot-eye coordination are mattering very little- partly because nobody seems to have ever told Murray forcefully enough to STFU when he was whining about whatever while growing up, and so, he has grown accustomed to putting on negative, attention-seeking airs in competition that probably do not serve his greater cause but are so deep-rooted that Lendl must demolish this architecture before Andy surrenders because individuals who throw tantrums tend to "have to be right."

[Fedex]

don't worry.
major earth disasters/middle east war is on the way.

That's reassuring to know.

[Rjtennis]

Lendl's biggest challenge is retooling Murray's game around his weapons because Murray hasn't many as developed as, say, Rafa's intensity, Novak's balance and fitness, or Roger's caginess and stroke arsenal. Murray has perhaps the best set of wheels on tour but these he uses mainly for staying back and defending or counterpunching or playing cat and mouse slowly constricting the point like a boa when Murray should probably speed it up and impose his athleticism for cheaper points at some times.
This is Lendl's problem: he has in his stable one of the fittest but likely the most coordinated top pro at the peak age physically twenty-five or so but this "peak" pro in Lendl's charge does not seem to enjoy discomfort or the pain like Rafa nor does he have quite the array of strokes as Federer, or the fighting heart of a champion nor can he (or anybody) sustain what is arguably the greatest "average" work rate on court like Novak; no, instead we have a soft-batched momma's boy whose off-the-charts levels of hand-and foot-eye coordination are mattering very little- partly because nobody seems to have
ever told Murray forcefully enough to STFU when he was whining about whatever while growing up, and so, he has grown accustomed to putting on negative, attention-seeking airs in competition that probably do not serve his greater cause but are so deep-rooted that Lendl must demolish this
architecture before Andy surrenders because individuals who throw tantrums tend to "have to be right."

Very true, he doesnt seem to thrive in competition like other top players and he is so incredibly moody on the court. He can be playing great tennis, then just a few bad points can cause him to go off the deep end. His lack of fight in the GS finals he has played shows that mentally he just isnt there yet.

[prostaff junkie]

I think he's made it now.

Complete thread fail :twisted:

[Torres]

After losing easily to Kevin Anderson 6-3, 6-1 in Montreal, Murray is done. He has no mind, and a weak retriever game. He will drop out of the top 5 next year, and slowly slide from there. Will never win a major. Will never shave again.

Thoughts?

My only thoughts are.....ultimate thread fail.

[SStrikerR]

My only thoughts are.....ultimate thread fail.

My only thoughts are...parody threads can't fail.

[*Val*]

I think he's made it now.

Complete thread fail :twisted:

Haha +1

Never dismiss a consistent top 4 player. Ever!

[Sentinel]

Muzzer's finished winning slams. I predict Murray will NOT win another slam this year.

[syc23]

Muzzer's finished winning slams. I predict Murray will NOT win another slam this year.

You're right, he won't win another slam this year but he will in 2013.

Thread fail and suck it haters :D